Lucifer: The Sin Bin
December 11, 2017 8:37 PM - Season 3, Episode 10 - Subscribe
With the Sinnerman in custody, Lucifer is prepared to go to any length to get his devil face back. Meanwhile, Trixie is introduced to Charlotte and questions the relationship she has with her father.
Finally a decent twist to the show. I hope they have something good planned for Caine too; he must have manipulated the sinner man extensively for him to go to such lengths to be looked by Lucifer.
posted by Marticus at 12:56 AM on December 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Marticus at 12:56 AM on December 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
Huh. It's really too bad the episode was kinda weak in the first half. I mean yay, we figured out what was up with Pierce (odd that Ella has such a thing for him, though) and that bit was done nicely, but aside from the reveal I haven't been very impressed. Last season was a lot more interesting. Hopefully it'll pick up in the back side of the season now that the Sinnerman is dead.
It does seem like Pierce had some relationship with the Sinnerman when he was a kid, so there is still some room to salvage the whole thing.
posted by wierdo at 9:14 AM on December 13, 2017
It does seem like Pierce had some relationship with the Sinnerman when he was a kid, so there is still some room to salvage the whole thing.
posted by wierdo at 9:14 AM on December 13, 2017
I am curious if we'll find out why 'Sinnerman' was saying he wanted Lucifer to kill him. I mean, I don't think it will be like the comics where Cain and Abel reside in the Dreaming and Cain keeps re-murdering him. But if Cain was being at all truthful to Chloe in blaming him for his brother's murder, who was he, or who did Cain think he was? (Oh, I forgot about that photo of him as a kid. Yeah, I have no idea what this all means or where they're going with the plot. But I'm optimistic it will go somewhere good.)
posted by oh yeah! at 9:45 AM on December 13, 2017
posted by oh yeah! at 9:45 AM on December 13, 2017
Well, thanks autocorrect... that should have said *killed by Lucifer.
I have a vague half-formed thought that Caine wants Lucifer to kill a human to lose all his powers, maybe for revenge, or maybe something to do with trying to life Caine's curse.
posted by Marticus at 4:45 PM on December 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
I have a vague half-formed thought that Caine wants Lucifer to kill a human to lose all his powers, maybe for revenge, or maybe something to do with trying to life Caine's curse.
posted by Marticus at 4:45 PM on December 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
So it seems likely Cain blames Lucifer for Abel's murder and his own immortal punishment, as I'm sure Cain thinks that Lucifer tempted him to sin (or let loose sin on the world when he tempted Eve with the apple). So in a way the original "sinnerman" did kill his brother.
As for why Lucifer needed to kill the modern-day Sinnerman, I'm guessing the plan was what Maze alluded to: an angel (or the devil) isn't allowed to kill a human, and if that happens that would unleash God's wrath and/or destroy creation. At the very least, I would suspect, it would result in said angel (or devil) disappearing in a puff of smoke never to be seen or heard from again--giving Cain his revenge on Lucifer. I'm also guessing Cain wanted Lucifer to kill Sinnerman as some sort of symbolic "suicide" (which would likely make God's wrath even worse).
The stupidity of the first half was annoying (we have to break Sinnerman out of custody) and I would have been exceptionally annoyed if it hadn't been resolved in such a way that it was Cain forcing Lucifer's hand in the kidnapping as a part of his payback scheme.
I agree with everybody, so far, this season has been a letdown, but maybe now we've got the key antagonist in place (and out in the open) things will finally pick up.
posted by sardonyx at 7:48 PM on December 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
As for why Lucifer needed to kill the modern-day Sinnerman, I'm guessing the plan was what Maze alluded to: an angel (or the devil) isn't allowed to kill a human, and if that happens that would unleash God's wrath and/or destroy creation. At the very least, I would suspect, it would result in said angel (or devil) disappearing in a puff of smoke never to be seen or heard from again--giving Cain his revenge on Lucifer. I'm also guessing Cain wanted Lucifer to kill Sinnerman as some sort of symbolic "suicide" (which would likely make God's wrath even worse).
The stupidity of the first half was annoying (we have to break Sinnerman out of custody) and I would have been exceptionally annoyed if it hadn't been resolved in such a way that it was Cain forcing Lucifer's hand in the kidnapping as a part of his payback scheme.
I agree with everybody, so far, this season has been a letdown, but maybe now we've got the key antagonist in place (and out in the open) things will finally pick up.
posted by sardonyx at 7:48 PM on December 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
I feel like the retention of Tricia Helfer is kind of symbolic of where the show is at right now. They've got all these actors who they know can really do loads of great stuff, and the showrunners can't work out what the hell to do with them. So you get Helfer having to do loads of spadework to establish a different but not really character, because they know that she's funny and charming, but they permanently sent her character to another universe in the last season so...yeah.
I haven't hated the first half of this season, there have been plenty of things that I've enjoyed, and I'm not even down on it as a piece of fun entertainment, but I do feel like the show is currently letting its excellent cast down badly. However, I thought that the Cain reveal was a good twist, which sets things up to get interesting for the second half of the season.
It seems to me that many of this season's difficulties come from it being a longer run of episodes than the first, which felt really tight and satisfying at 13 As an example, Lesley-Ann Brandt is clearly having to fit it around other things in her schedule, which means that the "Maze is out of town on another bounty hunt" stuff is leaned on too heavily and her place in the show is undermined. If it had been a shorter season, that could have been significantly ameliorated without her having to turn down offers of other work that she richly deserves. Another example is that they could have strung out the "Chloe doesn't know Lucifer is the Devil" much more plausibly for a shorter, punchier season (not just because of the number of episodes but also because there would have been more momentum generally); I'm extremely tolerant of silly suspension of disbelief, but even I'm starting to get slightly annoyed with that particular Lois Lane-ism.
I'm still enjoying the performances though, many of which have actually gotten better and more nuanced as time has gone on. It's just the plotting that's the fly in the ointment.
posted by howfar at 10:38 AM on December 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
I haven't hated the first half of this season, there have been plenty of things that I've enjoyed, and I'm not even down on it as a piece of fun entertainment, but I do feel like the show is currently letting its excellent cast down badly. However, I thought that the Cain reveal was a good twist, which sets things up to get interesting for the second half of the season.
It seems to me that many of this season's difficulties come from it being a longer run of episodes than the first, which felt really tight and satisfying at 13 As an example, Lesley-Ann Brandt is clearly having to fit it around other things in her schedule, which means that the "Maze is out of town on another bounty hunt" stuff is leaned on too heavily and her place in the show is undermined. If it had been a shorter season, that could have been significantly ameliorated without her having to turn down offers of other work that she richly deserves. Another example is that they could have strung out the "Chloe doesn't know Lucifer is the Devil" much more plausibly for a shorter, punchier season (not just because of the number of episodes but also because there would have been more momentum generally); I'm extremely tolerant of silly suspension of disbelief, but even I'm starting to get slightly annoyed with that particular Lois Lane-ism.
I'm still enjoying the performances though, many of which have actually gotten better and more nuanced as time has gone on. It's just the plotting that's the fly in the ointment.
posted by howfar at 10:38 AM on December 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
It seems to me that many of this season's difficulties come from it being a longer run of episodes than the first, which felt really tight and satisfying at 13 As an example, Lesley-Ann Brandt is clearly having to fit it around other things in her schedule, which means that the "Maze is out of town on another bounty hunt" stuff is leaned on too heavily and her place in the show is undermined. If it had been a shorter season, that could have been significantly ameliorated without her having to turn down offers of other work that she richly deserves.
What other work has Brandt had to turn down because of Lucifer? As far as I know, the whole "out bounty-hunting" excuse for Maze's absence was their cover for Brandt's maternity leave, and the strange spacing is because of the order they chose to slip the 4 'filmed in S2 but not aired in S2' episodes into the S3 schedule. I think the baby was only 6 weeks old at Dragoncon back in September, and they were already several episodes into filming S3 then. She talked about the last big fight scene she was able to do in S2 before she had to pull back/start maternity leave, though I can't remember which one - maybe the one where she and Lucifer kicked the crap out of each other? Either way, it seems like she was out of commission for the hiatus and working her way back to fight-scene-fitness when the season started.
I do agree that the pacing hasn't been great for S3, but, I don't really mind it that much. I don't think they have the budget to include all of the recurring regulars in every episode, so I just kind of take it for granted that they're always going to be shuffling around different groupings of the ensemble most weeks and save the full-cast-team-ups for the finale.
posted by oh yeah! at 4:43 PM on December 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
What other work has Brandt had to turn down because of Lucifer? As far as I know, the whole "out bounty-hunting" excuse for Maze's absence was their cover for Brandt's maternity leave, and the strange spacing is because of the order they chose to slip the 4 'filmed in S2 but not aired in S2' episodes into the S3 schedule. I think the baby was only 6 weeks old at Dragoncon back in September, and they were already several episodes into filming S3 then. She talked about the last big fight scene she was able to do in S2 before she had to pull back/start maternity leave, though I can't remember which one - maybe the one where she and Lucifer kicked the crap out of each other? Either way, it seems like she was out of commission for the hiatus and working her way back to fight-scene-fitness when the season started.
I do agree that the pacing hasn't been great for S3, but, I don't really mind it that much. I don't think they have the budget to include all of the recurring regulars in every episode, so I just kind of take it for granted that they're always going to be shuffling around different groupings of the ensemble most weeks and save the full-cast-team-ups for the finale.
posted by oh yeah! at 4:43 PM on December 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
My misunderstanding! Although, again, I think it would have been easier to ameliorate with a shorter season. The urge to extend everything good out to an extent where budgets, showrunners, writers and actors are stretched beyond their capacity to produce the best content may be good business (especially for retention to subscription services maybe?) but it's often not great for the actual shows.
posted by howfar at 9:37 PM on December 14, 2017
posted by howfar at 9:37 PM on December 14, 2017
You're still absolutely right about Tricia Helfer. They painted themselves into a corner with her character and now they're trying to escape but they can't seem to find a good way out. And it's a shame because she really was a good fit with the rest of the cast in her previous incarnation, but now it's just painful to watch her struggle with the thin gruel they've given her to work with this season.
posted by sardonyx at 5:25 AM on December 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by sardonyx at 5:25 AM on December 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
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