Timeless: Mrs. Sherlock Holmes
April 30, 2018 5:37 AM - Season 2, Episode 7 - Subscribe
In the bustle of 1919 New York City, suffragette Alice Paul is framed for murder and the Time Team partners up with legendary female crime solver Grace Humiston--AKA "Mrs. Sherlock Holmes."
yeah I'm enjoying all the temporary alliances, but I wonder how that'll come back on Emma and the rest of Rittenhouse, if their prophet starts randomly killing people for disloyalty.
so is Jessica another sleeper agent??
posted by numaner at 12:35 PM on May 1, 2018
so is Jessica another sleeper agent??
posted by numaner at 12:35 PM on May 1, 2018
Apologies for what follows which is probably a more "shippy" view than many MeFites.... I am loving how articulate Lucy has been about her feelings this season and her character in general. She's really great as a person who would never have volunteered for these missions but in the situation she's been thrown into has been really resourceful and resilient under pressure (I loved loved loved the moment of her putting the paperclip into Wyatt's hand when he was arrested in the JFK episode and her and Flynn's deadpan "steal a car and some clothes" to Mason in the last episode). With Wyatt she clearly knew she had feelings but held back in the knowledge that he wasn't over Jessica. When they did finally get together she was open about how nervous she was and needing Wyatt to confirm that "had each other". When Jessica reappeared she did the "right thing", backed off and attempted to deal with her feelings as an adult but she's not pretending it's no big deal or hasn't hurt her. None of this should be that amazing but actually it's the kind of thing you almost never see in romantic plots and I hate the usual Shakespearian style drama that arises when people refuse to acknowledge their feelings and play games.
On a less shippy note I thought the examination of different women's attitudes to feminism was good. Mrs Hummiston who had no time for it because she'd managed to break out of the restrictions herself (but who did then accept Lucy's argument that it's important to take more vulnerable women along too). Emma who was keen enough on having the vote that she went against an organisation that she's otherwise 100% loyal to and who would kill her if they found out (but frustratingly didn't seem to see it as any kind of signal that she's aligned with a cause that is not only morally wrong but may well hurt her at some point...)
I liked Rufus's reaction to Jiya's prediction, and his reckless insistence that Flynn should "Flynn it up" was fantastic.
Emma and creepy grandad's "romance" seems the epitome of an inappropriate and imbalanced workplace relationship - he's not at all mentally stable and could give the order to have her killed if she upsets him, she may well be engaging because she sees it as a way up the organisation....
I don't think Jessica is necessarily knowingly a sleeper agent but her presence was obviously orchestrated by them and they may very well have more plans involving her.
posted by *becca* at 5:08 AM on May 2, 2018 [2 favorites]
On a less shippy note I thought the examination of different women's attitudes to feminism was good. Mrs Hummiston who had no time for it because she'd managed to break out of the restrictions herself (but who did then accept Lucy's argument that it's important to take more vulnerable women along too). Emma who was keen enough on having the vote that she went against an organisation that she's otherwise 100% loyal to and who would kill her if they found out (but frustratingly didn't seem to see it as any kind of signal that she's aligned with a cause that is not only morally wrong but may well hurt her at some point...)
I liked Rufus's reaction to Jiya's prediction, and his reckless insistence that Flynn should "Flynn it up" was fantastic.
Emma and creepy grandad's "romance" seems the epitome of an inappropriate and imbalanced workplace relationship - he's not at all mentally stable and could give the order to have her killed if she upsets him, she may well be engaging because she sees it as a way up the organisation....
I don't think Jessica is necessarily knowingly a sleeper agent but her presence was obviously orchestrated by them and they may very well have more plans involving her.
posted by *becca* at 5:08 AM on May 2, 2018 [2 favorites]
Also not sure if you are all aware that the Smithsonian Mag are recapping Timeless this season, giving historical background, noting where it's not quite right and (to my delight clearly shipping Lyatt). This week's article is here
It references an earlier article on Mrs Humiston who sounds like an absolutely astonishing individual
posted by *becca* at 8:38 AM on May 2, 2018 [4 favorites]
It references an earlier article on Mrs Humiston who sounds like an absolutely astonishing individual
posted by *becca* at 8:38 AM on May 2, 2018 [4 favorites]
*becca*
That's not too shippy at all--far from it.
Actually what I'm really enjoying about this show is the maturity level of the characters. Yes, it's a big, dumb, mixed-up time-travel show, but the characters are relatively smart, and emotionally mature. They deal with situations like adults.
There aren't enough shows like that on TV, and as much as I watch and enjoy (depending on the season) other dumb sci-fi shows (*cough* DCCW *cough*) the characters featured in them tend to react like high schoolers in bad soap operas whenever anything emotional comes up that doesn't involve hitting things.
posted by sardonyx at 7:33 AM on May 3, 2018 [2 favorites]
That's not too shippy at all--far from it.
Actually what I'm really enjoying about this show is the maturity level of the characters. Yes, it's a big, dumb, mixed-up time-travel show, but the characters are relatively smart, and emotionally mature. They deal with situations like adults.
There aren't enough shows like that on TV, and as much as I watch and enjoy (depending on the season) other dumb sci-fi shows (*cough* DCCW *cough*) the characters featured in them tend to react like high schoolers in bad soap operas whenever anything emotional comes up that doesn't involve hitting things.
posted by sardonyx at 7:33 AM on May 3, 2018 [2 favorites]
After watching Agents of SHIELD where Fitz, Simmons and YoYo have become convinced they can't die because they've seen evidence in the future of their survival and watching Flynn berate Rufus for being stupidly brave in the face of Jiya's visions, I'm much more enjoying Timeless' take on the perceived inability to die.
Let me tell you, after getting really annoyed at Fitz, Simmons and (especially inexplicably) YoYo for completely disregarding the possibility that they could still be brutally maimed without dying, having Flynn point out the possibility of a severe but non-fatal injury to Rufus immediately, made me very happy.
posted by mstokes650 at 8:43 PM on May 3, 2018 [2 favorites]
Let me tell you, after getting really annoyed at Fitz, Simmons and (especially inexplicably) YoYo for completely disregarding the possibility that they could still be brutally maimed without dying, having Flynn point out the possibility of a severe but non-fatal injury to Rufus immediately, made me very happy.
posted by mstokes650 at 8:43 PM on May 3, 2018 [2 favorites]
All of last season blends into the single day I watched it in and I was under the impression that Emma was also related to Lucy and her mom somehow, so imagine my time traveling incest horror when she started making out with creepy grandpa.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:43 AM on May 8, 2018
posted by poffin boffin at 9:43 AM on May 8, 2018
During the opening bit where we see the supposed unchanged history with Paul making her speech, my wife grumped (reasonably) that the word choice was pretty inclusive considering how not-great suffragettes were with regards to PoC. I nodded agreement and she said "that's some revisionist history right there."
I said well, it's a time travel show. Revisionist history is sort of the focal point.
posted by phearlez at 12:34 PM on May 8, 2018
I said well, it's a time travel show. Revisionist history is sort of the focal point.
posted by phearlez at 12:34 PM on May 8, 2018
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I still don't like the idea of a Lucy, Wyatt, Jessica triangle, but they seem to be handling the situation as adults, so that's another plus.
Watching the shifting and temporary alliances has also been interesting this season. It's nice when a show manages to get relatively smarter as opposed to passing around the stupid stick which is usually what happens after a good or strong start.
posted by sardonyx at 7:57 PM on April 30, 2018 [1 favorite]