Sleepy Hollow: The Weeping Lady
October 21, 2014 7:52 AM - Season 2, Episode 5 - Subscribe
On this episode of Sleepy Hollow: Ladies Love Cool Ichabod, things get wet, Hawley's merchandise isn't always up to snuff, and Katrina talks to birds.
I really like that they are moving Katrina into a gray area - it finally makes her a little interesting.
Tom Mison did a bang up job this episode with Ichabod's emotions.
I liked that when Abbie drowned, Ichabod was actually useless and she had to be revived by someone else. It was a realistic shortcoming on his part not knowing about resuscitation.
posted by Julnyes at 8:43 AM on October 21, 2014 [6 favorites]
Tom Mison did a bang up job this episode with Ichabod's emotions.
I liked that when Abbie drowned, Ichabod was actually useless and she had to be revived by someone else. It was a realistic shortcoming on his part not knowing about resuscitation.
posted by Julnyes at 8:43 AM on October 21, 2014 [6 favorites]
I am a little miffed that Caroline died. I would have loved for her to become an occasional background character. Her scenes were really entertaining.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 10:03 AM on October 21, 2014 [6 favorites]
posted by vibratory manner of working at 10:03 AM on October 21, 2014 [6 favorites]
My scattered thoughts:
I am a little sad that Caroline will not continue to be around in future episodes, because that stuff at the beginning was pretty great. (on preview, vibratory manner of working beat me to it)
And hey, Katrina did magic! Finally! Plus they added in "oh the house is totally warded, btw" as an explanation for why she hasn't been doing lots of magic already (if they had mentioned that before I totally didn't catch it...but I'm pretty sure this was the first mention). There's an interesting race on to see if she and Ichabod turn against each other first, or if Headless and Henry do. (I kind of expected to see Ichabod get to the river, only to see that he's too late to do anything but watch helplessly because Headless is already putting a smackdown on the weeping lady and saving Katrina; but the end result was similar. And I certainly don't hate that for once Katrina was actually able to use her own badass witchcraft to get herself out of trouble.)
It's finally starting to bug me a bit how Hawley went from nonexistent to omnipresent basically instantly. Like seriously, you can't even go to the library without bumping into the guy? He needs to at least occasionally not be around.
Also kind of wonder about the EMTs there. Must've been fun explaining to them that Abbie almost drowned, you know, in the middle of the library. Kind of wish we'd gotten a little bit of that.
Nothing with Irving, or the new police captain. At least we got a little smidgeon of Jenny, even if it came with a heaping spoonful of more Hawley.
posted by mstokes650 at 10:16 AM on October 21, 2014
I am a little sad that Caroline will not continue to be around in future episodes, because that stuff at the beginning was pretty great. (on preview, vibratory manner of working beat me to it)
And hey, Katrina did magic! Finally! Plus they added in "oh the house is totally warded, btw" as an explanation for why she hasn't been doing lots of magic already (if they had mentioned that before I totally didn't catch it...but I'm pretty sure this was the first mention). There's an interesting race on to see if she and Ichabod turn against each other first, or if Headless and Henry do. (I kind of expected to see Ichabod get to the river, only to see that he's too late to do anything but watch helplessly because Headless is already putting a smackdown on the weeping lady and saving Katrina; but the end result was similar. And I certainly don't hate that for once Katrina was actually able to use her own badass witchcraft to get herself out of trouble.)
It's finally starting to bug me a bit how Hawley went from nonexistent to omnipresent basically instantly. Like seriously, you can't even go to the library without bumping into the guy? He needs to at least occasionally not be around.
Also kind of wonder about the EMTs there. Must've been fun explaining to them that Abbie almost drowned, you know, in the middle of the library. Kind of wish we'd gotten a little bit of that.
Nothing with Irving, or the new police captain. At least we got a little smidgeon of Jenny, even if it came with a heaping spoonful of more Hawley.
posted by mstokes650 at 10:16 AM on October 21, 2014
I am a little miffed that Caroline died. I would have loved for her to become an occasional background character. Her scenes were really entertaining.
I instantly liked her character so I was definitely sad to see her killed off so quickly. Caroline was so sweet and it was nice to see Ichabod's relationship with the Colonial Re-enactors.
posted by Julnyes at 10:59 AM on October 21, 2014 [2 favorites]
I instantly liked her character so I was definitely sad to see her killed off so quickly. Caroline was so sweet and it was nice to see Ichabod's relationship with the Colonial Re-enactors.
posted by Julnyes at 10:59 AM on October 21, 2014 [2 favorites]
"Yay, the actress who was Jane Bennet from the Lizzie Bennet Diaries is back! Does this mean she'll be a recurring cast me-- oh no."
(Laura Spencer. And she's amazingly charming as Jane, for the record.)
posted by bettafish at 12:49 PM on October 21, 2014 [2 favorites]
(Laura Spencer. And she's amazingly charming as Jane, for the record.)
posted by bettafish at 12:49 PM on October 21, 2014 [2 favorites]
Also kind of wonder about the EMTs there. Must've been fun explaining to them that Abbie almost drowned, you know, in the middle of the library. Kind of wish we'd gotten a little bit of that.
I'm a librarian and was scoffing left and right at the portrayal of the Sleepy Hollow Library. There was 0 reaction to SHOTS FIRED IN THE LIBRARY let alone a librarian quietly following Crane around. Someone shows up with long hair and ratty old coat? You keep an eye on them. Then again, maybe there was no reaction because the place went from almost comically full (there were people poking around bound periodicals so maybe it was a 1980s OMNI Magazine Meetup?) to empty when the ghost arrived. Also, did you notice that the library had a bouncer?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:49 PM on October 21, 2014
I'm a librarian and was scoffing left and right at the portrayal of the Sleepy Hollow Library. There was 0 reaction to SHOTS FIRED IN THE LIBRARY let alone a librarian quietly following Crane around. Someone shows up with long hair and ratty old coat? You keep an eye on them. Then again, maybe there was no reaction because the place went from almost comically full (there were people poking around bound periodicals so maybe it was a 1980s OMNI Magazine Meetup?) to empty when the ghost arrived. Also, did you notice that the library had a bouncer?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:49 PM on October 21, 2014
Then again, maybe there was no reaction because the place went from almost comically full (there were people poking around bound periodicals so maybe it was a 1980s OMNI Magazine Meetup?) to empty when the ghost arrived.
Maybe there's just been so many monster-related-deaths and whatnot in Sleepy Hollow that the locals have developed that same kind of "oh, here's trouble, better disappear" instinct that townsfolk always demonstrate in spaghetti western towns when a shootout is about to go down. I mean if I lived in a town that had been plagued for - what, months now? a year? - by a headless horseman, I'd probably be more inclined to say "hmm I can always return my books later, it's only a tiny fine" at the first sign of spooky trouble in the library. The first sign probably being that weirdo with the long hair and the long coat who is so always caught up in the spooky trouble that the sheriff's department assigned a deputy (that nice Mills girl, poor dear, she must've drawn the short straw, or maybe they just figured she'd be good at handling crazies, you know what with the stories about her family) just to follow him around.
Now I'm going to be kind of hoping for shots that show regular locals in the background quietly-but-quickly making themselves scarce every time Ichabod's anywhere. Out for coffee? Place empties out. Walking down the sidewalk? Suddenly everybody immediately has to look at something inside the store they were just walking past. Shows up at a historical reenactment event? Suddenly everyone decides it looks like rain, better go home. No mention of this by Abby or Ichabod, of course - just too caught up in the impending apocalypse to notice or care - but just always there (or rather, not there) in the background.
posted by mstokes650 at 2:48 PM on October 21, 2014 [7 favorites]
Maybe there's just been so many monster-related-deaths and whatnot in Sleepy Hollow that the locals have developed that same kind of "oh, here's trouble, better disappear" instinct that townsfolk always demonstrate in spaghetti western towns when a shootout is about to go down. I mean if I lived in a town that had been plagued for - what, months now? a year? - by a headless horseman, I'd probably be more inclined to say "hmm I can always return my books later, it's only a tiny fine" at the first sign of spooky trouble in the library. The first sign probably being that weirdo with the long hair and the long coat who is so always caught up in the spooky trouble that the sheriff's department assigned a deputy (that nice Mills girl, poor dear, she must've drawn the short straw, or maybe they just figured she'd be good at handling crazies, you know what with the stories about her family) just to follow him around.
Now I'm going to be kind of hoping for shots that show regular locals in the background quietly-but-quickly making themselves scarce every time Ichabod's anywhere. Out for coffee? Place empties out. Walking down the sidewalk? Suddenly everybody immediately has to look at something inside the store they were just walking past. Shows up at a historical reenactment event? Suddenly everyone decides it looks like rain, better go home. No mention of this by Abby or Ichabod, of course - just too caught up in the impending apocalypse to notice or care - but just always there (or rather, not there) in the background.
posted by mstokes650 at 2:48 PM on October 21, 2014 [7 favorites]
There was 0 reaction to SHOTS FIRED IN THE LIBRARY
In the next cut we do see some people quietly and calmly leaving through the main door. Which, you know. But it's something.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 3:34 PM on October 21, 2014
In the next cut we do see some people quietly and calmly leaving through the main door. Which, you know. But it's something.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 3:34 PM on October 21, 2014
This is the episode where the Ichabod-Abbie shippers can resume getting their groove on, because while it probably won't go down quite so simply I think the endgame is that Crane is now done with Katrina. As his character has been developed, it's hard to see him being able to forgive and forget faking the note from Mary. (Interesting parallel with the note from Katrina in the same story. Is that trustworthy?) Also, the last scene hints that Katrina has genuinely softened at least a bit toward Abraham, realizing that his care for her may be as genuine as Ichabod's.
posted by localroger at 5:35 PM on October 21, 2014
posted by localroger at 5:35 PM on October 21, 2014
The "she totally tripped, 100% accident, absolutely guys" story is very believable and I am entirely sure that Miss Hellfire Shard didn't murder her.
Less Hawley, more Irving, more Jenny please.
posted by jeather at 5:46 PM on October 21, 2014 [3 favorites]
Less Hawley, more Irving, more Jenny please.
posted by jeather at 5:46 PM on October 21, 2014 [3 favorites]
Anyone else concerned that Hawley's non-mercenary interest in Abbie will make Jenny glow a little green-eyed before we're done with him?
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 7:30 PM on October 21, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 7:30 PM on October 21, 2014 [1 favorite]
Overall I thought this was pretty good as a monster of the week episode, and it was nice to see some plot advancement for Katrina (agreed that the Ichabbie endgame is a lot clearer now that some of Katrina's actual misdeeds are on the table). And I'm also sad that Caroline got killed off. She was adorable in her scenes with Ichabod; I would have loved to see more of her.
But the first thing I heard about the episode was that it was about a whitewashed version of La Llorona, and I can see how people had that impression, particularly after they failed to draw any solid cultural and mythological lines with the monster-of-the-week either this week or the last. I don't know what the writers' influences were, but if they were using southwestern myths and whitewashing them, bad cess on them. (And doubly so after the Mohawk episode last season, which was not so great in the stereotype department.) Even if it wasn't La Llorona, I didn't like the monster of the week being tied so closely to Ichabod and Katrina. I know he's supposed to be connected to everything, but it's getting a little ridiculous.
posted by immlass at 9:02 PM on October 21, 2014
But the first thing I heard about the episode was that it was about a whitewashed version of La Llorona, and I can see how people had that impression, particularly after they failed to draw any solid cultural and mythological lines with the monster-of-the-week either this week or the last. I don't know what the writers' influences were, but if they were using southwestern myths and whitewashing them, bad cess on them. (And doubly so after the Mohawk episode last season, which was not so great in the stereotype department.) Even if it wasn't La Llorona, I didn't like the monster of the week being tied so closely to Ichabod and Katrina. I know he's supposed to be connected to everything, but it's getting a little ridiculous.
posted by immlass at 9:02 PM on October 21, 2014
Anyone else concerned that Hawley's non-mercenary interest in Abbie will make Jenny glow a little green-eyed before we're done with him?
I am VERY worried about this, actually. I really like the eps where Abbie and Jenny work together and are badasses, I do not want a dumb dude to come between them and cause more friction. Can the writers seriously not think of something else for Jenny to be doing? Why is Ichabod allowed to investigate stuff, and not Jenny? (ok fine criminal record blah blah blah, but she knows stuff!)
Also why does EVERY case somehow involve Ichabod's past? Oh, this random ghost that's been around for 200 years is OF COURSE his ex girlfriend.
posted by leesh at 5:22 AM on October 22, 2014
I am VERY worried about this, actually. I really like the eps where Abbie and Jenny work together and are badasses, I do not want a dumb dude to come between them and cause more friction. Can the writers seriously not think of something else for Jenny to be doing? Why is Ichabod allowed to investigate stuff, and not Jenny? (ok fine criminal record blah blah blah, but she knows stuff!)
Also why does EVERY case somehow involve Ichabod's past? Oh, this random ghost that's been around for 200 years is OF COURSE his ex girlfriend.
posted by leesh at 5:22 AM on October 22, 2014
leesh, it wasn't a random ghost -- Henry brought her up specifically to mess with Katrina and Ichabod. "Surely there must be some sin here I can use...Ahhhh..."
posted by localroger at 12:36 PM on October 22, 2014
posted by localroger at 12:36 PM on October 22, 2014
Oh, I sort of forgot that part. But didn't they say she'd been seen for 200 years, but only now was murderous?
posted by leesh at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2014
posted by leesh at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2014
Presumably there are many ghosts, most not being very noticeable to most people or being directly related to Ichabod, but this one was selected and empowered specifically because of her connection to Crane. It's not coincidental at all.
posted by localroger at 4:58 AM on October 23, 2014
posted by localroger at 4:58 AM on October 23, 2014
Yeeeeeah, a whitewashed version of La Llorona was the low point for me, but that's my Mexican heritage talking.
posted by Kitteh at 6:45 AM on October 26, 2014
posted by Kitteh at 6:45 AM on October 26, 2014
Yeah, her ghost was present, but she wasn't made deadly and given form/power to act until Henry intervened. Speaking of which, as evil as Henry has been, I did feel bad for him weeping on the floor after the demon told him off for thinking. I wonder if there will be a theme of those who have given themselves over to Molach (sp?), who eventually end up regretting it in one form or another in the same manner that Cho's character. Will Katrina and Ichabod eventually win over Henry as his parents? Will Abraham be won over by Katrina?
As is, given Katrina's apparent "special status" as a host for a Shard of Hell, or whatever that was, I'm guessing that she's going to be turned evil as one more low point in the fight against the end of the world. I think the friction developed concerning Mary's death is not the first sign of a division between Crane and her. Their romance is for the centuries, literally.
I will say that I decided to start watching this episode at 1 in the morning and was sufficiently spooked by the weeping and green eyes to decide to stop prematurely and finish it in the safe, brightly lit confines of the gym this morning. I really adored the touch of the effect of light reflected off of water that surrounded the apparition when she appeared. I was also upset when they knocked off Caroline. She instantly a fun character and it was actually a tad frustrating that she was introduced to immediately be killed. I wish the writers had introduced her an episode or two sooner, rather than create a throw away friendship for Crane.
After being told that Katrina was a "powerful" witch who would make an awesome "ally" in the fight against evil, it was nice to see her actually use her power.
I'm also starting to assume the Wheel of Time ta'veren applies to Ichabod and Abbie and things just happen around them, connected to them.
posted by Atreides at 11:50 AM on October 26, 2014
As is, given Katrina's apparent "special status" as a host for a Shard of Hell, or whatever that was, I'm guessing that she's going to be turned evil as one more low point in the fight against the end of the world. I think the friction developed concerning Mary's death is not the first sign of a division between Crane and her. Their romance is for the centuries, literally.
I will say that I decided to start watching this episode at 1 in the morning and was sufficiently spooked by the weeping and green eyes to decide to stop prematurely and finish it in the safe, brightly lit confines of the gym this morning. I really adored the touch of the effect of light reflected off of water that surrounded the apparition when she appeared. I was also upset when they knocked off Caroline. She instantly a fun character and it was actually a tad frustrating that she was introduced to immediately be killed. I wish the writers had introduced her an episode or two sooner, rather than create a throw away friendship for Crane.
After being told that Katrina was a "powerful" witch who would make an awesome "ally" in the fight against evil, it was nice to see her actually use her power.
I'm also starting to assume the Wheel of Time ta'veren applies to Ichabod and Abbie and things just happen around them, connected to them.
posted by Atreides at 11:50 AM on October 26, 2014
It's funny, I didn't know much about La Llorona before this, and have definitely thought that weeping/wailing women spirits were common in UK folklore. But a quick google of UK weeping women ghosts turned up a lot of references to La Llorona - even on a website devoted to UK ghosts, which was funny. I possibly google-tainted myself by searching for La Llorona first. But am I correct in thinking that sad female ghosts are also a pretty common UK thing, particularly the "spurned by lover" variant? Is it primarily the "sad and then she drowns you" thing that made people think of La Llorona? She wasn't drowning children in Sleepy Hollow either, which seems to be a big part of her story.
posted by PussKillian at 7:42 AM on October 27, 2014
posted by PussKillian at 7:42 AM on October 27, 2014
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posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:27 AM on October 21, 2014 [2 favorites]