Scandal: Run
February 2, 2015 12:11 AM - Season 4, Episode 10 - Subscribe
Where did Oliva go while Jake was getting blankets and pillows.
I can't figure out what the point of the cellmate was. He learned two things from Olivia:
A) She wants to save everyone, which duh, anyone who has spent 5 minutes with her could tell you that, and
B) She has a relationship with the president. Which they already knew, which is why they kidnapped her.
So why the dramatic fake prison and duplicitous cellmate?
posted by donajo at 7:42 AM on February 2, 2015
A) She wants to save everyone, which duh, anyone who has spent 5 minutes with her could tell you that, and
B) She has a relationship with the president. Which they already knew, which is why they kidnapped her.
So why the dramatic fake prison and duplicitous cellmate?
posted by donajo at 7:42 AM on February 2, 2015
I am completely on board with Scott Foley running around in his underpants, though.
posted by donajo at 7:45 AM on February 2, 2015
posted by donajo at 7:45 AM on February 2, 2015
I think the idea was that she basically confirmed the nature of her relationship (reading between the lines of the whole 'the pres will stop at nothing to find me' speech). They know how much leverage in Olivia they have with the president now.
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:10 PM on February 2, 2015
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:10 PM on February 2, 2015
donajo: "I am completely on board with Scott Foley running around in his underpants, though."
Quoted for truth.
posted by Dr. Zira at 5:46 PM on February 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
Quoted for truth.
posted by Dr. Zira at 5:46 PM on February 2, 2015 [1 favorite]
Ugh. This episode made me so angry.
Yes, awesome how the kidnappers took her straight across the hall. Awesome how it all came from Olivia's POV. The final reveal of where she was took me by such surprise.
But she was SO helpless in this episode. Would she really have fallen into the trap of trusting her cell mate? (I knew he wasn't a real prisoner from the first moment.) Would she really have been dumb enough to try to open the window knowing she only had five minutes? And then trying the window again without even considering the possibility that they would have fixed it? I hope they bring back an Olivia who can do stuff.
posted by Night_owl at 6:03 PM on February 2, 2015
Yes, awesome how the kidnappers took her straight across the hall. Awesome how it all came from Olivia's POV. The final reveal of where she was took me by such surprise.
But she was SO helpless in this episode. Would she really have fallen into the trap of trusting her cell mate? (I knew he wasn't a real prisoner from the first moment.) Would she really have been dumb enough to try to open the window knowing she only had five minutes? And then trying the window again without even considering the possibility that they would have fixed it? I hope they bring back an Olivia who can do stuff.
posted by Night_owl at 6:03 PM on February 2, 2015
Well, Night-owl, on the one hand, anyone who watches as much TV as I do was shouting "don't do it now, do it next time, once you have the underwire at the ready and you have more time!" and two seconds after Ian appeared, I tweeted that he was obviously the 'boss' from the kidnapping. But in real life, a person who has been held captive is not likely to strategize that well, or assume that a fellow hostage is not REALLY a fellow hostage. What narrative good would come from Liv only making logical, cautious decisions?
[Insert issues with reality here. As my sister used to point out when I'd complain about Angel saying things that didn't seem to have internal character consistency, she roll her eyes. "You've got no problem with a 240 year-old vampire, just that you don't think THIS 240-year-old vampire would say something like that?" Word.]
Now what *I* want to know is, what good do you think will come of Liv hiding her ring partially under the neighbor lady's carpet? Her presence in the neighbor's apartment doesn't seem like it would be that much of a clue.
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 8:46 PM on February 2, 2015
[Insert issues with reality here. As my sister used to point out when I'd complain about Angel saying things that didn't seem to have internal character consistency, she roll her eyes. "You've got no problem with a 240 year-old vampire, just that you don't think THIS 240-year-old vampire would say something like that?" Word.]
Now what *I* want to know is, what good do you think will come of Liv hiding her ring partially under the neighbor lady's carpet? Her presence in the neighbor's apartment doesn't seem like it would be that much of a clue.
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 8:46 PM on February 2, 2015
My question was why did they bother to tie up her neighbor and go to the bother of keeping her hostage for a few hours if they were going to kill her anyway? Wouldn't it of just been one less thing to deal with? Watching the show the only thing my wife and I could come up with was it was meant to try and keep Olivia from causing too big a scene until they could get her out of there?
Be interesting to see where they go with the "President compromised by personal feeling for a kidnap victim" thing....and how it compares to when it happened on The West Wing.
posted by Captain_Science at 5:18 AM on February 3, 2015
Be interesting to see where they go with the "President compromised by personal feeling for a kidnap victim" thing....and how it compares to when it happened on The West Wing.
posted by Captain_Science at 5:18 AM on February 3, 2015
I still don't understand how people on the show will assume/know that Fitz and Olivia have a Relationship. If any of the president's inner circle were kidnapped, for example, his sometimes-campaign-consultant and occasional-press-secretary, wouldn't he do everything in his power to get that person back? Wouldn't the sometimes-consultant expect him to?
posted by donajo at 3:50 PM on February 3, 2015
posted by donajo at 3:50 PM on February 3, 2015
I didn't see the twist of the cellmate but totally thought that she's still in the US with fakery of prayer/lights.
Amazing to see her disheleved and not in the political scene but the "be ruthless" scene, but I kind of hope they don't stretch past another episode, two at most. I really love watching how fantastically bad-ass and kick-ass she is as a character. (Not to mention the power clothes, all the cream!)
On that note, I was thinking how of COURSE the moment she switches from white cashmere robes to a black cotton pyjama she's going to get kidnapped. With Olivia, kidnapping clothes will of course be perfect.
posted by olya at 4:55 PM on February 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
Amazing to see her disheleved and not in the political scene but the "be ruthless" scene, but I kind of hope they don't stretch past another episode, two at most. I really love watching how fantastically bad-ass and kick-ass she is as a character. (Not to mention the power clothes, all the cream!)
On that note, I was thinking how of COURSE the moment she switches from white cashmere robes to a black cotton pyjama she's going to get kidnapped. With Olivia, kidnapping clothes will of course be perfect.
posted by olya at 4:55 PM on February 3, 2015 [1 favorite]
anyone who watches as much TV as I do was shouting "don't do it now, do it next time, once you have the underwire at the ready and you have more time!"
Playing FPS games had me thinking the same thing, as well as 'take the pipe, take the gun, take the keys ... take HIS gun, no KEEP YOUR GUN! DAMMIT"
But in real life, a person who has been held captive is not likely to strategize that well, or assume that a fellow hostage is not REALLY a fellow hostage.
You think Daddy Pope invested in anti-kidnapping training? Or the Secret Service, when she got close to the President? Or Jake, when he became Command?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:11 PM on February 4, 2015
Playing FPS games had me thinking the same thing, as well as 'take the pipe, take the gun, take the keys ... take HIS gun, no KEEP YOUR GUN! DAMMIT"
But in real life, a person who has been held captive is not likely to strategize that well, or assume that a fellow hostage is not REALLY a fellow hostage.
You think Daddy Pope invested in anti-kidnapping training? Or the Secret Service, when she got close to the President? Or Jake, when he became Command?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:11 PM on February 4, 2015
From the AV Club review:
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:42 PM on February 4, 2015
That was a significant moment, and one we’ll be hearing more than one classic Shondaland monologue about before the season is out. I’m not sure Scandal is quite the same show now that Olivia has shot a man to death, but I’m not sure it matters.It was prefaced when Olivia pulled the trigger on Rowan.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:42 PM on February 4, 2015
I was giving this thought actually, and I think I can sometimes see the plot twists in Scandal coming because it is really obvious that those who created it and I grew up loving the same things.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:20 PM on February 13, 2015
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:20 PM on February 13, 2015
I feel like they switched the script from Scandal to Alias at some point and I'm not sure when. Momma Pope maybe.
posted by sadmadglad at 3:19 PM on October 4, 2015
posted by sadmadglad at 3:19 PM on October 4, 2015
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The "twist" of where Olivia was and who her cellmate was wasn't much of a surprise for a viewer, but Kerry Washington played it well enough that it worked within the show. Likewise I knew her neighbor wasn't going to make it, but her death meant something because of the reactions.
The other neat trickery (both in-universe: her being grabbed and taken just across the hall, the switch out of the cameras while Jake was downstairs and in-show-production, the episode being almost entirely from Olivia's perspective) was classic Scandal and Shonda rhimes.
Also, Scott Foley running around in his underpants.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 5:54 AM on February 2, 2015