Killjoys: Kiss Kiss Bye Bye
July 31, 2015 1:30 PM - Season 1, Episode 7 - Subscribe

The quest to uncover the mystery behind D'avin's missing memories leads the Killjoys to an underground black market and triggers a shocking incident that will haunt the team.
posted by rednikki (8 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
I'm so excited about this series now! This was even better than last episode, they moved through plot at an excellent clip, and continued characterizing the ship and the doctor. Spending time building plot for smaller characters means the show knows it has to keep building out, something I thought lost girl often struggled with.
posted by humans are superior! at 8:59 PM on July 31, 2015


"...and continued characterizing the ship and the doctor."

That was good. I didn't think this was as good as the previous episode, but it was better than those before it. I still found the first half of the show to be not so great -- there was a lot of exposition and cliched lines. But during the second half it did get better.

I couldn't quite catch what Dutch said at the end. She said she knew it wasn't really him, but then...? And am I right in that we got some kind of reveal about the Doctor? I've never quite followed what is going on with her, whether she's really who she says she is. She was released from jail immediately, even though the Company guy thought that although she had connections, it wouldn't be enough. So did we learn that she's actually somebody important?
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:49 AM on August 1, 2015


I agree with Ivan, not quite as good as last week's but still a very good episode. And considering I expected the Mystery of D'Avin's Brain to get strung along much longer, the fact that they've ripped through it pretty quickly is a promising sign that the writers are not afraid to move things along. Likewise with the not keeping unresolved sexual tension between Dutch and D'Avin a Thing for like two seasons, or even longer.

I couldn't quite catch what Dutch said at the end. She said she knew it wasn't really him, but then...?

I'm not 100% sure I heard it correctly but I think she said "but it was really me, and I can't be okay with that." which I took to mean she's feeling guilty/freaked out over how things played out.

And am I right in that we got some kind of reveal about the Doctor? I've never quite followed what is going on with her, whether she's really who she says she is. She was released from jail immediately, even though the Company guy thought that although she had connections, it wouldn't be enough. So did we learn that she's actually somebody important?

The impression we've been given so far is that Pawter's the black sheep of a very wealthy, powerful family (one of those Nine Families they talked about in the episode with the nuns?) but that she knows most people outside her family don't know she's a black sheep so she can still use her family name/connections to Get Shit Done. I was surprised to see her out of jail so fast, though - I don't know if that's supposed to indicate that:
-she's less of a black sheep than she has claimed
-she is a black sheep but even so, you can only jail someone from one those families for so long no matter how much the rest of their family doesn't like them (if they never mention it again, I think we have to assume this explanation)
-drugging a company guy and stealing info is just not that serious a crime, a night in the drunk tank is all it gets you
-she reluctantly called mom and dad in order to get out
-she cut some kind of shady deal with someone in order to get out (hey, if Dutch can do it...)
-some combination of the above (she cut a shady with deal with Mom and Dad?)
In any case I don't think they really gave us enough info about that to know for sure. If they never go back to her-getting-out-of-jail and explain it more I'll feel a little bit cheated. (One of the worst habits Lost Girl had was that tendency to introduce things that seem like they're going to be very significant in one episode and then just brush them aside completely in the next. I hope Killjoys does not do that.) As far as the medical ship at the end, I assumed that was just her cashing in her family name with some more folks who don't know that she's not that cozy with her family, don't think there was any particular reveal there, though it reconfirms that her family name is a crutch that she resorts to immediately whenever shit goes bad.

As for me, I have a lot of questions about Utopia that I hope we'll find out more about. If Pawter got her (incorrect) info about that patient of the "Dr Jaeger" on Utopia from the Company, I'd assume that indicates the Company knows about Utopia and allows it to exist anyways...so, why? I'm also curious about it being "invitation only" and how that works, and I really really wonder how there seem to be no consequences for just strolling in and robbing one of the merchants there. (Or maybe the consequences will become evident in the future.)
posted by mstokes650 at 7:51 AM on August 1, 2015


"I'm not 100% sure I heard it correctly but I think she said 'but it was really me, and I can't be okay with that.' which I took to mean she's feeling guilty/freaked out over how things played out."

That's what I thought, too, but ... she didn't anything bad except not let him kick her ass. She threatened to kill the doctor and then had her memory erased, which is not great but in keeping with things she's done before and not the sort of thing the show thinks is a big deal. And that's not what she was referring to, anyway. So the only thing it could be is that she kicked his ass. Which is nothing for her to be ashamed of, it was self-defense. And, also, I was disappointed in that whole scene up until the end because while he's an elite soldier, they've established from the firs episode that she's been trained her whole life in all sorts of unarmed combat. I was only okay with it when she said that she didn't want to hurt him, thus making it clear that she was operating at a severe disadvantage.

Anyway, I think that you're right about that line because the episode is constructed in such a way to lead up to her revealing to him that side of her that she's ashamed of -- they laid a lot of groundwork for it. And that was the pay-off. Except that she didn't actually do anything revealing. If she'd turned stone-cold killer under threat and had to stop herself at the last moment from killing him after he attacked her, the ending would have made sense. But that's not what happened. So I thought maybe I misunderstood that line.

Alternatively, she was just lying to him because she's uncomfortable being around a guy with a "kill your friends" switch in his brain. If that turns out to be the case, I'll be happy.

About Pawter -- I totally have the same impression as you do, but I've not completely been keeping track of her name and how other people have named her. So I thought that maybe she'd given the hospital ship a different name? I didn't watch it again to check. In the first episode she appeared, wasn't it the case that someone (D'Avin?) found out that she's not actually the person she's supposed to be -- that she's not Dr. Pawter? Or am I confused about that? What I had thought was that she's taken on Pawter's identity and either as herself or as Pawter she has oligarchical family connections. So I was thinking that maybe we'd gotten a reveal about who she really is. Because, as you say, the jail thing indicates something as it's not in accordance with what the company guy expected, even though he knew she had influence.

I agree about resolving the brain mystery so quickly and the UST, too. I'm also really hoping that what John says about how he feels about Dutch is 100% true -- that they're like siblings would make me so much happier than the damn cliched "nice guy has feelings for his female BFF" thing which, if there was any justice in the world, would be made a some sort of writer's felony that gets you sent to writer's prison, such as a third-rate screenwriting workshop held at an Applebee's.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 8:44 AM on August 1, 2015


I think, if I followed correctly, Dutch is forgiving D'Avin and damning herself more; not for the last couple of days, but for their history. For a little while in the episode, they were almost the same - Dutch and D'Avin killed people without cause, they were murders. It turns out that D'Avin has nothing to feel guilty about (not that he won't). It is awful what happened to him, but ultimately he is in no way responsible for his actions. Whereas Dutch is responsible for her actions in her mind (there wasn't mind control, however shitty and hopeless it seemed, she overrode her instincts and chose to murder, etc.). So, when D'Avin was saying "it wasn't me, I would never do that, etc.", she was agreeing that he never would (minus mind control), but that she would do that (murder without cause and is a threat to those closest to her) and has.

As for the doctor, it was a shepard in Firefly moment. The person gets desperate enough to embrace their power, which they normally try and run from. She seems like a very rich and powerful child, running away from that power until she needs it.

I liked this episode better than the last. It was a great, cool concept, well executed, but I really didn't feel like I got as much from the characters as I did in this episode, and, like y'all are saying they knocked out two of the "possibly stretch on forever" character points, which is always good.
posted by humans are superior! at 2:30 PM on August 1, 2015


Your explanation of Dutch's feelings make a lot of sense -- thanks!
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 11:31 PM on August 1, 2015


I took the it was really me to be more simple than that. While she knows Dapostrophe wasn't acting under his own will, she never the less experienced the man she'd just had sex with doing his best to kill her. In her own home. I know it's not your fault but man I need some time to get over this, beefcake. K?
posted by phearlez at 10:06 AM on August 3, 2015


Yeah, that really works. I felt like there was so much back story - and bonding over back story - that the ending would also be caught up in the the back story.
posted by humans are superior! at 6:39 PM on August 3, 2015


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