Twin Peaks: The Return, Part 13   First Watch 
August 6, 2017 6:20 PM - Season 3, Episode 13 - Subscribe

What story is that, Charlie? (description from Showtime)
posted by infinitewindow (111 comments total) 3 users marked this as a favorite
 
Just you ...
posted by maxsparber at 6:23 PM on August 6 [4 favorites]


when bad Cooper demanded a stack of cell phones

HE IS WHAT'S INSIDE THE CLOWN BOX

everybody's going to be so glad Audrey's confirmed to be in hell married to the Art Devil who threatens to write her out of the plot if he don't like her histrionics well enough, and so am I, very glad. but I am so much gladder that Ed is still basically a pile of deflated balloons and empty styrofoam containers from all our yesterdays' lonely dinners, wrapped up in a burlap sack named Misery and propped up to look like a man. god bless your commitment to yourself, Ed.

and god bless James Hurley. words I would have sworn I would never ever say even with a gun to my head in an arm-wrestling contest. Twin Peaks hasn't made me laugh that hard since the first time he sang that song. it was beautiful.
posted by queenofbithynia at 6:28 PM on August 6 [14 favorites]


Some folks on Twitter were talking about how people "just didn't get" that Lynch was, for some reason, deliberately pissing viewers off last week, and I didn't really buy it...but when you blaze through an all-action hour like that and hit one brick wall in the form of the Roadhouse, and a second brick wall in the form of "The Roadhouse is proud to present...James Hurley," well, shit. I had to laugh. Well-played, show, I figure.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:30 PM on August 6 [3 favorites]


I never knew I needed a gang that was dead serious about arm wrestling based organizational hierarchy in my Twin Peaks but I definitely needed it.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:31 PM on August 6 [13 favorites]


After this week's wish-fulfillment in Vegas, I'm seriously dreading what happens when Coop comes out of his fugue.
posted by infinitewindow at 6:32 PM on August 6


When Nadine was like "I AM YOUR LOYAL FOOTSOLDIER DOCTOR AMP" I really wanted that to be the beginning of Jacoby-as-Hubbard starting his own cult, but I suppose we don't have time left in the season for that. Dr. Jacoby seems like a guy that's one chance opportunity away from going full L. Ron.

Was that Battling Bud Mullins in the fight in the terrifying looping Sarah Palmer scene?

Something is super not right about Audrey's situation. "Are you gonna stop playing games or am I gonna have to end your story too?", Audrey saying the situation is "like Ghostwood". Ghostwood was just a development project her father failed to complete when we last left her, unless there were further Ghostwood development hijinks after her coma that really frustrated her, something's going on.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:41 PM on August 6 [5 favorites]


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the speculation that Audrey is still trapped in a coma dream was correct.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:44 PM on August 6 [4 favorites]


also Sarah Palmer's time loop television scared me more than arm wrestling. although I was mainly scared re: arm wrestling that other Cooper would "squeeze his hand off" as other other Cooper was directed to do that time, just because of coincidences or something and because it would have been horrifying. also, other Cooper has corpsehand now and I don't care for it.

anyway, was that a famous fight one should recognize? or was it made for the show? just because "right hand catchs the big guy by the ear and he finally goes down" starts to sound all portentous like "the horse is the white of the eye and darkness within" if you listen to an alcoholic time loop of it enough times in a row.
posted by queenofbithynia at 6:44 PM on August 6 [4 favorites]


Also, wow, a lot going on this episode because I almost forgot that we got more explanation of how the Owl Cave Ring works! It pulled Ray's soul and/or a copy of his body right into the Lodge with it when it faded away! Interesting... it certainly fills in a bit of a blank with the whole Dougie swap, that's the mechanism for him being pulled in. And Ray was supposed to put it on Cooplicate, which would have pulled him in, too.

And, before, the going theory with FWWM was that the ring "wedded" the wearer to MIKE or the Lodge or whatever, and that it marked Laura as off limits for BOB to possess and that's why he killed her, but there was no indication that it would pull people into the Lodge in some way. Some interesting implications for Laura's state of being. And for Chet Desmond's fate.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:52 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


The way the arm wrestling sequence was filmed, with the crowd around screaming and reacting, looked like something I'd seen in a depression era B-movie before.
posted by hippybear at 7:21 PM on August 6


and besides the TV fight loop, bad Cooper fucking around with the arm wrestling was a loop of sorts in itself ("starting positions," insisting that not only he but also his opponent feel more comfortable back where it all began) -- and almost everybody 25 years on is the same as they always were only more so. just like real people. except only Audrey is enraged about it and her efforts to move/change/awaken/leave are met with threats and terrifyingly vague undercurrents of something or other. but that's also exactly the same as 25 years ago, in its own way.

and almost everybody else is just a sad resigned sack about it, except for Albert and Gordon because exactly the same as they were 25 years ago only more so is actually a fantastic way to be, for the most part, why would they feel badly about it.

and it is all sort of cruel but not mean, if you know what I mean, because being the same as they used to be means almost everybody still loves who and what they loved 25 years ago, with a few exceptions. even James, that complete idiot. he loves being cool. all that wasted faithful love is very noble and tragic and I like it.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:27 PM on August 6 [2 favorites]


SZYMONS
posted by hippybear at 7:34 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


Is it Ghostwood here?

Is that what Audrey asks?
posted by hippybear at 7:58 PM on August 6


So, I've been playing Resident Evil 7 (stay with me), which is a comedy game disguised as a horror game. You're in Louisiana after your wife, who has been missing three years, sends you an email to come get her. It's presented as horror -- thunder and lightning and decrepit mansions, wet basements, rotting food, claustrophobia, creepy VHS tapes -- but it's actually comedy: your hand just got chainsawed off! immortal hillbilly cannibals! Hilarious creepy wheelchair grandma!

Twin Peaks in a way strikes me as a show that's presented as, or acts as if it's pretending to be, a comedy -- super secret arm wrestling gang! horny wife! gangsters! poison! mentally blank man runs into glass doors! -- but it actually a horror story about losing control, about time passing and becoming unrecognizable, about supernatural goodness completely incapable in the face of evil.
posted by Rinku at 8:00 PM on August 6 [6 favorites]


hippybear I think she declares that it feels like Ghostwood here. But I could be misremembering. I am rewatching right now.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:08 PM on August 6


My exact reaction when the MC said "...James Hurley!":

OH HELL NO.
JAMES HURLEY HAS NEVER BEEN COOL.
STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIM COOL
YEAH HIS SINGING MAKES ME CRY TOO, LADY.
IT'S SO BAD.
THE SONG IS SO BAD.
I HATED THIS THE FIRST TIME AND I JUST HAD TO LIVE THROUGH IT AGAIN.
AND IT WASN'T EVEN THE END.

STOP. HURLEY TIME.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:11 PM on August 6 [6 favorites]


Woah, just saw a video of the end of the episode where Ed's reflection in the Gas Farm front window glitches. Like, in a way that would have to be intentional compositing of shots. I've been kinda mildly discounting the time shenanigans theories, the thing back in episode 7 (I think) where the positions of people change between cuts in the RR just seemed like sloppy continuity to me, but this episode had a few little things like that too - the Ed reflection glitch, the Sarah Palmer scene, and the thing Bobby says about finding the cylinder from his dad that day, when we just saw him dealing with that kid shooting into the RR at night so a day should have passed since then... might actually be something weird going on there.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:12 PM on August 6 [3 favorites]


Everything else about the episode was brilliant though. The music at the beginning, the random appearance of Richie -- just in time to watch his daddy kill someone, BIG ED, cherry pie healing all wounds, the establishing shot helpfully labeled WESTERN MONTANA right before they switched to California Doubling (that trick NEVER works!). I missed Gordon, but...Big Ed.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:13 PM on August 6


Ghostwood is also the name of the forest surrounding Twin Peaks, where the entrance to the Black Lodge is located. So Audrey may have been talking about that.

I laughed so hard when James appeared! And then he sang that same goofy, interminable song from Season 2, and in the same high singing voice! I found this to be the funniest joke of the new season so far.

Does anyone know what that piece of paper that Ed was burning at the end was?
posted by One Second Before Awakening at 8:14 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


might actually be something weird going on there.

Oh, you're new to Twin Peaks! Welcome!
posted by hippybear at 8:14 PM on August 6 [3 favorites]


I thought it was the receipt he got from the diner? But that's based on not much.
posted by hippybear at 8:15 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


Did he actually say he found the cylinder or just some stuff his dad left?

Also I really need to go back and watch with an eye for glitches because I rarely notice them. Maybe if I take an Adderall first so I can concentrate.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:15 PM on August 6


Also I really need to go back and watch with an eye for glitches because I rarely notice them. Maybe if I take an Adderall first so I can concentrate.

I would probably assume any glitches were my Blu-ray player acting up again, so any kind of Moffaty deep nerdery about time slips or whatever is just lost on me, I'm afraid.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:25 PM on August 6


DEREK MEARS WOO

I thought there was something familiar about him and not until the credits did I remember where I'd seen him before: he used to do a fair amount of Channel 101 stuff.
posted by kenko at 8:26 PM on August 6


- the unreal child floating through the gym set in neon twilight to the looping Swan Lake motif

- "You didn't kill him very good, Ray!" but he didn't sound all that mad, more like as if killing a guy is like trying to start a car, sometimes it catches and sometimes it doesn't. arm wrestle gangsters are more understanding of that kind of mistake than regular gangsters.

- cop explaining that he told Mom they'd have dinner as long as there were no murders that weekend and then having a giggle fit at the idea of no murders that weekend

- Sarah's television preference isn't just violence, it's particular violence. there was the wild beast tearing apart the antelope-gazelle out of appetite and instinct, and now the man hitting the other man in the ear for money. it's all we see her watch, but it's like she's trying to abstract bloodlust into a pure, comprehensible form for herself. pure in that none of it (yet) is performed on women or out of wickedness, instead it is all animals and men, hunger and survival, nature and profit: mindless violence in contrast to the mindful kind she had up close. a fascination she indulges in all the time but with such boundaries.
posted by queenofbithynia at 8:28 PM on August 6 [4 favorites]


Uh so did Laura Palmer's face float ethereally through the opening clouds before and I just didn't notice, or what?
posted by kenko at 8:29 PM on August 6


Yeah, she's been there the whole time.
posted by codacorolla at 8:31 PM on August 6


Oh, you're new to Twin Peaks! Welcome!

Not, like, general weird, but weird for Twin Peaks weird. Phillip Jeffries taking a little jaunt through time after a traumatic Lodge experience is one thing, but this would be the whole town of Twin Peaks and all the storylines we've seen in the town so far this season being on unsure chronological footing. Which could work in a Lynchian Dream Logic tone where time is fucky but that's just kinda weird background noise to subvert the soap opera, but I worry about it being more of a Twilight Zone style twist that we get too deep into the mechanics of, so hopefully if that is where it's going it sticks to the former.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:31 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


Yes, there was Laura's face.

The thing about Sarah's television is, well, I've spent two or three days in an alcohol haze and does she even know that it's looping on her? I doubt it. It's just a thing that is on. It's not her choice of viewing with any meaning for her. She doesn't know it's even repeating.
posted by hippybear at 8:32 PM on August 6


Yeah, she's been there the whole time.

I feel exceptionally observant right now.
posted by kenko at 8:38 PM on August 6


I feel exceptionally observant right now.

Speaking of...has Sheryl Lee been credited as Laura Palmer in every episode? Because she was in the credits of this one and she didn't appear...?
posted by elsietheeel at 8:40 PM on August 6


How did the music box that Serena Joy gave Offred end up in this show?
posted by dfan at 8:41 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


It's just a thing that is on. It's not her choice of viewing with any meaning for her.

but but if you just bang a vodka bottle on a remote control and let luck dial you up a channel, you get nothing but HGTV and Law and Order SVU reruns and Jackson Galaxy showing his beard to somebody's cat. the timestreams would have to be even more jumbled than they seem to be in order for Twin Peaks to be out of joint with all that.
posted by queenofbithynia at 8:41 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


Some more chronological fuckery: Episode 11 ended with Dougie in the restaurant with the mobsters, and episode 13 began with Dougie returning to the office with the mobsters. How was he home playing catch with his son in episode 12?
posted by One Second Before Awakening at 8:43 PM on August 6 [9 favorites]


So the arm wrestly guys, do they need to have a whole arm wrestling tournament now to decide who's boss, with like brackets and seeds and stuff? I imagine it could get complicated.
posted by speicus at 8:43 PM on August 6 [2 favorites]


has Sheryl Lee been credited as Laura Palmer in every episode?

Yep.
posted by kenko at 8:46 PM on August 6


Yep, Sheryl Lee has been in the credits of every episode as Laura.

One thing about Laura's face during the opening credits, every time I see it with the little glory in the mist that passes over her face, it reminds me of the blown-out eye socket on Ruth Davenport and Phyllis Hastings, it passes right over her eye and we've seen the imagery twice in the show. Just seems like a subtle little bit of death symbolism, made of a rainbow and a prom queen's photo - excellent work by Lynch if it's intentional.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:46 PM on August 6 [3 favorites]


Okay, so Bobby didn't say that they found the capsule but he did say WE found some stuff of my dad's and we don't know what it means. So yeah...it feels like there's some time issues.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:46 PM on August 6


it reminds me of the blown-out eye socket on Ruth Davenport and Phyllis Hastings, it passes right over her eye and we've seen the imagery twice in the show. Just seems like a subtle little bit of death symbolism, made of a rainbow and a prom queen's photo - excellent work by Lynch if it's intentional.

I've always thought that too and figured it was intentional. Ruth and Phyllis were both shot in the left eye and the lens flare is over Laura's right eye. I think?
posted by elsietheeel at 8:48 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


I really wonder what motivated Ray to tell Boop about the ring in the first place. Did he think he was getting out of that alive?
posted by kenko at 8:49 PM on August 6


No, he knew he was going to die, so why not confess? He has nothing to gain by keeping his secrets, and obviously his secrets got HIM killed, so why not take revenge on those who set him up by telling all he knows?
posted by hippybear at 8:50 PM on August 6


Some more chronological fuckery: Episode 11 ended with Dougie in the restaurant with the mobsters, and episode 13 began with Dougie returning to the office with the mobsters. How was he home playing catch with his son in episode 12?

There's also Hawk's late night trip out to Glastonbury Grove by flashlight from waaay back at the start of the season - he hasn't mentioned that since, not even to Margaret, and it seems like it should be part of the trip to Jack Rabbit's Palace.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:53 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


Audrey saying the situation is "like Ghostwood". Ghostwood was just a development project her father failed to complete when we last left her, unless there were further Ghostwood development hijinks after her coma that really frustrated her, something's going on.

Ghostwood was the development project that Audrey was protesting when she chained herself to the bank.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 9:04 PM on August 6 [2 favorites]


I really wonder what motivated Ray to tell Boop about the ring in the first place. Did he think he was getting out of that alive?

Evil Cooper implies torture right at the start of the interrogation. Plus, I'm sure that if you've been around him for a decent amount of time, you take that implication seriously. A bullet through the brain is probably a good deal in that situation.
posted by codacorolla at 9:45 PM on August 6


Audrey's scene this week straight up had me in tears. By the end of S2 I really loved her, especially after Coop's confirmation that Denise was an FBI agent made her light up in a way that suggested she could be one too, plus of course the bank protest. Whether it's a coma dream or not, the way she is hurt and lost now speaks to all the betrayals and losses she has suffered. I still think it highly likely that DoppelCoop raped and impregnated her, and whether she's cognizant of that fact or not (i.e., if she's been comatose all these years) that assault betrays her trust of him and shatters any faith/esteem she might have had for the FBI. And suffering the explosion while trying to take a stand for what she believed was right was an attack on her ideals and possibly also on her ability to qualify for the FBI. Whether she's awake or not in those scenes, her shift to cynicism and nihilism rings heartbreakingly true: She still wants to have faith, but the traumas she's endured challenge the very value of any kind of faith.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 10:55 PM on August 6 [1 favorite]


I'm starting to suspect that Charles Husband is not, in fact, Audrey's husband, but her psychiatrist.
posted by flabdablet at 11:06 PM on August 6


Oh, and that was some magnificent eyebrows work from Sherilyn Fenn.

One other thing: can anybody be bothered cross-checking the 7663 tattoo from the Together In Love sequence with any tattoos that have turned up elsewhere?
posted by flabdablet at 11:13 PM on August 6


it's a bad idea to marry a Husband but a terrible idea to contractually commit yourself to a Psychiatrist. hope Audrey at least kept the Horne name. a bad one, but her own.

I read somewhere that the 7663 tattoo was the actress's own and not applied for show purposes. but july 6 1963 was the date when the Catholic church decreed that cremation is ok because destroying a body does not, in fact, destroy the soul and that is not dead which can eternal lie in the black lodge, or wherever, because god can reanimate anything he pleases. that is not relevant to anything and definitely not a secret clue. but it damn well would be if I were a professional Twin Peaks tattoo writer.
posted by queenofbithynia at 11:25 PM on August 6 [3 favorites]


This was a spectacular episode. All the drifting narratives are starting to pile up like snow. And the subtle weirdnesses are starting to suggest the dam cracking and something like Episode 8 coming back in.
posted by argybarg at 12:42 AM on August 7


The change in lighting / cinematography when we go to Audrey's scene was the sort of thing that in other movies is shorthand for "this is something the characters are seeing on TV."
posted by straight at 1:33 AM on August 7


And how great was the arm-wrestling gang's evil nerd who asks BadCoop if he needs any money?
posted by straight at 1:43 AM on August 7 [11 favorites]


Does anyone know what that piece of paper that Ed was burning at the end was?

Maybe he was trying to figure out what he was seeing in his reflection? It would have lit up his face and made it very clear whether or not his reflection was out of sync -- which I think would be a terrifying thing to see.
posted by straight at 2:02 AM on August 7


I think the point of the scene with the franchise man asking Norma to compromise on her pie ingredients is that all this time Doogie has been eating cherry pie, he still hasn't actually had any Cherry Pie.
posted by straight at 2:04 AM on August 7 [10 favorites]


More timeline fuckery: Ep 12 ends with Audrey wanting to go to the Roadhouse, then a cut to the Roadhouse. Ep 13 ends with the same scene, Audrey in the same outfit (only now they're in what looks like a living room and not Charlie's office), but a whole bunch of other stuff has happened in between.

I like the theory that Audrey is in an episode of An Invitation to Love. That the story Charlie is hinting about ending. It also explains all the melodrama.
posted by Brittanie at 2:52 AM on August 7 [2 favorites]


Urinal guy's "That bad, huh?" about the coffee.
posted by snofoam at 4:47 AM on August 7 [7 favorites]


There was something horribly, unsettlingly enjoyable about watching Evil Coop play with the leader of the arm-wrestling gang before killing him.
posted by duffell at 5:09 AM on August 7 [3 favorites]


I giggled when all the tough guys walked out to give Mr. C and Ray some privacy, and one of them was a button-down conservatively dressed fellow. Background artists like that have usually been funny little visual gags or Chekhov's Guns on the show in the first two seasons.

And then he immediately came back to confirm that his new boss didn't need money. That was surprising. Makes me wonder about the fracas in the Vegas police station.

Lots of little things in this episode were surprising (Norma franchising, owl ring mythology, James Effin' Hurley, the "mistake" with the fingerprints). Maybe that was the overriding motif, like absent fathers were in Part 12 or cars in Part 11?
posted by infinitewindow at 6:32 AM on August 7



So the arm wrestly guys, do they need to have a whole arm wrestling tournament now to decide who's boss, with like brackets and seeds and stuff?


I would die to see a whole episode wasted on methodically wrestling it out because you know gentle sweater vest accountant would arm wrestle Richard into the ground.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:00 AM on August 7 [4 favorites]


So I've been re-watching that glitchy Ed clip and noticed a few things:

- The position of the soup changes after we see the glitch
- His reflection's head moves independently of his actual head prior to the glitch
- He doesn't look in the mirror while burning the receipt, indicating that he is not using it to test his reflection

Maybe we switch to the other side of the glass when that glitch happens. I'm also noticing that Audrey's reflection in the window is not reflecting what she's doing, either. Are there other instances in this episode (or others) of independent reflections?
posted by grumpybear69 at 7:09 AM on August 7 [2 favorites]


There was something horribly, unsettlingly enjoyable about watching Evil Coop play with the leader of the arm-wrestling gang before killing him

I liked Nursery School Arm Wrestling even better than the World Of Truck Drivers set piece that introduced Mr. C in Ep 1.

MacLachlan is so good as the dead-eyed badass's badass. And that was exquisitely designed Nazi facepunching. Ranks right up there with Sarah Lancashire's delivery of James Norton's comeuppance in Happy Valley season 1, which if you haven't seen, do.
posted by flabdablet at 7:12 AM on August 7 [1 favorite]


other instances in this episode (or others) of independent reflections

with or without every other appearance of Bob?
posted by flabdablet at 7:13 AM on August 7


MacLachlan is so good as the dead-eyed badass's badass.

He also plays a pretty great supervillain on Agents of SHIELD.

(I've only seen up through the first half of Season 2, so it's possible the writers ruin his character later, but if so it sure as hell isn't MacLachlan's fault.)
posted by straight at 8:13 AM on August 7


I've become convinced that Audrey is trapped the Black Lodge.
posted by vibrotronica at 8:17 AM on August 7 [1 favorite]


Doogie

"Doogie" is certainly efficient, but ugh.
posted by kenko at 8:28 AM on August 7


I loved the weird music when the Mitchum bros conga their way into the insurance office with Dougie (sorry that was a typo earlier not a portmanteau).

It appears to be based on a sped-up version of one of the classic Badlamenti cheesy percussion rifs (here it is slowed-down). It maybe is supposed to sound like a row of slot machines?

Also note the random weirdness that (like the cherry pie!) the "diamond cuff links" present comes in a box waaay too big for cuff links.
posted by straight at 9:47 AM on August 7 [5 favorites]


I assumed they were packed by Candie. She's always a little off about things.
posted by maxsparber at 9:49 AM on August 7 [1 favorite]


I'm surprised that Bushnell is cool accepting flashy kickbacks from gangsters, on a policy that was originally determined to be arson, on which he has taken out his own secondary policy.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 9:52 AM on August 7 [1 favorite]


He's a boxer, not an ethicist.
posted by maxsparber at 9:53 AM on August 7 [7 favorites]


I'm surprised that Bushnell is cool accepting flashy kickbacks from gangsters, on a policy that was originally determined to be arson, on which he has taken out his own secondary policy.

He didn't look cool. He looked confused and mostly concerned that Dougie contact his wife who had obviously been bugging him about how worried she was.
posted by straight at 10:55 AM on August 7


He's a boxer, not an ethicist.

Dammit Jim
posted by duffell at 11:28 AM on August 7 [3 favorites]


He also plays a pretty great supervillain on Agents of SHIELD.

(I've only seen up through the first half of Season 2, so it's possible the writers ruin his character later, but if so it sure as hell isn't MacLachlan's fault.)


For his part, MacLachlan does some excellent work selling Mr. Hyde's personality shifts, (as well as his secretly sympathetic nature). He does get saddled with some ri-goddamm-diculous makeup and prosthetics towards the end, but the way the character develops in the back half is quite satisfying on a show that doesn't always entirely connect on a dramatic emotional level.
posted by Strange Interlude at 12:14 PM on August 7


I'm amused that they bothered to wrap the gifts at all considering that Bushnell didn't get to open any of them himself. Here are your wrapped gifts, but I will open them and present them to you!

Also Sherilyn Fenn is credited as Audrey Horne. Madchen Amick is now credited as Shelly Briggs. Was she credited as Shelly Johnson or just Shelly prior to the Becky/Bobby reveal?
posted by elsietheeel at 2:04 PM on August 7 [1 favorite]


Wrapped boxes where lids are taken off (instead of ripping off the paper) is the most soap-opera thing ever.
posted by armacy at 3:01 PM on August 7 [3 favorites]


Was she credited as Shelly Johnson or just Shelly prior to the Becky/Bobby reveal?

Just Shelly.
posted by crossoverman at 3:27 PM on August 7 [1 favorite]


Then I'm going to guess that Audrey kept her surname.

Also I thought it was amusing that the credits read:

Eamon Farren as Richard Horne
Sherilyn Fenn as Audrey Horne

I wouldn't put it past David Lynch to hire somebody just because their name was alphabetically adjacent to another actor.
posted by elsietheeel at 4:45 PM on August 7 [1 favorite]


As a heads up, next Sunday's show was premiered early in Germany by accident, so spoilers are floating around if you know where to look for them. Apparently it's going to be a good episode, so be extra vigilant if you follow any other online Twin Peaks discussions.
posted by codacorolla at 5:29 PM on August 7 [1 favorite]


Like, what is going on in Germany? This is the second time they have accidentally premiered an episode of this show. How do you even accidentally show a tv show?
posted by kittens for breakfast at 7:17 PM on August 7


Showtime sent them the wrong episode, I heard.
posted by Ruki at 7:23 PM on August 7


Sky TV was apparently sent the wrong episode, and it was loaded for streaming only, not live broadcast.
posted by Brittanie at 7:23 PM on August 7


Showtime is likely blameless in this. Without going into detail, there are a number of safeguards (side-channel and out-of-band metadata, slates that aren't broadcast, filenames, etc.) that broadcasters can and should use to stop this very thing from happening.

Much more likely that it was a failure cascade from multiple vendors to the producers (not Showtime, not exactly) and the German licensor and broadcaster itself. Kinda like Detectives Fusco not checking Dougie's face against the pictures of the ex-prisoner missing FBI agent... "That's a huge fucking mistake!"
posted by infinitewindow at 9:37 PM on August 7 [2 favorites]


Am I the only one who had to watch that Big Ed scene 3 times before I could even see the reflection that you all are talking about? I thought he was just watching the cars go by, not stopping for gas.

(Also, Ed needs to get himself some pay-at-the-pump pumps.)
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 5:51 AM on August 8


Ed needs to get himself some pay-at-the-pump pumps.

He's taking a loss on those old pumps, but it's OK because he makes it up in profit from his chain of franchised Big Ed's Gas Farms across the Pacific Northwest.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 6:14 AM on August 8 [3 favorites]


Big Ed understands the value of putting your name on top of the marquee.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 6:25 AM on August 8 [5 favorites]


We're totally going to get some surprise David Bowie footage, aren't we?
posted by rocketman at 11:26 AM on August 8


Based on spoilers I read of the next episode — I'm not going to tell you.
posted by maxsparber at 11:28 AM on August 8 [3 favorites]


Damnit why can't I find these spoilers anywhere? Damn Germans.
posted by elsietheeel at 11:49 AM on August 8


Nevermind, I just didn't look hard enough. Es tut mir leid!
posted by elsietheeel at 11:56 AM on August 8


There's a Reddit thread, but I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:56 AM on August 8


Is there a specific link for those of us who have their own 10-foot pole and they aren't afraid to use it?
posted by Grangousier at 12:01 PM on August 8


Grangousier: check your MeMail. I don't know if linking is cool. Anyone else who wants it, you know where to find me.
posted by elsietheeel at 12:03 PM on August 8


Vielen dank!
posted by Grangousier at 12:04 PM on August 8 [1 favorite]


Also if anyone wants to talk about these spoilers, you know where to find me. Because mein Gott! I'm your cousin and I'm FULL OF SECRETS.
posted by elsietheeel at 12:31 PM on August 8 [1 favorite]


Can that be the end of the talk about next weeks episode in this thread, please? I appreciate that no one has actually spoiled anything, but I'd feel better if we weren't even hinting around about it. Thank you in advance.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 12:37 PM on August 8 [15 favorites]


Yeah, I usually don't care about spoilers, but going into these episodes blind has been a real special treat.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 12:42 PM on August 8 [2 favorites]


I've been good about avoiding spoilers because I agree that going in blind has been extremely fun, but for some reason the leak of an ENTIRE episode is too much to resist. Especially since I have to watch each episode at least twice in a row to catch even half of what's going on (ADHD is fun!)

And just to reassure everyone, none of my comments were intended to hint at anything. I just misquoted The Man from Another Place in Cooper's dream speaking of Laura "...she's filled with secrets." to mean myself. FILLED. I AM FILLED.

So yes. No more talk of next week's episode. I don't want to spoil anyone unless they ask elsewhere.
posted by elsietheeel at 1:02 PM on August 8 [2 favorites]


Agreed. Watching each week's episode so far has been like opening a mysterious package left on my doorstep, and I want to remain as pure as possible going into the endgame.
posted by Strange Interlude at 1:35 PM on August 8 [3 favorites]


I'm sort of annoyed that Showtime won't just post it VOD. They have to know that people are pirating the overseas broadcast.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:24 PM on August 8


There's a really interesting deep dive into the timeline of the show on Reddit, and it makes a good case that things are indeed being presented out of order in the show. But importantly, it eases suspicions about actual timey wimey WTFery, imo, and makes it seem more like Lynch is just telling the story in a nonlinear way, which seems like the kind of formal experiment he'd do with something like this to push at the rules of plot-heavy Event TV in interesting ways.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:41 PM on August 8 [3 favorites]


Yeah reddit is definitely on the case. And they've done a pretty good job of not spoiling the recently leaked episode.
posted by christopherious at 10:08 PM on August 8


Yeah, I suspect some scenes got shuffled out of order because they worked better at other times in editing, and I don't think Lynch gives a shit about continuity.
posted by maxsparber at 10:17 PM on August 8 [1 favorite]


Then I'm going to guess that Audrey kept her surname.

There's no evidence she ever got married, so of course she kept her surname? Also, if Richard is her kid and his name is Horne, clearly they don't care to brand him with daddy's name.
posted by crossoverman at 10:47 PM on August 8


Yeah, I suspect some scenes got shuffled out of order because they worked better at other times in editing, and I don't think Lynch gives a shit about continuity.

I've seen people say that and I've thought about it, and I'm not convinced that Lynch actually rolls that way. I still think he does actually give a shit about continuity.
posted by christopherious at 10:58 PM on August 8 [1 favorite]


He spent 4 years working on this project. I find it hard to believe anything about it happened on the fly.
posted by hippybear at 11:04 PM on August 8


There's no evidence she ever got married

Except, of course, for her little husband, Charlie, no?
posted by destructive cactus at 4:25 PM on August 9


Totally still in a coma. And she and Agent Cooper will both wake up and ride off into the sunset together to solve crimes, because Lara Flynn Boyle isn't here to stop it this time.
posted by Ruki at 8:35 PM on August 9 [1 favorite]


That Reddit timeline is interesting, but I'm unsure why they think it's happening in 2016... 25 years from 1989 is 2014? I'm sure they explained their reasoning in a previous post (and I hope it's more in depth than "because we saw 2016 on a document in an episode") but I am on my phone and my phone hates Reddit.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:37 PM on August 9


I'd rather he stay with Janey-E.
posted by elsietheeel at 8:38 PM on August 9 [1 favorite]


I suppose BadCoop must have already killed Annie 25 years ago?
posted by straight at 10:43 PM on August 9


Were the backing singers for the terrible Hurley song played by Candie and AN Other showgirl in (or possibly out of) wigs? They looked so alike but I couldn't see any names in the credits for those two.
posted by freya_lamb at 3:17 AM on August 10


According to the Wikipedia page (which is exhaustively, if not obsessively, kept up to date) cross-referenced with IMDB, they're different actresses - Kelsey Bohlen and Rachael Bower as opposed to Giselle Damier as Sandie and Andrea Leal as Mandie.
posted by Grangousier at 10:39 AM on August 10


Also, if Richard is her kid and his name is Horne, clearly they don't care to brand him with daddy's name.

But Ben clearly shows no ill feelings towards Cooper, so if Boop is the dad, Ben doesn't know it.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 4:21 PM on August 10 [2 favorites]


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