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October 8, 2017 8:27 AM - Season 3, Episode 5 - Subscribe

Brianna grapples with life-changing revelations and Claire must help her come to terms with the fact that she is her father's daughter; Roger brings news that forces Claire and Brianna to face an impossible choice.

And now, my friends, we wait two weeks for the next episode. 😭
posted by olinerd (17 comments total)
 
Ugh, my mom and I were just discussing last week how we were convinced they'd end the episode at "It's me. Claire" and how angry we'd be for the wait after that. I'm glad they included the faint so I could at least have a good laugh before the feelings of anger set in.
posted by olinerd at 8:28 AM on October 8 [1 favorite]


Two weeks for the next one? AGH.
posted by Bibliogeek at 8:56 AM on October 8 [1 favorite]


Even in death, Frank can continue to undermine Claire's characterization and monopolize screen time. A Harvard dedication ceremony and his tearful mistress? sigh.
posted by oh yeah! at 6:24 PM on October 8 [2 favorites]


Ahhhh, two weeks!! Even though it was mostly filler, I grudgingly enjoyed most of the episode. I think Brianna is growing on me? At least, I felt like some of these scenes were the ones she auditioned on, and they felt more authentic. Really liked Claire's friendship with Joe. And I thought they would cheat and go to credits right when Claire opened the print shop door, so I was psyched to get a good minute past that. So excited for two weeks from now!!!
posted by banjo_and_the_pork at 6:33 PM on October 8


that awful mistress scene was not book stuff right? that was INEXPLICABLY ADDED TO MAKE CLAIRE LOOK BAD bc why who knows?
posted by poffin boffin at 1:31 AM on October 9 [3 favorites]


hissss
posted by poffin boffin at 1:31 AM on October 9


It's weird, sometimes the show seems to do a shitty job of translating the book to screen (heavy handed "oh, poor Frank and his emotional trauma from being married to a lady who loved someone else") and other times it changes the story for me in a really positive way. In Voyager you don't get at all how fucking creeped out Jamie would have been when he heard her voice. It would be scary, seeing her in the flesh after all that time of believing she was gone forever! They did a good job with that.
posted by something something at 7:58 AM on October 9 [3 favorites]


Yeah, but I agree on not needing any time of "oh how selfish of you not to...I don't even know what...to let Frank go, you're an awful human being" from the mistress. That adds nothing to the story.

My husband, watching along with me: "Brianna gets a house and savings accounts at 19? Fucking boomers."
posted by corb at 9:01 AM on October 9 [4 favorites]


lol tell him she leaves it all behind to bootstrap her way through colonialism
posted by poffin boffin at 11:48 AM on October 9 [3 favorites]


And – if freedom an whisky gang thegither –
How do you like your freedom? Swallowed neat?
Distillations of history, language, weather
In an usqueba o barley, burn water, peat.

Elizabeth Lockhead - For the Centenary of The Scotch Whisky Association

(Also - just because you call yourself "Starz", it is no excuse the refer to scotch as "whiskey" in an episode title).
posted by rongorongo at 2:21 AM on October 10


Ugh, my mom and I were just discussing last week how we were convinced they'd end the episode at "It's me. Claire" and how angry we'd be for the wait after that. I'm glad they included the faint so I could at least have a good laugh before the feelings of anger set in.

Yeah it was really annoying. Plus it kind of breaks up the reunion over both episodes, which I find a baffling creative decision. I usually hate when episodes do this, but I'm actually hoping that the next episode just replays the last three minutes of this one and then continues on from there.
posted by katyggls at 1:52 PM on October 10 [1 favorite]


that awful mistress scene was not book stuff right? that was INEXPLICABLY ADDED TO MAKE CLAIRE LOOK BAD bc why who knows?

Even as a non-book reader, I am absolutely weirded out by the writer's commitment this season to trying to make Claire, the main character and heroine, look terrible and selfish, all to make Frank seem like some sort of martyr/saint. What could their motive for doing this possibly be? I just don't understand it. Is it some kind of weird sexism?

At any rate, I'm not sure it's having the effect the writers want it to have, because I was watching this ep with my mom, also a non-book reader, and she tends to judge tv characters harshly, including Claire at times, and even she turned to me after that scene and was like "Was that really necessary?". It's getting anvil like now. Like we get it writers, Claire bad, Frank good.
posted by katyggls at 2:05 PM on October 10 [3 favorites]


i'm rereading this season's book now to anger myself further.
posted by poffin boffin at 11:20 AM on October 11 [3 favorites]


I honestly thought the mistress scene made frank and his mistress look worse than Claire. Blonde lady seemed misinformed about the details of why Frank stayed married to Claire for as long as he did - Claire didn't want to divorce earlier, but later he was staying because of Brianna, not Claire. Did he lie to her about that? That's a strong maybe.

And the mistress herself - what a terrible setting to have that conversation. She's surrounded by her colleagues, and Frank's colleagues. I get that she's grieving, but it showed terrible judgement.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 12:32 PM on October 11


Frank and Claire are both Catholic. Brianna isn't biologically his, but he adores her and annulling the marriage means that she'd be made illegitimate; he would never deliberately hurt her like this.
posted by brujita at 7:28 PM on October 15 [1 favorite]


Well, but not /that/ Catholic in the end. He has no grounds to annul his marriage to Claire. Infidelity is not grounds, and it's unsure if she even committed that. Yet he still proceeds with a divorce. I agree he doesn't want to hurt Bree, but don't think it has anything to do with his religion.
posted by corb at 7:35 PM on October 15


joe Abernathy and Ishmael (is wil johnson going to play them both?) are described as having deep rich voices. WJ sounds a bit nerdy (and where are Joe's wife and kid?).
posted by brujita at 12:29 AM on October 18


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