The Cloverfield Paradox (2018)
February 4, 2018 10:08 PM - Subscribe
After a scientific experiment aboard the space station involving a particle accelerator has unexpected results, stuff happens.
Stuff like the astronauts find themselves isolated. Following their horrible discovery, the space station crew must fight for survival.
Stuff like the astronauts find themselves isolated. Following their horrible discovery, the space station crew must fight for survival.
Netflix just Beyoncéd a film I could not believe it
(Seriously though, as someone who works on projects for both Paramount and Netflix, this will be super interesting to see how this plays out.)
posted by roger ackroyd at 11:11 PM on February 4, 2018 [1 favorite]
(Seriously though, as someone who works on projects for both Paramount and Netflix, this will be super interesting to see how this plays out.)
posted by roger ackroyd at 11:11 PM on February 4, 2018 [1 favorite]
My assumption is that the critical beating Bright took, compared to its popular success makes Netflix think there is little value in a long promotional process for their in house movies.
In fact there might be a benefit in that people will just begin to expect new movies and shows without having any specific knowledge of what is coming.
Anyway I will try to watch it tonight and post a comment on the actual film later.
posted by Literaryhero at 12:24 AM on February 5, 2018
In fact there might be a benefit in that people will just begin to expect new movies and shows without having any specific knowledge of what is coming.
Anyway I will try to watch it tonight and post a comment on the actual film later.
posted by Literaryhero at 12:24 AM on February 5, 2018
I watched it.
First off, about the promotional stuff, remember how the first movies were stealthily marketed. Also, I had been seeing buzz in the ARG circles not too long ago, so they are staying true to life.
I enjoyed it overall, and technically it was quite good, but, and without spoiling anything (I hope), it lost track of the whole Cloververse being conceptually and thematically tied together and tried way too hard to tie everything together concretely.
posted by Samizdata at 1:19 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
First off, about the promotional stuff, remember how the first movies were stealthily marketed. Also, I had been seeing buzz in the ARG circles not too long ago, so they are staying true to life.
I enjoyed it overall, and technically it was quite good, but, and without spoiling anything (I hope), it lost track of the whole Cloververse being conceptually and thematically tied together and tried way too hard to tie everything together concretely.
posted by Samizdata at 1:19 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
By technically, I mean the effects were quite competent. Not saying the plot was all horrible and such.
Also, the use of a PoC as a director and a competent and non-maiden female PoC was really quite refreshing.
posted by Samizdata at 1:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
Also, the use of a PoC as a director and a competent and non-maiden female PoC was really quite refreshing.
posted by Samizdata at 1:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
This was a hot mess. I think it wanted to be a horror movie, maybe in the vein of like Event Horizon or the like, but the stuff with Mundy's severed arm or pretty much everything with Volkov was more in line with horror comedies? I would rate my reaction as 'baffled' or maybe 'nonplussed.'
posted by mordax at 1:28 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by mordax at 1:28 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
> mordax:
"This was a hot mess. I think it wanted to be a horror movie, maybe in the vein of like Event Horizon or the like, but the stuff with Mundy's severed arm or pretty much everything with Volkov was more in line with horror comedies? I would rate my reaction as 'baffled' or maybe 'nonplussed.'"
Well, IMO, dealing with dread has always struck me as a keystone of the Cloververse. You just need to get it right. The smart rumors have it Paramount froze up on how to market it, so they punted it to Netflix.
posted by Samizdata at 2:20 AM on February 5, 2018
"This was a hot mess. I think it wanted to be a horror movie, maybe in the vein of like Event Horizon or the like, but the stuff with Mundy's severed arm or pretty much everything with Volkov was more in line with horror comedies? I would rate my reaction as 'baffled' or maybe 'nonplussed.'"
Well, IMO, dealing with dread has always struck me as a keystone of the Cloververse. You just need to get it right. The smart rumors have it Paramount froze up on how to market it, so they punted it to Netflix.
posted by Samizdata at 2:20 AM on February 5, 2018
I don't think we need to have spoiler warnings in the discussion for a movie, do we?
Sudden giant monster!
Impatient drumming fingers!
posted by Pronoiac at 2:35 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
Sudden giant monster!
Impatient drumming fingers!
posted by Pronoiac at 2:35 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
WORMS!
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 7:31 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 7:31 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
This was exactly the movie I want to watch after the Super Bowl. (This is both a compliment and criticism.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:36 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:36 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also in the compliment/criticism department: It felt like an extra-long episode of Black Mirror.
posted by Rock Steady at 8:09 AM on February 5, 2018
posted by Rock Steady at 8:09 AM on February 5, 2018
Also Netflix missed the boat in the commercial for this. In retrospect, they should have had it read "Streaming Spring 2018" and then some static, some split-second clips of parallel dimension creepy stuff, and then cut back to the same title card, except it says "Streaming Now".
The "Coming Very Soon" thing felt like it didn't have nearly the impact "Streaming Now" would have had.
I really love that we are completely tearing up the script with regards to how stuff gets hyped/released/distributed in the streaming era (and a lot of the credit for that goes to creators who are women of color, between this and Lemonade).
posted by Rock Steady at 8:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [7 favorites]
The "Coming Very Soon" thing felt like it didn't have nearly the impact "Streaming Now" would have had.
I really love that we are completely tearing up the script with regards to how stuff gets hyped/released/distributed in the streaming era (and a lot of the credit for that goes to creators who are women of color, between this and Lemonade).
posted by Rock Steady at 8:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [7 favorites]
Well, IMO, dealing with dread has always struck me as a keystone of the Cloververse. You just need to get it right.
It was too silly to bring any dread is all. If they'd cut a few bits, that could've worked for me.
posted by mordax at 9:06 AM on February 5, 2018
It was too silly to bring any dread is all. If they'd cut a few bits, that could've worked for me.
posted by mordax at 9:06 AM on February 5, 2018
It was enjoyable, but I agree with mordax: a hot mess. At times it did indeed remind me of Event Horizon, while at other times it seemed like a complete Sunshine knockoff. And like both of those films, it started from a great premise and then fell apart in the second half, when it turned into an extended chase scene through a high tech funhouse, pursued by a murderous monster.
One of these days a movie is going to get that whole 'crossing over into another dimension/multi-verse' thing right, and for a short while, I thought this was going to be the one. Instead it was a serviceable sci-fi action romp, which isn't a bad thing.
(Also, the fact that our smart protagonist was actually ready to abandon her beloved, grieving husband from her own universe to go house crash a family of look-alike total strangers was pretty ridiculous. Sure she might have toyed with the idea during a moment of high emotion, but the fact that she was strapped into the escape pod and all ready to go right up until the moment of Jensen's betrayal was kind of absurd.)
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:08 AM on February 5, 2018 [5 favorites]
One of these days a movie is going to get that whole 'crossing over into another dimension/multi-verse' thing right, and for a short while, I thought this was going to be the one. Instead it was a serviceable sci-fi action romp, which isn't a bad thing.
(Also, the fact that our smart protagonist was actually ready to abandon her beloved, grieving husband from her own universe to go house crash a family of look-alike total strangers was pretty ridiculous. Sure she might have toyed with the idea during a moment of high emotion, but the fact that she was strapped into the escape pod and all ready to go right up until the moment of Jensen's betrayal was kind of absurd.)
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:08 AM on February 5, 2018 [5 favorites]
I haven't actually watched this yet, but I will say that I was profoundly less interested after watching the trailer and finding out that this is a direct tie-in to the first Cloverfield rather than simply part of a thematic anthology like 10CL.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:21 AM on February 5, 2018
posted by tobascodagama at 9:21 AM on February 5, 2018
I wouldn't say it's a direct tie-in, anymore than 10 Cloverfield Lane was. As far as I can tell, they are indeed a thematic anthology rather than films taking place in a shared universe (which makes sense, as this film confirms the existence of a Cloverfield multi-verse.)
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:31 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:31 AM on February 5, 2018 [2 favorites]
I've seen this movie before, like 129 times. Everything that happens in it is so predictable that I've decided to be charitable and presume that the screenplay is some sort of meta commentary on the concept of the multiverse itself.
posted by xyzzy at 9:37 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by xyzzy at 9:37 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
I've decided to be charitable and presume that the screenplay is some sort of meta commentary on the concept of the multiverse itself.
I started wondering about that in the first five minutes, when everybody kept going on about how the Earth was going to run out of 'energy.' Not gas. Not coal. 'Energy.' I asked myself, 'Is this satire? Is this meta? Is someone winking at me?'
I... you know, I still dunno. It can be hard to tell with Bad Robot.
I'm glad people mostly seemed to like it anyway because I want Netflix to try more weird shit even if I'm not in love with every effort - while I didn't like this one bit, I prefer experiments and risks to an endless series of remakes, so, uh, carry on liking it. (No judgment, either - I'm one of the maybe dozen people who enjoyed Bright despite its glaring flaws.)
posted by mordax at 9:57 AM on February 5, 2018 [3 favorites]
I started wondering about that in the first five minutes, when everybody kept going on about how the Earth was going to run out of 'energy.' Not gas. Not coal. 'Energy.' I asked myself, 'Is this satire? Is this meta? Is someone winking at me?'
I... you know, I still dunno. It can be hard to tell with Bad Robot.
I'm glad people mostly seemed to like it anyway because I want Netflix to try more weird shit even if I'm not in love with every effort - while I didn't like this one bit, I prefer experiments and risks to an endless series of remakes, so, uh, carry on liking it. (No judgment, either - I'm one of the maybe dozen people who enjoyed Bright despite its glaring flaws.)
posted by mordax at 9:57 AM on February 5, 2018 [3 favorites]
Ooh, before I get to my spoilery opinions, did anyone else notice the monitor on the space station that, towards the end of the file, said something about "Cloverfield"? I guess that's an easter egg, but I always thought Cloverfield was supposed to be a military code name for the events surrounding the original (not-yet-arrived-in-the-past) monster
I haven't actually watched this yet, but I will say that I was profoundly less interested after watching the trailer and finding out that this is a direct tie-in to the first Cloverfield rather than simply part of a thematic anthology like 10CL.
[Spoilers ahead.]
I'm conflicted on the tie-in. The movie itself is pretty good for a direct-to-streaming sci-fi horror film, but the last 30 seconds or so come out of nowhere. Like, a different movie out of nowhere. We kinda saw something walking around at the hospital, but the screaming about what a terrible place Earth is now was really really out of nowhere.
But for coming out of nowhere, I'll admit that I was on the edge of my seat as the return capsule is departing while the husband is shouting on his phone for them to stay on the station, and actually enjoyed how it just ended with fresh horror. The apparently 20,0000 foot tall kaiju was maaybe a bit much, but as far as jump scares go it left a huge grin on my face. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!!
So then I thought, "WOAH. I wanna see what happens next!"
And then I realized, I essentially saw that 10 years ago, and it was just ok ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:16 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
I haven't actually watched this yet, but I will say that I was profoundly less interested after watching the trailer and finding out that this is a direct tie-in to the first Cloverfield rather than simply part of a thematic anthology like 10CL.
[Spoilers ahead.]
I'm conflicted on the tie-in. The movie itself is pretty good for a direct-to-streaming sci-fi horror film, but the last 30 seconds or so come out of nowhere. Like, a different movie out of nowhere. We kinda saw something walking around at the hospital, but the screaming about what a terrible place Earth is now was really really out of nowhere.
But for coming out of nowhere, I'll admit that I was on the edge of my seat as the return capsule is departing while the husband is shouting on his phone for them to stay on the station, and actually enjoyed how it just ended with fresh horror. The apparently 20,0000 foot tall kaiju was maaybe a bit much, but as far as jump scares go it left a huge grin on my face. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!!
So then I thought, "WOAH. I wanna see what happens next!"
And then I realized, I essentially saw that 10 years ago, and it was just ok ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:16 AM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
(That said, I have to confess a bit of affection for the most questionable anthology compilation process of all time, which will apparently be consisting of buying up any homeless horror-genre-adjacent films and tacking on a minute or two of leftover Godzilla footage at the end)
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [8 favorites]
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:23 AM on February 5, 2018 [8 favorites]
did anyone else notice the monitor on the space station that, towards the end of the file, said something about "Cloverfield"? I guess that's an easter egg, but I always thought Cloverfield was supposed to be a military code name for the events surrounding the original (not-yet-arrived-in-the-past) monster
Well, the station itself is named Cloverfield, so it's not really much of an easter egg.
My theory is that none of the films are directly related to the others; they take place in three separate realms of the multi-verse, each of which has experienced an alien monster invasion, but each in its own unique way. The only thing tying the three realities together is the word Cloverfield (in the first film, it's the name of the monster; in the second film, it's a street address; and in this film, it's the name of a space station) which, in a multi-verse of infinite possibilities, could simply be a coincidence.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:32 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
Well, the station itself is named Cloverfield, so it's not really much of an easter egg.
My theory is that none of the films are directly related to the others; they take place in three separate realms of the multi-verse, each of which has experienced an alien monster invasion, but each in its own unique way. The only thing tying the three realities together is the word Cloverfield (in the first film, it's the name of the monster; in the second film, it's a street address; and in this film, it's the name of a space station) which, in a multi-verse of infinite possibilities, could simply be a coincidence.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:32 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
Well, the station itself is named Cloverfield, so it's not really much of an easter egg.
Oh right. Completely forgot about that.
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:35 AM on February 5, 2018
Oh right. Completely forgot about that.
posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:35 AM on February 5, 2018
ok, so I enjoyed it. My first watch I was tired and I was just there for the ride. I'll go back and watch again sometimes this week with closer attention. But I enjoyed this a ton more than Bright.
posted by miss-lapin at 11:12 AM on February 5, 2018
posted by miss-lapin at 11:12 AM on February 5, 2018
I wouldn't say it's a direct tie-in, anymore than 10 Cloverfield Lane was.
Somebody should tell the marketing folks who made a trailer that liberally borrows iconic moments from Cloverfield and then says "FIND OUT HOW IT ALL BEGAN".
posted by tobascodagama at 11:36 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
Somebody should tell the marketing folks who made a trailer that liberally borrows iconic moments from Cloverfield and then says "FIND OUT HOW IT ALL BEGAN".
posted by tobascodagama at 11:36 AM on February 5, 2018 [4 favorites]
This was a high-production value hot mess. Luckily I tend to enjoy high production value hot messes set in space. So that's good.
But I concur with others; when will Hollywood take a hint from Even Horizon, Sunshine, and now this about the result when you turn your high concept struggle into a chase scene through a maze of twisty passages, all alike. Come on writers it never works. Neeevvveer.
But as I said I enjoy high prodution value space hot messes.
posted by Justinian at 11:16 PM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
But I concur with others; when will Hollywood take a hint from Even Horizon, Sunshine, and now this about the result when you turn your high concept struggle into a chase scene through a maze of twisty passages, all alike. Come on writers it never works. Neeevvveer.
But as I said I enjoy high prodution value space hot messes.
posted by Justinian at 11:16 PM on February 5, 2018 [1 favorite]
So the Cloverfield 'universe' is basically the same game-plan as the late-ish Hellraiser movies... pull out any old rubbish script from the Developement Hell bin and chuck in some 'cloverfield' refs. Awesome.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:34 AM on February 6, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:34 AM on February 6, 2018 [2 favorites]
Just to add: they got lucky with the second one as that was a great script well executed. I'm guessing, going forward is going to prove to be the exception.
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:36 AM on February 6, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:36 AM on February 6, 2018 [1 favorite]
One thing I did like - a space-station cast that included people of color representing the USA and the UK.
And I liked seeing Gugu Mbatha-Raw and David Oyelowo doing stuff.
And Chris O'Dowd, and a special note for YAY apparently Ireland has a space program here.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:32 AM on February 6, 2018 [3 favorites]
And I liked seeing Gugu Mbatha-Raw and David Oyelowo doing stuff.
And Chris O'Dowd, and a special note for YAY apparently Ireland has a space program here.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:32 AM on February 6, 2018 [3 favorites]
This movie is so bad. This is like an Asylum production bad. There's kind of a cool idea with the parallel dimensions, but it doesn't advance beyond the kind of cool idea stage. Serious praise to the actor who had to sell a devastating global war with a phone and some yelling like this is Pontypool or some shit, but since this was probably a movie that cost $50-75 million, forcing him to "Our Town" his way through a bunch of nothing seemed cheap and frankly insulting to the audience. I'm honestly amazed at how lame this was. I didn't really expect it to be good, but...well, it's a January horror movie that they decided wasn't good enough to play theaters in January, and they were right. How did this even happen?
posted by kittens for breakfast at 9:58 AM on February 6, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by kittens for breakfast at 9:58 AM on February 6, 2018 [2 favorites]
And Chris O'Dowd, and a special note for YAY apparently Ireland has a space program here.
I am an idiot, but thank you for answering the movie's real mystery for me. Between my laptop's brightness and the Transformers Movie Poster levels of colour correction, the flag on his jacket was always dark green, white and then deep, dark, red. It was the worst casting of an Italian since Charles Bronson was in the The Valachi Papers.
It was supposed to be orange, of course. I'm going to go buy a children's book of flags or something.
posted by Gary at 10:12 AM on February 6, 2018 [5 favorites]
I am an idiot, but thank you for answering the movie's real mystery for me. Between my laptop's brightness and the Transformers Movie Poster levels of colour correction, the flag on his jacket was always dark green, white and then deep, dark, red. It was the worst casting of an Italian since Charles Bronson was in the The Valachi Papers.
It was supposed to be orange, of course. I'm going to go buy a children's book of flags or something.
posted by Gary at 10:12 AM on February 6, 2018 [5 favorites]
the one thing that made me really sad is when the coms first went down O'Dowd didn't say "Well did you try turning them off and turning them back on again?" I was waiting for that the whole time.
posted by miss-lapin at 2:10 PM on February 6, 2018 [9 favorites]
posted by miss-lapin at 2:10 PM on February 6, 2018 [9 favorites]
I got confused as to why the Australian was wearing an Irish flag when I realized that Elizabeth Debicki (Jensen) is so tall that they gave her one of Chris O'Dowd's (Mundy) flight suits when she needed clothes. Her physicality really worked for the part. She was quite menacing.
Still need to stop ending your space movies with chase scenes through repetitive metal corridors though.
posted by Justinian at 2:20 PM on February 6, 2018 [1 favorite]
Still need to stop ending your space movies with chase scenes through repetitive metal corridors though.
posted by Justinian at 2:20 PM on February 6, 2018 [1 favorite]
One of these days a movie is going to get that whole 'crossing over into another dimension/multi-verse'
Luckily we have The Mist, the perfect 'crossing over from another dimension/multi-verse' movie.
posted by DrAstroZoom at 1:31 PM on February 7, 2018 [3 favorites]
Luckily we have The Mist, the perfect 'crossing over from another dimension/multi-verse' movie.
posted by DrAstroZoom at 1:31 PM on February 7, 2018 [3 favorites]
Whether this is connected to Cloverfield or 10 Cloverfield Lane, we could argue about it all day. What I want to know is is there an actual paradox?
posted by turbid dahlia at 3:18 PM on February 7, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by turbid dahlia at 3:18 PM on February 7, 2018 [3 favorites]
I haven't watched it yet but with astronauts it's likely that at least two have phds which would make them a paradox.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 3:26 PM on February 7, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 3:26 PM on February 7, 2018 [4 favorites]
Ahh, the old Cloverfield Zinger!
posted by turbid dahlia at 5:05 PM on February 7, 2018
posted by turbid dahlia at 5:05 PM on February 7, 2018
I know it’s all silly, but why do you bother with spinning space station parts if it seems to have nothing to do with artificial gravity. They should have been walking on the walls based on the position of the windows. At no point did they ever seem to experience zero g.
posted by tvgraphicsguy at 3:46 PM on February 10, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by tvgraphicsguy at 3:46 PM on February 10, 2018 [1 favorite]
The worms and the eye. Arrrgh! Chris O'Dowd is wayyy too typecast (typecasted?) to be in anything that's not a comedy.
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 7:47 PM on February 10, 2018
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 7:47 PM on February 10, 2018
This was a lot of fun. Solid B+ with the kaiju putting it over the top. Worth watching.
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 8:53 PM on February 10, 2018
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 8:53 PM on February 10, 2018
What I want to know is is there an actual paradox?
Its the name of a book in the film, being sold by some guy critical of the mission the astronauts are on. There didn't seem to be enough detail to make it clear how paradoxical the paradox actually was.
I enjoyed this more than i expected, certainly a lot more than Life, which was the last disaster on a space station film I saw at the flicks. Characters got a bit of time to build before they started bumping them off. Some excitement, bit back on earth worked ok for me. I'd seen some reviews that made me think it was going to be pretty bad but I had 90 minutes spare and didn't feel it was wasted.
posted by biffa at 2:08 PM on February 13, 2018 [2 favorites]
Its the name of a book in the film, being sold by some guy critical of the mission the astronauts are on. There didn't seem to be enough detail to make it clear how paradoxical the paradox actually was.
I enjoyed this more than i expected, certainly a lot more than Life, which was the last disaster on a space station film I saw at the flicks. Characters got a bit of time to build before they started bumping them off. Some excitement, bit back on earth worked ok for me. I'd seen some reviews that made me think it was going to be pretty bad but I had 90 minutes spare and didn't feel it was wasted.
posted by biffa at 2:08 PM on February 13, 2018 [2 favorites]
The worms and the eye. Arrrgh! Chris O'Dowd is wayyy too typecast (typecasted?) to be in anything that's not a comedy.
Perhaps, but I think he's pretty good in Get Shorty.
posted by turbid dahlia at 2:31 PM on February 13, 2018
Perhaps, but I think he's pretty good in Get Shorty.
posted by turbid dahlia at 2:31 PM on February 13, 2018
The worms and the eye. Arrrgh! Chris O'Dowd is wayyy too typecast (typecasted?) to be in anything that's not a comedy.
The Crimson Petal and the White
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:40 AM on February 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
The Crimson Petal and the White
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:40 AM on February 14, 2018 [1 favorite]
According to the guy selling his book "the cloverfield paradox" on the news show, the "paradox" is that if they can get the energy beam working correctly, they run the risk of tearing apart the fabric of reality and smashing the dimensions. Which isn't really a paradox so much as just an unfortunate turn of events.
What actually happens had the potential for a paradox: if getting the beam working always has the side effect of shooting them irrevocably into another dimension, than the reality they save can never be their own. To succeed in their mission is to fail in their mission.
But they got back to their own dimension so that wasn't really a paradox either.
posted by the turtle's teeth at 11:04 AM on February 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
What actually happens had the potential for a paradox: if getting the beam working always has the side effect of shooting them irrevocably into another dimension, than the reality they save can never be their own. To succeed in their mission is to fail in their mission.
But they got back to their own dimension so that wasn't really a paradox either.
posted by the turtle's teeth at 11:04 AM on February 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
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