Supernatural: Stranger in a Strange Land
October 12, 2018 12:12 PM - Season 14, Episode 1 - Subscribe

Sam enlists everyone's help in trying to track down Dean. Meanwhile, Castiel may be in over his head after meeting up with an unreliable source. Jack learns to adjust to life as a human.

I still can't get over that Bobby is really back!

I wonder if the fan support got Mark Pellegrino to stay on as Nick. And the lore of archangel blade not killing the host is a good bit of twist.

I thought Cass could take a bunch of demons with his powers... that was a bit disappointing. Is he still slightly depowered? It's been back and forth for so long I'm never clear on how powerful he is exactly in any episode.

I'm glad after 13 seasons the legend of the Winchesters is enough to drive demons out of their bodies. So much for Kip, though, he was slightly amusing. But clearly he met with Michael.

"All I did was get punched in the face." "To be fair, we all got punched in the face." Poor Jack. But his whiny attitude needs to last exactly another half an episode before I get annoyed.

Sooo Michael is starting a new world where people/beings know exactly what they want and keep things simple? I suppose that is sort of a decent starting point. Start out simple without liars and cheats and "lost souls". That kind of world would be easier to control.
posted by numaner (15 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
I thought this was a pretty good start to the season. I'm enjoying Jensen Ackles playing Michael. I wish Cas had a little more to do rather than just get captured. I also liked Sam and his whole "take charge" attitude here. It's interesting how he sort of blossoms a bit more when he's not in his big brother's shadow. (Like at the end of S12, when he led the raid on the British MoL compound while Dean stayed back with Mary.)

Speaking of Mary, her character really annoys me, and I kind of wish she had just stayed in Apocalypse World. I'm not sure if it's the actor playing her, the way she's written, or the fact that she constantly bailed on her two sons, but I just never warmed up to her.

I like Jack as a character, and I really like watching Bobby take Jack under his wing, but I feel like we got enough of Jack being lost and whiny last season.

Also, I was surprised when Cas said that Jack would be able to re-generate his grace...eventually. When Metatron took Cas's grace, there was no way for Cas to get it back until he took the bit of grace that Metatron had saved up. Are the rules different for nephilim? Or did Lucifer not take all of Jack's grace? I can't see why he wouldn't take it all, unless he was planning on feeding on Jack some more when Jack's grace regenerated.

And given how powerful Jack is when he is fully re-charged, assuming his grace comes back, shouldn't he be going up to heaven to help keep the lights on, since he's the closest thing to an archangel not counting Michael who has his own plan it seems?

I thought Kip was okay, but I'm not sorry to see him go. No one can replace Crowley.

I kind of figured they had just forgotten about Sister Jo after she disappeared from heaven. I'm interested to see where they go with her character.

I thought Cass could take a bunch of demons with his powers... that was a bit disappointing. Is he still slightly depowered? It's been back and forth for so long I'm never clear on how powerful he is exactly in any episode.

Also, shouldn't he be able to heal himself?
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:06 PM on October 12, 2018 [3 favorites]


I'm wondering if Dean/Michael will be the big bad all season. If so, that's bold. It shakes up the show in a big way, eliminating the interaction of the bros. But... then we're left with Sam on his own, and while I love the big lug I'm not sure if he could carry a season on his own. He's not quippy and fun like Dean. I think the stuff with Kip was there to give Sam a badass moment and establish that he's NOT Dean, that he won't be seduced by a Crowley-esque bad guy. But I dunno, if Sam is going to carry the show for a while he might need a Crowley, somebody to banter with. He's probably not really going to get that from Mary, Castiel, Jack or even Bobby 2.0. None of those characters have the snark this show needs.

What was the deal with them taking along that one poor, nervous girl for the meeting with Kipling? She didn't seem like she was much good in a fight. She also doesn't seem like she's a tech wiz. She seems nice, but I have no idea what she was there for other than to be a hostage.

The glimpse of the black inky entity in the previouslies made me wonder if we'll see more of it/her/him soon. The glimpse of the big lizard-monster thing made me wonder about that too, and also made me sad to realizing this is when we were SUPPOSED to be seeing the debut of Wayward Sisters. In fairness to the CW, debuting Legacies, Sabrina, Charmed AND Wayward Sisters at the same time would've been a lot of spooky lady shows... but I continue to be bitter we missed out on the Sheriff Jody show!

I suspect we'll find out Nick is still harboring some vestige of Lucifer, which would be... OK. Lucifer is just too big in this show's mythology to be gone for good, but at the same time bringing him back would feel like kind of a cheat. We'll see.

I just pray the writers are going into this season with a good solid plan. Last season was OK but it felt kind of lurchy and random. They need a good, solid whiteboard with everything mapped out!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 6:15 PM on October 12, 2018 [2 favorites]


When Metatron took Cas's grace, there was no way for Cas to get it back until he took the bit of grace that Metatron had saved up. Are the rules different for nephilim?

Yeah I was also unclear on what the rules are for grace regeneration. But maybe perhaps Lucifer just didn't take it all.

Also, shouldn't he be able to heal himself?

Oh yeah! He should have!

made me sad to realizing this is when we were SUPPOSED to be seeing the debut of Wayward Sisters

Briana Buckmaster has been posting things like this on her instagram with Kim Rhodes and I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO HINT but it's such a goddamn tease.
posted by numaner at 10:27 PM on October 12, 2018


I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO HINT but it's such a goddamn tease.

Hmm, that is intriguing. I'm guessing some sort of web series. Maybe they've got some episodes coming up on the main show, but the wording in that post makes me think this is its own thing. Unless they're working on the WS show for Netflix or something (seems unlikely) I don't know what it could be other than a web series.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 10:51 PM on October 12, 2018


I'm wondering if Dean/Michael will be the big bad all season. If so, that's bold. It shakes up the show in a big way, eliminating the interaction of the bros. But... then we're left with Sam on his own, and while I love the big lug I'm not sure if he could carry a season on his own.

It wouldn't surprise me if Michael is this season's big bad, but I'm sure before the midway point they'll find a way to expel Michael from Dean, so it will be Michael in a different vessel as the big bad. I do hope they stretch this out for a little while, but not for too long, because, yeah, Sam just can't carry the show the way Dean does. Especially without Crowley to balance things out.
posted by litera scripta manet at 4:00 AM on October 13, 2018 [1 favorite]


i forgot where i saw it, but there was a headline that there are episodes this season where Jensen Ackles won't appear at all, so it might really just be Sam carrying the show.
posted by numaner at 2:57 PM on October 13, 2018


I wonder if the fan support got Mark Pellegrino to stay on as Nick. And the lore of archangel blade not killing the host is a good bit of twist.

So originally, I just took that angel blade lore as being a good sign that the show hadn't completely forgot it's own history, because at first I was like, WTF is Nick doing alive? Don't the hosts always die in angel blade stabbings? And then Sam did that whole speech about lore of the archangel blade.

So I guess that means if they stab Michael in Dean's vessel with the archangel blade that they could kill Michael and only injure Dean. Right?

Except wait, wasn't there a thing about only archangels being able to use the archangel blade? I guess maybe if Sam and Cas could do that spell or whatever that they used to talk to Cas when Lucifer was using his vessel as a way to talk to Dean, maybe they could get Dean to stab himself? Seems like the kind of self destructive move Dean loves to pull.

With that being said, I was so glad to be done with Lucifer, that I really don't feel the need to have Mark Pellegrino stick around as Nick. Especially since it makes me worry about Lucifer popping up again.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:10 PM on October 13, 2018 [1 favorite]


About a year ago my teenage daughter got interested in Supernatural and our whole family ended up watching all 13 previous seasons before Season 14 started. I didn't watch much of the first 3 seasons because it didn't seem very interesting but I got more interested once they brought in angels (especially since the main angel was pretty damn good-looking) and I watched most of it from Season 4 onward. A lot of things about the show frustrate me. The way the writers introduce too many plot elements and then drop most of them for so long you've practically forgotten about them by the time they come up again. (Sometimes they never do come up again.) The way they like to step back whenever things really start to get tense and exciting so the next thing you know it's a filler episode where nobody's even talking about the huge new threat or revelation or it's the start of a new season, a year has passed, and the situation has already been resolved - off camera. The way they constantly pass up opportunities to tell really interesting new stories in favor of telling variations on the same old story. (They could have done so much with Purgatory or Apocalypse World!)

I guess the start of Season 14 was okay. I like the beard on Sam. I was expecting some new threat or complication or surprise and we didn't get much - just that Lucifer's vessel is still alive. Or maybe it's really Lucifer just pretending to be Nick. That's my husband's theory, which makes a lot of sense. That vessel was destroyed and later rebuilt, so how could Nick the person (vs. a body that looks like Nick's body) still exist?

Before hearing that theory, mine was that the archangel blade would be used to kill Michael but not Dean, just the way it worked with Lucifer and Nick. (Within the next couple of episodes probably, since they've never kept Sam and Dean separated for long before.) Then maybe they'd use the same trick to get Michael-in-the-cage out of Adam. And then gradually it would become apparent that Nick still had some bit of Lucifer inside him and it was becoming more and more powerful. And everyone would realize that meant Dean and Adam still had Michael in them, too. I forgot that an archangel had to be the one to use the archangel blade. But after I was reminded of that I thought of Dean stabbing himself or Michael-in-the-cage being freed and somehow forced or convinced to do it. Or they could somehow retrieve Gabriel from Apocalypse World and he could do it. (I wouldn't be surprised if he's still alive. Maybe Rowena, because she liked him, gave him that spell she has that keeps you from being able to die.)

Of course if Nick is really Lucifer, he could be the one to kill Michael and free Dean. My husband suggested maybe Lucifer would end up using Sam as his vessel the way he always wanted to and then Sam and Dean, as vessels, could eventually end up fighting each other and stabbing each other, killing both archangels.
posted by Redstart at 8:47 PM on October 13, 2018 [1 favorite]


New idea I came up with while on a walk with my daughter:

It becomes apparent that "Nick" is really Lucifer pretending to be Nick. But he seems humbled. It seems like he might actually regret a lot of what he's done in the past. Eventually, to help redeem himself, he agrees to use the archangel blade to stab Michael/Dean and free Dean. But when he tries it, it doesn't work, because he isn't really Lucifer after all. He really is just Nick, all messed up and confused from years of being possessed by Lucifer, to the point where he acts like Lucifer sometimes and had even become convinced himself that he must actually be Lucifer.
posted by Redstart at 9:33 AM on October 14, 2018 [2 favorites]


I'm hoping they give Nick some closure and then have him die on his way back to his home planet. Personally, I haven't enjoyed Lucifer much since season 7.

Intrigued by a Michael/monster team up.
posted by Query at 9:44 AM on October 14, 2018 [1 favorite]


Redstart, I love your theory about Gabe still being alive because Rowena shared her spell with him. If we can't have Crowley back, it would be nice to have someone like Gabriel around to lighten things up a bit while Dean is MIA.

On another note, one thing that has been bugging me:

Shouldn't Mary (since she died and was brought back to life) be roughly the age as her sons or maybe even younger? I know this issue is sort of confusing because Samantha Smith who plays Mary has been playing her since the pilot, so she's continued to age in the past 14 years, but when Amara brought Mary back to life, wasn't she theoretically coming back at exactly the same age she was when she died? I got the impression that she and John were pretty young when they settled down, so wouldn't Mary have been around 30 when she died? I guess it doesn't matter that much, except that she and Bobby now have this potential romantic thing going on, and shouldn't Bobby be like twice Mary's age?
posted by litera scripta manet at 10:03 AM on October 14, 2018


I've commented on the weirdness of Mary's age before. While Smith is quite good as Mary I kind of wish they'd recast the role with a younger actress because having Mary be younger than the boys would've created a weirder and more interesting dynamic. Smith looks just old enough that when she does mom stuff with the boys it doesn't feel too strange, and it would've been more disorienting and fun if some baby-faced young lady was their mother.

I think we're just supposed to not think about Mary's age too much. It's kind of like on Angel where Cordelia was supposed to be like 18 years old but Charisma Carpenter looked like she was in her early thirties, so they just kind of didn't address the discrepancy and played her as a vaguely young-ish adult instead of a kid just out of high school. Technically Mary is probably supposed to be like 30, but they just won't mention that while she's getting twinkly with Bobby. (But even if Mary was supposed to be in her late 40s, like Smith apparently is, she still seems a bit young for Bobby!)

Having Bobby back is kind of a mixed blessing. On the one hand, the original Bobby was great. On the other hand, this isn't our Bobby and he doesn't have the same history with the boys. I've noticed that Sam hasn't interacted with him much, and that may be because the writers aren't sure what to do with that. Sam would probably feel some strong emotions about seeing Bobby again, but this Bobby wouldn't share that connection. They've got a Bobby 2.0, but I don't know what they plan to do with him. It's hard to imagine a satisfying resolution there... short of him being possessed by the ghost of the original Bobby, so we get the "idjits" guy back!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 4:21 PM on October 14, 2018


SHIT SHIT SHIT! We missed this episode. Goddamn the CW and their inability to schedule the premiere and publicize it correctly.
posted by Ber at 3:24 PM on October 18, 2018


Do not despair, Ber! We've missed episodes before and we were able to catch up with them on the CW website. You can't fast-forward through the commercials but the whole episode should be available online.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 3:58 PM on October 18, 2018 [1 favorite]


you didn't hear it from me but with uBlock Origin the commercials don't appear
posted by numaner at 6:16 PM on October 18, 2018


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