Lucifer: Season 5, Part 2 - Episodes 9-16
May 29, 2021 5:13 PM - Season 5, Episode 9 - Subscribe

God comes down to Earth with a big announcement: Retirement is nigh. Might Lucifer want to step into his father's rather large shoes?

Episode 9 - Family Dinner: Chloe and Ella investigate a mini-golf murder. Lucifer, Michael, Amenadiel and Linda prepare for the holiest of family dinners.
*TV Line Recap - Lucifer's Rachael Harris Toasts That Deliciously Awkward 'Family Dinner' With God
*Den of Geek recap - Lucifer and Chloe hit a snag in their relationship, but it's God's family dinner that promises to alter the celestial landscape on the return of Lucifer season 5.

Episode 10 - Bloody Celestial Karaoke Jam: It's a musical? Yep, it's a musical. Lucifer, Chloe, and the gang sing and dance to a slew of popular tunes while investigating a referee's murder.
*TV Line recap - Lucifer Gets Musical: Aimee Garcia Shares Secrets From the Set (Twerking 'Germ' Included!)
*Den of Geek recap - Lucifer shines with its long overdue musical episode, but it's God's shocking revelation that overshadows this delightful jaunt.

Episode 11 - Resting Devil Face: Lucifer's father decides to experience life as a regular human. Meanwhile, a boxer dies under mysterious circumstances.
*Den of Geek recap - God makes a bold career decision as his children navigate the rapidly changing landscape on Earth and in Heaven.

Episode 12 - Daniel Espinoza: Naked and Afraid: A straightforward prisoner transport job turns into an increasingly dangerous, yet oddly invigorating, odyssey for Dan.
*Den of Geek recap

Episode 13 - A Little Harmless Stalking: Linda throws herself into a deeply personal mission. Maze unmasks a blast from the past. Amenadiel ponders a new job.
*TV Line - Lucifer's Rachael Harris on Linda's Mother of an Episode
*Den of Geek recap - Linda makes a life changing decision, but Eve's return throws Maze off balance on Lucifer season 5 episode 13.

Episode 14 - Nothing Lasts Forever: Lucifer angles to be his father's successor. Ella makes a painful confession. Chloe investigates a murder at an aquarium.
*Den of Geek recap - Ella struggles with her dark side, and Lucifer examines what it will be like to take his father's place.

Episode 15 - Is This Really How It's Going to End?!: Lucifer learns that not all of his siblings want him to land the big promotion. Also, Dan offers to set Ella up with an old friend.
*Den of Geek recap - In its penultimate episode, Lucifer pits brother against brother, and the stakes have never been higher.

Episode 16 - A Chance at a Happy Ending: The end is nigh! Lucifer, Chloe, Maze, and Amenadiel prepare for battle with Michael and his not-so-angelic army of supporters.
*Den of Geek recap - The Lucifer season 5 finale leaves the jokes and one-liners behind to focus on the future for Lucifer, Chloe, and all of mankind.
posted by oh yeah! (23 comments total)
I'd forgotten that the back half of S5 was dropping yesterday, and after watching episode 9 in note-taking mode, I just couldn't bring myself to keep pausing my way through to make the individual episode posts, and just plowed through most of the episodes yesterday and the last few today. I'm kinda regretting my impatience now, as I'm finding it hard to compose my thoughts -- and I don't want to jump right to discussing the big events of the penultimate & final episodes, as I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who pops into the thread without having finished the season, but hopefully the 'More Inside' info makes it clear?

Anyway, I really enjoyed this half-season. The musical episode was spectacular! Dennis Haysbert was a great God. (Though, very bizarro to see Supernatural's Chuck guesting as a non-celestial. I guess with Trickster/Gabriel Richard Speight Jr. having directed multiple episodes, there's some inevitable Vancouver scene connections, but, it was surprising in the moment.)
posted by oh yeah! at 5:31 PM on May 29, 2021 [1 favorite]

This is the first time I'm watching Lucifer as new episodes drop, having become a fan sometime last fall. A few random details I didn't like, a few things I wish were covered, but overall holy motherforking shirtballs. The last three episodes especially, just wow. It's never going to happen but in a just world Tom Ellis and Lauren German would be raking in awards.
posted by kmz at 5:52 PM on May 29, 2021 [1 favorite]

And Dennis Haysbert and Scarlett Estevez too, for that matter, as guest stars.
posted by kmz at 5:53 PM on May 29, 2021

I've seen seen episode nine, and wow, I'm really underwhelmed.

At first I couldn't even remember what happened in the first half of the season. Apparently the whole Michael story line was erased from my memory until the character actually showed up on screen. That rang the bell for me.

The whole bit about Lucy saying he can't love anybody because he's his father's son, was pure hokum. Yes, the whole point of this show is Lucifer has issues, he doesn't understand what his issues are and then he somehow works to resolve them without understanding exactly how he does it, but that "it would be a lie" was a leap too far.

At this point, I'm just annoyed by the show. Hell, even Lucy's suit looked ill-fitting and wrinkled, and that bugged me. I've got my fingers crossed that I enjoy the next couple of episodes more than I liked this one.
posted by sardonyx at 6:10 PM on May 29, 2021

I was delighted that Mr. Bitch was back again.
posted by wierdo at 7:02 PM on May 29, 2021

I forget which episode it was, but I got a good giggle out of Lucifer being given a valet ticket with the number 666 on it. Same with God's retirement party apron saying "Let There Be Burgers". So silly.

I was delighted that Mr. Bitch was back again.

And he said 'fork'. A 'The Good Place' nod?
posted by oh yeah! at 8:20 PM on May 29, 2021 [4 favorites]

Okay, episode ten, the musical episode was a stronger entry.

Until the end, I was really frustrated at the premise for all the song and dance--that God thought it was fun. I mean that's about the lamest excuse for any show to turn an episode into a series of musicals. The end reveal--that God is essentially an ailing Sarek (from Star Trek), leaking his emotions/losing control of his powers and causing the musical numbers unintentionally redeemed the episode. (At least, that's the way I'm interpreting things.)

The song choices were pretty much bang on, although the one in the interrogation room was a bit strange for a mother to be singing about a son.

Given that (I presume) most of the actors aren't dancers, I thought they did a pretty good job with some clever choreography. In particular I liked Ella's bit with the glass doors and I liked the busywork with the glasses on the bar before Dan's number.

I don't know if it's because Lauren German can't sing that she didn't get a solo number or if they were trying to say something about God's relationship to the gift he created for his son. At first I was going to say that maybe his power didn't affect her, but she took part in the opening number with the high school band, so he must have influence over her as well.

Overall, I thought they did a pretty good job of arranging the music for vocal capabilities of the actors, (i.e. changing notes and intervals when it was pretty obvious they wouldn't be able to hit certain passages in tune). The also did a decent job combining songs (Ella's and Maze's and Linda's and Amenadiel's). I wasn't expecting Dennis Haysbert to sing at all, so that was a surprise.
posted by sardonyx at 9:56 PM on May 29, 2021 [1 favorite]

I did love the crack about the polyester blend suit. Even the Devil has a hard time finding good suiting material these days.
posted by sardonyx at 10:06 PM on May 29, 2021 [1 favorite]

polyester blend suit

Was this a crack about the Old Testament 'no mixing fibers' thing?

I recently read an interesting interpretation that the decree was a reference to grading wool fibers during the carding process, to prepare wool for spinning. You end up with short, intermediate, and long fibers.

When using mixed, you end up with an inferior product and waste good fibers, even compared to thread made exclusively from short fibers. Clothing was less comfortable and lasted less long - durability is extra important when the effort to produce a thing is so high. A surprising number of cultures didn't catch onto that... until nearly everyone surrounding the Mediterranean did around the same time.

The nuance is that during that era, the major fibers were flax or wool, both of which had large variations within their types. The spinning processes are sufficiently different that it made no sense to spin them together. The economics of long-distance trade also promoted finished product rather than raw materials, so textiles were made virtually exclusively from local raw materials precluding mixing fibers from different regions. Grading of wool (and to a lesser extent flax) prior to spinning was kind of a big technological thing.

Textiles were Super Important, and growing, processing, spinning, and weaving fibers were a huge economic burden. When non-field labourers weren't actively doing something else, they were labouring on textile production basically every waking moment. Even among the nobility; there are many accounts of Greek and Roman noblewomen touting their skill at producing textiles (by hand personally, and educating and overseeing her household's production). With the exception of Sparta - the worst of the worse of slave-holders, and their historical military record isn't even that great - who relied exclusively on poorly mentored slave-made textiles. Most over-hyped society ever.

Modern textile production blends fibers systematically to produce a better product - similar to how metallurgy leads to highly complicated alloy formulations and manufacture that make even the best metal weaponry from biblical times resemble kiddie plastic hockey sticks compared to laminated wooden ones; much less ones made from modern composites of spun glass, latticed carbon, and complex epoxies.

posted by porpoise at 11:45 PM on May 29, 2021 [6 favorites]

I wasn't expecting Dennis Haysbert to sing at all, so that was a surprise.

I still remember when Dennis Haysbert sang way back on the one-season-wonder "Now and Again", so I was absolutely expecting him to do a number once I knew we were in a musical episode. Not giving a song to someone with a voice that deep in a musical episode would have been a mortal sin.

Given that (I presume) most of the actors aren't dancers

The TV Line interview with Ella mentioned that she and Dan are dancers, and I think Maze must have some dance experience to have pulled off her number.
posted by oh yeah! at 3:30 AM on May 30, 2021 [1 favorite]

Episode 11.

Poor Dan. Look, I know the character started off as a terrible guy, but he has really worked to turn his life and his attitude around. Lucifer was right: both harm and foul.

Maze looked amazing in that red top and matching lipstick and perfectly wavy hair. I'd kill for my hair to do that.

I still hope we get to see Trixie really tell Lucifer off and explain to him that his past (and current) actions upset her. I mean the kick to the shins sort of delivered the message, but I think he needs it spelled out in no uncertain terms.
posted by sardonyx at 6:47 PM on May 30, 2021 [1 favorite]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up for a satisfying series finale if this S5 finale was what they were ok with ending on if they really believed in Netflix's original decision that there wasn't going to be a sixth season. Too many balls in the air still -- such as we never got an explanation for why Hell no longer needed a warden. I wonder if it's because Mr. Said Out Bitch made it out of his Hell loop and up to the Silver City? Is Hell self-actualizing now too? Or was that just to give the audience tangible hope that Dan is not doomed for eternity and would eventually be able to make it up to the Silver City to reunite with Charlotte and the rest of his family/friends when they all eventually die? At least now we're guaranteed at least one more Dan episode for season 6, if not more.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:01 AM on May 31, 2021

First few eps of 5b left me sort of meh, but the last four were everything I like about the show -- emotional, silly, clever, and a little twisty. Agree that "I'm not capable of love" is a bit of a stretch, but it's of a piece with his typical incorrect assessments of his own emotions. I've always theorized that one of Lucifer's (and apparently his dad's) supernatural powers is the ability to assimilate and act on the lessons of therapy in an inhumanly short amount of time.

Tom Ellis is looking more like he did in season 1 -- he's de-bulked somewhat, (thanks to quarantine?) and is sporting that cute emo guyliner again. Homeless magician Lucifer is the hottest Lucifer.

I heard there was originally a coda that wrapped everything up after Lucifer's big revelation at the end of season 5, and that is what they used as the basis for season 6, so the lack of closure is pretty deliberate.

I ran through these episodes really fast, so will probably rewatch them for the clever details that this show likes to tuck in everywhere.
posted by mneekadon at 11:25 AM on May 31, 2021 [1 favorite]

There's going to be a season 6?
posted by Mogur at 3:47 PM on May 31, 2021 [1 favorite]

Mogur: Yes there will be a sixth season.
posted by Roger Pittman at 5:20 PM on May 31, 2021 [1 favorite]

Episode 12

Okay, I loved the dog at the bar. That was just priceless. As for the rest, wow, Lucifer was a total ass, but I'm glad Dan's oafish optimism allowed him to take the good out of a bad situation. If, at the beginning of the series, you told me I'd be rooting for Dan as a character, I wouldn't have believed you, but here I am.
posted by sardonyx at 9:08 PM on May 31, 2021 [2 favorites]

I just finished up the final episodes. The season definitely got stronger as it neared the finish, although the final battle between the demons and the angels and Lucifer and Michael felt a little too cartoonish CGI to me and seemed to go on a bit too long. Yes, I realize that's the big climax and the war between Heaven and Hell to claim the throne of God, but it just felt a bit too cheap to inspire marvel.

While I'm not saying I was hoping for the show to get cancelled, it really does seem as if the writers have a natural end to the story. Sure there are some questions left, but I really think they should have just wrapped it up and not made the decision to ride the cash-cow until it drops dead of exhaustion.
posted by sardonyx at 9:21 PM on June 3, 2021

I mean, there's literally only 10 more episodes. And I feel like there's definitely enough questions that a mere coda wouldn't be really be satisfying.
posted by kmz at 3:36 PM on June 5, 2021

Having a background cameo from the Good Place cast showing redemption from hell (for Dan?) would be great, and not really much of a stretch from this half-season going off the rails.
posted by Marticus at 5:02 PM on June 23, 2021 [1 favorite]

Years later, here's my cold takes on these!

Family Dinner:
* Michael is so awful.
* "Oh, THAT's why everything tastes like chicken! It's your favorite!" is a hoot.
* God, do you actually do anything? Do you care that your grandson's full mortal? I guess...not? Likewise he gives no fucks on Maze and is all "you're perfect as is." God is no help.
* Lucifer being all "I can't love" just seems like such BS at this point.
* From "Den of Geek:" "We know Miss Lopez will move on from her horrific experience, but things may not go as smoothly once she realizes she’s the last remaining member of the team to learn of the existence of celestials on Earth. " YUP.

Bloody Celestial Karaoke Jam:
* You knew they had to do it.
* I keep thinking of the Buffy one: Chloe is the Willow who doesn't sing, and instead of blaming a dancing demon, it's God's fault.
* Oh, come on, Lucy, you know you love a microphone.
* The Maze/Ella mashup was a bit weird.
* Dan fucked God's wife and God knows about it. FUN TIMES FOR DAN AGAIN.
* And....God's going senile. That's so disturbing.

Resting Devil Face:
* "I left my god powers in a rattle" is...certainly an interesting life choice.
* The drug deal thing is so disturbing.
* Petty, petty God exploding Dan. Put him back, but still. Dude, you know Dan was a total innocent on the topic. Also, YOU WERE ON A BREAK!!!

Daniel Espinoza: Naked and Afraid:
* Possibly one of THE most fucked up episodes, which is hard to rank with Lucifer.
* Dan is The Zeppo to a thousand.
* Around the time when everyone started dying, I started thinking, "Isn't this that Game movie with Michael Douglas now, or a dream sequence?"
* And indeed, one of those was right. As if Maze would try to save his ass, indeed.
* My my, Lucifer has gone to great expense over "You shot me, Daniel."
* Pretty sure Chloe's not going to like this.
* Oh, Dan, I somehow see how you ended up making your bad cop poor life choices.
* The impromptu support group stuff was sweet comedy gold, though.

A Little Harmless Stalking:
* Poor Linda, her daughter going criminal. Awkward. But her daughter figuring it out was very sweet.
* *sigh* Oh, Eve. You're so cute, but even after going off on your own for awhile, you still can't manage to figure out your own interests and self? I know you LITERALLY were made to be someone's subservient (baaaaaaarf) and you seem to have interest in maybe not being such, but "what I want to do is what Maze does," sigh.
* I love how Amenadiel does a focus group about God with a group of guys walking into a bar.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:59 PM on December 18, 2021

Maze's outfits at the end....oh good lord, where do you get those?

I did kinda feel like Dan's death came outta nowhere and then dragged on for quite some time.

The end battle was pretty big time for this show.

I do like how Lee figured out how to get into heaven. That's really cool.
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:36 PM on December 19, 2021

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