Supernatural: The Hunter Games
January 22, 2015 8:31 PM - Season 10, Episode 10 - Subscribe

Dean remains affected by the Mark of Cain and he fears continuing down that dark path. After having exhausted their efforts to find a cure in the lore, in desperation Castiel reaches out to an unlikely source for help. Castiel is also trying to find a way to help Claire, despite her anger and rejection of him. Crowley and his mother Rowena spend a little time together in hell.
posted by cfoxhi (14 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
Man, episodes that take the mythology of the show seriously are ponderous. I'm having a hard time keeping straight a number of details.

* I don't really get what the big deal about the First Blade is. I know it was required to kill TJ from SGU, but it seems like plenty of other stuff pops demons anymore. There's a surplus of angel blades around that do the trick just fine. I suppose it gave Dean a host of other poorly defined superpowers, but he lost handily to Metatron anyway. Just didn't come across as awe-inspiring.

* The Rowena subplot has dragged Hell to a new low. The place was best when it was Dean screaming in a Cenobite themed web of chains, and sorta acceptable when they were springing Bobby, but the current setup makes it feel like they have less manpower and organization than the local grocery store I shop at. Plus, the endless 'you were a bad mom,' 'I know but I had to go do witch stuff' exchanges are incredibly tiresome.

* Witches being all powerful continues to bother me. The Winchesters have faced down Lucifer himself, the Mother of All Monsters, etc., but witches routinely chump them. I can only assume the coven Rowena is on the outs with actually runs the world in Supernatural, and every other entity is kidding themselves about the situation. (Probably including God.)

On the up side, some of the emotional beats were right. The Castiel/Claire subplot still feels remotely real to me. She should be freaking out about Randy, and should think Dean's a monster.

I still love Crowley's interactions with the Winchesters.

I also did like torture being a sign Dean was off the rails, rather than 'yay, let's beat up Metatron.' So, not a total loss.
posted by mordax at 2:40 PM on January 23, 2015 [1 favorite]


I liked Sam pointing out that part of Dean wants to give in and run with it. That killing spree at the end of the last episode was of a room full of scumbags who were either creeping on Claire, allowing Claire to be creeped upon, or kicking Dean in the head. There really wasn't anybody in that room we were supposed to feel bad about. Of course he went all killy, what was he supposed to do?

Is that really going to be the solution, he just has to control it himself? Is he allowed to Hulk out when it's a whole room full of scumbags?
posted by tomboko at 5:35 AM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


I liked Sam pointing out that part of Dean wants to give in and run with it. That killing spree at the end of the last episode was of a room full of scumbags who were either creeping on Claire, allowing Claire to be creeped upon, or kicking Dean in the head. There really wasn't anybody in that room we were supposed to feel bad about. Of course he went all killy, what was he supposed to do?

The thing is, we have that information as the audience, but Sam and Dean didn't. When they stepped into the situation, Randy was clearly a hostage, and they had no way of knowing that he had sold Claire out.

Personally, I think that was a bit of a cheat on the part of the writing team: this would've been more interesting if Dean had murdered someone who was only exploiting Claire, not actively turning on her. As far as Sam, Castiel and Claire know, that is the situation though - Dean killed a human being over something other than self-defense, which is typically considered a big deal. Claire's obviously better off without him, but it doesn't follow that he needed to get shredded for that to happen.

Is he allowed to Hulk out when it's a whole room full of scumbags?

The problem with that is that he was unable to accept their surrender, in his condition. It's entirely possible that most of them would've thrown down their weapons or fled, given half a chance. Killing them all was certainly tidier, but killing people for expediency is probably not a good way to do things.
posted by mordax at 10:58 AM on January 24, 2015


I was a bit excited near the end when Sam mentioned that Cain himself managed to wear the Mark for millennia without going all stabby on everyone. Then I realized it was just a kind of Doctor Phil moment about Dean's internal strength.

I was hoping they were going to bring back Timothy Omundson as Cain! He was great! No such luck. I'm rewatching Deadwood right now (Fanfare should do this!) and it's funny how different Omundson is on the two shows.
posted by brundlefly at 12:21 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


I was hoping they were going to bring back Timothy Omundson as Cain! He was great! No such luck.

Aww. He was pretty great in the role, and it seems like the obvious solution - IIRC, he did say he'd need the Mark back at some point.
posted by mordax at 3:15 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]


Not bad, not great. Dean's past in Hell, where he became the master torturer is hardly ever referenced specifically, but pops up from time to time like this, and kind of provides a few sad thoughts for what Dean went through to have mastered these skills.

Rowena. I love your accent, but the King of Hell having Mummy Issues is kinda a drag. I will be happy when they wrap that up.

Speaking of parental issues, I actually do like the Castiel and Claire stuff, too.

It makes total sense for the Winchesters to go hunt down Cain again. They need to do it. Brrr.

The thing about Cain, tho', is that while he lived with the mark for thousands of years, he's also considered the very first demon. Does that imply that Dean is still a demon, but on the same level of control as Cain? Hrm.
posted by Atreides at 10:08 AM on January 28, 2015


* I don't really get what the big deal about the First Blade is. I know it was required to kill TJ from SGU, but it seems like plenty of other stuff pops demons anymore. There's a surplus of angel blades around that do the trick just fine. I suppose it gave Dean a host of other poorly defined superpowers, but he lost handily to Metatron anyway. Just didn't come across as awe-inspiring.

Props for the TJ call out. As for the First Blade, it's the only thing that could kill a Knight of Hell. The angel blades wouldn't cut it against her. Granted, I still miss the good ol' Colt. Them were the grand days.
posted by Atreides at 10:10 AM on January 28, 2015 [1 favorite]


Props for the TJ call out.

I think I was one of the five people who actually liked SGU, hehe. :)

As for the First Blade, it's the only thing that could kill a Knight of Hell. The angel blades wouldn't cut it against her. Granted, I still miss the good ol' Colt. Them were the grand days.

Oh sure, but Abaddon was the last Knight - with her gone, the First Blade isn't any more useful than a host of more readily accessible weapons and tools. I suppose I'm objecting to it because the weapon's power feels like an Informed Attribute, especially when Crowley acts like Dean could use it to clean out Hell itself.

(Granted, Crowley not wanting to fork it over still makes sense - I wouldn't give Dean a butter knife in his present condition - but the hyperbole surrounding it just didn't work for me.)

I still miss the good ol' Colt.

Me too. The Colt and its lore were much more in keeping with the feel of the show. Getting too Biblical with stuff... they just don't have the budget or, frankly, the writing chops to make things epic in that manner on Supernatural, and it was never why I tuned in in the first place.
posted by mordax at 12:33 PM on January 31, 2015


Random tiny thing that bugged me: why was Rowena, who is clearly playing as Irish, humming "Scotland the Brave"?
posted by rhiannonstone at 7:41 PM on January 31, 2015


Rowena is supposed to be Scottish. Crowley's original name was actually Fergus Rodric MacLeod.
posted by Atreides at 6:50 AM on February 1, 2015


Oh. OH. She is supposed to be an allusion to THE Rowena, then, I guess?

(Her Scottish accent is terrible, though.)
posted by rhiannonstone at 12:15 PM on February 1, 2015


It's possible that at the least, the historical Rowena served as a inspiration, especially given how much she relies on her charms to disarm (magical and personal).

And, er, the actress is a native Scot!
posted by Atreides at 12:30 PM on February 1, 2015


D'oh. You know that law that any criticism of someone's spelling/grammar online is bound to itself contain spelling/grammar errors? There is clearly a similar law at work about criticizing the accents of actors who turn out to be native speakers.
posted by rhiannonstone at 1:57 PM on February 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


If it helps, I did purposefully investigate to find out if she was Scottish or not. The accent is remarkably similar to a Scottish teacher of mine once, so I was curious.
posted by Atreides at 6:27 PM on February 1, 2015


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