Better Call Saul: Nacho
February 16, 2015 8:07 PM - Season 1, Episode 3 - Subscribe

Jimmy's parking issues yield intriguing possibilities.

"Here's Johnny!" bookends this episode. A fight over a duffle bag ensues. What now?
posted by mandolin conspiracy (48 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite
 
Now they wander the desert in the dark, I guess.
posted by Sys Rq at 8:39 PM on February 16, 2015


Only after burying their scat.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:03 PM on February 16, 2015 [3 favorites]


Now Nacho kills the family, Jimmy makes some dough and becomes beholden to criminals, and Mike, bored with the parking lot attendant gig, involves himself in covering up Nacho's crimes while securing a place for himself as an adviser to Tuco.
posted by Invisible Green Time-Lapse Peloton at 9:09 PM on February 16, 2015


It's good to see the softer side of Mike, finally.

Great way to end the episode.
posted by Catblack at 10:07 PM on February 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


I love this show. That is all.
posted by SpacemanStix at 11:04 PM on February 16, 2015 [4 favorites]


I made a huge mistake by starting to watch the show as it airs. Now I have to do so much waiting :(.

(This episode was really damn great, though).
posted by GrumpyDan at 1:20 AM on February 17, 2015




What an enjoyable episode from front to back.

One minor touch: I assumed the title sequence in the first episode were just a placeholder (as is so often the case), but I guess they're going to stick with the footage used changing every episode at least for the time being. I really liked the justice ash tray on this one. As dumb/minor as it sounds, I look forward to a super cut and/or GIF set of them all once the season's done.
posted by sparkletone at 5:45 AM on February 17, 2015 [5 favorites]


I love the Jimmy and Kim relationship; very excited to see more of their backstory.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:50 AM on February 17, 2015 [1 favorite]


“You didn’t do the sex robot voice, did you?”
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:14 AM on February 17, 2015 [12 favorites]


"Nacho is notcho man." Oy, I hope some writer didn't fight to keep that line in the script. Other than that though, brilliant episode.
posted by fuse theorem at 9:14 AM on February 17, 2015 [2 favorites]


Dad jokes are a critical component to the DNA of Saul Goodman and his rhetorical style!
posted by cardboard at 9:39 AM on February 17, 2015 [25 favorites]


I liked the scene where he was building the voice-changing device. It was like a super-low-tech version of those "Walt Does Science" scenes in BB. And of course the device didn't work at all.
posted by isthmus at 10:44 AM on February 17, 2015 [7 favorites]


"Nacho is notcho man." Oy, I hope some writer didn't fight to keep that line in the script. Other than that though, brilliant episode.

Jimmy says exactly that kind of corny thing all the time! That line belongs right where it is as long as you've got Odenkirk to deliver it just so.
posted by sparkletone at 11:18 AM on February 17, 2015 [10 favorites]


"Nacho is notcho man."

To my mind, this fits right in there with "Listen, Starlight Express, " when he first encounters the biznatch brothers and when he calls the detectives Cagney and Lacey.

There's something Odenkirk does with the corny/highly dated pop culture references that really works for me.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 11:24 AM on February 17, 2015 [7 favorites]


The scene with the Kettlemans when they get the phone call felt so much like an old VG X-Files episode.

I thought the hair and make-up crew did a great job in the flashback. It's really hard to make a 50-year old man look half his age but I think they did a very good job of capturing that without being obvious.

Excellent work all around.


I'm nacho friend.

posted by Room 641-A at 12:09 PM on February 17, 2015 [4 favorites]


I guess the Kettlemans have to hire Jimmy now.
posted by Pendragon at 2:06 PM on February 17, 2015 [4 favorites]


I wasn't so surprised at the "softer side" of Mike. More like he ran a calculation and that was the result. And on BB it was always Walt who annoyed the hell out of Mike; I had the sense Mike understood Saul for what he was and was like, no problem, whereas he felt Walt was dangerously unpredictable.
posted by localroger at 2:56 PM on February 17, 2015 [1 favorite]


A "simple Chicago sunroof"?? Anyone?

Jimmy and Mike's interactions EVERY SINGLE TIME Jimmy leaves the parking lot totally tickles my funny bone. I mean, come on Jimmy! How many times have you been through this? GET YOUR DAMN PARKING STICKERS
posted by triggerfinger at 5:17 PM on February 17, 2015 [3 favorites]


I guess the Kettlemans have to hire Jimmy now.
Yeah, that was my prediction of where things go next.
posted by dfan at 6:13 PM on February 17, 2015


A "simple Chicago sunroof"?? Anyone?

That's a Rusty Venture on the top of a station wagon.
posted by Sys Rq at 6:25 PM on February 17, 2015 [4 favorites]


I was going to go with "bullet to the head" but hmm.
posted by Invisible Green Time-Lapse Peloton at 7:20 PM on February 17, 2015


This was a really great episode overall, but the scene with Mike and Jimmy on the stairs, the dialogue seemed really artificial and expository. Just jumped out at me as unnatural. Mike's all of the sudden "oh, let me tell you about one time when I was back on the force", seems very out of character. Though I loved Jimmy's response to Mike right before that; so happy someone believed him, but then "well, just playing Devil's advocate, all their cars are still at the house?"
posted by skewed at 8:27 PM on February 17, 2015 [1 favorite]


I am so tired of these spoileriffic AMC promos. Just this last episode alone they gave away the fight with Mike, the "sex robot" punchline, and the arrest of Nacho. Were the ads for Breaking Bad this revealing?

Also, to cross-post from the prior thread: it finally hit me who Tuco and Jimmy were reminding me of during that desert negotiation scene. "He has no respect!", indeed.
posted by Rhaomi at 12:23 AM on February 18, 2015 [2 favorites]


Mike's all of the sudden "oh, let me tell you about one time when I was back on the force", seems very out of character.

Could this have been a case of him reading the scenario (Hmm...these people likely did kidnap themselves, and are probably holed up somewhere with a bag of cash, and this is probably the only guy that knows where he is), so he's reaching out with a little "Hey, this one time..." to win Saul over, and in so doing get a piece of the action.

If that's the case, very Mike.

But maybe I'm reading way too much into it. If so, then I'd agree it was abruptly expository.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:40 AM on February 18, 2015


What's so out of character about it? Mike has always been the "this is how it works, dummy" guy.
posted by Sys Rq at 6:42 AM on February 18, 2015 [6 favorites]


Mikesplaining!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:05 AM on February 18, 2015 [19 favorites]


I also really hate the next-week promos, I think they ruin a lot of the drama inherent in a good TV show like BB or BCS. Heck, they even ruin a lot of the drama in a shitty TV show like The Walking Dead. The worst promo-spoilers I ever saw were Dexter, where they would basically give you a full-blown synopsis of next week's episode. So I stopped watching them unless I accidentally don't turn off the TV after the credits start to role. I don't know what the guidelines are here, but I think it would be nice if people refrained from including the promo material for the next episode in the discussion.

What's so out of character about it? Mike has always been the "this is how it works, dummy" guy.

He might do that with Jessie or Walt after they were already deeply involved, but to go up to Saul at this point and be like "here's how it is, see" is out of character, to me.
posted by skewed at 7:23 AM on February 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


So what do other people think is the story with Jimmy and Kim?

It's my guess that they met in law school. They clearly had a romantic relationship. She seems significantly younger than him, but the cold open makes it seem like he was probably a nontraditional law school student.

Loved Mike's Eyebrow of Doom in Jimmy's direction after Jimmy let himself out the gate.
posted by aabbbiee at 7:37 AM on February 18, 2015 [2 favorites]


It's my guess that they met in law school.

My guess: Chuck's wife.
posted by Sys Rq at 7:39 AM on February 18, 2015 [4 favorites]


Could this have been a case of him reading the scenario (Hmm...these people likely did kidnap themselves, and are probably holed up somewhere with a bag of cash, and this is probably the only guy that knows where he is), so he's reaching out with a little "Hey, this one time..." to win Saul over, and in so doing get a piece of the action.

I think that Mike, as of the premiere of this series, no longer cares about a piece of the action, and is probably living in Albuquerque because that's where his kid(s) and also possibly his granddaughter Kaylee? live. I think he knows the value of a different perspective, could see that Saul needed it, and offered it up. I don't think he has any interest or need to win Saul over. At least, not yet.

(I thought Kaylee was supposed to be 6 or 7 in the scenes from Breaking Bad, but it appears the child actress was born in 2000, so she'd be alive in 2002, when this show starts.)
posted by aabbbiee at 7:48 AM on February 18, 2015 [3 favorites]


There's been some discussion about how there's a paucity of strong female characters, a criticism I'm inclined to agree with.

Something is nagging at me that maybe Betsy Kettleman is really the brains of their embezzlement operation. Craig Kettleman had access to the funds, sure, but at every critical juncture in their contact with Jimmy, she's been the one to step in make the call - not signing the contract for legal services, then she's the one to grab the duffle bag and fight with Jimmy over it. Craig puts sexy robot voice on speakerphone for her. Maybe it's an equal partnership in crime, who knows? But I suspect she's calling the shots there.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:33 AM on February 18, 2015 [11 favorites]


I definitely think that's where they're headed with the Kettleman story, I noticed that t hey were making her the stronger of the two in all their interactions, and especially noted that she was the one to grab and hold onto the duffle bag
posted by skewed at 9:01 AM on February 18, 2015 [3 favorites]


I also just had a little chuckle to myself over the choice of song the Kettlemans were singing with their kids.

Just got it!

I mean, why not "Wheels on the Bus" or "99 Bottles of Beer"? Of course.

Yeah, I'm a little slow on the uptake.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:19 AM on February 18, 2015


Bingo?
posted by tracicle at 10:41 AM on February 18, 2015


My guess: Chuck's wife.

O.k., flashing back to the previously-kicked garbage can in the parking lot elevator bay (it bore the scars of a previous encounter before Jimmy went upstairs, and which he glanced ruefully at) that Kim carefully rights and puts back in its place after Jimmy leaves...

...it would appear they've taken a run at cashing out Chuck from the partnership before, and that didn't work, either. See, they're (she and Chuck) separated but she's waiting to get him cashed out of the partnership so she gets a share as part of a divorce settlement. Jimmy, meanwhile, looks like he's doing all this out of concern for his brother.

Or, affair or no, maybe they're both worried that the partners are going to deem Chuck as having abandoned his post, thereby violating his end of the partnership agreement, in order to take the cheap way of getting rid of him. But since Chuck won't formally withdraw himself, Jimmy tries to bluff it to see if that'll work.

Meanwhile...they keep things on the DL, and have to make do with "sexy robot voice" while waiting for their plan to bear fruit. Both being lawyers, they don't have to lie if deposed about the existence of a "physical relationship," in the event of divorce proceedings, 'cuz sexy robot voice doesn't count.

I've had far too much coffee today.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:41 AM on February 18, 2015 [2 favorites]


Bingo?

I can't help but think that instead of having Jimmy say "Aha!" or, uh, "Bingo!" they threw that in there as a cutesy joke.

Like I said, too much coffee today.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:42 AM on February 18, 2015


Nah, I don't think Jimmy and Kim are in a current relationship, even a hushed-up one, though they clearly have had an intimate connection at least at one point.
I don't know if I buy the "Chuck's wife" thing, either, though it is intriguing. She does seem to care about Chuck, and her first thought was about Chuck when Jimmy called her at 2 AM. Then she stayed on the line, mildly interested but mostly just tolerating the conversation (until he got to his point about the Kettlemans which got under her skin). I just don't see that conversation happening that way if they were currently attached.

At the same time, Kim is pretty conventionally attractive and Jimmy did not exactly have game a few years later when his idea of hitting on his receptionist was to offer to follow her home "for safety!"

Kim is fascinating, and I look forward to more development of her character, but I'm okay with the fact that they're drawing it out slowly.
posted by aabbbiee at 11:11 AM on February 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


Also, Chuck refers to her as "Your friend Kim" in the previous episode, which seems rather odd if she's his wife.
posted by kewb at 6:19 PM on February 18, 2015 [3 favorites]


I wasn't so surprised at the "softer side" of Mike.

I think we'll find that Mike got into the drug world for reasons of necessity, not because it suits him. Maybe we'll find out that there's a pressing need with his granddaughter, and not simply an issue of wanting to leave her an inheritance.
posted by SpacemanStix at 6:36 PM on February 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm going with: met in law school, had an occasional FWB thing going on (he was interested in more; she wasn't), she ran circles around him academically and got courted by all the top firms while he was busy being a Slippin' Jimmy character - they sort of drifted apart but still saw each other every now and then (and had plenty of run-ins between the court and Chuck's firm). Maybe we'll see some law school flashbacks!
posted by naju at 6:48 PM on February 18, 2015 [4 favorites]


Sounds plausible to me, naju.
posted by isthmus at 10:35 PM on February 18, 2015


I love the little things that tie in with other things in this show. We've seen Jimmy putting his keys, wallet and phone into Chuck's mailbox and then going inside to see Chuck, who's in a prison of his own making. But here it was Chuck putting his keys, wallet and phone into the metal bin and going inside to see Jimmy, in a real jail. Beautiful.
posted by essexjan at 6:52 AM on February 20, 2015 [21 favorites]


I'm going with: met in law school, had an occasional FWB thing going on

I very much doubt she went to the University of American Samoa School of Law with Jimmy. Seems a little more pedigreed than that.
posted by killdevil at 9:11 PM on February 20, 2015 [1 favorite]


It was briefly mentioned in the ep.1 thread, but somehow I missed until now the resurrection of the weekly "insider" podcast with VG, the writers, directors and cast members.

This was a big part of my Breaking Bad weekly ritual, and I'm thrilled it's returned with the new show, more or less unchanged. It's great hearing Bob O. talking about the challenges of carrying a show, and the podcast always gives me more appreciation for the level of detail on BB/BCS, which I'd be mostly oblivious to otherwise. Heads up for any big fans not already listening.
posted by p3t3 at 11:42 PM on February 22, 2015 [5 favorites]


Thank you for the head's up!

I enjoyed the BB podcast nearly as much as the show. (Well, nearly nearly.) I can't wait to catch up.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:41 AM on February 23, 2015


mandolin conspiracy: There's something Odenkirk does with the corny/highly dated pop culture references that really works for me.

Slippin' Jimmy then seems out of character, or rather, a different character. His transformation from small-time con-man to low-level lawyer could have come with growing up and growing out of his prior petty crime, perhaps realizing that Chuck wouldn't bail him out forever.

Then again, the "dad joke" phase of life generally comes later, something like a super power related to becoming middle-aged man. One is not simply born middle-aged.

Anyway, back to this episode. One Burqueño (aka a resident of Albuquerque) is mapping locations from BCS, and found that the payphones were a prop. And as my wife noted, The Kettleman house is up near the foothills, but somehow Saul manages to trek all the way down to the bosque, which is across town and about 15 miles away (I selected a random point in the bosque). While you don't see any water, 1) that's sadly not unusual along the bosque, and 2) the trees and terrain are otherwise a give-away. And Odenkirk spoke wistfully of the bosque trail, so they've somewhere been down in that area.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:58 AM on February 23, 2015 [2 favorites]


Also, a belated kudos to them for 1) using real, local phone numbers, and 2) doing something with them, even if it is an answering machine that won't ever get answered. But, as might actually be appropriate for a no longer existing (pretending they were ever there) (prop) pay phones, some numbers don't work, even though they have the 505 area code. Someone mentioned that number might not even be real, in terms of New Mexico phone number syntax.
posted by filthy light thief at 2:00 PM on February 25, 2015 [3 favorites]


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