Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Favor the Bold Rewatch
July 18, 2016 11:25 AM - Season 6, Episode 5 - Subscribe
OK, you know how, when you think you've found the right person, you just can't get enough of them? And you totally lose track of time in their arms? And all your friends are like, hey, where have you been, and you try to tell them that this is the one, man, and they just don't get it? And then you realize that one of them is going to get executed because you didn't do your part to resist the invading aliens? OK, maybe not so much the last part, but that's Odo's deal. Also, Sisko & Co. prepare to retake the station.
Memory Alpha asks if it was good for you, too:
- The title of this episode is a paraphrase of a line from the narrative poem The Aeneid, written by Virgil in Ancient Rome. The poem is a 'sequel' to Iliad by Homer and it describes how the wanderings of the Trojan soldier Aeneas bring him to Italy, and ultimately to lay the foundations of Rome itself. The actual quote, as spoken by Sisko in the episode, is "Fortune favors the bold" ("audentes fortuna iuvat") and is found in Book 10, line 284 of the poem.
- James T. Kirk utters a similar line in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, "May fortune favor the foolish," before launching the HMS Bounty on a time warp; in the novelization, Spock catches the reference shortly before the ship's warp drive is engaged.
- Admiral Coburn's character is similar to James Coburn's character in the film Midway, where his character tells Chester W. Nimitz not to go through with his plan of attack because it would leave Hawaii open to attack.
"Can you believe it? They made me an ensign."
"I didn't realize that things were going so bad."
"Scary, isn't it?"
- Nog and O'Brien discussing the sad state of the Federation
"Don't you think resolving family squabbles can wait until after we've won the war?"
(Dukat and Damar look at him in disbelief.)
"Weak eyes, good ears."
- Weyoun, after hearing Dukat and Damar's conversation
"I must say, you're doing a wonderful job with Odo.'"
"Meaning what?!"
"Meaning that he's always posed a potential threat to our plans, but you seem to have neutralized him quite nicely."
"Neutralize Odo?! Is that why you think I'm here?! Odo is a Changeling - bringing him home, returning him to the Great Link means more to us than the Alpha Quadrant itself. Is that clear?"
- Weyoun and the Female Changeling
"I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst."
- Garak
Memory Alpha asks if it was good for you, too:
- The title of this episode is a paraphrase of a line from the narrative poem The Aeneid, written by Virgil in Ancient Rome. The poem is a 'sequel' to Iliad by Homer and it describes how the wanderings of the Trojan soldier Aeneas bring him to Italy, and ultimately to lay the foundations of Rome itself. The actual quote, as spoken by Sisko in the episode, is "Fortune favors the bold" ("audentes fortuna iuvat") and is found in Book 10, line 284 of the poem.
- James T. Kirk utters a similar line in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, "May fortune favor the foolish," before launching the HMS Bounty on a time warp; in the novelization, Spock catches the reference shortly before the ship's warp drive is engaged.
- Admiral Coburn's character is similar to James Coburn's character in the film Midway, where his character tells Chester W. Nimitz not to go through with his plan of attack because it would leave Hawaii open to attack.
"Can you believe it? They made me an ensign."
"I didn't realize that things were going so bad."
"Scary, isn't it?"
- Nog and O'Brien discussing the sad state of the Federation
"Don't you think resolving family squabbles can wait until after we've won the war?"
(Dukat and Damar look at him in disbelief.)
"Weak eyes, good ears."
- Weyoun, after hearing Dukat and Damar's conversation
"I must say, you're doing a wonderful job with Odo.'"
"Meaning what?!"
"Meaning that he's always posed a potential threat to our plans, but you seem to have neutralized him quite nicely."
"Neutralize Odo?! Is that why you think I'm here?! Odo is a Changeling - bringing him home, returning him to the Great Link means more to us than the Alpha Quadrant itself. Is that clear?"
- Weyoun and the Female Changeling
"I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst."
- Garak
The Defiant was Starfleet's first straight-up warship, and since the DS9 crew worked out the problems with the prototype, we'll see more members of the class both in this series and in Voyager. You also have the Prometheus prototype, which was set up for "multi-vector assault mode" (i.e. it could split into three different ships to attack an enemy from different angles), and I think that the Sovereign class (the Enterprise-E) was supposed to be more heavily armed than most Starfleet vessels before it.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:52 AM on July 18, 2016
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:52 AM on July 18, 2016
Voyager and Enterprise-E's ship classes must have came from similiar design principle as the Defiant. They were all launched within a few years of each other, the generation of Starfleet vessels built in response to the Borg: heavily armed and not meant to take along families.
Voyager and Enterprise could still do Starfleet's standard science stuff. Though Defiant went on science missions, too. Now that I think about it, there wasn't a huge difference between the Defiant and contemporary Starfleet ships. No holodecks were probably about keeping a huge safety hazard out of a ship that already had phaser cannons right in front of the nacelles.
posted by riruro at 10:07 PM on July 24, 2016
Voyager and Enterprise could still do Starfleet's standard science stuff. Though Defiant went on science missions, too. Now that I think about it, there wasn't a huge difference between the Defiant and contemporary Starfleet ships. No holodecks were probably about keeping a huge safety hazard out of a ship that already had phaser cannons right in front of the nacelles.
posted by riruro at 10:07 PM on July 24, 2016
At the start, the Defiant acting as a decoy to lure the Jem'Hadar ships to them so the Rotarran can destroy them is a neat trick - but it makes me wonder how the cloaking devices differ and how the Dominion is unable to breach the Klingon cloaking device.
This is a better episode, the tension ratchets up throughout, with some nice details - Quark giving Damar the drink and asking about leaving the bottle, Wayoun asking if the painting is any good, Kira beating the crap out of Damar and him then turning up to Dukat's office all bruised, and Jake Sisko saying he is getting a message to his dad at just the right time, (via Morn!) and Nog becoming an Ensign. Gotta love the dialogue between Nog and the Chief. Even Damar's speech to Ziyal is good.
The only downsides were Kira still being free - how has she not been arrested as a co-conspirator? And the icky bit with Odo and the Founder woman having sex, and her saying "so that's how the solids experience intimacy?" - So what, did she consult the data banks and create herself a vagina? wtf? It is such a strange scene and idea, I am not sure what the point of it is.
And the ending is excellent, how they realise they have to move asap after they get the message about the minefield being deactivated, and then the Cardassian fleet turning up.
posted by marienbad at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016
This is a better episode, the tension ratchets up throughout, with some nice details - Quark giving Damar the drink and asking about leaving the bottle, Wayoun asking if the painting is any good, Kira beating the crap out of Damar and him then turning up to Dukat's office all bruised, and Jake Sisko saying he is getting a message to his dad at just the right time, (via Morn!) and Nog becoming an Ensign. Gotta love the dialogue between Nog and the Chief. Even Damar's speech to Ziyal is good.
The only downsides were Kira still being free - how has she not been arrested as a co-conspirator? And the icky bit with Odo and the Founder woman having sex, and her saying "so that's how the solids experience intimacy?" - So what, did she consult the data banks and create herself a vagina? wtf? It is such a strange scene and idea, I am not sure what the point of it is.
And the ending is excellent, how they realise they have to move asap after they get the message about the minefield being deactivated, and then the Cardassian fleet turning up.
posted by marienbad at 2:36 PM on July 25, 2016
It makes sense that Dukat would be isolated, even within the Cardassian ranks at this point, given his history and his personality, but holy mackerel, when you're asking a complete asshole like Damar to conduct a sensitive personal assignment that requires convincing someone of something they're not necessarily sympathetic to, you have to be absolutely desperate for help (and, of course, all he did was make things worse, and quickly).
posted by Copronymus at 7:27 PM on February 25, 2018
posted by Copronymus at 7:27 PM on February 25, 2018
The Defiant has a holodeck. They used it to train with the Jem'Hadar in the episode "To The Death".
posted by Brocktoon at 8:38 PM on September 6, 2018
posted by Brocktoon at 8:38 PM on September 6, 2018
I don't think the Defiant has a holodeck. When they were training with the Jem’Hadar in the episode "To The Death" they conducted their drills in the Defiant's engine room.
posted by RichardP at 4:46 AM on September 7, 2018
posted by RichardP at 4:46 AM on September 7, 2018
> Now that I think about it, there wasn't a huge difference between the Defiant and contemporary Starfleet ships.
That's not really true. In addition to the holodeck, it's also established that the Defiant has relatively limited medical facilities. The quarters we see are pretty minimal - bunk beds and no extra space. Certainly no civilian facilities like the Enterprise-D: no Ten Forward, Arboretum, or barber shop (!).
It's not designed to be self-sustaining like the others, and it'd be pretty cramped and uncomfortable after a while. It's designed not just for raw offensive power, but also for most efficient use of resources needed build and operate it. In that light, I think it makes sense that it's a ship with a home base that it returns to frequently. Normally that's DS9, but we see the same pattern in these episodes where it's temporarily assigned to a different star base.
Voyager may not be as luxurious as the Enterprise-D, and both it and the Enterprise-E have increased firepower, but they still have comfortable living spaces and are designed to operate autonomously.
As for science missions, well, it's a lot better than a runabout, anyway. I doubt it has a dedicated Stellar Cartography section, something we see on both the Enterprise and Voyager.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 1:06 PM on June 25, 2023
That's not really true. In addition to the holodeck, it's also established that the Defiant has relatively limited medical facilities. The quarters we see are pretty minimal - bunk beds and no extra space. Certainly no civilian facilities like the Enterprise-D: no Ten Forward, Arboretum, or barber shop (!).
It's not designed to be self-sustaining like the others, and it'd be pretty cramped and uncomfortable after a while. It's designed not just for raw offensive power, but also for most efficient use of resources needed build and operate it. In that light, I think it makes sense that it's a ship with a home base that it returns to frequently. Normally that's DS9, but we see the same pattern in these episodes where it's temporarily assigned to a different star base.
Voyager may not be as luxurious as the Enterprise-D, and both it and the Enterprise-E have increased firepower, but they still have comfortable living spaces and are designed to operate autonomously.
As for science missions, well, it's a lot better than a runabout, anyway. I doubt it has a dedicated Stellar Cartography section, something we see on both the Enterprise and Voyager.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 1:06 PM on June 25, 2023
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posted by 2ht at 11:29 AM on July 18, 2016