Supernatural: All Along the Watchtower
September 16, 2017 9:56 AM - Season 12, Episode 23 - Subscribe
Lucifer battles Sam, Dean and Castiel for control of his unborn son.
Mark Sheppard isn't coming back and has made that pretty clear through his interviews - pretty sure Misha is.
Cannot wait for the backdoor pilot of Wayward Sisters!
posted by Suffocating Kitty at 7:59 AM on September 17, 2017
Cannot wait for the backdoor pilot of Wayward Sisters!
posted by Suffocating Kitty at 7:59 AM on September 17, 2017
No more Crowley? Boo. The stuff with Hell was boring and stupid, IMO, but I love Crowley anyway, and his interactions with the team always entertained me. I'm not sure the show could actually survive the loss of both him and Castiel, so it's good Mischa Collins is probably returning.
Apart from that... damn. The main thing I remember was being disappointed because I have an unpublished novel that used a similar effect to the nephilim to show off reality warping powers: footsteps melted into the ground. I was like, 'should've finished editing that and put it out ages ago.'
Oh, and also: I was wondering if this meant we'd get (a version of) Bobby back, or if alternate-universe Bobby was more of a one-off.
posted by mordax at 11:08 AM on September 17, 2017
Apart from that... damn. The main thing I remember was being disappointed because I have an unpublished novel that used a similar effect to the nephilim to show off reality warping powers: footsteps melted into the ground. I was like, 'should've finished editing that and put it out ages ago.'
Oh, and also: I was wondering if this meant we'd get (a version of) Bobby back, or if alternate-universe Bobby was more of a one-off.
posted by mordax at 11:08 AM on September 17, 2017
I'm hopeful for AU-Bobby, though I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I too remember being very anxious to discuss the finale and all kinds of excited and now, I can't remember all of the details, sadly.
I'm excited for the new season, though, and the possibility of Wayward Sisters. (Link for anyone who needs it).
posted by terilou at 2:35 PM on September 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
I too remember being very anxious to discuss the finale and all kinds of excited and now, I can't remember all of the details, sadly.
I'm excited for the new season, though, and the possibility of Wayward Sisters. (Link for anyone who needs it).
posted by terilou at 2:35 PM on September 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
Hadn't heard a thing about Wayward Sisters before this thread, so thanks for the heads up. I'll definitely be catching that. :)
posted by mordax at 4:00 PM on September 17, 2017
posted by mordax at 4:00 PM on September 17, 2017
Oh, Mordax, I feel you on somebody else scooping an idea. Happens to me all the time... even with this show! I was gonna call a body-swap thing "Swap Meat" before this show did it! In your case I think you could maybe tweak the idea a bit and still use it. I don't even remember the melting footsteps thing on the show, so I doubt many other folks would think of it either.
I'd be surprised if they don't do more with AU Bobby, assuming the actor is available. I was surprised they offed Crowley, but if we're being honest the character has been kind of spinning his wheels for a while. As great as MAS was in the role, it's kind of seemed like they were straining for stuff for him to do. (The same could arguably be said of Castiel, but if they wrote him out the fangirls would revolt and I would be there on the front lines.) I also wonder if they won't find some way to resurrect Crowley eventually too, even if it's just for the series finale or something.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 4:41 PM on September 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
I'd be surprised if they don't do more with AU Bobby, assuming the actor is available. I was surprised they offed Crowley, but if we're being honest the character has been kind of spinning his wheels for a while. As great as MAS was in the role, it's kind of seemed like they were straining for stuff for him to do. (The same could arguably be said of Castiel, but if they wrote him out the fangirls would revolt and I would be there on the front lines.) I also wonder if they won't find some way to resurrect Crowley eventually too, even if it's just for the series finale or something.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 4:41 PM on September 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
I'm not sure the show could actually survive the loss of both him and Castiel, so it's good Mischa Collins is probably returning.
I think Misha's only going t be around for another 3 seasons, but I wouldn't worry; ten seasons after that, you'll barely remember he was there.
I mean, come on, it's Supernatural: 20 million years from now, the arthopods who'll have replaced humanity as the Earth's dominant lifeform will be wondering if Krchk*crrk!Chk leaving will doom the show.
posted by happyroach at 7:04 PM on September 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
I think Misha's only going t be around for another 3 seasons, but I wouldn't worry; ten seasons after that, you'll barely remember he was there.
I mean, come on, it's Supernatural: 20 million years from now, the arthopods who'll have replaced humanity as the Earth's dominant lifeform will be wondering if Krchk*crrk!Chk leaving will doom the show.
posted by happyroach at 7:04 PM on September 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
Oh, Mordax, I feel you on somebody else scooping an idea. Happens to me all the time... even with this show!
Heh, this is a fair point. :)
posted by mordax at 8:36 PM on September 17, 2017
Heh, this is a fair point. :)
posted by mordax at 8:36 PM on September 17, 2017
I have no doubt we will be getting some Mirror Universe Bobby. The question is what kind of role he will play? My prediction... He loved killing angels and holds a grudge, so he may end up a sort of big-bad for the next season. The Winchesters are forced to team up with the angels to take down their former mentor and father figure? Sounds like Supernatural to me. It also continues the theme from last season of a human big-bad.
posted by 2ht at 8:49 AM on September 18, 2017
posted by 2ht at 8:49 AM on September 18, 2017
I'm excited to see how Cass will be revived this time. The fifth time is a milestone!
posted by numaner at 1:05 PM on September 19, 2017
posted by numaner at 1:05 PM on September 19, 2017
Quotes
Ikea call centre guy Sven: [on phone] I'm trying to help you, ma'am.
Kelly: Are you, Sven? Because if you ask me if I have the quarter-inch Allen wrench one more time, I am going to come down there and burn your giant Viking junkyard of a store to the ground! Do you understand?!
Sven: Are you sure it wasn't in the box?
Dean: Rowena's dead.
Crowley: Really?
Sam: Yeah, really. Lucifer.
Crowley: Funny. I always thought I'd be the one to kill her.
Crowley: I wanted to win. I perverted mother's spell, put Lucifer in a vessel of my own making because I wanted to win. You have any idea how many people have made a play for my throne over the years? Lucifer, Abaddon, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Too damn many. I thought if I could put the Devil on a leash... my own personal nuke, no one would ever dare challenge me again.
Dean: Yeah. That worked out great.
Crowley: All ended with me narrowly escaping death by hiding in a rat.
Mary: Wait. In an... actual rat?
Crowley: Wasn't too bad, really. Gave me time to think. You know, I've been focused for so long on keeping my job. Never realized I hate it. All those whining demons, the endless moan of damned souls, the paperwork! I mean, who wants that?
Crowley: Whenever there's a world-ending crisis at hand, I know where to place my bets. It's on you, you big, beautiful, lumbering piles of flannel.
Sam: Cass? What is that?
Castiel: It's a tear in space and time.
Dean: Uh, and that means?
Castiel: It's a doorway to another world.
Dean: Anoth – what, like Narnia?
Castiel: No. No, through there it's Earth, but...but different. It's a – it's an alternate reality.
Sam: So it's a Bizarro world? Or – or like the place we got zapped to where we were, uh, uh, actors on a TV show.
Dean: Oh, yeah. The supernatural wasn't real.
Sam: Yeah.
Dean: And you were Polish.
Sam: Right.
Bobby: Usually I gun down flyboys on sight. But, uh, he looked... different. Wasn't wearing a necklace made out of baby ears, for one thing.
Castiel: We got to talking about where I came from and our two worlds.
Bobby: From what he says, pretty much peaches and cream on your side.
Dean: Oh, I wouldn't say that. It's better than this.
Bobby: Well, I don't know. Ain't so bad here, if you like killing angels.
Sam: And you do?
Bobby: It's my hobby and my passion. So...I figured, it's only a matter of time before the dicks upstairs get wind of this. And when they show... me and Rufus go to work. He's loaded with a hundred rounds, cast from old angel blades.
Dean: Wait, angel-killing bullets? Awesome.
Castiel: ...
Dean: ...
Trivia
The title of this episode "All Along the Watchtower", is a reference to the 1967 song (of the same title) by Bob Dylan. Although it is Dylan's song it's strongly identified with the interpretation The Jimi Hendrix Experience recorded.
In 1996 Jensen Ackles appeared in a Sweet Valley High episode entitled "All Along the Water Tower".
This episode references "The French Mistake" (ep. 6.15).
posted by orange swan at 10:42 AM on February 3, 2022
Ikea call centre guy Sven: [on phone] I'm trying to help you, ma'am.
Kelly: Are you, Sven? Because if you ask me if I have the quarter-inch Allen wrench one more time, I am going to come down there and burn your giant Viking junkyard of a store to the ground! Do you understand?!
Sven: Are you sure it wasn't in the box?
Dean: Rowena's dead.
Crowley: Really?
Sam: Yeah, really. Lucifer.
Crowley: Funny. I always thought I'd be the one to kill her.
Crowley: I wanted to win. I perverted mother's spell, put Lucifer in a vessel of my own making because I wanted to win. You have any idea how many people have made a play for my throne over the years? Lucifer, Abaddon, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Too damn many. I thought if I could put the Devil on a leash... my own personal nuke, no one would ever dare challenge me again.
Dean: Yeah. That worked out great.
Crowley: All ended with me narrowly escaping death by hiding in a rat.
Mary: Wait. In an... actual rat?
Crowley: Wasn't too bad, really. Gave me time to think. You know, I've been focused for so long on keeping my job. Never realized I hate it. All those whining demons, the endless moan of damned souls, the paperwork! I mean, who wants that?
Crowley: Whenever there's a world-ending crisis at hand, I know where to place my bets. It's on you, you big, beautiful, lumbering piles of flannel.
Sam: Cass? What is that?
Castiel: It's a tear in space and time.
Dean: Uh, and that means?
Castiel: It's a doorway to another world.
Dean: Anoth – what, like Narnia?
Castiel: No. No, through there it's Earth, but...but different. It's a – it's an alternate reality.
Sam: So it's a Bizarro world? Or – or like the place we got zapped to where we were, uh, uh, actors on a TV show.
Dean: Oh, yeah. The supernatural wasn't real.
Sam: Yeah.
Dean: And you were Polish.
Sam: Right.
Bobby: Usually I gun down flyboys on sight. But, uh, he looked... different. Wasn't wearing a necklace made out of baby ears, for one thing.
Castiel: We got to talking about where I came from and our two worlds.
Bobby: From what he says, pretty much peaches and cream on your side.
Dean: Oh, I wouldn't say that. It's better than this.
Bobby: Well, I don't know. Ain't so bad here, if you like killing angels.
Sam: And you do?
Bobby: It's my hobby and my passion. So...I figured, it's only a matter of time before the dicks upstairs get wind of this. And when they show... me and Rufus go to work. He's loaded with a hundred rounds, cast from old angel blades.
Dean: Wait, angel-killing bullets? Awesome.
Castiel: ...
Dean: ...
Trivia
The title of this episode "All Along the Watchtower", is a reference to the 1967 song (of the same title) by Bob Dylan. Although it is Dylan's song it's strongly identified with the interpretation The Jimi Hendrix Experience recorded.
In 1996 Jensen Ackles appeared in a Sweet Valley High episode entitled "All Along the Water Tower".
This episode references "The French Mistake" (ep. 6.15).
posted by orange swan at 10:42 AM on February 3, 2022
My goodness, that was a lot of plot twists for one episode. Crowley dead (for good), Rowena dead, Castiel dead, Kelly dead, Mary and Lucifer trapped in an apocalyptic alternate universe. And then that first, creepy look at Jack. As it happened, I never liked Jack or his storyline, but this episode definitely shook things up and set up some intriguing possibilities for season 13.
Sam, Dean, and Castiel had their hands full with Kelly being in labour and with Lucifer due to show up any moment, but hey, why not check out an alternate universe?
It was satisfying seeing Lucifer basically throw a tantrum when he discovered he'd gotten sealed in the alternate, and sucky, universe.
I think Misha's only going t be around for another 3 seasons
What a prescient comment.:D
posted by orange swan at 10:50 AM on February 3, 2022
Sam, Dean, and Castiel had their hands full with Kelly being in labour and with Lucifer due to show up any moment, but hey, why not check out an alternate universe?
It was satisfying seeing Lucifer basically throw a tantrum when he discovered he'd gotten sealed in the alternate, and sucky, universe.
I think Misha's only going t be around for another 3 seasons
What a prescient comment.:D
posted by orange swan at 10:50 AM on February 3, 2022
I’m genuinely curious if, at this particular moment in time, Castiel really believes he’s someone who is “very good at following instructions.”
I’m already over earth 2 but in any universe, Sam and Dean are never more than five seconds from thinking Bobby is the coolest person ever.
I guess it’s technically true that Crowley and Lucifer have several seasons of legitimate beef with each other at this point, but that whole dynamic just feels so flat and devoid of stakes or meaning. Also, I always assumed that dungeony room was somewhere in Hell, so I guess this means there is at least one rat in Hell, which means this show is once again making me ask hauntingly unanswerable questions like what did that rat do?
posted by jameaterblues at 10:30 PM on May 16, 2022
I’m already over earth 2 but in any universe, Sam and Dean are never more than five seconds from thinking Bobby is the coolest person ever.
I guess it’s technically true that Crowley and Lucifer have several seasons of legitimate beef with each other at this point, but that whole dynamic just feels so flat and devoid of stakes or meaning. Also, I always assumed that dungeony room was somewhere in Hell, so I guess this means there is at least one rat in Hell, which means this show is once again making me ask hauntingly unanswerable questions like what did that rat do?
posted by jameaterblues at 10:30 PM on May 16, 2022
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posted by Ursula Hitler at 1:08 AM on September 17, 2017