Altered Carbon: The Wrong Man Show Only
February 18, 2018 10:57 PM - Season 1, Episode 5 - Subscribe
After learning his sleeve's identity, Kovacs demands the full story from Ortega. A tip from Poe leads to a major breakthrough in the Bancroft case.
Recaps:
Vulture: The Ghost Walker
Den of Geek: The Wrong Man
Decider:
Bleeding Cool: The Wrong Man
"If?!"
So Ryker had combat enhancements, or were they added to the sleeve in preparation for Tak?
Clone Island sounds tempting, and extremely illegal, and exactly the kind of depraved multi-sleeve weirdness I'd expect from a decadent immortal! Nobody's talked about re-integrating, so what about the copies - mulch 'em?
Speaking of decadent immortals, Laurens gets his jollies beathing women to death with his hands. [kinneman voice]This future is fucked up [/kinneman voice]
Laurens compared himself to a god, but as the frist generations of Meths, he's really Uranus (not Zeus) and is primed to get his genitals hacked off with a sickle.
MAX HEADROOM!
What is it with wealthy psychopaths and Klimt?
Tatted punk Dmi the Twin adorable grandma!
NOOO SAMIR!
Where is the voice that said altered carbon would free us from the cells of our flesh?
Recaps:
Vulture: The Ghost Walker
Den of Geek: The Wrong Man
Decider:
Bleeding Cool: The Wrong Man
"If?!"
So Ryker had combat enhancements, or were they added to the sleeve in preparation for Tak?
Clone Island sounds tempting, and extremely illegal, and exactly the kind of depraved multi-sleeve weirdness I'd expect from a decadent immortal! Nobody's talked about re-integrating, so what about the copies - mulch 'em?
Speaking of decadent immortals, Laurens gets his jollies beathing women to death with his hands. [kinneman voice]This future is fucked up [/kinneman voice]
Laurens compared himself to a god, but as the frist generations of Meths, he's really Uranus (not Zeus) and is primed to get his genitals hacked off with a sickle.
MAX HEADROOM!
What is it with wealthy psychopaths and Klimt?
Tatted punk Dmi the Twin adorable grandma!
NOOO SAMIR!
Where is the voice that said altered carbon would free us from the cells of our flesh?
Uh. I spent a lot of episode thinking where I knew Carnage from. Now I feel very, very dumb.*
Also, I don't think there are many actors who can pull off magnificent bastard as James Purefoy. Throughout the whole show he gets the tone of and immortal, impossibly rich god-like figure as well as I expected from him in Rome.
Clone Island sounds tempting, and extremely illegal, and exactly the kind of depraved multi-sleeve weirdness I'd expect from a decadent immortal! Nobody's talked about re-integrating, so what about the copies - mulch 'em?
Heh, they probably stay there for some Dr. Manhattan-style sex weirdness. Until they get too old, probably.
*Then again, most of my exposure to Max Headroom was the signal intrusion and the Paranoimia videoclip, because I don't recall it being broadcast here, and there's so much TV I can watch. Which is why I didn't watch he Following, coming to think of it.
posted by lmfsilva at 12:46 PM on February 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also, I don't think there are many actors who can pull off magnificent bastard as James Purefoy. Throughout the whole show he gets the tone of and immortal, impossibly rich god-like figure as well as I expected from him in Rome.
Clone Island sounds tempting, and extremely illegal, and exactly the kind of depraved multi-sleeve weirdness I'd expect from a decadent immortal! Nobody's talked about re-integrating, so what about the copies - mulch 'em?
Heh, they probably stay there for some Dr. Manhattan-style sex weirdness. Until they get too old, probably.
*Then again, most of my exposure to Max Headroom was the signal intrusion and the Paranoimia videoclip, because I don't recall it being broadcast here, and there's so much TV I can watch. Which is why I didn't watch he Following, coming to think of it.
posted by lmfsilva at 12:46 PM on February 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Well that was fucked up.
The son seems too easy a suspect. We learned about a daughter using the mother's sleeve (one of, anyway), so naturally we'd suspect this. Then again his constant incompetence is a pretty good smokescreen.
posted by ODiV at 12:22 AM on February 21, 2018
The son seems too easy a suspect. We learned about a daughter using the mother's sleeve (one of, anyway), so naturally we'd suspect this. Then again his constant incompetence is a pretty good smokescreen.
posted by ODiV at 12:22 AM on February 21, 2018
Something that bugged me about the daughter - had we seen her at any point prior to that? I mean I understand casting and keeping overhead low and shit, but there any number of non-speaking meths at the various events that y'know, having a female child in the family retinue couldn't have added much more.
posted by Kyol at 6:37 AM on February 21, 2018
posted by Kyol at 6:37 AM on February 21, 2018
They apparently have over a hundred kids? If I'm remembering that right? But yeah I don't think we've met or really even noticed any others.
posted by ODiV at 3:25 PM on February 21, 2018
posted by ODiV at 3:25 PM on February 21, 2018
The thing that really bothers me is - there's a lot of security that supposedly is tied to DNA, or what have you. But if you can switch sleeves all the time, then that is the stupidest form of security there is. Why would that even exist or be desireable? It means someone could simply kill your stack and then go into you and have all your stuff.
posted by corb at 2:04 PM on February 23, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by corb at 2:04 PM on February 23, 2018 [5 favorites]
Or just steal some of you and clone your spit/blood for fraud.
posted by ODiV at 3:11 PM on February 23, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by ODiV at 3:11 PM on February 23, 2018 [1 favorite]
Isn't cloning prohibitively expensive? Plus, since they live above the clouds, I'm guessing the only ones they have to fear are each other, which is why (not sure if it was discussed at this point, so I'm going to type very small) his kids get nothing if something happens to his stack.
posted by lmfsilva at 8:32 AM on February 24, 2018
posted by lmfsilva at 8:32 AM on February 24, 2018
Could anyone make heads or tails of the scene where Bancroft monologues about the gravitas of an older-looking sleeve while glad-handing poor people and then dying?
Near as I can tell, these people got exposed to a bioweapon that, I guess, doesn't kill them (quickly) but causes everyone they touch to die within minutes? And they got rounded up into camps? And every now and then Bancroft goes into one and gets his sleeve infected so they can all watch it die?
I have no idea what's going on here.
posted by d. z. wang at 11:12 PM on March 30, 2018
Near as I can tell, these people got exposed to a bioweapon that, I guess, doesn't kill them (quickly) but causes everyone they touch to die within minutes? And they got rounded up into camps? And every now and then Bancroft goes into one and gets his sleeve infected so they can all watch it die?
I have no idea what's going on here.
posted by d. z. wang at 11:12 PM on March 30, 2018
Bancroft has a Jesus complex? Hanging around with the lepers and all that, dies, and then is resurrected.
posted by lmfsilva at 5:40 AM on March 31, 2018
posted by lmfsilva at 5:40 AM on March 31, 2018
It's funny to have this conversation on Easter Sunday.
Coming back to this after having watched the rest of the series, I think the answer is, I can't make sense of it because it doesn't make sense. These people are supposed to be the descendants of the original patients, but how did those people survive long enough to reproduce? Why would anyone design a bioweapon that spreads by touch instead of air? Why are the super-contagious descendants of that plague being interned in an open-air camp where the guards don't even have gloves? The worldbuilding is just lazy.
I had such high hopes for this series, but it's turned out to be such a mess.
posted by d. z. wang at 4:14 PM on April 1, 2018 [2 favorites]
Coming back to this after having watched the rest of the series, I think the answer is, I can't make sense of it because it doesn't make sense. These people are supposed to be the descendants of the original patients, but how did those people survive long enough to reproduce? Why would anyone design a bioweapon that spreads by touch instead of air? Why are the super-contagious descendants of that plague being interned in an open-air camp where the guards don't even have gloves? The worldbuilding is just lazy.
I had such high hopes for this series, but it's turned out to be such a mess.
posted by d. z. wang at 4:14 PM on April 1, 2018 [2 favorites]
What was really interesting, though, is, when we first meet the character, my brain kept flipping between thinking it was Matt Frewer or Jim Carey. Squint and you can see them both in the character.
I've never seen Max Headroom and I have no idea who Matt Frewer is, so I was 100% sure that Carnage was played by Jim Carey until I read this comment.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 1:09 PM on March 25, 2019
I've never seen Max Headroom and I have no idea who Matt Frewer is, so I was 100% sure that Carnage was played by Jim Carey until I read this comment.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 1:09 PM on March 25, 2019
Apparently Matt Frewer was the voice of Lloyd Christmas in the Dumb and Dumber cartoon if you need another reason to confuse him with Jim Carey.
posted by RobotHero at 8:40 AM on February 27, 2020
posted by RobotHero at 8:40 AM on February 27, 2020
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Frewer pops-up in some of the most unexpected places. This particular reveal actually seemed purposely designed to evoke (invoke?) Headroom. And, Frewer really sells it, too. I half expected him to look at the camera and give us a knowing wink.
What was really interesting, though, is, when we first meet the character, my brain kept flipping between thinking it was Matt Frewer or Jim Carey. Squint and you can see them both in the character.
posted by Thorzdad at 11:01 AM on February 19, 2018 [1 favorite]