Special Event: Super Bowl LIII

February 3, 2019 2:11 PM

Here’s your discussion thread for today’s Super Bowl! (Los Angeles Rams vs New England Patriots)
posted by restless_nomad (91 comments total)

🏈🏈🏈 Blitz for Six 🏈🏈🏈
posted by TWinbrook8 at 2:58 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

This ad is a thing I am not looking forward to . . . at all.
posted by chainsofreedom at 3:12 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

How to Say “Super Bowl” When You’re Not a Super Bowl Sponsor
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:15 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I am so pumped about this game. Go Patriots!!!
posted by Fig at 3:17 PM on February 3, 2019

Holy cow the Pats have got the stadium packed out. One voice here chipping in in favour of the non-MAGA affiliated side
posted by ominous_paws at 3:21 PM on February 3, 2019

The orchestral backdrop seems really unnecessary, but Gladys looks and sounds amazing.
posted by Fig at 3:26 PM on February 3, 2019

Woot interception! I am cheering for NE to lose, so I'm glad to see the turnover.
posted by Gray Duck at 3:37 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I see the refs have finally just gone and made stopping a New England player against the rules.
posted by Justinian at 3:47 PM on February 3, 2019 [5 favorites]

Aayyyyyyyyy.
posted by Fig at 3:58 PM on February 3, 2019

How to Say “Super Bowl” When You’re Not a Super Bowl Sponsor

I am very excited to see your Superb Owl.
posted by biffa at 4:15 PM on February 3, 2019

Environment Canada glad to see everyone so excited about Superb Owls today.
posted by Justinian at 4:18 PM on February 3, 2019 [5 favorites]

Best. Game of Thrones. Commercial. Ever.
posted by ZeusHumms at 4:19 PM on February 3, 2019 [6 favorites]

We're flogging the ground beneath the final dead flecks of the feathers of the owl joke, then.
posted by ominous_paws at 4:27 PM on February 3, 2019

I'm watching the Canadian broadcast, which has local ads, and they just showed this ad, which is a refreshing change from most car ads.

(it's from the auto workers union; GM announced plans to close their plant in Oshawa recently.)
posted by Homeboy Trouble at 4:35 PM on February 3, 2019 [7 favorites]

Best. Game of Thrones. Commercial. Ever.
posted by ZeusHumms at 4:19 PM on February 3 [3 favorites +] [!]

Counterpoint, worst commercial ever. I don't think I want to watch the rest of the broadcast (I am not watching for the game), and I'm rethinking my interest in the rest of GoT. Fucking gross.
posted by mwhybark at 4:36 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I get to watch this in the UK, on the BBC - so there's the great commentary by the usual BBC commentators, with bonus Mike Carlson; and also of Tony Romo's analysis.... when his microphone is plugged in... I'll catch up with the adverts on YouTube tomorrow ;)
posted by DancingYear at 4:41 PM on February 3, 2019

I am going to bed now. The Patriots have scored one measly kick,and it’s nearly half time! Even though I’ve only been following the sport for five years this feels like the most boring ass Super Bowl Evah.

::grump::
posted by Faintdreams at 4:43 PM on February 3, 2019 [4 favorites]

That chunky milk was fucking gross. And yeah, this is kind of boring. Hopefully the second half is better.
posted by Fig at 4:46 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

Yeah, this game is kind of dull. Moving right along though.
posted by Gray Duck at 4:46 PM on February 3, 2019

Is anyone switching back and forth between the Superbowl and the Puppy bowl? I don't have cable and, for the first time ever, I kind of wish I did. How are the puppies doing?
posted by Gray Duck at 4:50 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Petitioning the NFL to replace “too many men on the field” with “too many dicks on the dance floor”.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 4:52 PM on February 3, 2019 [15 favorites]

I really didn't know until this week that the Rams had moved back to LA. I guess that I've drifted away from Football more than I realized.
posted by octothorpe at 4:52 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

I'm watching at a surprisingly low-energy bar in Waltham, MA. I'm no Pats fan, but at least last time it was fun to be around people who were excited, tonight I might just head home sometime in the third quarter. And the only reason I might wait that long is to make sure no one mistakenly thinks I was hanging around just to watch Maroon 5.
posted by solotoro at 4:55 PM on February 3, 2019 [5 favorites]

What's the over/under on number of punts in this game?
posted by nubs at 4:57 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I am just watching the rerun of the puppy bowl and keeping an eye on this thread, because the Patriots and Stan Kroenke are both terrible.

The puppy bowl is delightful and there is a lot more offense happening than in the football.

Is Tony Romo having a good time? I was indifferent to him as a player but think he is a great announcer, and my only regret in not watching this Super Bowl is missing his first Super Bowl as an announcer.
posted by the primroses were over at 4:58 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

Romo seems to be having fun. He both predicted and blamed Jim Nantz for Gostkowski missing the first field goal.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 5:04 PM on February 3, 2019 [5 favorites]

The Pats are my team, Rhode Island born and bred, 20 minutes from Foxboro. My movie theatre is in Patriot Place. I’ve eaten dinner at Foxwoods at a table next to Gronk and his party bus people and I have the hugest crush on Julian Edelman.

I am totally meh about this game. I’ve been reading a book between commercials. Speaking of, I had to avert my eyes during chunky milk. Even typing those words made me gag. The robot child was terrifying. I really liked The Handmaid’s Tale ad.

Also, solotoro, generally speaking, Pats fans are pessimistic fuckers during the first half. We spend the first half talking about they’re playing like shit and being depressed, and then in the second half, when the Pats stop playing like shit, we get a lot more into it. That’s how we roll.

Also also, Adam Levine sounds like crap.
posted by Ruki at 5:09 PM on February 3, 2019 [4 favorites]

But I am delighted that the internet actually managed to get the SpongeBob bit in.
posted by Ruki at 5:14 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Does he really keep swearing, or are they being paranoid cutting out the sound? Also the cartoon was wicked cheesy, but I like the meteorite wreckage.
posted by Fig at 5:14 PM on February 3, 2019

I don’t have any strong feelings about Maroon 5 beyond liking their first album, but their songs just don’t fill up a stadium in the right way.
posted by PussKillian at 5:14 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Oh shit, I forgot the SpongeBob thing -- retract my previous comment.
posted by Fig at 5:16 PM on February 3, 2019

I was sure that I'd heard Maroon 5 before but I'm not recognizing any of these songs.
posted by octothorpe at 5:17 PM on February 3, 2019

HAH! FUR AND A HUGE CAR as Big Bois entrance. I am dead.
posted by Fig at 5:19 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

The trajectory of this game makes a lot more sense when you realize the winner is, at some level, going to be expected to spend an afternoon with Donald Trump.
posted by East14thTaco at 5:19 PM on February 3, 2019 [24 favorites]

But the burgers and pizza, paid for out of Trumps own pocket!
posted by nubs at 5:28 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

Kraft and Brady don’t need to win the Super Bowl to hang out with Trump, though.
posted by Ruki at 5:35 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

First half was so boring, I fell asleep. The Maroon 5 show sounded like crap and was so bland it hurt.
I usually enjoy watching the game by myself at home, tweeting about commercials. But this is pretty sad and bland all around.
posted by gemmy at 5:35 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I wonder if Kraft has ever asked Trump to get his ring back from Putin. Things that make you go hmmm...
posted by Ruki at 5:36 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Hekker's the MVP so far.
posted by jenkinsEar at 5:49 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

Right now there is a guy sitting in the sports book at Harrah's in Lake Tahoe with a bourbon and water in one hand and his prop bet slip with the over for punts and he is the happiest he has been in YEARS.
posted by East14thTaco at 5:54 PM on February 3, 2019 [8 favorites]

Luke Wilson? WTF?
posted by skewed at 5:56 PM on February 3, 2019

That was a nice kick, though.
posted by gemmy at 6:04 PM on February 3, 2019

I wonder if they have copyright protection for the phrase "Super Bore"...
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:14 PM on February 3, 2019

That feeling when you run with the ball loosely cradled in one arm inside your own 10 and the completely expected result occurs. At least the sideline saved his ass.
posted by Justinian at 6:17 PM on February 3, 2019

FINALLY .
posted by Fig at 6:35 PM on February 3, 2019

Maybe we'll get some sort of a game in the last 7 minutes?
posted by gemmy at 6:36 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Ah yes the 10-3 defensive battle that everyone predicted.
posted by Carillon at 6:45 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

CBS sports streaming app crashed for everyone using Roku for about five minutes during the 4th quarter. Great look, CBS.
posted by skewed at 7:00 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

Well. That was... something that was on tv tonight.
posted by Ruki at 7:04 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Oh barf.
posted by Gray Duck at 7:04 PM on February 3, 2019

lol worst super bowl ever
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:04 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

:D
posted by Fig at 7:05 PM on February 3, 2019

A hot take from the internet: "Both teams are playing like they know the winners have to visit the White House"
posted by DoctorFedora at 7:08 PM on February 3, 2019 [12 favorites]

okay, couldn't get onto the bar's wifi because it was devoted to streaming the game but now back at the guesthouse, wooooooeeeeeee!
posted by TWinbrook8 at 7:25 PM on February 3, 2019

It was all downhill from the national anthem, and that didn’t even have any pips.
posted by zachlipton at 7:31 PM on February 3, 2019 [4 favorites]

A hot take from the internet: "Both teams are playing like they know the winners have to visit the White House"

Well it's nice to feel wanted.

Also that was another nail in the NFL's coffin tonight. You can't let your National Event Once A Year Championship Game be...whatever that was.
posted by East14thTaco at 7:33 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

Hard to remember a worse bed-shitting than tonight's Rams.

Whenever there's a low-scoring game, there's always an old white dude like "oooh, defensive struggle!" But this wasn't even that. The Rams' defense was crap, too. MVP probably should have been Stephon Gilmore.
posted by kevinbelt at 7:34 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

I see I didn't miss anything by sleeping and catching up on CW shows, then?
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:39 PM on February 3, 2019

Apparently contrary to a lot of the above... I really enjoyed that. I'm looking forward to the analysis - sleep well all, see you... next week for the AAF?
posted by DancingYear at 7:43 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

I am strangely excited for the AAF.
posted by kevinbelt at 7:45 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

I made Yorkshire pudding, and got it right on the very first try!

My partner was like, “What is this? A Beignet?”

And I was like, “No, it’s Yorkshire pudding!”

And she was like, “Who won the superbowl?”

And I was like “I don’t know, but the joke is they’re playing like they know whoever wins has to go see Trump”

and she laughed and laughed, and then was like “How is this so light and fluffy without any leavening?”

And I said “It’s a superbowl miracle.”
posted by valkane at 8:13 PM on February 3, 2019 [16 favorites]

I liked that ASMR finally hit the big time.
posted by M-x shell at 8:28 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

That was a great game!

For punt fans.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:47 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Man the NFL skewed the rules so much this year to give the audience so much offense, that they ran out of all of their offense right before the season ran out!

Except the offense of not even giving a nod to Kaepernick while patting themselves on the back.

But since it's MA state law to be a Pats fan, I thoroughly enjoyed this game—it was very tense. And I hope Tom Brady plays until he's 67.
posted by not_on_display at 8:49 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

Realized I needed milk in the third, Stop & Shop was really empty.
posted by sammyo at 8:51 PM on February 3, 2019 [3 favorites]

Patriots, Rams combine for 16 points in lowest-scoring Super Bowl

that’s espn’s headline and it’s clickbait, because it doesn’t tell you that the patriots won. I will not link to the article, but for the sake of thread, yeah, patriots won, 13-3.

and my Yorkshire pudding thingy was a true story.
posted by valkane at 8:51 PM on February 3, 2019 [1 favorite]

New England fans are over the moon in that there was a tightly-contested defensive slug-fest. I mean, Bill's defensive scheme for the NY Giant's win is in Canton way ahead of the man himself. He set aside any petty conflicts, and worked with future Miami Dolphins head coach, Brian Flores, and a bunch of role-players and never-weres to execute a perfect game. NE fans LOVE a technical championship.

Talib. Donald. Suh. Defensive Gods with a Wade Phillips gameplan. It almost worked.

But they were up against Brady and a guy in a tennis visor who wasn't coaching Oakland.

Seven is coming.

In my little town-by-the-sea, there's a family with an 18th CE barnhouse with a number of immaculately restored classic cars, and a "HRC" campaign sign they never bothered to take down. There's a 20' tall portrait of Tom Brady painted on canvas, taking up the entire north-facing side of the house. There are some fair-weather fans, no doubt. Most of us remember having great QBs and crummy play-callers and no D to speak of.

New England really does know how good we got it. Let us gloat a little.
posted by Slap*Happy at 9:15 PM on February 3, 2019 [4 favorites]

Shoulda had the saints instead. That would have been a game.
posted by eustatic at 10:25 PM on February 3, 2019 [2 favorites]

I am late to the fact that that was actually the real Andy Warhol in the Burger King commercial, using archival footage of him eating a burger, and not, as I assumed, someone doing a dead-on Warhol imitation. Who knew?
posted by gingerbeer at 10:51 PM on February 3, 2019 [4 favorites]

gingerbeer, I thought it was an impersonator, too! Why was Andy Warhol filmed eating a Whopper, I wonder? I did appreciate the 70s era packaging. It was not styrofoam, which also surprised me.
posted by Stewriffic at 5:17 AM on February 4, 2019

Realized I needed milk in the third, Stop & Shop was really empty.

I'm reminded of the time I was driving home from an out-of-state trip, on a route that took me over the Koscuiuszko Bridge - a notoriously crowded traffic bottleneck. But it was Super Bowl Sunday that year, and I was driving during the game - and I was one of maybe five cars on it and crossed the bridge in less than a minute.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:58 AM on February 4, 2019

Counterpoint, worst commercial ever. I don't think I want to watch the rest of the broadcast (I am not watching for the game), and I'm rethinking my interest in the rest of GoT. Fucking gross.

Not having watched the commercial but hearing it was some kind of Budweiser crossover, what was gross about it ?
posted by Pendragon at 6:38 AM on February 4, 2019

When I saw the commercial in question, on seeing the blue knight (representing beer made by a shitty multinational) getting taken out by a mysterious antagonist I shouted "Homebrew!" at the screen. For certain styles, the beer a decent home brewer can make is better than any packaged beer I can buy.

And regarding the Bud Light ads disparaging other brewers for using corn syrup, Stan Hieronymous has a nice article on this that beer geeks might appreciate.
posted by exogenous at 6:50 AM on February 4, 2019

We loved the Bud Light / GOT ad. Laffed for a good while.
posted by M-x shell at 6:55 AM on February 4, 2019

The NFL 100 ad and Gladys Knights' pipes were the only good things yesterday.

I would like to count Big Boi but we only got enough Big Boi to make it really painful when they switched back to Maroon 5.
posted by whuppy at 7:02 AM on February 4, 2019 [3 favorites]

EmpressCallipygos....I can confirm that was just as true yesterday. Made it from Bed-Stuy to the GWB in about 45 minutes.
posted by kokaku at 7:42 AM on February 4, 2019

While I'm never happy to see New England win another title, I think I could have at least enjoyed this as a defensive chess match/slugfest if the Rams offense hadn't been so completely worthless. Their defense vs. the Pats offense was great, but Goff & co. were completely outschemed and just flailed around ineffectually. I hate the "Guy X is playing chess while Guy Y is playing checkers" metaphor, but it fits here.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:05 AM on February 4, 2019 [2 favorites]

i won both the 3rd and 4th qtr of our Super Bowl pot, ate a bunch of jalapeno poppers, drank some beer, hung out with friends, played with cute puppies and enjoyed the budweiser commercial filmed about an hour from where i live.

successful night - sounds like the key was not paying much attention to the actual game.
posted by domino at 8:19 AM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

Gladys was transcendent. Glorious, no frills anthem sung perfectly.

Half time show was dull; I am condemned for Super Bowl eternity to have a deep ache that comes from missing Prince while some hacks flail around on a fiery stage.

Best ads: Microsoft adaptive gaming, Chance/Backstreet, WaPo just for the sentiment, NFL 100, and damn if I didn't cry buckets at the Anthony Lynn/first responders spot, mostly because his reaction was so genuine and I love me some Anthony Lynn.

Best moment: when Aquib Talib, who I cannot stand, left the captains handshake circle to pay his respects to Rev Dr King, John Lewis, and Andrew Young. As far as I noticed, he's the only one who acknowledged them.
posted by donnagirl at 8:23 AM on February 4, 2019 [4 favorites]

Stewriffic: "gingerbeer, I thought it was an impersonator, too! Why was Andy Warhol filmed eating a Whopper, I wonder? I did appreciate the 70s era packaging. It was not styrofoam, which also surprised me."

From Slate:

The footage was shot in 1982 by Danish documentarian Jørgen Leth for his film 66 Scenes From America, an experimental collage made up of postcard-like vignettes of American life, from a bartender making drinks at Sardi’s to, well, Andy Warhol eating a Burger King burger.

posted by octothorpe at 9:05 AM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

I'm usually pretty grossed out by the use of dead people to sell garbage but I'm pretty sure that Andy would think that it was funny.
posted by octothorpe at 9:07 AM on February 4, 2019 [8 favorites]

I only watched the second half, but it was a pretty decent game from that point on. Football games are fairly boring in general if you don't have a rooting interest or are not a die hard fan of the sport, so it really has to be a good game to please the crowds that come out to watch one game a year. And it's only recently that we've had a run of actually exciting games in the super bowl. From the mid 80's or so, there were like two decades worth of mostly blowouts losses and a statistically ridiculous 13-game win streak by the NFC (headlined seven losses by the Bills and Broncos). As much as I'd like to be a witness to the NFL's demise, one sub-mediocre Super Bowl is really nothing for them to worry about.
posted by skewed at 9:09 AM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

> New England really does know how good we got it. Let us gloat a little.

Yeah, I think that we have been very lucky to have grown up in a time when Boston teams didn't suck for the most part. The 80's Celts and the modern Red Sox are close—but Brady/Belicheck's six wins is a record that's likely to stand for decades, and the longevity has been really euphoric. Also since Football season is 5 months long and based on 18-19 games, instead of eight months & 170ish games, each game is all the more critical. So to have this kind of team with such strong leadership over such a long period of time... yeah, us adults appreciate it, especially having grown up with the worst Pats teams, some sucky Red Sox teams, and wildly variable hockey and basketball.

...and even though we've had championship teams before, we've never had a GOAT since Ted Williams. Tom Brady is our Ted Williams, but he also comes with Championship rings.

As for the "They don't need to win Super Bowls to have dinner with Trump" — true, but I watch football like I watch TV: because you don't know where the plot's gonna go, and each story is different. Actors and football players should get kicked off the show if they do something heinous in real life. But I could give a fuck what their political views are off-the-stage (to a point; I still would punch a Nazi, but I wouldn't punch a Nazi tight end cause I'd get pummelled and get my crotch grabbed without consent at the same time.

Still, was cringey to watch them try to brush "non-WASP lives matter" under the rug, and trotting out people like John Lewis to do so was even creepier. Lots of NFL players to very well in giving back to their communities, yes, but that doesn't erase the big elephant in the room.

Anyway, happy and grateful have seen a time when Boston Sports didn't suck. My grandfather died happy in 2004 after watching the Sox break that particular curse. I'm glad I won't have to wait until I'm 96.
posted by not_on_display at 10:14 AM on February 4, 2019 [3 favorites]

what was gross about it ?

It reprised (offscreen) the ending of the season-ender duel between Oberyn Martell and The Mountain and then transitioned into GoT logo/music stuff.

In a show full of horrifying moments, that is the most horrifying one.* The three way combo of a full-on beer ad crossover with GoT, a spectacularly gruesome scene from the show, and, you know, the NFL, where just a month ago I watched a man's leg break in slow motion replay, was not to my taste.

*Well, a father burning his little girl to death was possibly more horrifying but less gruesomely presented. Why do I watch that show, anyway?
posted by mwhybark at 12:25 PM on February 4, 2019

Watching on overseas cable/satellite/streaming in jury-rigged setups in bars, usually the ads and halftime show are blocked out but yesterday we saw most of them, not all. Laughed at the GoT one, was the only one who recognised Andy Warhol but didn't recognise most of the players in the NFL one. People applauded the WaPo ad which was unexpected and moving (that people clapped, I mean).
posted by TWinbrook8 at 2:37 PM on February 4, 2019

just wanted to include the best part: This is enough for two:

1/3 cup flour
1/3 cup milk
1 egg
pinch salt

whip up the wet, add dry until just slightly mixed, then let it rest for at least a half an hour.

oven at 430, and grease and add a tsp of oil to ramekins (or muffin pan) and then heat those up in oven BEFORE adding batter. Once your oil is getting to the smoke point, add batter and bake 16-20 minutes.

watch that oven, they can burn, quick. this is my recipe based on about 4 different ones that I consulted.

they work both sweet and savory. the tops are crispy, and the insides are eggy/chewy, very much like cloufoutis. in fact the next time I make em I’m gonna add blueberries and powdered sugar.
posted by valkane at 5:01 PM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

Why was Andy Warhol filmed eating a Whopper, I wonder?

The bigger question is why Burger King would spend eleventeen million dollars to show thirty seconds of a burger being prepared for noshing by a cult artist who died 32 years ago. We all recall the famous Super Bowl ad in 1988 where we watched Jackson Pollock eating a bologna sandwich.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:02 PM on February 4, 2019 [3 favorites]

Is Tony Romo having a good time? I was indifferent to him as a player but think he is a great announcer, and my only regret in not watching this Super Bowl is missing his first Super Bowl as an announcer.

Tony Romo is the only reason I watch football live broadcasts these days. Otherwise I just prefer the youtube highlight clips that the NFL puts out and the special analysis clips they do.
posted by srboisvert at 6:46 PM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

I also have to say I was disappointed at how little epistemological confusion there was in this superbowl. There was not a single "What even is a catch LOL I dunno" moment.
posted by srboisvert at 6:47 PM on February 4, 2019 [1 favorite]

Late to the party (I still forget we do sports on MeFi now), but I will say that it was actually a good game along one axis - punting. I really wish Romo and Nantz had called more attention to the fact that these two excellent punters matched each other kick for kick with absolute masterpieces inside the 10 - and often the 5 - yard line. It is no coincidence that ther was only one (1) play in the Red Zone during the game - each team was faced with a long field nearly every time they touched the ball. It's not something even diehard fans appreciate all that much, so I imagine the casual fan watching this game had no idea what they were witnessing. Not to mention the fact that Hekker and Allen actually competed as walk-ons for a shot at a scholarship to Oregon State back in 2008 (that article amazingly foreshadows the battle we ended up getting).
posted by Rock Steady at 1:35 PM on February 5, 2019 [8 favorites]

just got around to watching it yesterday. most boring game ever. did manage to win our yearly bet because my SO chose the Rams because "the animal can be cute and fluffy" - that got me a popcorn the next time we are at the cinema (our standard bet). I have never seen Maroon 5 live, but that guy's voice must be MEGA-tuned in the studio post-recording, because that was such a bad performance. what did stand out for me was HOW HARD Verizon was attempting to get back into everyone's good graces after their total, life endangering, fiasco in cutting off firefighters data connections last year. I was really heavy-handed I felt.
posted by alchemist at 4:08 AM on February 6, 2019 [2 favorites]