The Good Wife: The Trial
November 23, 2014 7:42 PM - Season 6, Episode 10 - Subscribe
As Cary's case goes to trial, he considers a plea deal involving jail time; a joke gets Alicia in trouble as her campaign progresses.
Wow, you were fast, I created a post one minute later and it was deleted.
I don't really understand the Bishop thing either - does he have an inside man? Who would that be? That doesn't really make sense... although he doesn't seem terribly worried about prosecution.
I wonder if they're going to have a twist where Cary accepts the deal but gets cold feet and runs off to Europe before he's taken into custody. I haven't seen any rumors that Matt Czuchry wants off the show but I don't really seek out that kind of stuff.
The part about the juror was especially interesting to me since I'm hard of hearing. It'd be a totally valid point for me to raise if I got called for jury duty again.
posted by desjardins at 7:57 PM on November 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
I don't really understand the Bishop thing either - does he have an inside man? Who would that be? That doesn't really make sense... although he doesn't seem terribly worried about prosecution.
I wonder if they're going to have a twist where Cary accepts the deal but gets cold feet and runs off to Europe before he's taken into custody. I haven't seen any rumors that Matt Czuchry wants off the show but I don't really seek out that kind of stuff.
The part about the juror was especially interesting to me since I'm hard of hearing. It'd be a totally valid point for me to raise if I got called for jury duty again.
posted by desjardins at 7:57 PM on November 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm confused - Bishop saying "four years" to Cary means he knows about the plea deal somehow, no? Cary is facing a 15-year sentence as far as he should know.
Spumor has it that the current SA (the guy Alicia was initially running against) is in cahoots with Bishop. If that's true, Bishop got the info straight from the horse's mouth.
Bishop and his inside man may not have any awareness/control over Geneva Pine and her messy adultery situation though. If it gets out, that could be Cary's get-out-of-jail-free card. It seems like a random plot point to have introduced for no reason.
posted by fuse theorem at 8:15 PM on November 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
Spumor has it that the current SA (the guy Alicia was initially running against) is in cahoots with Bishop. If that's true, Bishop got the info straight from the horse's mouth.
Bishop and his inside man may not have any awareness/control over Geneva Pine and her messy adultery situation though. If it gets out, that could be Cary's get-out-of-jail-free card. It seems like a random plot point to have introduced for no reason.
posted by fuse theorem at 8:15 PM on November 23, 2014 [1 favorite]
I would be able to sleep much better tonight if I could convince all the nooks of my brain that Cary Argos is not a real person and The Good Wife is just a TV show. I was just absolutely gutted by the ending and I can't seem to shake it off.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:10 PM on November 23, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:10 PM on November 23, 2014 [4 favorites]
I'm confused - Bishop saying "four years" to Cary means he knows about the plea deal somehow, no? Cary is facing a 15-year sentence as far as he should know.
One of the things the prosecution was trying to hang on Cary was the allegation that Cary was working for Bishop while an ASA. As Cary was not doing that, it follows that someone else was Bishop's source in the SA's office, and that person is still at large.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:41 AM on November 24, 2014 [5 favorites]
One of the things the prosecution was trying to hang on Cary was the allegation that Cary was working for Bishop while an ASA. As Cary was not doing that, it follows that someone else was Bishop's source in the SA's office, and that person is still at large.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:41 AM on November 24, 2014 [5 favorites]
Bishop and his inside man may not have any awareness/control over Geneva Pine and her messy adultery situation though. If it gets out, that could be Cary's get-out-of-jail-free card.
If he hadn't taken a plea, it could have been grounds for a mistrial. But he took a plea.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:44 AM on November 24, 2014
If he hadn't taken a plea, it could have been grounds for a mistrial. But he took a plea.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 1:44 AM on November 24, 2014
The AV Club recap doesn't mention Bishop's line to Cary, and I didn't see it coming up at the start of their comment thread. When I watched the episode, I thought for sure that Cary would immediately tell Alicia about it when he got out of the elevator, and they'd have to figure out some way to use it as leverage against the DA's office without violating attorney-client privilege. I don't think the writers would show us Cary taking a guilty plea as the final shot just to walk it back to something else when we get back from hiatus. But I'm used to The Good Wife characters outmaneuvering each other with their brains, so it's driving me nuts to feel like the characters are missing something obvious enough for me to notice.
posted by oh yeah! at 5:34 AM on November 24, 2014
posted by oh yeah! at 5:34 AM on November 24, 2014
wait, what hiatus??
posted by desjardins at 6:38 AM on November 24, 2014
posted by desjardins at 6:38 AM on November 24, 2014
Was this not another 'Fall finale/back in January after the holidays cliffhanger'?
posted by oh yeah! at 6:54 AM on November 24, 2014
posted by oh yeah! at 6:54 AM on November 24, 2014
So many thoughts:
(a) HATED the murder threat note plot. Man, was it ever dumb. In a family of politicians where their every move is scrutinized, Alicia PHYSICALLY WRITES THIS NOTE DOWN? Grace might be dumb enough to show it to a civics teacher (though again, why?! Shouldn't all high schoolers who are under the constant threat of shooting know better as well? Then again...Grace), but Alicia should not be that much of a moron, even if it was several years ago. It seemed to be thrown in there for the "comic relief," but other than Marissa's snark and Eli saying he'd trust assassins over teachers (and that's how I turned out!), it was more stupid than funny.
Hated it, hated it, hated it.
(b) Yeah, Bishop has connections in there somewhere to have heard about the four years.
(c) I was recently on jury duty to be potentially on a murder trial and while I understand the desperate need to GTFO for Neil Diamond tickets, I don't think that particular overlooking of juror #11 would have happened--after the first 12 are sworn in, THEN they do the alternates and everyone's out of challenges and it's the end of the day. I can see this happening on the alternates, but not on someone that far in the box. Especially since we didn't even see them get that far on the alternates.
Yes, I know it's TV and I should really just relax, but still, I was all "why don't they end up having to move an alternate into the box and THEN they notice he can't hear?"
(d) Yes, Kalinda is Cary's hunter. I totally thought this was some PI terminology I didn't know about.
(e) Poor Cary--I guess he's off the show (ish) until the end now since 2 years is after the planned ending. I figured he'd do jail time at this point, but bummer. It's a good thing they brought Diane on because she might be the only name partner left at that firm in a year.
(f) I repeat, Kalinda is sooooo gonna get killed.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:47 AM on November 24, 2014 [2 favorites]
(a) HATED the murder threat note plot. Man, was it ever dumb. In a family of politicians where their every move is scrutinized, Alicia PHYSICALLY WRITES THIS NOTE DOWN? Grace might be dumb enough to show it to a civics teacher (though again, why?! Shouldn't all high schoolers who are under the constant threat of shooting know better as well? Then again...Grace), but Alicia should not be that much of a moron, even if it was several years ago. It seemed to be thrown in there for the "comic relief," but other than Marissa's snark and Eli saying he'd trust assassins over teachers (and that's how I turned out!), it was more stupid than funny.
Hated it, hated it, hated it.
(b) Yeah, Bishop has connections in there somewhere to have heard about the four years.
(c) I was recently on jury duty to be potentially on a murder trial and while I understand the desperate need to GTFO for Neil Diamond tickets, I don't think that particular overlooking of juror #11 would have happened--after the first 12 are sworn in, THEN they do the alternates and everyone's out of challenges and it's the end of the day. I can see this happening on the alternates, but not on someone that far in the box. Especially since we didn't even see them get that far on the alternates.
Yes, I know it's TV and I should really just relax, but still, I was all "why don't they end up having to move an alternate into the box and THEN they notice he can't hear?"
(d) Yes, Kalinda is Cary's hunter. I totally thought this was some PI terminology I didn't know about.
(e) Poor Cary--I guess he's off the show (ish) until the end now since 2 years is after the planned ending. I figured he'd do jail time at this point, but bummer. It's a good thing they brought Diane on because she might be the only name partner left at that firm in a year.
(f) I repeat, Kalinda is sooooo gonna get killed.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:47 AM on November 24, 2014 [2 favorites]
Yeah, all signs are pointing to Kalinda getting killed before the end of the season and she knows it too. She looked terrified in every single scene this week. She knows she's wading into extremely dangerous territory with Bishop!
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:11 PM on November 24, 2014
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:11 PM on November 24, 2014
I'm still of a mind that she changes her identity and disappears while making it look like Lemond Bishop killed her.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 4:18 PM on November 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by TWinbrook8 at 4:18 PM on November 24, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm still of a mind that she changes her identity and disappears while making it look like Lemond Bishop killed her.
The Good Wife meets Gone Girl? Oh please, no.
posted by fuse theorem at 5:17 PM on November 24, 2014
The Good Wife meets Gone Girl? Oh please, no.
posted by fuse theorem at 5:17 PM on November 24, 2014
They're definitely making Kalinda look like cannon fodder, which makes me think (hope) that they have a better twist for her. Jail instead of Cary? I didn't think Cary was leaving the show.
posted by jeather at 5:33 PM on November 24, 2014
posted by jeather at 5:33 PM on November 24, 2014
At the beginning of the season, there was a commentary version of the premiere on the CBS site in which the Kings go on about how the whole Cary story line sprang from a project they had been working on about the prison system and how this year they were going to put Cary through the wringer, highlighting a bit about privilege, as, no matter what the situation was with his father, he's definitely been a have far more than a have not. This, besides the fact it's hard to avoid casting news about this show, makes me seriously question the possibility of something irreparable happening to Cary. Meanwhile we all know Kalinda is "leaving" one way or another, but it seems like a massive disservice to the actor, character and audience for them to not use that for some greater end, like they did Will. More than the effect on Cary, I think it would be a blow to Diane as she's her last tangible connection to Will, but killing her off she's far too pat. Kalinda and Secret Agent Lady pulling a fast one that disposes of the Lemond Bishop threat as they both seemingly meet their demise/set sail for the sunset? Much more of the kind of send off they deserve.
Also, I'd really like to know more about the Kalinda/Will relationship, for everyone's sake. No out of character reveal or flashback so much as just a substantive bit of something alluding to what it is that makes her tick: that would add to the mystery by giving it a real depth instead of a constellation of quirks. She's been with Lana longer than anyone, but her loyalties mostly seem related to some form of guilt or debt unless she transmutes them into being transactional, so it's always very much a game of power play, which is why Cary never really stood a chance. He's not into games and has no real power.
I might be the only one, but I'm sick of Lemond (saying that like Lemon-d, like Linda Lavin.) He plays too cartoony cookie cutter to me compared to prototype Stringer Bell. If people weren't acting so well as if he was a real threat, I wouldn't buy him at all. He's definitely the lesser of unapologetic wife killers.
The note I did like, because their recurring use of the Low Winter Midnight show as a running joke and bonding point between Grace and Alicia has been pretty funny, plus the use of the "bodywoman" to further flesh out the world where this is a popular show-- I'm hoping Alicia having a sense of humor turns out to be a saving grace (no pun, no) and more daughter of Eli is definitely a good thing. I also hope that the "misheard" bits by the juror are suppose to be subtext. Because nunneries, your honor.
posted by provoliminal at 6:51 PM on November 24, 2014
Also, I'd really like to know more about the Kalinda/Will relationship, for everyone's sake. No out of character reveal or flashback so much as just a substantive bit of something alluding to what it is that makes her tick: that would add to the mystery by giving it a real depth instead of a constellation of quirks. She's been with Lana longer than anyone, but her loyalties mostly seem related to some form of guilt or debt unless she transmutes them into being transactional, so it's always very much a game of power play, which is why Cary never really stood a chance. He's not into games and has no real power.
I might be the only one, but I'm sick of Lemond (saying that like Lemon-d, like Linda Lavin.) He plays too cartoony cookie cutter to me compared to prototype Stringer Bell. If people weren't acting so well as if he was a real threat, I wouldn't buy him at all. He's definitely the lesser of unapologetic wife killers.
The note I did like, because their recurring use of the Low Winter Midnight show as a running joke and bonding point between Grace and Alicia has been pretty funny, plus the use of the "bodywoman" to further flesh out the world where this is a popular show-- I'm hoping Alicia having a sense of humor turns out to be a saving grace (no pun, no) and more daughter of Eli is definitely a good thing. I also hope that the "misheard" bits by the juror are suppose to be subtext. Because nunneries, your honor.
posted by provoliminal at 6:51 PM on November 24, 2014
It was add that we're halfway into season six before Alicia has a sense of humor.
Just Eli and his daughter. Maybe some Grace. That's the show I want.
posted by Lesser Shrew at 5:22 AM on November 25, 2014
Just Eli and his daughter. Maybe some Grace. That's the show I want.
posted by Lesser Shrew at 5:22 AM on November 25, 2014
Oh, and if the note is directly a quote from Darkness at Noon, wouldn't the voters read that as "I, for one, welcome our new ant overlords" or "you smell like ointment and pee!"
posted by Lesser Shrew at 5:25 AM on November 25, 2014
posted by Lesser Shrew at 5:25 AM on November 25, 2014
Just Eli and his daughter. Maybe some Grace. That's the show I want.
Also David Lee is there. Good God do I miss David Lee.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 5:25 AM on November 25, 2014
Also David Lee is there. Good God do I miss David Lee.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 5:25 AM on November 25, 2014
Eli, Eli's daughter, David Lee, JACKIE, Alicia's brother, Zak, and no Grace ever. Plus Nathan Lane and all the odd-bod lawyers and judges.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 12:21 AM on November 26, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by TWinbrook8 at 12:21 AM on November 26, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm confused about the situation with ASA Geneva and her affair. I think it's definitely relevant for future episodes, but if it's not used to somehow help Cary, I'm not sure what it could be. Is it possible that she's the insider giving info to Bishop, maybe somehow through her husband? The affair might be a red herring. What do we know about her?
Also, I'm going to float a theory: Kalinda ends up making a deal with Bishop at some point that for him to spare her life, she has to go to Barcelona and be his person on the ground there. That would provide an exit for the Kalinda character.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:12 PM on December 4, 2014
Also, I'm going to float a theory: Kalinda ends up making a deal with Bishop at some point that for him to spare her life, she has to go to Barcelona and be his person on the ground there. That would provide an exit for the Kalinda character.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:12 PM on December 4, 2014
I'm confused about the situation with ASA Geneva and her affair. I think it's definitely relevant for future episodes, but if it's not used to somehow help Cary, I'm not sure what it could be. Is it possible that she's the insider giving info to Bishop, maybe somehow through her husband? The affair might be a red herring. What do we know about her?
I thought Geneva's affair and the judge's Neil-Diamond-ticket-buying exploits were genius bits of writing, for one reason: they show that all the drama we're used to with TGW (e.g., Alicia/Will/Peter, Diane, Finn, all of them) is really freaking ridiculous and scary when you consider that this trial is literally life-or-death for someone (in this case, Cary).
Showing the judge looking at his watch during jury selection was, to me, so incredible. It's like the writers are saying, "You see? You see all the wacky workplace drama bits that you giggle at week after week? Now we're gonna remind you that there is someone's life at stake." Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
posted by Zephyrial at 2:10 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
I thought Geneva's affair and the judge's Neil-Diamond-ticket-buying exploits were genius bits of writing, for one reason: they show that all the drama we're used to with TGW (e.g., Alicia/Will/Peter, Diane, Finn, all of them) is really freaking ridiculous and scary when you consider that this trial is literally life-or-death for someone (in this case, Cary).
Showing the judge looking at his watch during jury selection was, to me, so incredible. It's like the writers are saying, "You see? You see all the wacky workplace drama bits that you giggle at week after week? Now we're gonna remind you that there is someone's life at stake." Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
posted by Zephyrial at 2:10 PM on January 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
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posted by oh yeah! at 7:49 PM on November 23, 2014 [1 favorite]