Supernatural: Road Trip
November 11, 2021 5:13 AM - Season 9, Episode 10 - Subscribe
Dean and Castiel ask Crowley for help in finding Gadreel and getting him out of Sam's body.
Quotes
Dean: Cass, I'm sorry.
Castiel: About what?
Dean: Kicking you out of the bunker. That's uh -- you know, not telling you about Sam.
Castiel: His life was at stake.
Dean: Yeah, I got played.
Castiel: I thought I was saving Heaven. I got played, too.
Dean: So, you're saying we're both a couple of dumb asses?
Castiel: I prefer the word trusting. Less dumb. Less ass.
Castiel: What do you want, then?
Crowley: Well, for starters... a massage. Between the sitting and the shackles, a body gets a little stiff.
Dean: Yeah, I ain't rubbing you.
Gadreel: If it makes you feel better, I have Sam locked away in a dream. As far as he knows, the two of you are working a case right now. Something with ghouls and cheerleaders.
Gadreel: So, you have a job?
Abner: Customer support. Computers mostly. It's like answering prayers, but they pay you for it.
Cecily: That was Dean Winchester, and... Castiel?
Crowley: Yes, I know. Without the tie, he's barely recognizable. He's so --
Cecily: Hot. I mean, human Castiel? Eh. But feathered Castiel? Whew!
Crowley: Human Castiel?
Cecily: You heard what happened to him, right?
Crowley: I've been tied up.
Crowley: Nice to know someone's still loyal.
Cecily: Uh-huh.
Crowley: That is, of course, if you're not playing both sides?
Cecily: Wouldn't you?
Abaddon: You helped Crowley?
Cecily: Yeah. I'm kind of playing both sides until someone w-- until *you* win.
Abaddon: Hm.
Cecily: Smart, right?
Abaddon: No. [stabs her] Sort of the opposite.
Margey: [backstage, to Corey the rock star] You're on in 10. The label wants to open with "Baby, Be My Baby". Then you can roll right on into "Babycakes", and then the *clean* version of "Babymaker". Oh, and, Corey? Let's try to take it easy with the groupies tonight, huh?
Dean: A demon and an angel walk into my brother. Sounds like a bad joke.
Crowley: See, that's your problem, love. You think this is a fight.
Abaddon: It's not?
Crowley: It's a campaign. Hearts and minds, that's what's important. See, the demons have a choice. Take orders from the world's angriest ginger -- and that's saying something -- or join my team, where everyone gets a say, a virgin, and all the entrails they can eat.
Trivia
First time Crowley calls Sam "Bullwinkle" instead of just "Moose".
When Dean says, "Welcome to the party, pal," this references the same quote that John McClain says in Die Hard.
Crowley says, "The three amigos ride again!" Three Amigos! is a 1986 comedy film starring Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, and Martin Short.
When Crowley is trying to "crack" Gadreel (who is inhabiting Sam at the time) and Gadreel passes out, he calls Dean and Castiel back into the room, addressing them as Laverne and Shirley. It's a reference to the characters from the sitcom of the same name, which was a spin-off of Happy Days. Laverne and Shirley were friends and roommates.
The word that Crowley says to Sam as a key "Poughkeepsie", is the same word that the lawyer John Cage (Peter MacNicol) from Ally McBeal says to prevent his stuttering. Poughkeepsie is also what Papa Doyle said to his CI in the classic 1971 film The French Connection.
Quotes
Dean: Cass, I'm sorry.
Castiel: About what?
Dean: Kicking you out of the bunker. That's uh -- you know, not telling you about Sam.
Castiel: His life was at stake.
Dean: Yeah, I got played.
Castiel: I thought I was saving Heaven. I got played, too.
Dean: So, you're saying we're both a couple of dumb asses?
Castiel: I prefer the word trusting. Less dumb. Less ass.
Castiel: What do you want, then?
Crowley: Well, for starters... a massage. Between the sitting and the shackles, a body gets a little stiff.
Dean: Yeah, I ain't rubbing you.
Gadreel: If it makes you feel better, I have Sam locked away in a dream. As far as he knows, the two of you are working a case right now. Something with ghouls and cheerleaders.
Gadreel: So, you have a job?
Abner: Customer support. Computers mostly. It's like answering prayers, but they pay you for it.
Cecily: That was Dean Winchester, and... Castiel?
Crowley: Yes, I know. Without the tie, he's barely recognizable. He's so --
Cecily: Hot. I mean, human Castiel? Eh. But feathered Castiel? Whew!
Crowley: Human Castiel?
Cecily: You heard what happened to him, right?
Crowley: I've been tied up.
Crowley: Nice to know someone's still loyal.
Cecily: Uh-huh.
Crowley: That is, of course, if you're not playing both sides?
Cecily: Wouldn't you?
Abaddon: You helped Crowley?
Cecily: Yeah. I'm kind of playing both sides until someone w-- until *you* win.
Abaddon: Hm.
Cecily: Smart, right?
Abaddon: No. [stabs her] Sort of the opposite.
Margey: [backstage, to Corey the rock star] You're on in 10. The label wants to open with "Baby, Be My Baby". Then you can roll right on into "Babycakes", and then the *clean* version of "Babymaker". Oh, and, Corey? Let's try to take it easy with the groupies tonight, huh?
Dean: A demon and an angel walk into my brother. Sounds like a bad joke.
Crowley: See, that's your problem, love. You think this is a fight.
Abaddon: It's not?
Crowley: It's a campaign. Hearts and minds, that's what's important. See, the demons have a choice. Take orders from the world's angriest ginger -- and that's saying something -- or join my team, where everyone gets a say, a virgin, and all the entrails they can eat.
Trivia
First time Crowley calls Sam "Bullwinkle" instead of just "Moose".
When Dean says, "Welcome to the party, pal," this references the same quote that John McClain says in Die Hard.
Crowley says, "The three amigos ride again!" Three Amigos! is a 1986 comedy film starring Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, and Martin Short.
When Crowley is trying to "crack" Gadreel (who is inhabiting Sam at the time) and Gadreel passes out, he calls Dean and Castiel back into the room, addressing them as Laverne and Shirley. It's a reference to the characters from the sitcom of the same name, which was a spin-off of Happy Days. Laverne and Shirley were friends and roommates.
The word that Crowley says to Sam as a key "Poughkeepsie", is the same word that the lawyer John Cage (Peter MacNicol) from Ally McBeal says to prevent his stuttering. Poughkeepsie is also what Papa Doyle said to his CI in the classic 1971 film The French Connection.
Is this the episode with Castiel's car? Low-riders are just so not my thing, but I've always (and I mean always) had a major soft spot for those 1970s Lincoln Continental coupes (in particular the Mark V, but that's just being picky). I'm with Cas. I like his car. The more of see of the cars and the car choices in this show, the more I want to sit down the with automotive wrangler over a drink and talk cars. I'd be curious to know what his background is, because our tastes seem so similar in many ways.
posted by sardonyx at 9:23 AM on November 11, 2021
posted by sardonyx at 9:23 AM on November 11, 2021
Whether or not needles in brains will exorcise an angel, I'll leave that to the writers. Crowley's playing a similar trick he did on the angel with the pretty boy body.
As for needles of that gauge going into the brain... there aren't that many major arteries in the brain and if you avoid those and your needles are sharp enough, no there's a surprising little amount of bleeding involved. Most of it would be superficially from the scalp. Unless you know exactly what your doing (sliding in between soft spots in the skull), getting to the brain is tricky without damaging the skull (and then the brain non-specifically) too much.
As long as you don't wiggle the needle round too much (and where the needle goes), it's survivable. Ish. Doing it for shits and giggles, if you don't cause too much bleeding (and thus an abscess causing pressure), it's not inconceivable that you'd escape with only various mild stroke symptoms. On the other hand, you can get something like a Phineas Gage. The old ice pick lobotomies involves scrambling the frontal lobe like making a pre-scrambled egg.
As a trope, it's often a for torture to cause synaesthesia-like results or recalling memories/ inducing strong emotions (and the visceral horror of someone... physically... poking around your brain and the ease at which they can now severely cripple - but not necessarily kill - you).
Surviving strokes usually sucks lots.
posted by porpoise at 3:34 PM on November 11, 2021
As for needles of that gauge going into the brain... there aren't that many major arteries in the brain and if you avoid those and your needles are sharp enough, no there's a surprising little amount of bleeding involved. Most of it would be superficially from the scalp. Unless you know exactly what your doing (sliding in between soft spots in the skull), getting to the brain is tricky without damaging the skull (and then the brain non-specifically) too much.
As long as you don't wiggle the needle round too much (and where the needle goes), it's survivable. Ish. Doing it for shits and giggles, if you don't cause too much bleeding (and thus an abscess causing pressure), it's not inconceivable that you'd escape with only various mild stroke symptoms. On the other hand, you can get something like a Phineas Gage. The old ice pick lobotomies involves scrambling the frontal lobe like making a pre-scrambled egg.
As a trope, it's often a for torture to cause synaesthesia-like results or recalling memories/ inducing strong emotions (and the visceral horror of someone... physically... poking around your brain and the ease at which they can now severely cripple - but not necessarily kill - you).
Surviving strokes usually sucks lots.
posted by porpoise at 3:34 PM on November 11, 2021
I liked Abbadon a lot, and there were flashes of cool (like appreciating and stealing the goth clerk's outfit, controlling her own severed hand, etc.) but it's almost like the writers are decompensating for jacking up power levels with abandon in the past and having seasons end limply.
Or the writer's room could just be super sexist.
As for Crowley, it's established now that he's bad because his need for love was once frustrated. Having "friends" seems to really mellow him out, injection or no injection. Or injection + friendship.
posted by porpoise at 3:39 PM on November 11, 2021
Or the writer's room could just be super sexist.
As for Crowley, it's established now that he's bad because his need for love was once frustrated. Having "friends" seems to really mellow him out, injection or no injection. Or injection + friendship.
posted by porpoise at 3:39 PM on November 11, 2021
They got in a few solid months of living someplace nice before somebody they knew was horribly murdered there. I kind of see why Sam was gunshy about the whole "home" thing.
I laughed at Dean marching down the road to Castiel's "inexplicably stopped" pimpmobile lugging a gas can. He knows his audience.
I have to think Cecily’s human/feathered hotness dichotomy means Jimmy Novak/Castiel’s true form that’s the size of a skyscraper covered in faces or whatever, and sure some feathers, and you know what, I love that for her.
I feel like the show could've handled defanging Crowley, or Abbadon being kind of a dud, or Metatron being both overpowered and annoying; having all three at once kind of leaves an antagonist vacuum that takes up a fair amount of screen time without doing much for the story. (I also think all the angel politics stuff is mediocre at absolute best and that for sure does not help, but that stuff never did much for me, it might work fine for others.)
posted by jameaterblues at 4:16 PM on November 11, 2021
I laughed at Dean marching down the road to Castiel's "inexplicably stopped" pimpmobile lugging a gas can. He knows his audience.
I have to think Cecily’s human/feathered hotness dichotomy means Jimmy Novak/Castiel’s true form that’s the size of a skyscraper covered in faces or whatever, and sure some feathers, and you know what, I love that for her.
I feel like the show could've handled defanging Crowley, or Abbadon being kind of a dud, or Metatron being both overpowered and annoying; having all three at once kind of leaves an antagonist vacuum that takes up a fair amount of screen time without doing much for the story. (I also think all the angel politics stuff is mediocre at absolute best and that for sure does not help, but that stuff never did much for me, it might work fine for others.)
posted by jameaterblues at 4:16 PM on November 11, 2021
Porpoise, I've been reading your comments for years and I've always been genuinely impressed by how you seem to have extensive knowledge in so many disparate subjects. You seem to write a lot from first-hand knowledge and I've wondered, "Who is this person and what kind of life have they led, to know all this amazing stuff?"
Then I read this:
there aren't that many major arteries in the brain and if you avoid those and your needles are sharp enough, no there's a surprising little amount of bleeding involved
So, I'm thinking you're either Buckaroo Banzai, or Hannibal.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 2:03 AM on November 12, 2021 [3 favorites]
Then I read this:
there aren't that many major arteries in the brain and if you avoid those and your needles are sharp enough, no there's a surprising little amount of bleeding involved
So, I'm thinking you're either Buckaroo Banzai, or Hannibal.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 2:03 AM on November 12, 2021 [3 favorites]
Ursula Hitler, I often find myself thinking that too, about Porpoise. I can't believe the breadth and depth of his technical knowledge. If it were just medical knowledge, that would be one thing, but he seems to know so much about so many other things. I have at times side eyed his lock picking expertise.
Of course, he could be just making shit up, and I'd never know the difference.:)
posted by orange swan at 5:25 AM on November 12, 2021 [1 favorite]
Of course, he could be just making shit up, and I'd never know the difference.:)
posted by orange swan at 5:25 AM on November 12, 2021 [1 favorite]
Thanks (?), folks.
Buckaroo Banzai, or Hannibal
I hope this doesn't come across as too Dr. Evil.
In the general I've always had a broad and eclectic curiosity and a broader and deeper formal education than many. I incorrectly, almost certainly more often than not, assume that others are also interested in "stuff."
My life experiences have intersected with, I suspect, a much broader range of social class than most. From people who smoke methamphetamine in front of their pre-toddlers to educated but not academic American aristocracy. From hustling children of immigrants to HK tycoons. And all the many gradations in between.
In the specific, the brain bleeding stuff, this is partially extrapolated from formal study of human anatomy specializing in how brains work (this cross-trained with knowledge and experiences with drugs - recreational and otherwise) and installing electrodes and canulae into the brains of anesthetized rats and mice in the course of post-graduate education. The other medical-ish stuff is mostly from post-graduate education in clinical and lab pathology specializing in transplantation and immunology, with commercial post-doctoral work in in vitro diagnostics.
The lockpicking and security stuff stems from childhood curiosity into how things work, association with less than upstanding classes of people in my youth, and I found myself in a federal regulation mandated security-clearance holding position where I had the opportunity and mandate to "think like a bad actor."
I have a super boring, menial job that doesn't pay very well these days.
The guns, militaria, survivalism, and sportsball is probably from (over)adaptation camouflage as a het male-presenting closeted queer trans woman.
TLDR; I'm a weirdo, with weird experiences, who adored MacGyver and Sherlock Holmes as a kid.
posted by porpoise at 6:07 PM on November 12, 2021 [3 favorites]
Buckaroo Banzai, or Hannibal
I hope this doesn't come across as too Dr. Evil.
In the general I've always had a broad and eclectic curiosity and a broader and deeper formal education than many. I incorrectly, almost certainly more often than not, assume that others are also interested in "stuff."
My life experiences have intersected with, I suspect, a much broader range of social class than most. From people who smoke methamphetamine in front of their pre-toddlers to educated but not academic American aristocracy. From hustling children of immigrants to HK tycoons. And all the many gradations in between.
In the specific, the brain bleeding stuff, this is partially extrapolated from formal study of human anatomy specializing in how brains work (this cross-trained with knowledge and experiences with drugs - recreational and otherwise) and installing electrodes and canulae into the brains of anesthetized rats and mice in the course of post-graduate education. The other medical-ish stuff is mostly from post-graduate education in clinical and lab pathology specializing in transplantation and immunology, with commercial post-doctoral work in in vitro diagnostics.
The lockpicking and security stuff stems from childhood curiosity into how things work, association with less than upstanding classes of people in my youth, and I found myself in a federal regulation mandated security-clearance holding position where I had the opportunity and mandate to "think like a bad actor."
I have a super boring, menial job that doesn't pay very well these days.
The guns, militaria, survivalism, and sportsball is probably from (over)adaptation camouflage as a het male-presenting closeted queer trans woman.
TLDR; I'm a weirdo, with weird experiences, who adored MacGyver and Sherlock Holmes as a kid.
posted by porpoise at 6:07 PM on November 12, 2021 [3 favorites]
How do we not have a show about your adventures? Forget the Winchester boys, I think there's a series or two just about you.
posted by sardonyx at 6:27 PM on November 12, 2021 [2 favorites]
posted by sardonyx at 6:27 PM on November 12, 2021 [2 favorites]
Porpoise, I was going for affectionate ribbing but I fear my bungled attempt at humor may have made you feel singled out, like the weird kid in class. If so, I'm truly sorry. Your informed and insightful comments are one of the highlights of the site, for me and (I'm quite sure) many others.
Also, hello trans sister!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 10:45 PM on November 12, 2021 [2 favorites]
Also, hello trans sister!
posted by Ursula Hitler at 10:45 PM on November 12, 2021 [2 favorites]
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How could Sam survive having needles inserted in his brain? Wouldn't there at least be a lot of blood?
For a being so powerful, and despite being played by an actress who is physically stunning, Abbadon is such a non-entity, It's like the writers didn't think she was worth developing into a fully realized character. She's like Demon Barbie.
Crowley's third trial injections seem to have humanized him somewhat. He's never again quite as evil as he was before that.
posted by orange swan at 5:28 AM on November 11, 2021 [1 favorite]