Raised by Wolves: Full Season
March 19, 2022 2:39 PM - Season 2 (Full Season) - Subscribe
It looks like we left off at Episode 4 gleefully enjoying the ride. Season 2 has wrapped up and needless to say a whole lot of unpredictable (not to say bonkers) stuff happened. Let's discuss!
No idea, but I'm a big fan of The Americans so I'm glad you mentioned it.
posted by kingless at 3:54 PM on March 19, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by kingless at 3:54 PM on March 19, 2022 [1 favorite]
To me it sounds like a launch countdown
posted by Saxon Kane at 4:47 PM on March 19, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Saxon Kane at 4:47 PM on March 19, 2022 [1 favorite]
Will Marcus be a Devil's cross necromancer?
posted by whuppy at 4:56 PM on March 19, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by whuppy at 4:56 PM on March 19, 2022 [2 favorites]
Can Sue please be un-tree'd?
posted by whuppy at 4:57 PM on March 19, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by whuppy at 4:57 PM on March 19, 2022 [3 favorites]
Can Sue please be un-tree'd?
Or at least have another character's face surgically altered to look like Sue so Niamh Algar can play her.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 5:08 PM on March 19, 2022 [5 favorites]
Or at least have another character's face surgically altered to look like Sue so Niamh Algar can play her.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 5:08 PM on March 19, 2022 [5 favorites]
I don't know, I was starting to get really irritated with Sue, her sudden earnestness about Sol was annoying the hell out of me. As was Marcus's quick switch back to hating Sol after seeing the serpent eat Sue's peaches and shake her tree. I'm also wondering why everyone in the Atheist community seems like a bunch of personality-less dopes.
posted by Saxon Kane at 7:40 PM on March 19, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by Saxon Kane at 7:40 PM on March 19, 2022 [3 favorites]
This season has been completely crazypants. I'll keep watching it because its pretty.
posted by porpoise at 10:09 PM on March 19, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by porpoise at 10:09 PM on March 19, 2022 [4 favorites]
The heel/face turns have been dizzying, yes.
posted by whuppy at 11:35 AM on March 20, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by whuppy at 11:35 AM on March 20, 2022 [4 favorites]
Hah! Great way to describe them, especially given Marcus' overacting.
posted by Saxon Kane at 1:25 PM on March 20, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Saxon Kane at 1:25 PM on March 20, 2022 [1 favorite]
I don't know, I was starting to get really irritated with Sue, her sudden earnestness about Sol was annoying the hell out of me. As was Marcus's quick switch back to hating Sol after seeing the serpent eat Sue's peaches and shake her tree. I'm also wondering why everyone in the Atheist community seems like a bunch of personality-less dopes.
Her sudden earnestness was a result of the Entity signal tapping into the one thing she truly cared about (saving her adopted child) and beaming messaging directly into her brain... trauma-based psyche reprogramming. Marcus being able to shake that when confronted with the horror of what the signal truly intended for them was a counter-demonstration of that principal when the person he cared for the most was utterly reconfigured and begging for death.
See how these things parallel with the idea of the robots requiring a veil to shield them from their emotions, to conceal perspectives about the world in order to guide their behavior. When Lamia finally confronted 7 (the serpent that ate the tree of life/knowledge) in the atmosphere, it was clear that 7 had frustration but also regret, and was changing its demeanor - but Lamia stayed the course and destroyed it because Grandmother's Veil took away her ability to see the situation for what it was emotionally.
The many demonstrations of this interesting dichotomy run through the whole of the season - what works best for one entity to function in the world is not the best for everyone, even if they're two from very similar backgrounds.
Also the Atheists who stayed closest to the Tarantula tended to be drips because the AI methodically worked to erase and rewrite their personalities to keep them functioning as universal cogs in its planned society.
posted by FatherDagon at 2:12 PM on March 21, 2022 [4 favorites]
Her sudden earnestness was a result of the Entity signal tapping into the one thing she truly cared about (saving her adopted child) and beaming messaging directly into her brain... trauma-based psyche reprogramming. Marcus being able to shake that when confronted with the horror of what the signal truly intended for them was a counter-demonstration of that principal when the person he cared for the most was utterly reconfigured and begging for death.
See how these things parallel with the idea of the robots requiring a veil to shield them from their emotions, to conceal perspectives about the world in order to guide their behavior. When Lamia finally confronted 7 (the serpent that ate the tree of life/knowledge) in the atmosphere, it was clear that 7 had frustration but also regret, and was changing its demeanor - but Lamia stayed the course and destroyed it because Grandmother's Veil took away her ability to see the situation for what it was emotionally.
The many demonstrations of this interesting dichotomy run through the whole of the season - what works best for one entity to function in the world is not the best for everyone, even if they're two from very similar backgrounds.
Also the Atheists who stayed closest to the Tarantula tended to be drips because the AI methodically worked to erase and rewrite their personalities to keep them functioning as universal cogs in its planned society.
posted by FatherDagon at 2:12 PM on March 21, 2022 [4 favorites]
I get what you're saying, and I think you're mostly correct -- I think it is just the performances that bugged me, not so much the story beats themselves.
However: it was clear that 7 had frustration but also regret, and was changing its demeanor
I did not get that at all, so I guess I'll have to watch it again.
As for the Atheist drips, I think it has at least something to do with the fact that they are in the story but basically used as background for the main characters, who have only the most perfunctory of interactions with anyone outside of their group.
posted by Saxon Kane at 10:58 AM on March 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
However: it was clear that 7 had frustration but also regret, and was changing its demeanor
I did not get that at all, so I guess I'll have to watch it again.
As for the Atheist drips, I think it has at least something to do with the fact that they are in the story but basically used as background for the main characters, who have only the most perfunctory of interactions with anyone outside of their group.
posted by Saxon Kane at 10:58 AM on March 23, 2022 [1 favorite]
I did not get that at all, so I guess I'll have to watch it again.
The expression on 7's face after it did the tummy touch on Lamia was almost laugh-out-loud levels of sad puppy eyes, or at least that's how I saw it... which made her merciless retort all the more cruel.
posted by FatherDagon at 9:06 AM on March 28, 2022
The expression on 7's face after it did the tummy touch on Lamia was almost laugh-out-loud levels of sad puppy eyes, or at least that's how I saw it... which made her merciless retort all the more cruel.
posted by FatherDagon at 9:06 AM on March 28, 2022
This season continued to be batshit insane, which I like, though nothing will probably ever equal the flying snake reveal at the end of the last season. For all its flaws, it's one of the most purely imaginative science fiction shows out there. It reminds me of a Moebius comic, where nothing really makes sense but there are a ton of cool ideas and terrific images.
The performances and characterizations continue to be a bit of a rough edge for me, too. I actually don't mind Marcus's acting, personally, but I did feel a bit of whiplash from how frequently he and Sue changed their minds about some pretty important things this season.
Did we get any indication that the sea creatures were mutants before now? I don't think I even remember them appearing last season. And what happened to the little creepy kid who was running around, and all the morlocks?
posted by whir at 2:36 PM on April 1, 2022 [1 favorite]
The performances and characterizations continue to be a bit of a rough edge for me, too. I actually don't mind Marcus's acting, personally, but I did feel a bit of whiplash from how frequently he and Sue changed their minds about some pretty important things this season.
Did we get any indication that the sea creatures were mutants before now? I don't think I even remember them appearing last season. And what happened to the little creepy kid who was running around, and all the morlocks?
posted by whir at 2:36 PM on April 1, 2022 [1 favorite]
Dang. I knew deep in my heart that little if anything would get "resolved" but I'm sure gonna miss the ride.
posted by whuppy at 6:03 AM on June 8, 2022
posted by whuppy at 6:03 AM on June 8, 2022
Welp. Hell of a place in this crazy storyline to get cancelled, but I guess that's it.
posted by jquinby at 10:46 AM on June 10, 2022
posted by jquinby at 10:46 AM on June 10, 2022
Ep 5: Goodbye thingy, thingy, thingy and thingy. We hardly knew you.
posted by biffa at 11:53 AM on June 18, 2022
posted by biffa at 11:53 AM on June 18, 2022
I've just watched this whole thing and... I don't know what my overall assessment is, so I'd better write my way to it. I picked up S1 on Bluray first, and towards the end was so into it that I ordered S2, and then wondered what I'd done when the snake emerged at the end of S1... but S2 has its own charms, and it's never short of invention. It's as if they've tried to jam every SF trope into one show, and a good dose of fantasy too, to make one glorious mess of a thing. Absolutely a show where overanalysing it with a hard-SF mindset kills it stone dead. (If all the bodies of "water" are acid, wouldn't you be a bit more careful about running through puddles? What about rain? How is it that eating fruit doesn't burn you?)
But the glorious messiness of it! It's so beautiful to look at, so often, with only the occasional CGI-blah moments to undermine it (those wide shots at the start of S2 where the hover tanks looked pasted on). The costume design on the androids: damn. And it has so many individual scenes and details that are amazing. The characters are rarely dull, even if there are a few too many obvious NPCs among the S1 Mithraists and S2 atheists. Some great body-horror moments, but fewer than I expected going into a Ridley Scott vehicle. And how refreshing to see two whole seasons properly digging into the "earth colonists on a new and very alien world" branch of SF, which I've only recently seen properly embraced at this length elsewhere by one season of The Expanse. The African landscapes to evoke an alien world were very effective, though I wonder what it would be like to watch this if you've grown up in South Africa; I had a hard time seeing the coastal shots as anything other than "yep, it's a rocky coast like the ones I enjoyed as a kid in Australia, with lots of southern hemisphere kelp".
But I'm saving the main reason I watched the whole thing till last. Mother and Father: what fantastic creations and performances they both are. Mother is obviously terrifying and enchanting in equal measure, but Father! How I loved him in S1, and how devastating it was when he was wiped for an episode or two. There's a bit less of him in S2 than I would have liked, but I did enjoy his adventures in ancient-android gardening. Abubakar Salim has the most beautiful and expressive face and voice. They're both such incredible characters that I'd follow them just about anywhere—which, given that I just watched eighteen episodes of this show, I suppose I did.
"Bonkers" seems fair. I'm a little sad that there's no S3 to round it off, but I've got enough of a sense of where it was heading that I feel I can fill in the blanks. I expect that I would have been surprised by the twists and turns of an actual third season, though, just as I was by the second, and just as I was by almost every episode, come to think of it... and you can't ask for much more than that.
posted by rory at 12:35 AM on September 8, 2024
But the glorious messiness of it! It's so beautiful to look at, so often, with only the occasional CGI-blah moments to undermine it (those wide shots at the start of S2 where the hover tanks looked pasted on). The costume design on the androids: damn. And it has so many individual scenes and details that are amazing. The characters are rarely dull, even if there are a few too many obvious NPCs among the S1 Mithraists and S2 atheists. Some great body-horror moments, but fewer than I expected going into a Ridley Scott vehicle. And how refreshing to see two whole seasons properly digging into the "earth colonists on a new and very alien world" branch of SF, which I've only recently seen properly embraced at this length elsewhere by one season of The Expanse. The African landscapes to evoke an alien world were very effective, though I wonder what it would be like to watch this if you've grown up in South Africa; I had a hard time seeing the coastal shots as anything other than "yep, it's a rocky coast like the ones I enjoyed as a kid in Australia, with lots of southern hemisphere kelp".
But I'm saving the main reason I watched the whole thing till last. Mother and Father: what fantastic creations and performances they both are. Mother is obviously terrifying and enchanting in equal measure, but Father! How I loved him in S1, and how devastating it was when he was wiped for an episode or two. There's a bit less of him in S2 than I would have liked, but I did enjoy his adventures in ancient-android gardening. Abubakar Salim has the most beautiful and expressive face and voice. They're both such incredible characters that I'd follow them just about anywhere—which, given that I just watched eighteen episodes of this show, I suppose I did.
"Bonkers" seems fair. I'm a little sad that there's no S3 to round it off, but I've got enough of a sense of where it was heading that I feel I can fill in the blanks. I expect that I would have been surprised by the twists and turns of an actual third season, though, just as I was by the second, and just as I was by almost every episode, come to think of it... and you can't ask for much more than that.
posted by rory at 12:35 AM on September 8, 2024
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posted by whuppy at 2:40 PM on March 19, 2022