Forever: The Last Death of Henry Morgan
May 5, 2015 5:03 PM - Season 1, Episode 22 - Subscribe
A dagger, a curse, and a history lesson.
Henry and Adam have been on a long, unrelenting collision course, which is about to come to a head – possibly bringing about one man’s death – with only Jo standing in the way. Henry and Jo’s murder investigation into a museum worker’s death centers on a priceless missing ancient dagger, which not only ended the life of Julius Caesar, but also killed Adam the first time.
Meanwhile, Adam knows that there is something that Henry fears more than death – that Jo might discover his mystery. The two men tangle in a tumultuous game-changing confrontation. But at long last, will Jo finally learn about Henry’s secret?
Henry and Adam have been on a long, unrelenting collision course, which is about to come to a head – possibly bringing about one man’s death – with only Jo standing in the way. Henry and Jo’s murder investigation into a museum worker’s death centers on a priceless missing ancient dagger, which not only ended the life of Julius Caesar, but also killed Adam the first time.
Meanwhile, Adam knows that there is something that Henry fears more than death – that Jo might discover his mystery. The two men tangle in a tumultuous game-changing confrontation. But at long last, will Jo finally learn about Henry’s secret?
Agreed the final wrap was far better handled than I expected. Maybe if they don't get another season they can do a Henry-Jo followup as a web special or something.
Nice foreshadowing when Abe said "You need someone to watch over you" FAST CUT to Jo looking concerned in next scene.
The way Henry took Adam out was super Henry elegant.
posted by localroger at 8:05 PM on May 5, 2015 [1 favorite]
Nice foreshadowing when Abe said "You need someone to watch over you" FAST CUT to Jo looking concerned in next scene.
The way Henry took Adam out was super Henry elegant.
posted by localroger at 8:05 PM on May 5, 2015 [1 favorite]
The way Henry took Adam out was super Henry elegant.
Considering how quickly Adam chose suicide as an escape method in previous episodes, it was kind of out of character for him not to do it this time before he collapsed.
But, yeah, if we don't get another season, this was a good wrap up. If we do get another season, I am most looking forward to seeing Jo's face when Abe starts calling Henry Dad in front of her. And scenes with just Jo & Abe, because he'll be so happy to have her in on the secret, that he doesn't have to be afraid of dying and leaving Henry all alone.
posted by oh yeah! at 8:20 PM on May 5, 2015
Considering how quickly Adam chose suicide as an escape method in previous episodes, it was kind of out of character for him not to do it this time before he collapsed.
But, yeah, if we don't get another season, this was a good wrap up. If we do get another season, I am most looking forward to seeing Jo's face when Abe starts calling Henry Dad in front of her. And scenes with just Jo & Abe, because he'll be so happy to have her in on the secret, that he doesn't have to be afraid of dying and leaving Henry all alone.
posted by oh yeah! at 8:20 PM on May 5, 2015
Yeah, that was pretty delightful. I will miss this show, they did a pretty good job with the crazy premise. I would have liked to have watched Jo hear the entire explanation, mind you, but I'm glad she got a clue or two after all. "TELL HER," indeed.
That was a hella clever way to immobilize your enemy, Henry. Awesome.
Also: nope, the weapon doesn't kill you for good!
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:01 PM on May 5, 2015
That was a hella clever way to immobilize your enemy, Henry. Awesome.
Also: nope, the weapon doesn't kill you for good!
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:01 PM on May 5, 2015
The writer's have left themselves a technical loophole regarding the whole final death thing. As Henry wasn't killed by the flintlock but rather by the ball it fired. So the Caesar Dagger is still in play.
posted by zinon at 2:49 AM on May 6, 2015
posted by zinon at 2:49 AM on May 6, 2015
Um...wait a minute. So the only way to actually kill Henry is to find the original fired ball at the bottom of the ocean?!?!
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:42 AM on May 6, 2015
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:42 AM on May 6, 2015
Yeah, the series logic doesn't seem that tight. We've established that his clothes disappear when Henry forevers, so what happens to them? Do they violate the first law of thermodynamics by going poof into oblivion? Do they join all the singleton socks that have gotten divorced in my dryer? Do they get changed into dark matter?
And his pocketwatch doesn't disappear, so what universal principle is involved there?
Anyway, since the musket ball probably is unrecoverable, I'd say the trope of the first weapon that killed you finishing the job is now dead on Forever. And there really isn't any reason to keep it open; with Henry's revolver busted there's really no reason to assume the dagger might work, because any plot involving it would be rather one-sided in Henry's favor.
(And I'm rather glad to be validated in my first impression, which was that the whole "first weapon that killed" you idea is kind of stupid because, if that weapon was going to kill you, why didn't it work the first time, duh?)
posted by localroger at 9:51 AM on May 6, 2015 [1 favorite]
And his pocketwatch doesn't disappear, so what universal principle is involved there?
Anyway, since the musket ball probably is unrecoverable, I'd say the trope of the first weapon that killed you finishing the job is now dead on Forever. And there really isn't any reason to keep it open; with Henry's revolver busted there's really no reason to assume the dagger might work, because any plot involving it would be rather one-sided in Henry's favor.
(And I'm rather glad to be validated in my first impression, which was that the whole "first weapon that killed" you idea is kind of stupid because, if that weapon was going to kill you, why didn't it work the first time, duh?)
posted by localroger at 9:51 AM on May 6, 2015 [1 favorite]
Maybe the key to the puzzle is that because the weapon is the source of the curse, the weapon itself must be destroyed? (Of course, that still leaves open the question of whether Henry's weapon is the gun or the ball that struck him.)
posted by insert.witticism.here at 12:31 PM on May 6, 2015
posted by insert.witticism.here at 12:31 PM on May 6, 2015
localroger: hah, yeah, the original weapon thing doesn't really make any sense other than "fuck if I know what else will permanently kill me, nothing else has worked, so maybe that'll do it." Also, yeah, good question on the bloodsoaked clothes. (And hee, "forevers.") Do they drown in the nearest lake?
Also, is Adam really Caesar or someone else who died during the murder? Did anyone else die during the murder, since he said he was trying to stop one? And he also surfaces in the nearest body of water--is that a Thing among immortals or did someone just chuck his body in the nearest river after death too? Questions I'll never know the answer to, darn it.
And his pocketwatch doesn't disappear, so what universal principle is involved there?
The universal principle of "It fell out of my pocket?"
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2015
Also, is Adam really Caesar or someone else who died during the murder? Did anyone else die during the murder, since he said he was trying to stop one? And he also surfaces in the nearest body of water--is that a Thing among immortals or did someone just chuck his body in the nearest river after death too? Questions I'll never know the answer to, darn it.
And his pocketwatch doesn't disappear, so what universal principle is involved there?
The universal principle of "It fell out of my pocket?"
posted by jenfullmoon at 1:18 PM on May 6, 2015
The real mystery is how Henry still has that pocket watch. He carries it with him all the time, so it's been "left" at the scene of every one of his deaths. But some how he always gets it back?
posted by zinon at 3:00 PM on May 6, 2015
posted by zinon at 3:00 PM on May 6, 2015
Also, is Adam really Caesar or someone else who died during the murder?
I assumed he was just a loyal soldier. I mean, Caesar had a pretty well-known face in Rome - if he had turned up alive in the Tiber after the assassination, he wouldn't need to slink away in obscurity, he could have used it his new immortality to his advantage and stayed Emperor of Rome for centuries. At least until Christianity gained enough sway to turn people against him.
If nothing can kill Henry & Adam, they could theoretically keep living on Earth until there is some planetary-wide event that destroys the planet and all the bodies of water on it. I wonder if that would do it, or if they'd be forever-ed to another planet?
I can't help feeling sorry for Adam. As much of a psychopath as he is now, I don't think he's going to come out of that locked-in state any nicer. (And that doctor sure needs to work on his bedsides manner 'He can hear and understand everything we say, but I'm going total about him in the third person anyway'.)
posted by oh yeah! at 5:28 PM on May 6, 2015
I assumed he was just a loyal soldier. I mean, Caesar had a pretty well-known face in Rome - if he had turned up alive in the Tiber after the assassination, he wouldn't need to slink away in obscurity, he could have used it his new immortality to his advantage and stayed Emperor of Rome for centuries. At least until Christianity gained enough sway to turn people against him.
If nothing can kill Henry & Adam, they could theoretically keep living on Earth until there is some planetary-wide event that destroys the planet and all the bodies of water on it. I wonder if that would do it, or if they'd be forever-ed to another planet?
I can't help feeling sorry for Adam. As much of a psychopath as he is now, I don't think he's going to come out of that locked-in state any nicer. (And that doctor sure needs to work on his bedsides manner 'He can hear and understand everything we say, but I'm going total about him in the third person anyway'.)
posted by oh yeah! at 5:28 PM on May 6, 2015
The was a good ending for the season. I haven't been all that into this show, but that left me wanting another season.
posted by homunculus at 11:52 PM on May 6, 2015
posted by homunculus at 11:52 PM on May 6, 2015
I love how they had Henry tell Jo about his 'condition' in a very mature way. None of the 'will she find out or won't she' stuff shows usually drag on. I actually figured they'd eventually have Henry die in front of her, but they didn't even do that.
I really hope there's a season 2 so I can see her reaction. But I'm just glad it got more of a run than "New Amsterdam".
posted by mmoncur at 10:00 AM on May 7, 2015
I really hope there's a season 2 so I can see her reaction. But I'm just glad it got more of a run than "New Amsterdam".
posted by mmoncur at 10:00 AM on May 7, 2015
I enjoyed it a lot and hope it's renewed. Jo's deduction still seemed a bit of a leap. I'm not sure we really saw how she got there.
posted by idb at 10:19 AM on May 7, 2015
posted by idb at 10:19 AM on May 7, 2015
I doubt Jo knew, or even suspected the truth. But Henry's behavior throughout the case screamed cover-up. So when she found his watch and photo she gave him another chance to come clean.
Whatever happen to the Caesar Dagger? Did Adam pick it up or did Jo recover it?
posted by zinon at 1:30 PM on May 7, 2015
Whatever happen to the Caesar Dagger? Did Adam pick it up or did Jo recover it?
posted by zinon at 1:30 PM on May 7, 2015
If the rest of this season was as good as the finale, I'd be a lot more hopeful of it getting renewed. By far the best episode in the way it addressed the characters. A consistent problem with US network TV is that a 20+ episode season leads to too much filler.
posted by cardboard at 3:09 PM on May 7, 2015
posted by cardboard at 3:09 PM on May 7, 2015
Also, is Adam really Caesar or someone else who died during the murder? Did anyone else die during the murder, since he said he was trying to stop one?
I assumed he's not Caesar, but he died trying to save him. I hope one day we get a flashback telling the story. The downside of Henry being a relatively young immortal, as these stories go, is that his flashbacks don't go that far back. Adam, OTOH, would have 2,000 years worth of them.
posted by homunculus at 3:40 PM on May 7, 2015
I assumed he's not Caesar, but he died trying to save him. I hope one day we get a flashback telling the story. The downside of Henry being a relatively young immortal, as these stories go, is that his flashbacks don't go that far back. Adam, OTOH, would have 2,000 years worth of them.
posted by homunculus at 3:40 PM on May 7, 2015
Whatever happen to the Caesar Dagger? Did Adam pick it up or did Jo recover it?
I don't think they showed us either way, but for Lucas' sake I'm going to assume Jo recovered it and got it back into evidence before anyone else noticed.
posted by oh yeah! at 4:39 PM on May 7, 2015
I don't think they showed us either way, but for Lucas' sake I'm going to assume Jo recovered it and got it back into evidence before anyone else noticed.
posted by oh yeah! at 4:39 PM on May 7, 2015
Dang. =( We had a good time watching this show.
posted by curious nu at 3:38 PM on May 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by curious nu at 3:38 PM on May 8, 2015 [1 favorite]
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posted by localroger at 5:58 AM on May 9, 2015
posted by localroger at 5:58 AM on May 9, 2015
Aww, I'm going to miss you, strange little procedural.
posted by dinty_moore at 6:02 AM on May 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by dinty_moore at 6:02 AM on May 9, 2015 [1 favorite]
At least they didn't burn everything to the ground before they left.
posted by mimo at 7:56 PM on May 9, 2015
posted by mimo at 7:56 PM on May 9, 2015
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