Grimm: Cry Havoc
May 15, 2015 6:15 PM - Season 4, Episode 22 - Subscribe
After a horrifying discovery leaves Nick stunned, he is determined to get revenge; Juliette is lead farther down a dark path. (Season finale)
She was playing it off like she was talking to Nick, but it was a woman's voice on the other end, and we suspect it was that hawklike Wesen FBI agent lady that appeared at the end of the episode.
posted by Rat Spatula at 5:17 AM on May 16, 2015
posted by Rat Spatula at 5:17 AM on May 16, 2015
Aww, look at Claire Coffee's Instagram.
we suspect it was that hawklike Wesen FBI agent lady that appeared at the end of the episode.
Yeah, I thought it was FBI Agent Chavez too, that Trubel must have started working with her while she's been out of town looking after Josh. Trubel said on the phone that she would call her when Monroe & Rosalee were safe, so, she must have known they were on their way to Nick's when she killed Juliette.
I'm conflicted about the end of Juliette's story. Not that I would have wanted her to be magically redeemed in the finale, too many bridges were burned - but then I would never have expected Adalind to join Team Grimm after all the terrible things she did, so I was expecting this arc to carry over into next season. For it to end this way, after all they'd been through, I don't know.
posted by oh yeah! at 5:52 AM on May 16, 2015 [1 favorite]
we suspect it was that hawklike Wesen FBI agent lady that appeared at the end of the episode.
Yeah, I thought it was FBI Agent Chavez too, that Trubel must have started working with her while she's been out of town looking after Josh. Trubel said on the phone that she would call her when Monroe & Rosalee were safe, so, she must have known they were on their way to Nick's when she killed Juliette.
I'm conflicted about the end of Juliette's story. Not that I would have wanted her to be magically redeemed in the finale, too many bridges were burned - but then I would never have expected Adalind to join Team Grimm after all the terrible things she did, so I was expecting this arc to carry over into next season. For it to end this way, after all they'd been through, I don't know.
posted by oh yeah! at 5:52 AM on May 16, 2015 [1 favorite]
FBI Agent Chavez
Oh THAT'S who that was. I had totally forgotten all of that FBI-are-Wesen storyline.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 8:04 AM on May 16, 2015
Oh THAT'S who that was. I had totally forgotten all of that FBI-are-Wesen storyline.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 8:04 AM on May 16, 2015
So wait, are we sure Juliette is dead? I thought the last thing Agent Chavez said to her people was "get her," implying they were going in after Juliette (she wouldn't have meant Trubel since they're clearly working together.)
posted by homunculus at 10:01 AM on May 16, 2015
posted by homunculus at 10:01 AM on May 16, 2015
While I wouldn't put it past the writers to do a twist/rollback to a few seconds earlier cliffhanger resolution in the S5 premiere, I don't know. I watched it again, and though Juliette didn't have a dramatic last breath, she did seem to go completely still. I think Chavez' "Get her" line is misdirect for the cliffhanger, to make it seem that Trubel & Nick are about to be attacked, but instead Nick's going to be pulled into whatever it is that Chavez has Trubel involved in. And Chavez would only know about Juliette if Trubel had briefed her at some point, since only Team Grimm and a bunch of now-dead Royals knew she had become a hexenbiest. If she thought Chavez & her people were capable of capturing Juliette, she could have stalled instead of shooting the crossbow. (Unless the arrows were coated with some kind of poison/potion, and shooting was the stall tactic.)
posted by oh yeah! at 10:44 AM on May 16, 2015
posted by oh yeah! at 10:44 AM on May 16, 2015
This was an enjoyable episode, fun. Grimm has matured into a better show that I expected.
I am completely onboard with cleaning house: royals, trailer, Juliette, possibly the kid. I might have enjoyed the king making Juliette his queen if the actress had any ommph to her. As she doesn't, I'm glad they didn't go in that direction.
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 12:42 PM on May 16, 2015 [1 favorite]
I am completely onboard with cleaning house: royals, trailer, Juliette, possibly the kid. I might have enjoyed the king making Juliette his queen if the actress had any ommph to her. As she doesn't, I'm glad they didn't go in that direction.
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 12:42 PM on May 16, 2015 [1 favorite]
Phew, I was worried they were going to wimp out and make everything all better by the end. Instead we got a kick-ass episode and a really good season finale. I'm curious where it's going from here.
I enjoy the in-jokes they throwing in regarding how unrealistic the show can be at time, "Don't you guys ever sleep?". They writers know it doesn't always make sense, but they throw us a wink and a nod, and frankly, it's a show about monsters in Portland. I don't expect scientific accuracy.
The houses they film in are fantastic, makes me want to move to Portland. One part of the show I enjoy is that it doesn't look like it was filmed in LA or Canada. They use the city and surrounding area to their advantage and it gives the show a unique look.
posted by beowulf573 at 3:13 PM on May 16, 2015 [2 favorites]
I enjoy the in-jokes they throwing in regarding how unrealistic the show can be at time, "Don't you guys ever sleep?". They writers know it doesn't always make sense, but they throw us a wink and a nod, and frankly, it's a show about monsters in Portland. I don't expect scientific accuracy.
The houses they film in are fantastic, makes me want to move to Portland. One part of the show I enjoy is that it doesn't look like it was filmed in LA or Canada. They use the city and surrounding area to their advantage and it gives the show a unique look.
posted by beowulf573 at 3:13 PM on May 16, 2015 [2 favorites]
Great episode. Lots resolved, but in a way that lets more things happen later.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 6:21 PM on May 16, 2015
posted by the man of twists and turns at 6:21 PM on May 16, 2015
Because the crossbow bolts can be used to deliver poison, I figured Trubel used it to deliver a magically provided dose of the anti-Hexenbiest cure (by the Wesen-FBI?) Even though they made it look like Juliette died, there is still a chance for her to make it in the opening scene next season. But even if she does survive, I hope Juliette continues to be dangerous and interesting.
posted by insert.witticism.here at 2:20 PM on May 17, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by insert.witticism.here at 2:20 PM on May 17, 2015 [1 favorite]
I think Chavez' "Get her" line is misdirect for the cliffhanger
Bingo.
posted by homunculus at 7:14 PM on May 17, 2015
Bingo.
posted by homunculus at 7:14 PM on May 17, 2015
While I wouldn't put it past the writers to do a twist/rollback to a few seconds earlier cliffhanger resolution in the S5 premiere, I don't know. I watched it again, and though Juliette didn't have a dramatic last breath, she did seem to go completely still.
The immediately preceding episode had the use of a "seems like they're dead" potion. There was some misdirection on that with the use of the rubber bullets, but it was lampshaded.
posted by phearlez at 6:44 PM on May 18, 2015 [1 favorite]
The immediately preceding episode had the use of a "seems like they're dead" potion. There was some misdirection on that with the use of the rubber bullets, but it was lampshaded.
posted by phearlez at 6:44 PM on May 18, 2015 [1 favorite]
Loved Hank's deadpan as he led the captain to the solution to the "possessed by Jack the Ripper" problem.
Loved that the writers explicitly shut down the idea that Nick + Adalind will happen.
Loved Bud in these last episodes, actually through this whole season, I'd love to see a small sub-plot arc centered on him next season that takes him a little more seriously, since the writers have shown that they can write it, and Danny Bruno can certainly act it.
I think that's the end of Juliette for real, and while I long thought she was a fairly under-characterized, um, character, she certainly went out with a bang.
After this episode, I'm coming around to the idea that the Royals are only human - mostly from what the King said and how he acted. If the Royals had Wesen abilities, I would think the King would've shown them to his granddaughter, and used them to prevent being pushed out of the chopper. Plus his conversations with Juliette about how his family has always been appreciative of Hexenbiests, seen positive qualities where others have only been horrified, implies that the Royals have no abilities of their own. Of course, that just raises questions about how the Royals learned about Wesen, and how they seem to have so much power and authority in the Wesen world while having no special powers of their own.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:50 PM on May 19, 2015
Loved that the writers explicitly shut down the idea that Nick + Adalind will happen.
Loved Bud in these last episodes, actually through this whole season, I'd love to see a small sub-plot arc centered on him next season that takes him a little more seriously, since the writers have shown that they can write it, and Danny Bruno can certainly act it.
I think that's the end of Juliette for real, and while I long thought she was a fairly under-characterized, um, character, she certainly went out with a bang.
After this episode, I'm coming around to the idea that the Royals are only human - mostly from what the King said and how he acted. If the Royals had Wesen abilities, I would think the King would've shown them to his granddaughter, and used them to prevent being pushed out of the chopper. Plus his conversations with Juliette about how his family has always been appreciative of Hexenbiests, seen positive qualities where others have only been horrified, implies that the Royals have no abilities of their own. Of course, that just raises questions about how the Royals learned about Wesen, and how they seem to have so much power and authority in the Wesen world while having no special powers of their own.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:50 PM on May 19, 2015
Even though they made it look like Juliette died, there is still a chance for her to make it in the opening scene next season.
Renard survived being only mostly dead so it's not like they don't have precedent here.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:53 AM on December 3, 2021
Renard survived being only mostly dead so it's not like they don't have precedent here.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 11:53 AM on December 3, 2021
[The King's] conversations with Juliette about how his family has always been appreciative of Hexenbiests
Yeah, but that was more about the King being horny for hexenbiests, as Juliette pointedly notes by pointing out that he's Renard's father.
that just raises questions about how the Royals learned about Wesen, and how they seem to have so much power and authority in the Wesen world while having no special powers of their own.
Do they though? Other than having the Verrat as their enforcers, do the Royals have much influence over, or presence in, Wesen society? It feels to me like the Wesen Council wields more power but that's a separate entity to the Royal families, right?
Almost 5 seasons into this rewatch and I still don't understand what the deal is with the Royals; fairly sure the show doesn't either, but they like having them around to serve as mustache-twirling villains.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 12:03 PM on December 3, 2021
Yeah, but that was more about the King being horny for hexenbiests, as Juliette pointedly notes by pointing out that he's Renard's father.
that just raises questions about how the Royals learned about Wesen, and how they seem to have so much power and authority in the Wesen world while having no special powers of their own.
Do they though? Other than having the Verrat as their enforcers, do the Royals have much influence over, or presence in, Wesen society? It feels to me like the Wesen Council wields more power but that's a separate entity to the Royal families, right?
Almost 5 seasons into this rewatch and I still don't understand what the deal is with the Royals; fairly sure the show doesn't either, but they like having them around to serve as mustache-twirling villains.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 12:03 PM on December 3, 2021
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Also, bye hammy Kenneth; he was fun in a scenery-chewing fashion.
Was there something hinky about the phone call that Trubel took in the car -- in a "not the caller that she's pretending it is" way -- or was I just distracted and imagining it?
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 10:45 PM on May 15, 2015