Orphan Black: History Yet to Be Written
June 20, 2015 3:38 PM - Season 3, Episode 10 - Subscribe
Kendall may be the key to stop Castor; the sisters appear to be thwarting their most dangerous foe.
I thought it was a great season finale. I'm glad we're done with Castor and now I have so many questions for next season.
- Who shot Delphine?
- Is Delphine dead ?
- Is Shay really innocent or is she a neolutionist?
- Will they find a cure for Mark and the Leda clones ?
- What was that worm ?
- Is doctor Cody still alive ?
- Will Krystal be a part of cloneclub ?
- What does neolution want ?
And now the long wait for next season starts.
posted by Pendragon at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
- Who shot Delphine?
- Is Delphine dead ?
- Is Shay really innocent or is she a neolutionist?
- Will they find a cure for Mark and the Leda clones ?
- What was that worm ?
- Is doctor Cody still alive ?
- Will Krystal be a part of cloneclub ?
- What does neolution want ?
And now the long wait for next season starts.
posted by Pendragon at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
The question of who shot Delphine reminds me of the Three Stooges episode "Spook Louder", where randomly thrown pies afflict the participants. At the end of the episode, when an interviewer desperately asks the professor telling the story, "But who threw the pies?", the professor admits to throwing them himself — and then is hit by a pie from out of nowhere. I really can imagine John Fawcett cackling over pies as they planned this event.
Perhaps it's for that reason that I suspect we haven't seen the last of Delphine.
I'll be very surprised if Shay is innocent. Is ANYONE in that show? It wouldn't surprise me if Alison's campaign assistant turns out to be a neolutionist.
Eventually they will find a cure, because otherwise everyone except Sarah and Helena will have to die, and that will be too sad.
That worm was creepy. A parasite that had taken over the doctor's life? That's why they were trying to build the clones, they wanted an army of hosts?
Does anyone EVER die on this show??? I think Doc Cody might still be alive.
How can Krystal NOT become part of cloneclub, now that they know about her and she knows about them?
Great show, great ending to the third season. I love how they resolved so many things while introducing even more.
posted by ubiquity at 3:09 AM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
Perhaps it's for that reason that I suspect we haven't seen the last of Delphine.
I'll be very surprised if Shay is innocent. Is ANYONE in that show? It wouldn't surprise me if Alison's campaign assistant turns out to be a neolutionist.
Eventually they will find a cure, because otherwise everyone except Sarah and Helena will have to die, and that will be too sad.
That worm was creepy. A parasite that had taken over the doctor's life? That's why they were trying to build the clones, they wanted an army of hosts?
Does anyone EVER die on this show??? I think Doc Cody might still be alive.
How can Krystal NOT become part of cloneclub, now that they know about her and she knows about them?
Great show, great ending to the third season. I love how they resolved so many things while introducing even more.
posted by ubiquity at 3:09 AM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
Thorzdad, the original intent was to have this be a three-season story, so there was definitely some finality going on.
The Inside Orphan Black for this episode was about filming the dinner scene at Bubbles. It was shot over several days. The first part was scripted but the casual conversation at the end was Maslany improvising with herself and other cast members.
posted by plastic_animals at 6:13 AM on June 21, 2015
The Inside Orphan Black for this episode was about filming the dinner scene at Bubbles. It was shot over several days. The first part was scripted but the casual conversation at the end was Maslany improvising with herself and other cast members.
posted by plastic_animals at 6:13 AM on June 21, 2015
I loved this episode. I loved the excitement, the way they wrapped up a whole bunch of plot threads, the nice pause for everyone to have dinner (no Scott at dinner? Maybe he had his gaming group?) and the absolute tragic way that Delphine was going around saying goodbye to everyone without anyone realizing it was goodbye.
I don't think Delphine's dead but I do wonder if she's going to get implanted with the creepy worm while she's in an incapacitated state. Is it like a Ceti eel?
People die on this show all the time. Leekie. Paul (poor Paul!). Helena and Sarah's host mom. I think Doc Cody is dead dead dead.
They've got to bring back Krystal next season. GOT. TO. I want to see her and Alison interact. Alison has always seemed like the most "different" clone and Krystal has at least a little similarity to her. And having Krystal try to come to terms with it when she finds TWINS creepy is going to be an interesting narrative to follow. Will she decide Sisterhood Is Powerful or will she decide to kill them all?
OMG Ferdinand was FANTASTIC this episode. Scary and violent and hilarious all at once. I sure hope they're bringing HIM back. And I love how that plays to the shifting allegiances on the show.
I loved the way Alison gave her little tribute to Donnie this episode. I love their kind of bizarre little relationship to pieces and I'm glad to see Alison does too.
I get the sense from interviews with the producers that they want to bring Shay back but it all has to do with Kzenia Solo's availability. Fingers crossed.
Next season I want a good, meaty Felix plotline.
posted by rednikki at 10:05 AM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
I don't think Delphine's dead but I do wonder if she's going to get implanted with the creepy worm while she's in an incapacitated state. Is it like a Ceti eel?
People die on this show all the time. Leekie. Paul (poor Paul!). Helena and Sarah's host mom. I think Doc Cody is dead dead dead.
They've got to bring back Krystal next season. GOT. TO. I want to see her and Alison interact. Alison has always seemed like the most "different" clone and Krystal has at least a little similarity to her. And having Krystal try to come to terms with it when she finds TWINS creepy is going to be an interesting narrative to follow. Will she decide Sisterhood Is Powerful or will she decide to kill them all?
OMG Ferdinand was FANTASTIC this episode. Scary and violent and hilarious all at once. I sure hope they're bringing HIM back. And I love how that plays to the shifting allegiances on the show.
I loved the way Alison gave her little tribute to Donnie this episode. I love their kind of bizarre little relationship to pieces and I'm glad to see Alison does too.
I get the sense from interviews with the producers that they want to bring Shay back but it all has to do with Kzenia Solo's availability. Fingers crossed.
Next season I want a good, meaty Felix plotline.
posted by rednikki at 10:05 AM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
It's a short list who shot Delphine, as Delphine both recognized the assassin and asked the assassin about 'her' (Cosima, of course!). So I'm saying Shay.
posted by Mogur at 11:05 AM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Mogur at 11:05 AM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
I feel like it has to be Shay. If it were someone known to be nefarious, it wouldn't make sense not to show us who they were (unless it's someone totally unexpected -- like Paul!).
posted by kittens for breakfast at 11:23 AM on June 21, 2015
posted by kittens for breakfast at 11:23 AM on June 21, 2015
I don't think Delphine's dead but I do wonder if she's going to get implanted with the creepy worm while she's in an incapacitated state. Is it like a Ceti eel?
It's a Goa'uld.
posted by scalefree at 11:40 AM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
It's a Goa'uld.
posted by scalefree at 11:40 AM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
There's no way it was Shay who shot Delphine. Delphine didn't seem at all surprised to see who her shooter was. Delphine wouldn't have given her blessing to Shay and told her to to have Cosima explain everything if she still thought she was a bad guy.
posted by amro at 11:44 AM on June 21, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by amro at 11:44 AM on June 21, 2015 [5 favorites]
Delphine may have believed that Shay wasn't the Castor mole, but she may not have even considered that she is a Neolutionist. Then again, if it were Shay I would have expected a much different reaction from Delphine.
Scott would be another person who cares about Cosima. Maybe his interest in genetics led him to become a Neolutionist long ago? There's been no indication that he is the slightest bit shady, let alone a potential murderer, and there is the logistical problem of how he gets from Bubbles to the garage before Delphine arrives.
posted by plastic_animals at 12:20 PM on June 21, 2015
Scott would be another person who cares about Cosima. Maybe his interest in genetics led him to become a Neolutionist long ago? There's been no indication that he is the slightest bit shady, let alone a potential murderer, and there is the logistical problem of how he gets from Bubbles to the garage before Delphine arrives.
posted by plastic_animals at 12:20 PM on June 21, 2015
I also don't think Delphine is dead, people get shot all of the time on this show and don't die (Helena & Mark are two I can think of off the top of my head). We didn't see a dead body, so... I also don't think Dr. Coady is dead either. I think she's been whisked away to a Neolutionist hideaway for some heinous purpose.
I absolutely loved the scene with Helena and Rudy when they were lying on the floor. She really does feel a connection to all of her brothers and sisters, doesn't she? Also, I don't think that the Castor clones we've met are the only ones that were born (made?... born). They were the only that we know of, but I bet there are more. Just like Leda clones keep popping up all over the place, I'm betting that there are other Castor clones out there, just not under Dr. Coady's care, as these were. I honestly don't think we've seen the end of Castor.
I'm also glad that they didn't invent a new enemy but simply made an old one (the Neolutionists) stronger. That keeps the storyline in the realm of "real" rather than throwing a new enemy at the clones to fight. Though they still have a fair share of old enemies to deal with, and some loose ends to clean up. For example, the drug money in the Hendrix's freezer, that's not going to come without consequences. And Alison's drug-running school chum isn't going to just fall off the face of the Earth. And what are they going to do with Krystal now that she's in Dyad. I mean, is she still in Dyad, or did Delphine get her out before she made her own escape?
And... the really big question. What are they going to do about Cosima's ongoing illness? What's she going to do now that she doesn't have Dyad's equipment to work with? Yeah, she has the original genome, but what's she going to do with it? She's not rich enough to have her own lab, right? Delphine was her way into Dyad. Now Delphine is (maybe) dead and definitely out of the picture, so... Also, Helena's "bebbies". They're running out of time fast, if they're still viable at all. The clones need a new laboratory, fast. Which means they need a new patron. Where are they going to find one?
On a completely different note... I figured the worm thing was meant to kill Delphine. Some kind of parasite that dude (forgot his name) kept in a pill casing in his mouth so it wouldn't kill him. When he felt threatened by Delphine, he broke the casing and tried to put it inside her so it would kill her. I have no idea what kind of worm it was, but that was my theory. I read an interview with one of the writers that said they weren't going to stray too far into Science Fiction territory, just dip their toes in a tiny bit. They wanted to stay on the sunny side of realistic and keep as close to scientifically plausible as they could (paraphrasing). So, no mind altering worms is what I got out of that interview.
posted by patheral at 12:27 PM on June 21, 2015
I absolutely loved the scene with Helena and Rudy when they were lying on the floor. She really does feel a connection to all of her brothers and sisters, doesn't she? Also, I don't think that the Castor clones we've met are the only ones that were born (made?... born). They were the only that we know of, but I bet there are more. Just like Leda clones keep popping up all over the place, I'm betting that there are other Castor clones out there, just not under Dr. Coady's care, as these were. I honestly don't think we've seen the end of Castor.
I'm also glad that they didn't invent a new enemy but simply made an old one (the Neolutionists) stronger. That keeps the storyline in the realm of "real" rather than throwing a new enemy at the clones to fight. Though they still have a fair share of old enemies to deal with, and some loose ends to clean up. For example, the drug money in the Hendrix's freezer, that's not going to come without consequences. And Alison's drug-running school chum isn't going to just fall off the face of the Earth. And what are they going to do with Krystal now that she's in Dyad. I mean, is she still in Dyad, or did Delphine get her out before she made her own escape?
And... the really big question. What are they going to do about Cosima's ongoing illness? What's she going to do now that she doesn't have Dyad's equipment to work with? Yeah, she has the original genome, but what's she going to do with it? She's not rich enough to have her own lab, right? Delphine was her way into Dyad. Now Delphine is (maybe) dead and definitely out of the picture, so... Also, Helena's "bebbies". They're running out of time fast, if they're still viable at all. The clones need a new laboratory, fast. Which means they need a new patron. Where are they going to find one?
On a completely different note... I figured the worm thing was meant to kill Delphine. Some kind of parasite that dude (forgot his name) kept in a pill casing in his mouth so it wouldn't kill him. When he felt threatened by Delphine, he broke the casing and tried to put it inside her so it would kill her. I have no idea what kind of worm it was, but that was my theory. I read an interview with one of the writers that said they weren't going to stray too far into Science Fiction territory, just dip their toes in a tiny bit. They wanted to stay on the sunny side of realistic and keep as close to scientifically plausible as they could (paraphrasing). So, no mind altering worms is what I got out of that interview.
posted by patheral at 12:27 PM on June 21, 2015
This season was sort of a mess (what, other than the funny, was the point of Alison's turn as a drug dealer? That went no where) and while I like the Castor concept in principle, I feel like they didn't know where to go with it.
I'm glad we're back at square one a bit with some new pieces to move us forward. (I'd like to see some kind of time jump for the next season -- a year, two years, whatever.)
I still have faith in this show and I feel more optimistic about season four at the end of this episode than I did at the beginning of it.
posted by darksong at 12:28 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm glad we're back at square one a bit with some new pieces to move us forward. (I'd like to see some kind of time jump for the next season -- a year, two years, whatever.)
I still have faith in this show and I feel more optimistic about season four at the end of this episode than I did at the beginning of it.
posted by darksong at 12:28 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
Scott would be another person who cares about Cosima. Maybe his interest in genetics led him to become a Neolutionist long ago?
Assuming this goes on and we get a new season or a movie, I would hate it if Scott turned out to not be what he seems. That would be one of those phony rabbits out of a hat that past-it shows do and a real "I'm done with this show" moment for me. Like Felix, Scott is great because he is what he is; I'm trusting them not to fuck that up.
Better show that ends well than show that goes on until it gets desperate and eats its own internal organs.
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:47 PM on June 21, 2015 [10 favorites]
Assuming this goes on and we get a new season or a movie, I would hate it if Scott turned out to not be what he seems. That would be one of those phony rabbits out of a hat that past-it shows do and a real "I'm done with this show" moment for me. Like Felix, Scott is great because he is what he is; I'm trusting them not to fuck that up.
Better show that ends well than show that goes on until it gets desperate and eats its own internal organs.
posted by George_Spiggott at 12:47 PM on June 21, 2015 [10 favorites]
This interview implies heavily that Delphine is dead (but doesn't outright say it). Orphan Black creator breaks down that 'tragic' season finale
posted by patheral at 1:27 PM on June 21, 2015
posted by patheral at 1:27 PM on June 21, 2015
The thing that blew me away in this episode isn't the first thing one would guess. It's that Tatiana Maslany, restrained, bandaged, with a tube up her nose and with almost no lines, was still clearly and unmistakeably Krystal -- a character we barely know, yet -- and nobody else. I'm not even sure I understand how hard that is to do.
posted by George_Spiggott at 1:36 PM on June 21, 2015 [18 favorites]
posted by George_Spiggott at 1:36 PM on June 21, 2015 [18 favorites]
what, other than the funny, was the point of Alison's turn as a drug dealer? That went no where
I'm betting all that money will come in handy when they have to build their own lab.
posted by amro at 1:52 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm betting all that money will come in handy when they have to build their own lab.
posted by amro at 1:52 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
what, other than the funny, was the point of Alison's turn as a drug dealer? That went no where
I think Donnie and Helena bonding was part of it too.
Helena's showdown with Rudy was epic.
posted by homunculus at 2:07 PM on June 21, 2015
I think Donnie and Helena bonding was part of it too.
Helena's showdown with Rudy was epic.
posted by homunculus at 2:07 PM on June 21, 2015
Helena's showdown with Rudy was epic.
The best part was Helena's comforting of Rudy as he died. It was a bit like comforting a pet as you have it put down.
posted by Thorzdad at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015 [7 favorites]
The best part was Helena's comforting of Rudy as he died. It was a bit like comforting a pet as you have it put down.
posted by Thorzdad at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015 [7 favorites]
no Scott at dinner? Maybe he had his gaming group?
Scott was totally at the dinner party, he sat next to Cosima.
posted by Pendragon at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
Scott was totally at the dinner party, he sat next to Cosima.
posted by Pendragon at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015 [3 favorites]
Someone help me! Why did Delphine just give up after being told she was going to die? Initially I thought that Neo Guy had infected her just by their contact (even though he didn't manage to spit the worm in her mouth, ugh). But that wasn't it. So why didn't she go into hiding or something? Why not tell the clones? Why instead go around saying cryptic goodbyes and walking around empty garages with no protection?
posted by torticat at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015
posted by torticat at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015
Wow, that was intense. That moment with Ferdinand... I was hating him sooo much before this episode.
I'm kinda tired of "secret organization behind secret organization" and that much spying stuff (come on, it's supposed to be sci-fi, not a crime show!) but I absolutely love the character development!
posted by floatboth at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015
I'm kinda tired of "secret organization behind secret organization" and that much spying stuff (come on, it's supposed to be sci-fi, not a crime show!) but I absolutely love the character development!
posted by floatboth at 2:30 PM on June 21, 2015
what, other than the funny, was the point of Alison's turn as a drug dealer? That went no where
I'm betting all that money will come in handy when they have to build their own lab.
Exactly. Lots and lots and lots of money. Guilt-free money (in the moral universe of the show) because the people Helena took it from were extreme baddies.
Also the funny, yeah. And the bonding between Donnie and Helena which was awesome (love that he called her Monster while serving her at the dinner).
posted by torticat at 2:33 PM on June 21, 2015
I'm betting all that money will come in handy when they have to build their own lab.
Exactly. Lots and lots and lots of money. Guilt-free money (in the moral universe of the show) because the people Helena took it from were extreme baddies.
Also the funny, yeah. And the bonding between Donnie and Helena which was awesome (love that he called her Monster while serving her at the dinner).
posted by torticat at 2:33 PM on June 21, 2015
Also I don't think Delphine's dead, and I also think that assassin was not very competent, or alternatively that he/she was not intending to kill. You want to assassinate someone, you shoot them in the head, not the stomach, no?
posted by torticat at 2:36 PM on June 21, 2015
posted by torticat at 2:36 PM on June 21, 2015
I just realized that they might not know who the shooter is yet. Might depend on who they can get for S4.
posted by Mogur at 3:23 PM on June 21, 2015
posted by Mogur at 3:23 PM on June 21, 2015
I'm kinda tired of "secret organization behind secret organization" and that much spying stuff (come on, it's supposed to be sci-fi, not a crime show!) but I absolutely love the character development!
Actually, the Neolutions and the Proletheans have been around since the first season, as have all of the cloak and dagger spying stuff -- Sarah started out impersonating Beth to get her money but stayed to infiltrate Dyad... so there's nothing new there. The spying stuff is what the show is built on, it wouldn't be the same show without it IMHO.
posted by patheral at 4:35 PM on June 21, 2015
Actually, the Neolutions and the Proletheans have been around since the first season, as have all of the cloak and dagger spying stuff -- Sarah started out impersonating Beth to get her money but stayed to infiltrate Dyad... so there's nothing new there. The spying stuff is what the show is built on, it wouldn't be the same show without it IMHO.
posted by patheral at 4:35 PM on June 21, 2015
It also seems like they are setting things up for a sort of endgame, so I think we're probably done with most of the secret-org-behind-secret-org reveals (I'd say Shay is the wild card here, but if she has a link to a secret organization, my guess is that it would be to Neolution.) The 'who' questions have mostly been answered, and Susan/Rachel are being set up as the primary antagonists going forward. While there are still some unanswered questions (is Marion Bowles dead? is Coady dead? are there more Castors out there?), the basic thrust of the plot for the next season seems apparent, even if we don't have a lot of details.
Not going to quote or refer to it here because of potential for future season spoilers, but the AV Club interview with Graeme Manson after the finale hints at some answers to a few of the questions we're all asking for those who are inclined to seek them out.
posted by Kosh at 5:07 PM on June 21, 2015
Not going to quote or refer to it here because of potential for future season spoilers, but the AV Club interview with Graeme Manson after the finale hints at some answers to a few of the questions we're all asking for those who are inclined to seek them out.
posted by Kosh at 5:07 PM on June 21, 2015
Also I don't think Delphine's dead, and I also think that assassin was not very competent, or alternatively that he/she was not intending to kill. You want to assassinate someone, you shoot them in the head, not the stomach, no?
I'd like to see Delphine live, but, judging by the blood from the exit wound (the large smear across the car) I'd say she's probably done. Unless there's some kind of Neolution voodoo applied to her, of course.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:38 PM on June 21, 2015
I'd like to see Delphine live, but, judging by the blood from the exit wound (the large smear across the car) I'd say she's probably done. Unless there's some kind of Neolution voodoo applied to her, of course.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:38 PM on June 21, 2015
With Delphine dead how does the Leda team get access to the lab? Through their new, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, ally Ferdinand, right? Perhaps he is a Neolutionist pretending to hate Neolutionists in order to get the upper hand on Leda. Beating your henchman, we don't actually see him die, is a small price for him to pay. Ferdinand is also someone Delphine would have a clinical, unemotional reaction to before she is killed.
posted by plastic_animals at 6:10 PM on June 21, 2015
posted by plastic_animals at 6:10 PM on June 21, 2015
I agree that this season was a bit of a mess, but I really enjoyed the finale. My guess too is the drug money will be buying lots of SCIENCE gear. I look forward to lab assistant Helena. Delphine... I think she's gone. Maybe the writers will change their mind in the off season, but everything for her in this episode, especially that last scene with Cosima, felt like a goodbye for her. We'll see I guess.
Also, this makes two season finales in the last few months that have used Sigur Ros for feelings. Found that a bit funny.
posted by sparkletone at 7:33 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
Also, this makes two season finales in the last few months that have used Sigur Ros for feelings. Found that a bit funny.
posted by sparkletone at 7:33 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
Yeah, I don't think it was Scott who shot Delphine because he was at the dinner party. But it could have been Marion Bowles, and how did Charlotte get to where Rachel was anyway? I really hope it wasn't Ferdinand, because I enjoyed his turn for the wacky.
I watched the last two episodes all together because I was out of town last weekend, and I'm really glad I got to see them without the cliffhanger. They were very strong as a two-hour arc. Not a lot of filler.
posted by immlass at 7:40 PM on June 21, 2015
I watched the last two episodes all together because I was out of town last weekend, and I'm really glad I got to see them without the cliffhanger. They were very strong as a two-hour arc. Not a lot of filler.
posted by immlass at 7:40 PM on June 21, 2015
I love when Orphan Black drops a feminist/minority talking point right in the middle of the action, and it doesn't have to be a likable character who drops it. Like when Scott, bless his heart, is talking about a "chimera" and Kendall Malone spits out "I'm Right. Bloody. Here."
posted by torticat at 8:18 PM on June 21, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by torticat at 8:18 PM on June 21, 2015 [4 favorites]
I had all the feels during this episode. Donnie tracking down Helena's boyfriend. The complex, tangled web of abandonment and betrayal and desperate, powerless loving that emerged between Sarah, Mrs S and Malone, against the heartless actions of Leekie and Duncan. Helena's incredible compassion for the dying Rudy that still managed to convey all of her anger and strength - the gentle way she said "You are rapist" to him encapsulates all of the contradiction and complexity of the character. The terrible finality of Cosima and Delphine's kiss. Badass Fee sticking the boot in.
I was excited to hear about the Neolutionists again - it was one of those threads that got lost in all the Castor/Leda squabbling. I always felt the Neolution-vs.-Prolethean ideological contrast was more interesting than the grar-military-biological-complex that Castor represent. I mean, I like Mark, but Ari Millen doesn't have the multi-character chops to embody all the Castor clones (although Rudy's memory of all the little clones cuddling together in a corner of their dorm was strangely affecting). I'm looking forward to the next season - what's Susan Duncan up to? Will Rachel escape her clutches (and do we even want her to? Do we want her to finally get her comeuppance?) What about the deal with the devil that Clone Club have made with Ferdinand?
It's not perfect, but by Bog it's the best thing on telly.
posted by prismatic7 at 10:15 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
I was excited to hear about the Neolutionists again - it was one of those threads that got lost in all the Castor/Leda squabbling. I always felt the Neolution-vs.-Prolethean ideological contrast was more interesting than the grar-military-biological-complex that Castor represent. I mean, I like Mark, but Ari Millen doesn't have the multi-character chops to embody all the Castor clones (although Rudy's memory of all the little clones cuddling together in a corner of their dorm was strangely affecting). I'm looking forward to the next season - what's Susan Duncan up to? Will Rachel escape her clutches (and do we even want her to? Do we want her to finally get her comeuppance?) What about the deal with the devil that Clone Club have made with Ferdinand?
It's not perfect, but by Bog it's the best thing on telly.
posted by prismatic7 at 10:15 PM on June 21, 2015 [2 favorites]
The complex, tangled web of abandonment and betrayal and desperate, powerless loving that emerged between Sarah, Mrs S and Malone
Yes this was so good! In the final scene with Kira my initial thought was, Felix ought to be there! And Cal! And then I realized how awesome it was that they weren't (much as I love them), that that last scene had to do only with Sarah, Siobhan, Kendall, and Kira. So great, and so rare on TV to see something like this.
posted by torticat at 10:54 PM on June 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yes this was so good! In the final scene with Kira my initial thought was, Felix ought to be there! And Cal! And then I realized how awesome it was that they weren't (much as I love them), that that last scene had to do only with Sarah, Siobhan, Kendall, and Kira. So great, and so rare on TV to see something like this.
posted by torticat at 10:54 PM on June 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
Like when Scott, bless his heart, is talking about a "chimera" and Kendall Malone spits out "I'm Right. Bloody. Here."
To follow up on my own comment (apologies)... after that Scott responds in the best possible way, no defensiveness, he just says "sorry" and then addresses himself directly to Kendall.
A bit after that Cosima has that great line with a (very hostile) Kendall when she says, "We're kinda over the whole 'bad copy' thing. It's way more accurate to say..."
Just such perfect dialogue.
posted by torticat at 10:59 PM on June 21, 2015 [4 favorites]
To follow up on my own comment (apologies)... after that Scott responds in the best possible way, no defensiveness, he just says "sorry" and then addresses himself directly to Kendall.
A bit after that Cosima has that great line with a (very hostile) Kendall when she says, "We're kinda over the whole 'bad copy' thing. It's way more accurate to say..."
Just such perfect dialogue.
posted by torticat at 10:59 PM on June 21, 2015 [4 favorites]
Okay what was that worm.
The evil guy was all heh heh the science is further than you can even guess and you know what I am full of WORMS
I mean, WTAF was that fucking gross worm. I mean, what neovolution thingy would be all, 'we have white eyes and are full of WORMS'?
I mean it was a bloody worm that crawled out of his mouth.
And why didn't Delphine say, the evil guys are full of WORMS when she was saying her goodbyes.
posted by angrycat at 5:29 AM on June 22, 2015 [3 favorites]
The evil guy was all heh heh the science is further than you can even guess and you know what I am full of WORMS
I mean, WTAF was that fucking gross worm. I mean, what neovolution thingy would be all, 'we have white eyes and are full of WORMS'?
I mean it was a bloody worm that crawled out of his mouth.
And why didn't Delphine say, the evil guys are full of WORMS when she was saying her goodbyes.
posted by angrycat at 5:29 AM on June 22, 2015 [3 favorites]
Hmm, so maybe that tail from season 1 was actually a worm ? NOOOO!!!!!!!!
posted by Pendragon at 6:50 AM on June 22, 2015
posted by Pendragon at 6:50 AM on June 22, 2015
Leekie and the Neolutionists turned into the worst parts of season one; I'm a little apprehensive of their return. Though to be fair a lot of that was from the very public face, their outside followers, and Dr Leekie himself; there may well be something interesting in there.
posted by mountmccabe at 7:45 AM on June 22, 2015
posted by mountmccabe at 7:45 AM on June 22, 2015
I really liked those episode. The Helena-Rudy scene was amazing.
Ferdinand's turn was huge, though I'm a little confused about his motivation. Is he that concerned about Rachel? Does he hate Neolutionists that much?
They did a nice job of setting us up for Susan Duncan in this episode, though I'm trying to remember what we knew about her previously.
posted by mountmccabe at 7:53 AM on June 22, 2015
Ferdinand's turn was huge, though I'm a little confused about his motivation. Is he that concerned about Rachel? Does he hate Neolutionists that much?
They did a nice job of setting us up for Susan Duncan in this episode, though I'm trying to remember what we knew about her previously.
posted by mountmccabe at 7:53 AM on June 22, 2015
The best part was Helena's comforting of Rudy as he died. It was a bit like comforting a pet as you have it put down.
Except that Helena didn't have Rudy put down, she killed him. And watched him "winding down like toy." And when he compared himself to a puppy, she said she was set up to kill puppies. And then told him "you poison women" and "no, you are a rapist."
I took that scene as a bit more cold than it seems others did. Helena does have compassion watching her brother die, but she also doesn't mince words about why he needs to.
posted by torticat at 8:53 AM on June 22, 2015 [3 favorites]
Except that Helena didn't have Rudy put down, she killed him. And watched him "winding down like toy." And when he compared himself to a puppy, she said she was set up to kill puppies. And then told him "you poison women" and "no, you are a rapist."
I took that scene as a bit more cold than it seems others did. Helena does have compassion watching her brother die, but she also doesn't mince words about why he needs to.
posted by torticat at 8:53 AM on June 22, 2015 [3 favorites]
Ferdinand's turn was huge, though I'm a little confused about his motivation. Is he that concerned about Rachel? Does he hate Neolutionists that much?
If you recall, when Sarah was posing as Rachel, we saw that Rachel and Ferdinand quite obviously had a relationship far deeper that mere co-workers.
I'm at a point now that I think I need to go back and re-watch season 1, and maybe 2, just to get all the entanglements clearer in my head.
posted by Thorzdad at 9:39 AM on June 22, 2015 [1 favorite]
If you recall, when Sarah was posing as Rachel, we saw that Rachel and Ferdinand quite obviously had a relationship far deeper that mere co-workers.
I'm at a point now that I think I need to go back and re-watch season 1, and maybe 2, just to get all the entanglements clearer in my head.
posted by Thorzdad at 9:39 AM on June 22, 2015 [1 favorite]
Also, Helena's "bebbies". They're running out of time fast, if they're still viable at all.
The bebbies are in a special Writer's Containment field. They will be viable as long as they need to be — but no longer.
posted by ubiquity at 10:07 AM on June 22, 2015 [6 favorites]
The bebbies are in a special Writer's Containment field. They will be viable as long as they need to be — but no longer.
posted by ubiquity at 10:07 AM on June 22, 2015 [6 favorites]
I hear some rumblings in cloneclub about the (possible) death of Delphine . Some people are upset because it's a trope to kill off gay characters.
I feel that this is not a case of Dead Lesbian Syndrome because Delphine was playing a dangerous game and was taking risks. Also, earlier this season Paul died in similar circumstances.
So what does everybody else think ?
posted by Pendragon at 1:12 AM on June 23, 2015
I feel that this is not a case of Dead Lesbian Syndrome because Delphine was playing a dangerous game and was taking risks. Also, earlier this season Paul died in similar circumstances.
So what does everybody else think ?
posted by Pendragon at 1:12 AM on June 23, 2015
I'm not a lesbian, so I don't think I can speak to Dead Lesbian Syndrome, but there are a lot of dead named characters in this show. And not just the clones who have died after only a brief appearances (e.g., Beth and most of the Castor clones), but important and prominent characters like Paul and Leekie. And Rudy this episode, for that matter. Also, it's not like Cosima is going to be Forever Alone if Delphine really is dead; even if she and Shay don't hook back up, it's already been demonstrated that she's capable of moving on to other women. So it seems to me like Delphine got hit for being a player in the game, not because she's gay.
I knew there were going to be a lot of pissed Cophine fans if Delphine proved out to be dead. I'm personally expecting her to come back as a Neolutionist mutate sometime in S4 with some severe body horror after Nealon.
posted by immlass at 8:31 AM on June 23, 2015
I knew there were going to be a lot of pissed Cophine fans if Delphine proved out to be dead. I'm personally expecting her to come back as a Neolutionist mutate sometime in S4 with some severe body horror after Nealon.
posted by immlass at 8:31 AM on June 23, 2015
That was a great finale. I can't wait for more!
I also immediately thought it was Shay that shot Delphine, and that she's a Neolutionist, but I'm holding out hope that she's genuinely good.
posted by numaner at 1:29 PM on June 23, 2015
I also immediately thought it was Shay that shot Delphine, and that she's a Neolutionist, but I'm holding out hope that she's genuinely good.
posted by numaner at 1:29 PM on June 23, 2015
I may be alone in that I didn't think Delphine knew her assassin. She just realized that whatever character it was standing in front of her (who has likely yet to be cast/decided on) was going to kill her like Dr. Scruffyworm promised, even if it was just a random guy wearing generic clothes.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 4:03 AM on June 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 4:03 AM on June 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
Thorzdad: If you recall, when Sarah was posing as Rachel, we saw that Rachel and Ferdinand quite obviously had a relationship far deeper that mere co-workers.
I'm at a point now that I think I need to go back and re-watch season 1, and maybe 2, just to get all the entanglements clearer in my head.
Yes, I recall that Rachel and Ferdinand had more going on, but it didn't seem like the sort of thing he'd switch loyalties/upend his life so abruptly for. I mean, I realize he's not an honorary member of Clone Club or anything, but he did kill off his goon, which when it gets out (or is suspected) is going to ruin any future he has with Topside. He's going to be on thin ice and then dead or on the run.
And yes! I am certainly planning to rewatch all three seasons over the next 9 months or whatever we have to wait.
posted by mountmccabe at 9:43 AM on June 24, 2015
I'm at a point now that I think I need to go back and re-watch season 1, and maybe 2, just to get all the entanglements clearer in my head.
Yes, I recall that Rachel and Ferdinand had more going on, but it didn't seem like the sort of thing he'd switch loyalties/upend his life so abruptly for. I mean, I realize he's not an honorary member of Clone Club or anything, but he did kill off his goon, which when it gets out (or is suspected) is going to ruin any future he has with Topside. He's going to be on thin ice and then dead or on the run.
And yes! I am certainly planning to rewatch all three seasons over the next 9 months or whatever we have to wait.
posted by mountmccabe at 9:43 AM on June 24, 2015
I think what we saw from Ferdinand in the finale is an utter revulsion at the idea that he was somebody else's pawn -- which fits nicely with his sexual tastes. Control issues all around.
He was really fun in that scene, though, so I sure hope he sticks around as a supporting player.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 10:34 AM on June 24, 2015 [5 favorites]
He was really fun in that scene, though, so I sure hope he sticks around as a supporting player.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 10:34 AM on June 24, 2015 [5 favorites]
Rachel's bionic eye was pretty neat.
posted by Bunny Boneyology at 4:39 PM on June 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Bunny Boneyology at 4:39 PM on June 24, 2015 [1 favorite]
I may be alone in that I didn't think Delphine knew her assassin. She just realized that whatever character it was standing in front of her (who has likely yet to be cast/decided on) was going to kill her like Dr. Scruffyworm promised, even if it was just a random guy wearing generic clothes.
Actually, you're not alone in that thought. I had the same feeling that she didn't so much know her assassin so much as know she was facing her death, and that the person killing her was a Neolutionist, which is why she asked, "What will happen to her?" I honestly didn't get the feeling that she knew her killer personally and it's puzzling to me that everyone is so certain that she did.
posted by patheral at 4:48 PM on June 24, 2015
Actually, you're not alone in that thought. I had the same feeling that she didn't so much know her assassin so much as know she was facing her death, and that the person killing her was a Neolutionist, which is why she asked, "What will happen to her?" I honestly didn't get the feeling that she knew her killer personally and it's puzzling to me that everyone is so certain that she did.
posted by patheral at 4:48 PM on June 24, 2015
IRL (as if!), I don't think it would be weird for Delphine not to know her killer. In the scope of the show, it seems likely that she did only because it's more interesting if known characters are the ones involved in the action.
Speaking of which--I guess that Susan Duncan was the unidentified woman on the phone in the clinic after Rachel was secreted out of Dyad. What if anything do we know about her, besides that she had supposedly been killed in a lab fire? I guess she bailed on her husband in the interest of science? Or maybe they had some kind of falling-out; apparently he didn't completely trust her, since he didn't confide in her about the identity of the original.
And how did Prof Duncan get Charlotte? (I'm will immlass wondering why Charlotte is where she is, and what happened to Marian.)
posted by torticat at 6:18 PM on June 24, 2015
Speaking of which--I guess that Susan Duncan was the unidentified woman on the phone in the clinic after Rachel was secreted out of Dyad. What if anything do we know about her, besides that she had supposedly been killed in a lab fire? I guess she bailed on her husband in the interest of science? Or maybe they had some kind of falling-out; apparently he didn't completely trust her, since he didn't confide in her about the identity of the original.
And how did Prof Duncan get Charlotte? (I'm will immlass wondering why Charlotte is where she is, and what happened to Marian.)
posted by torticat at 6:18 PM on June 24, 2015
I absolutely loved the scene with Helena and Rudy when they were lying on the floor. She really does feel a connection to all of her brothers and sisters, doesn't she?
I know that Helena is all Loveable Kooky Badass nowadays, but remember how she spent most of Season 1 trying to kill off all her sestras?
And I'm still kind of undone by how casually S kept threatening to dissolve her own mother in a vat of sulfuric acid.
posted by psoas at 9:11 AM on June 29, 2015 [4 favorites]
I know that Helena is all Loveable Kooky Badass nowadays, but remember how she spent most of Season 1 trying to kill off all her sestras?
And I'm still kind of undone by how casually S kept threatening to dissolve her own mother in a vat of sulfuric acid.
posted by psoas at 9:11 AM on June 29, 2015 [4 favorites]
I know that Helena is all Loveable Kooky Badass nowadays, but remember how she spent most of Season 1 trying to kill off all her sestras?
Nope, haven't forgotten that, and I've even commented before on how easily family trumps past with this group (The clones, not Mrs. S). It would not surprise me at all if they welcomed Rachel with open arms only to be shocked and amazed when she turns on them because she's, well... Rachel.
posted by patheral at 1:03 PM on June 29, 2015
Nope, haven't forgotten that, and I've even commented before on how easily family trumps past with this group (The clones, not Mrs. S). It would not surprise me at all if they welcomed Rachel with open arms only to be shocked and amazed when she turns on them because she's, well... Rachel.
posted by patheral at 1:03 PM on June 29, 2015
I love that the finale candy shop scene mimicked the opening dream sequence from episode 1. Family all around and sugar and colors!
posted by vitabellosi at 6:52 PM on June 29, 2015 [8 favorites]
posted by vitabellosi at 6:52 PM on June 29, 2015 [8 favorites]
%n: "what, other than the funny, was the point of Alison's turn as a drug dealer?"
Helena going medieval on their asses wasn't enough?
posted by signal at 8:06 PM on July 12, 2015
Helena going medieval on their asses wasn't enough?
posted by signal at 8:06 PM on July 12, 2015
From the Department of About Damn Time, I give you the newly announced 2015 Emmy nominees for Lead Actress In A Drama Series:
Claire Danes, Homeland
Viola Davis, How to Get Away with Murder
Taraji P. Henson, Empire
Tatiana Maslany, Orphan Black
Elizabeth Moss, Mad Men
Robin Wright, House of Cards
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:41 AM on July 16, 2015 [5 favorites]
Claire Danes, Homeland
Viola Davis, How to Get Away with Murder
Taraji P. Henson, Empire
Tatiana Maslany, Orphan Black
Elizabeth Moss, Mad Men
Robin Wright, House of Cards
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:41 AM on July 16, 2015 [5 favorites]
How can Krystal NOT become part of cloneclub, now that they know about her and she knows about them?
and
...having Krystal try to come to terms with it when she finds TWINS creepy is going to be an interesting narrative to follow.
Nobody thought it might have been Krystal who shot Delphine? What if she takes the news REALLY BAD?
Also I'm just a smidge disappointed that Katja didn't get a call-out at dinner. Wasn't she in clone club, or on her way to becoming a member when Helena shot her? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, that was like SSN1E01 ago.
posted by carsonb at 9:20 PM on November 9, 2017
and
...having Krystal try to come to terms with it when she finds TWINS creepy is going to be an interesting narrative to follow.
Nobody thought it might have been Krystal who shot Delphine? What if she takes the news REALLY BAD?
Also I'm just a smidge disappointed that Katja didn't get a call-out at dinner. Wasn't she in clone club, or on her way to becoming a member when Helena shot her? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, that was like SSN1E01 ago.
posted by carsonb at 9:20 PM on November 9, 2017
aw, nobody got a bit teary when Donnie opened the garage door and Jesse's Towing was there waiting for Helena? I hope those two crazy kids can make it work.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 1:55 PM on June 11, 2018
posted by TWinbrook8 at 1:55 PM on June 11, 2018
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I got the real feeling that this one was done as more of a series finale, than a season finale, and then they edited in bits at the end to have something to hang another season on. A very odd ending. At least we're through with the Castor mess, I suppose. Sorry to see Delphine go, though.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:22 PM on June 20, 2015