Gotham: Knock, Knock
September 28, 2015 6:54 PM - Season 2, Episode 2 - Subscribe
Jim get knocked around. Alfred buys a train ticket. Bruce rebuilds a PC. Jerome and the Maniax go for Orange Mocha Frappucinos. Barbara expresses her feelings (nice gloves, Barbie!)
Essen spends the rest of her life as Commisioner.
Essen spends the rest of her life as Commisioner.
Also, Crazy Barbara continues to be the Best Barbara.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:56 PM on September 28, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by leotrotsky at 6:56 PM on September 28, 2015 [2 favorites]
I'm surprised it's the same actress, actually, that's how much better the character is as a super villain.
posted by codacorolla at 8:00 PM on September 28, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by codacorolla at 8:00 PM on September 28, 2015 [1 favorite]
Crazy Barbara has been worth the wait. I have absolutely no idea how they can possibly get her back to anything even faintly resembling comic-book-canon, and that makes me so interested.
Also that is a delightful episode summary, leotrotsky. Only thing missing: Alfred explains British breakfast foods to Lucius Fox.
posted by mstokes650 at 8:59 PM on September 28, 2015
Also that is a delightful episode summary, leotrotsky. Only thing missing: Alfred explains British breakfast foods to Lucius Fox.
posted by mstokes650 at 8:59 PM on September 28, 2015
This season starts of much better than last season. They really should embrace the craziness !
posted by Pendragon at 11:08 AM on September 29, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Pendragon at 11:08 AM on September 29, 2015 [1 favorite]
Well, the body count is already higher than last season, and we're only two episodes in. So, there's that...
posted by Thorzdad at 5:09 PM on September 29, 2015
posted by Thorzdad at 5:09 PM on September 29, 2015
I'm guessing that when they come across each other's paths, Cobblepot and Jerome are not going to like each other. After all, the Penguin is deep in organized crime now, and organized is a key word in that phrase. I'm guessing mobsters like things to run smoothly and predictably. Jerome and the Maniax are...disorganized.
One issue I had here: what has Bruce and Alfred's legal relationship been, up to this point? I've been assuming that Alfred became Bruce's legal guardian fairly shortly after the murder of the elder Waynes, but I don't believe the show has actively confirmed he is, until Alfred's conversation with Fox in this episode, in which he introduces himself as Bruce's guardian.
But then, if Alfred had been Bruce's guardian for a while (or even at the start of the episode), then the scene where Bruce fires Alfred rings false. Bruce just maybe could fire Alfred as his butler, but wouldn't be able to fire Alfred as his guardian, and Alfred doesn't seem like the sort who would just walk away from that. (Alternate possibility: Alfred only "left" because he knew Bruce would change his mind and come after him...except that also rings false, because we've seen Bruce very savvy about how the world, and especially the law, works, and Bruce would know just as well as Alfred that Bruce couldn't fire Alfred as his guardian.) The other, less-satisfying alternative is that Alfred only became Bruce's legal guardian off-camera during this episode, as an unshown part of their agreement for Alfred to come back. But then, what was Bruce's legal status prior to this episode, and who, if anyone, was his guardian?
In the very brief bits we saw of Jerome in S1, it seemed the show was teasing us with will-he-or-won't-he become the Joker, but after this episode — in which Jerome is very Joker-like — I'll be disappointed if the show is pulling a bait-and-switch and Jerome doesn't end up as the Joker.
(And now that we've got the future Riddler and the very-probably-future Joker on the show, this Texts from Superheroes seems relevant.)
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:18 PM on September 29, 2015
One issue I had here: what has Bruce and Alfred's legal relationship been, up to this point? I've been assuming that Alfred became Bruce's legal guardian fairly shortly after the murder of the elder Waynes, but I don't believe the show has actively confirmed he is, until Alfred's conversation with Fox in this episode, in which he introduces himself as Bruce's guardian.
But then, if Alfred had been Bruce's guardian for a while (or even at the start of the episode), then the scene where Bruce fires Alfred rings false. Bruce just maybe could fire Alfred as his butler, but wouldn't be able to fire Alfred as his guardian, and Alfred doesn't seem like the sort who would just walk away from that. (Alternate possibility: Alfred only "left" because he knew Bruce would change his mind and come after him...except that also rings false, because we've seen Bruce very savvy about how the world, and especially the law, works, and Bruce would know just as well as Alfred that Bruce couldn't fire Alfred as his guardian.) The other, less-satisfying alternative is that Alfred only became Bruce's legal guardian off-camera during this episode, as an unshown part of their agreement for Alfred to come back. But then, what was Bruce's legal status prior to this episode, and who, if anyone, was his guardian?
In the very brief bits we saw of Jerome in S1, it seemed the show was teasing us with will-he-or-won't-he become the Joker, but after this episode — in which Jerome is very Joker-like — I'll be disappointed if the show is pulling a bait-and-switch and Jerome doesn't end up as the Joker.
(And now that we've got the future Riddler and the very-probably-future Joker on the show, this Texts from Superheroes seems relevant.)
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:18 PM on September 29, 2015
This season starts of much better than last season. They really should embrace the craziness !
I am cautiously optimistic about this. So far, S2 is roughly the show I was hoping for out of Gotham when it was announced: dumb, campy, ridiculous and fun.
(Alternate possibility: Alfred only "left" because he knew Bruce would change his mind and come after him...except that also rings false, because we've seen Bruce very savvy about how the world, and especially the law, works, and Bruce would know just as well as Alfred that Bruce couldn't fire Alfred as his guardian.)
I assume the writers just didn't think about the issue as thoroughly as you did just now. Within the context of the show's reality though, this was the possibility that made the most sense to me, especially given Alfred basically leaving with nothing but a hobo bindle. No way he literally doesn't own anything else that needs packing.
Crazy Barbara has been worth the wait. I have absolutely no idea how they can possibly get her back to anything even faintly resembling comic-book-canon, and that makes me so interested.
I'm holding out hope they just flat out leave this alternate continuity and let her continue to be awesome.
posted by mordax at 1:21 PM on September 30, 2015
I am cautiously optimistic about this. So far, S2 is roughly the show I was hoping for out of Gotham when it was announced: dumb, campy, ridiculous and fun.
(Alternate possibility: Alfred only "left" because he knew Bruce would change his mind and come after him...except that also rings false, because we've seen Bruce very savvy about how the world, and especially the law, works, and Bruce would know just as well as Alfred that Bruce couldn't fire Alfred as his guardian.)
I assume the writers just didn't think about the issue as thoroughly as you did just now. Within the context of the show's reality though, this was the possibility that made the most sense to me, especially given Alfred basically leaving with nothing but a hobo bindle. No way he literally doesn't own anything else that needs packing.
Crazy Barbara has been worth the wait. I have absolutely no idea how they can possibly get her back to anything even faintly resembling comic-book-canon, and that makes me so interested.
I'm holding out hope they just flat out leave this alternate continuity and let her continue to be awesome.
posted by mordax at 1:21 PM on September 30, 2015
I really did not expect Essen to get killed -- though in retrospect she and Gordon were getting along way too famously for that to last very long -- and wonder what this episode's events mean for the GCPD. I'd be a little surprised to see Gordon become commissioner this season, but I don't think there are any cops left who are on our radar...are Montoya and Allen even still on this show?
posted by kittens for breakfast at 2:05 PM on October 4, 2015
posted by kittens for breakfast at 2:05 PM on October 4, 2015
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posted by leotrotsky at 6:55 PM on September 28, 2015