WWE Raw: The TLC Go-Home
December 8, 2015 9:28 AM - Season 24, Episode 13 - Subscribe

The downward spiral of Raw continues with a white-hot start -- fatal four-way four-man-team elimination match featuring the League of Nations vs. the Wyatt Family vs. the ECW Originals (Dudleys and Dreamer and RHYNO) vs. the Family (which is apparently what they're calling Reigns and Ambrose and the Usos despite the Wyatt Family being a thing already) -- that goes all right, but then nothing much else good happens other than the New Day and Sasha Banks but we knew that already.

And so we roll into another PPV, the most unnecessarily gimmicky of the entire calendar.

Sheamus vs. Roman Reigns for the World Heavyweight Championship, TLC Match: We know this won't be Roman's ascension, but there is some possibility of entertaining ultraviolence at least.

Kevin Owens vs. Dean Ambrose for the Intercontinental Championship: No stipulations for what should be a good match, but Owens has no particular program in place and Ambrose is mostly just backing up Reigns at this point.

The New Day vs. the Usos vs. the Lu! Cha! Dragons for the Tag Team Championship, Ladder Match: With five certified high-flyers in a ladder match, this one could be fun. The New Day are killing it, but it looks like the tag straps are as far as they're going to go for the foreseeable future with an Authority- (and authority-)approved heel stable ruling the main event.

Charlotte vs. Paige for the Divas *sigh* Championship: Charlotte is teasing a heel turn, which means that three of the four best workers in the women's ranks might be heels coming out of this year. Will Becky Lynch be the face of the division, or is the last Horsewoman getting the call?

The ECW Originals vs. the Wyatt Family, Tables Elimination Match: See, this is what they could have done at Survivor Series, but whatever. Rhyno was looking pretty good in NXT, and Dreamer seems to know that he's on his last run and might as well go out hot, but Bray and his boys are clearly ginning up for something better.

Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger for the U.S. Championship, Chairs Match: Hey, remember when these guys were feuding over the various world titles? No, neither does anyone else. It could be worse. It could be a stairs match.

They've almost got to add something else, or just run interminably long video recaps all night.
posted by Etrigan (33 comments total)
 
Raw was just wearying last night. Even after the opener, which went well enough but was spread over three commercial breaks, I could barely be arsed to care about anything. With a little luck, they'll really shake things up at the Rumble (or even on Raw itself).
posted by Etrigan at 9:32 AM on December 8, 2015


Remember how excited we were about talking about wrestling? Back when Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were around? Can you imagine making a FPP about something in RAW now? So boring and depressing and trying too hard. Anyway thanks for keeping the flame alive Etrigan. I commend you for trying. All I can muster is a blah (not for your excellent post, but for the most unexcellent show).
posted by goneill at 11:15 AM on December 9, 2015 [2 favorites]


Yeah, honestly, there is a ton of talent on the roster right now, but I think it's time for me to tap out for a little while. Everything that's happening is awful. The shows aren't entertaining. The matches are generally good-quality, but they don't mean anything, and they're the same week after week after week.

I want to see just about everybody on the roster doing good stuff, but it's just not happening. Sheamus and Reigns are badass damage-dealers (and -takers). Let them slug it out, let the promos be brief and brutal. Don't spend half an hour dithering over nothing.

The tag division could be great; so many real teams doing real team stuff. But there's no gravity. Nothing matters. The only team showing any personality is New Day. Give them something to play off. It's getting old.

The women. So much talent. Sasha's ring psychology is off the hook. And yet all we get is bitchy catfight angles. It hurts to watch.

Owens, Ambrose, Neville, Rusev ... for fuck's sake, let them do something meaningful. Fight for something that matters. Maybe -- and I know this sounds crazy -- but maybe since Ambrose is aligned with Reigns and Del Rio is aligned with Sheamus, maybe they should fight. Maybe Del Rio can kick Ambrose in the fucking head and look tough for a change. Maybe Ambrose can almost squeak out a victory but get cheated out of the title.

Anyway, I cancelled my Network subscription, and it runs out next week. I'll probably fast-forward through TLC and watch Monday's episode of Breaking Ground, but I think I'm out until Wrestlemania.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:10 AM on December 10, 2015


Yeah, honestly, if I had as good an excuse as goneill's, I probably wouldn't bother renewing my Network subscription right now. NXT is making yeoman's effort to retain my interest, but that's pretty much it besides anticipation of the Rumble, which is generally my favorite event of the year. If they fuck that up, I may well be out too.
posted by Etrigan at 7:24 AM on December 10, 2015


Rumble, which is generally my favorite event of the year

Oh, yeah, I'll probably watch the Rumble, if only because it's a good opportunity for stupid gambling and subsequent reluctant rooting for like, Fandango or Jim Duggan because you drew their number.
posted by uncleozzy at 8:23 AM on December 10, 2015




Alleged ten-minute ovation for Jordan and Gable in Blackpool. CALL THEM UP ALREADY.
posted by Etrigan at 5:33 PM on December 13, 2015


I've been thinking for a while now that there just isn't anything left to do in a TLC/ladder match that ain't been done before, but Jesus Christ, that salida del sol...
posted by Etrigan at 7:19 AM on December 14, 2015


@jermsplan livetweets his reactions to brianrobot's TLC wrapup:

Woah, Lynch v Banks sounds cool. I should have watched the free preshow even though I cancelled the Network

Shit, that tag match sounds good, I knew it would be. Man, I wish I'd seen that salida del sol. Regretting cancelling the network now.

Ugh, why was that even a match?

Ugh, why was THAT even a match?

God, the Wyatts could not have gone worse with all the promise they have.

A RAW match on a PPV? Now I remember why I cancelled.

Yay woman! Boo writers' complete lack of willingness to make page a face.

Yeah, didn't need to see that. Post match Roman cracks? Interesting. A month of good RAWs could have me sign up again to see the Rumble at least.

Thanks for this thread, all, you make me feel like I'm not alone and am making a good decision. Talk with your wallet? What if my wallet convinces Vince he needs to bring back Cena? Would that even be bad at this point? SO CONFUSED.
posted by jermsplan at 10:13 AM on December 14, 2015


GIF of the Salida Del Sol in question.

Damn right I'm capitalizing it.
posted by Etrigan at 10:20 AM on December 14, 2015


good lord
posted by jermsplan at 10:24 AM on December 14, 2015


It says a lot about WWE right now that, as good as Raw was (seriously, except for LoN/Swaggerback and Breeze/Neville, it was the best in a looong time), I'm still fairly certain that the next two or three are going to suck.
posted by Etrigan at 7:22 AM on December 15, 2015


I'd kind of love it if next week Stephanie straight-up stripped him of the title and put it up for grabs in a fatal four-way that Roman's not allowed to enter, because I want more Roman Noir.

I'm envisioning a year-long plotline where Roman wins the belt, shenanigans immediately happen, he loses, wash, repeat -- sort of the inverse of all those times that Mr. McMahon piled the challenges on top of Stone Cold. Imagine if next week he has a handicap match against Sheamus and Del Rio. Maybe he wins that one (the heels start arguing over who gets the belt), so the next week he has a handicap match against Sheamus and Del Rio and Rusev, and this time they beat him. So at the Rumble, he regains the belt, but then the night after...

Just over and over, "Okay, fine, one on one you're unbeatable, but fuck you, we're going to take that belt any way we can."
posted by Etrigan at 6:33 AM on December 16, 2015


Interestingly, after being used extensively in NXT lately, the word "Divas" was dropped from the show entirely.

I think that they've only used it in reference to women who have been on the main roster (and sometimes used it women in their immediate vicinity), but I could be wrong.

The booking played the crowd like a fiddle when it started running through a goddamn catalog of every cheap heel victory you could name, from ref bumps to distractions to foreign objects, so the actual clean win came as a great surprise (and one that even traded nicely on Asuka's last jobber match).

This match should be shown to every booker for the rest of time with the title "HOW NOT TO OVERBOOK".

Dash & Dawson vs Enzo & Cass was just straight-up awesome.

Agreed. I would only have one adjustment -- the Mechanics should have gone after Cass's knee right out of the gate, and he should have sold it but then visibly stopped selling it, just to freak them out that he was back at 100 percent but better.

Crews vs Corbin was the weakest match on the show, but only by default because it was still really good.

Did... did I just like a Baron Corbin match? A Baron Corbin victory, no less? And because of Corbin's personality?

The actual match was easily the best Jax match we've seen so far, and yet another great performance from the ever-versatile Bayley.

I didn't like the guillotine choke -- it didn't look like she really had the thing locked in well, just because of the sheer size differential. But I loved the whole end sequence, from the first choke to the end. And Jax crumpling slowly to the mat around Bayley was great.

During the buildup to TakeOver, it never occurred to me once that the shadowy Jack we saw prowling the alleys in the promos would actually play a part in the show.

I had the exact same reaction: "IT WAS NEVER THE RIPPER HOLY SHIT YES!" And I've rapidly gotten tired of the Demon-as-Balor's-aggressive-side hype, too. This one sold me.

For a show with a pretty meager buildup, NXT knocked it out of the park

And they did it with nothing that the main roster doesn't have. This was literally a PPV (or even the latter two hours of a PPV) that WWE could put on every month, period. NXT had five PPVs and a weekly show this year, so it's an average of 10 hours of product between PPVs -- and the main roster has three or four RAWs between PPVs, so it's basically the same amount of build-up TV time.
posted by Etrigan at 7:35 AM on December 17, 2015


Oh, one other thing about that tag title match -- Dash & Dawson using the slingshot suplex and play-by-play calling it "shades of Tully Blanchard"!
posted by Etrigan at 7:49 AM on December 17, 2015


Corbin mugging Crews and then shouting "You should have stayed in Ring Of Honor!" was a surprising little acknowledgment of the competition.

From With Spandex's recap, something I hadn't even realized:
The key moment of the match is Baron Corbin leaning over the ropes and yelling “YOU SHOULDA STAYED IN RING OF HONOR!!” Apollo Crews wasn’t in Ring of Honor. I like to believe that Corbin just indiscriminately hates guys he’s heard are indie wrestling standouts, and “Ring of Honor” is the only non-WWE promotion he’s heard of and he assumes it’s all the same. Baron Corbin is the sh*t.
posted by Etrigan at 10:39 AM on December 17, 2015


It's all about the booking at this point, isn't it? I honestly know nothing about NXT's booking, as in, is it the same guys booking RAW, just with different directions from on high about style? Or a completely different team? I would not say that NXT has more talented wrestlers than the main roster, but they sure tell more interesting stories in the ring lately.

Five long matches with zero gimmicks or stipulations, four singles matches and one two-team tag match, a total of two valets all night. Compared to TLC, it's crazy. Whoever keeps saying that the main roster has too much talent and they should quit trying to feature everyone on every show is totally right. I can't even imagine a main roster show that featured a total of 14 Superstars.
posted by jermsplan at 12:13 PM on December 18, 2015


I honestly know nothing about NXT's booking, as in, is it the same guys booking RAW, just with different directions from on high about style? Or a completely different team?

Everything I've heard is that it's a totally different team and style -- Dusty ran the NXT book with 3-5 other people (possibly other trainers, e.g., William Regal, Sara Del Rey?) and Triple H having final say and tinkering but not doing show-to-show stuff, while there's upwards of 20 working Raw/Smackdown/PPVs/Main Event/Superstars, all of which runs through Vince before anything goes on TV.
posted by Etrigan at 12:27 PM on December 18, 2015


God forbid the WWE actually do a little on-the-fly booking

What you did there; I see it.
posted by Etrigan at 12:05 PM on December 22, 2015


It's amazing how WWE (that is, Vince McMahon) can acknowledge their shitty tone-deaf racist history while simultaneously engaging in more shitty tone-deaf racism.
posted by Etrigan at 5:42 AM on December 29, 2015


NBD, just Kevin Owens straight-up murdering Dean Ambrose.
posted by Etrigan at 7:50 PM on January 1, 2016


No details, but the idea that Reigns will defend the title in the Royal Rumble match has piqued my interest.

Presumably it's a straight-up "winner of the Rumble gets the belt" style, but there's an opportunity for interesting chicanery if they announce it as a Scramble type setup -- what if Bray Wyatt throws Reigns over the top rope and then eliminates himself?

(My personal favorite overbooking option would be "title only changes hands on pinfall or submission," so you see guys actually protecting Reigns from getting chucked over the top rope so they can still win the title. That way you could do a couple of title switches and even keep it on Roman if a pin is ruled to not be an elimination from the Rumble itself, and then have an actual Rumble winner who gets the shot at WM.)
posted by Etrigan at 8:09 AM on January 5, 2016


The Rumble is my favorite event of the year. Even when it's dull at least it's not yet-another-six-man-tag or reheated Raw match. Adding in the title stipulation -- even when it seems like it's a way to take the title off of Reigns without having him take a pinfall -- is a great way to make it a little more interesting. Even if it's a straight-up winner-takes-the-title match, you put a couple of wildcards into the final four -- HHH, Lesnar, maybe Jericho -- and you can at least keep guessing.
posted by uncleozzy at 8:31 AM on January 5, 2016


Vince's legs don't look like they work so well anymore, but my god does he keep to his upper body workouts. At his age, I guarantee whatever his diet/supplement/workout regiment is would give me a heart attack.

I sort of hope the title changes hands at the Rumble in some way other than by winning the Rumble itself. That way, someone can take the belt off Roman mid-Rumble, then someone else can win the Rumble, setting up our Wrestlemania main event and giving the Roman vs McMahon family feud room to grow until it's HHH vs Roman at WM.
posted by jermsplan at 8:25 AM on January 6, 2016


The greatest tag team in the world is now known as American Alpha.
posted by Etrigan at 5:15 PM on January 8, 2016


Did anyone else love Smackdown? Because I loved Smackdown. The play by play guy was calling moves during the match instead of talking about an entirely unrelated storyline or some straight to DVD movie or reality tv show. I don't know why that's so important to me, but it is. Immediately enjoyed the show more because of it.
posted by jermsplan at 9:40 PM on January 9, 2016


Agreed. We can only hope that Ranallo's style lets Cole take a similar tack, rather than McMahon forcing Ranallo to get an earbud and parrot the ad lines.
posted by Etrigan at 10:00 PM on January 9, 2016


Kalisto wins first main-roster title in basically the only exciting moment of the penultimate pre-RR Raw.

(Okay, and Becky Lynch went ham on Charlotte, but we'll see where that goes.)

((Brock Lesnar annihilating everyone in the world is his rest state, so that doesn't count either.))
posted by Etrigan at 8:04 AM on January 12, 2016


We're two Smackdown's and one RAW away from the Royal Rumble PPV, and we have a single announced match? Good lord. I mean, I guess we'll get Ambrose v Owens and del Rio v Calisto...maybe Usos v New Day? And Charlotte v Lynch? I mean, nothing wrong with that card, other than it's essentially the same card we've had for two weeks straight at this point. And with recent title changes happening on RAW to make it relevant again, you really have to wonder what the difference is between a PPV and a Monday Night RAW anymore.
posted by jermsplan at 1:32 PM on January 12, 2016


I'm hoping they're moving del Rio out of the US Title picture as fast as possible so that by the end of the Rumble he's solidly in the WWE Championship picture somehow. That's why I wish the title would move via pinfall or eliminating Roman, as opposed to winning the Rumble, because they give themselves so many more options if they can have 1 guy emerge champ, 1 guy emerge with the Mania main event shot, and Roman emerge with his rematch clause.

Brianrobot, I would order your PPV. Even if the US Title match is a bit of a dream. At least keep it realistic and have Joe or Finn answer the challenge
posted by jermsplan at 12:37 PM on January 13, 2016


Oh snap.
posted by Etrigan at 6:28 PM on January 14, 2016


So spot on it hurts. WM is Vince's baby, and I'm not sure at his age he has the guts to go this direction, but this WM has the potential to be a serious springboard of the next decade of WWE Superstars. Sadly, they've booked the biggest stadium in the world and instead we'll probably see the worst wrestled most nostalgic WM ever as they beg and pay every Legend they can to appear to fill seats. But can you imagine if WWE would embrace the necessity of elevating some young talent to fill out the card? Multiple women's singles matches? There are still 3 months and 2 PPVs to build to it, if they have the will.
posted by jermsplan at 11:11 AM on January 15, 2016 [1 favorite]




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