Ash vs Evil Dead: Ashes to Ashes
December 19, 2015 7:18 PM - Season 1, Episode 8 - Subscribe
Fisher finds Ash at the cabin; Kelly and Pablo walk around the wood in circles until some friendly hikers point them in the right direction.
*Work shed
*A new Evil Ash is spawned.
*From Professor Knowby's notebook: “The Kandarian dagger’s handle is carved of human bone. The blade itself seems to have otherworldly powers, but when it’s placed upon the Necromonicon, it seems the binding’s flesh...”
*Work shed
*A new Evil Ash is spawned.
*From Professor Knowby's notebook: “The Kandarian dagger’s handle is carved of human bone. The blade itself seems to have otherworldly powers, but when it’s placed upon the Necromonicon, it seems the binding’s flesh...”
Trick knee!
posted by Literaryhero at 4:18 AM on December 20, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Literaryhero at 4:18 AM on December 20, 2015 [1 favorite]
(I assume we'll be seeing her, and those hikers, next week.)
Those hikers are so dead.
posted by Mezentian at 12:41 AM on December 21, 2015
Those hikers are so dead.
posted by Mezentian at 12:41 AM on December 21, 2015
But they have pepper spray!
posted by Aznable at 5:16 AM on December 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Aznable at 5:16 AM on December 21, 2015 [1 favorite]
Really unhappy that Fisher got fridged, which is a shame, because there was so much that I liked about this episode, particularly the Ashes calling out their niggling injuries as they battered each other.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 4:12 PM on December 21, 2015
posted by Parasite Unseen at 4:12 PM on December 21, 2015
Really unhappy that Fisher got fridged,
In Evil Dead, pretty much everyone who isn't Ash dies.
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
posted by Mezentian at 10:46 PM on December 21, 2015
In Evil Dead, pretty much everyone who isn't Ash dies.
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
posted by Mezentian at 10:46 PM on December 21, 2015
Yeah, I was really disappointed with Fisher's death. I mean, I get it, but ... it still felt wrong.
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
But ... but ... aww heck.
posted by uncleozzy at 5:28 AM on December 22, 2015
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
But ... but ... aww heck.
posted by uncleozzy at 5:28 AM on December 22, 2015
In Evil Dead, pretty much everyone who isn't Ash dies.
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
I don't know - if it was a movie, or a limited-run mini-series, I'd agree. But since this is a tv-series and already renewed for a second season, I don't think the same rules apply. They are always going to need some supporting cast for Campbell; if season 1 ends with only Ash left alive, they're going to have to spend the first couple episodes of season 2 introducing a new batch of sidekicks. And we haven't had any real payoff yet for Pablo and his latent Brujo capabilities. (However, if you're right, then they better kill off both of them -- if Kelly gets fridged for Pablo, I may have to ride the nopetopus away from this show.)
posted by oh yeah! at 5:54 AM on December 22, 2015
Kelly and Pablo? So dead.
I don't know - if it was a movie, or a limited-run mini-series, I'd agree. But since this is a tv-series and already renewed for a second season, I don't think the same rules apply. They are always going to need some supporting cast for Campbell; if season 1 ends with only Ash left alive, they're going to have to spend the first couple episodes of season 2 introducing a new batch of sidekicks. And we haven't had any real payoff yet for Pablo and his latent Brujo capabilities. (However, if you're right, then they better kill off both of them -- if Kelly gets fridged for Pablo, I may have to ride the nopetopus away from this show.)
posted by oh yeah! at 5:54 AM on December 22, 2015
Bah. Fisher getting fridged sucks, and it was "classic" fridging - a cheap lazy "motivator" for the main male character, which they hadn't earned even slightly because, as some of you have pointed out in previous threads, one second it was "Ash is a bad person responsible for evil and I'm gonna get him" and the very next it was smoochie-boochies. With no reasonable development in between. I'd expected better from the Raimis.
Plus it was dumb, because now they're totally missing out on all sorts of whacko-horrible possibilities that could ensue from having a love triangle/constantly-reversing-mistaken-identities thing going on between Fisher, Ash, and Evil Ash. They coulda ridden that idea all the way into the next season.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:48 PM on December 22, 2015 [4 favorites]
Plus it was dumb, because now they're totally missing out on all sorts of whacko-horrible possibilities that could ensue from having a love triangle/constantly-reversing-mistaken-identities thing going on between Fisher, Ash, and Evil Ash. They coulda ridden that idea all the way into the next season.
posted by soundguy99 at 4:48 PM on December 22, 2015 [4 favorites]
I think that they clearly put more work into the writing for Kelly and Pablo than they did for Fisher, and maybe that's going to be a more reliable test. The film series has proved before that all you really need for entertainment is Ash and the evil, so maybe everyone else is disposable. I would be impressed if they killed Kelly or Pablo. Disappointed, because I already enjoy them, but impressed. If everyone who goes to the cabin dies except Ash, then that's the best and most sensible continuity the show could have.
Speaking of continuity, I was surprised by something else in this episode. Each film retconned the previous one-- Ash went with a group of friends, then he went with only Linda. The book was destroyed, then it wasn't. He was hailed as the hero from the sky, then he was put in chains. This episode showed a flashback of Cheryl in the basement. I'm not sure how to read that or what it may mean.
posted by heatvision at 4:56 AM on December 23, 2015 [3 favorites]
Speaking of continuity, I was surprised by something else in this episode. Each film retconned the previous one-- Ash went with a group of friends, then he went with only Linda. The book was destroyed, then it wasn't. He was hailed as the hero from the sky, then he was put in chains. This episode showed a flashback of Cheryl in the basement. I'm not sure how to read that or what it may mean.
posted by heatvision at 4:56 AM on December 23, 2015 [3 favorites]
Plus it was dumb, because now they're totally missing out on all sorts of whacko-horrible possibilities that could ensue from having a love triangle/constantly-reversing-mistaken-identities thing going on between Fisher, Ash, and Evil Ash. They coulda ridden that idea all the way into the next season.
Also, if Fisher had never gotten smoochie with Ash, they could have had Evil Ash kill her without letting Ash see it, and then Deadite-Fisher could have used Ash's lust against him to get him into a vulnerable position. Granted they've pulled that trick already with Eligos-Kelly and the shotgun bong, and Ash's bar bathroom hook-up in the pilot, but it would have made more sense than what they wrote.
posted by oh yeah! at 11:00 AM on December 23, 2015
Also, if Fisher had never gotten smoochie with Ash, they could have had Evil Ash kill her without letting Ash see it, and then Deadite-Fisher could have used Ash's lust against him to get him into a vulnerable position. Granted they've pulled that trick already with Eligos-Kelly and the shotgun bong, and Ash's bar bathroom hook-up in the pilot, but it would have made more sense than what they wrote.
posted by oh yeah! at 11:00 AM on December 23, 2015
This episode showed a flashback of Cheryl in the basement.
Yeah, that's a little confusing. Maybe AvED branches off directly from Evil Dead 2?
However, Ash's girlfriend in ED2 (and AoD fwiw) is named Linda. However2 the professor's daughter in ED2 is named Annie Knowby and Lucy Laweless' character's name is Ruby Knowby.
Yeah, Fisher fridging it was lazy writing, as was the nascent romance.
posted by porpoise at 3:50 PM on December 23, 2015
Yeah, that's a little confusing. Maybe AvED branches off directly from Evil Dead 2?
However, Ash's girlfriend in ED2 (and AoD fwiw) is named Linda. However2 the professor's daughter in ED2 is named Annie Knowby and Lucy Laweless' character's name is Ruby Knowby.
Yeah, Fisher fridging it was lazy writing, as was the nascent romance.
posted by porpoise at 3:50 PM on December 23, 2015
As an exercise, every time Fisher was on screen, I tried to imagine if her lines would have been better and less weird if she'd read them as cagey instead of flirty and 100% of the time, it worked better. I came out of it wondering whether they'd really botched all of the writing for her character or whether a certain amount of it was poor choices on the part of the actor and/or the director.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:25 AM on December 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:25 AM on December 30, 2015 [1 favorite]
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