The Flash: Welcome to Earth 2
February 11, 2016 4:02 AM - Season 2, Episode 13 - Subscribe
Barry, Wells, and Cisco travel to Earth-2 to rescue Jesse from Zoom. There they encounter Killer Frost and Deathstorm (who are Caitlin and Ronnie on Earth-1). Meanwhile, Jay takes Barry's responsibility of defending Central City from a meta-human called Geomancer.
I saw the 1990s Flash, some sort of archer (Smallville's Green Arrow?) and some gunslinger (Jonah Hex).
It was nice to see Deadshot back.
But, man, WTF Barry? You kidnap your double, stuff him... where for 24 hours and.....
Also, was "Reverb" being played a bit gay (ala Bad Willow?).
posted by Mezentian at 5:55 AM on February 11, 2016
It was nice to see Deadshot back.
But, man, WTF Barry? You kidnap your double, stuff him... where for 24 hours and.....
Also, was "Reverb" being played a bit gay (ala Bad Willow?).
posted by Mezentian at 5:55 AM on February 11, 2016
Oh, yes, there was a Legion flight ring (I guess Smallville or Legends of Tomorrow) and Grodd.
Why Grodd?
Why not.
posted by Mezentian at 6:02 AM on February 11, 2016
Why Grodd?
Why not.
posted by Mezentian at 6:02 AM on February 11, 2016
Man, there was so much fun, cute stuff in this episode, I just wish it hadn't all been overshadowed for me by Barry being required to be dumb as a box of rocks for literally the entire episode.
posted by mstokes650 at 6:46 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by mstokes650 at 6:46 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
I thought this episode was fantastic, up until the point where Barry meets Earth-2 Iris. From that point on, they gave Barry the Idiot Ball and let him run with it (pun intended). Which, come to think of it, has been how they've characterized him for most of the season. Apart from the well-done scene with Barry talking to his mom on the phone*, everything he did was stupid, and in the case of Earth-2 Joe and (possibly) Deadshot, fatally so. I'm really hoping the storyline going forward places a lot of emphasis on the consequence of his actions, a lesson he forgot from not only the recent Reverse-Flash episode, but the entire first season (especially the finale).
Okay, now that I've got the grousing out of the way, let me go back to the parts I thought were fantastic. First of all, love love loved the world of Earth-2 itself. "Mayor Snart" was a brilliant detail for someone who made a large part of his character how much he loved Central City, and the tragic bumbling of Deadshot had a good payoff. Barry and Cisco walking through Earth-2 STAR Labs and meeting Hewitt was absolutely priceless and completely adorable. The backstory of Earth-2 Barry and Joe worked really well on several levels, too. The selfless/selfish dichotomy between the two Barrys makes a good parallel with how Earth-1 treated Patty, and the anger Earth-2 Joe showed felt real. It'll be interesting to see how Earth-2 Barry plays in next week's episode. And once again, the episode's saving graces are Harry (what little we got of him) and Cisco, especially the Vibe-Reverb interactions. It was also refreshing to see Danielle Panabaker break out of the fairly bland role they've got Caitlin stuck in on Earth-1. She was a delight as Killer Frost, and if the previews are any indication, we'll be seeing more of her next week. They still have a lot of work to do making Jay a better character for me to care about him and Caitlin, though.
* According to commenters at io9, the names on the speed dial are BRUCE, DIANA, and HAL
posted by zombieflanders at 6:50 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
Okay, now that I've got the grousing out of the way, let me go back to the parts I thought were fantastic. First of all, love love loved the world of Earth-2 itself. "Mayor Snart" was a brilliant detail for someone who made a large part of his character how much he loved Central City, and the tragic bumbling of Deadshot had a good payoff. Barry and Cisco walking through Earth-2 STAR Labs and meeting Hewitt was absolutely priceless and completely adorable. The backstory of Earth-2 Barry and Joe worked really well on several levels, too. The selfless/selfish dichotomy between the two Barrys makes a good parallel with how Earth-1 treated Patty, and the anger Earth-2 Joe showed felt real. It'll be interesting to see how Earth-2 Barry plays in next week's episode. And once again, the episode's saving graces are Harry (what little we got of him) and Cisco, especially the Vibe-Reverb interactions. It was also refreshing to see Danielle Panabaker break out of the fairly bland role they've got Caitlin stuck in on Earth-1. She was a delight as Killer Frost, and if the previews are any indication, we'll be seeing more of her next week. They still have a lot of work to do making Jay a better character for me to care about him and Caitlin, though.
* According to commenters at io9, the names on the speed dial are BRUCE, DIANA, and HAL
posted by zombieflanders at 6:50 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
And who was the masked guy tapping on the glass at Barry in Zoom's prison?
Don't know, but he was tapping in Morse code! I caught the word "zoom" at the beginning but not the rest.
posted by zarq at 6:53 AM on February 11, 2016 [6 favorites]
Don't know, but he was tapping in Morse code! I caught the word "zoom" at the beginning but not the rest.
posted by zarq at 6:53 AM on February 11, 2016 [6 favorites]
Also: Ugh, stop being so cute and likeable, you two.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:54 AM on February 11, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by zombieflanders at 6:54 AM on February 11, 2016 [2 favorites]
* According to commenters at io9, the names on the speed dial are BRUCE, DIANA, and HAL
...Wayne...Prince and Jordan?
posted by zarq at 6:59 AM on February 11, 2016
...Wayne...Prince and Jordan?
posted by zarq at 6:59 AM on February 11, 2016
DEADSHOT DEADSHOT DEADSHOT! I shrieked when I saw him. Please don't let both original flavor and adorkably bumbling Floyd Lawton be dead! He was my favorite unexpected pleasant surprise of this episode. Look at his hair.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:05 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by nicebookrack at 7:05 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
I know it's logistically unlikely that we'll get a Mayor Snart cameo next week, but I hope we get a nice cheesy campaign poster of him and Earth-2 Rory as an Easter egg somewhere. If not on the show then in fan-art, someone needs to make that happen.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:14 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by oh yeah! at 7:14 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
The most aggravating thing about Barry losing his mind over Earth-2 Iris is that the plot could have been exactly the same and still worked if they'd played it differently.
Killer Frost and Deathstorm come looking for Barry the breacher; E2 Joseph gets hurt protecting E2 Iris. And then Barry tells Harry something like, "I'm sorry, but I have to help the E2 police bring in Killer Frost and Deathstorm. It's my fault that innocent people got caught in the crossfire and that Joseph got hurt. We'll still save Jessie, but it's my responsibility to take these bad guys down." Then everything else happens as disastrously as it did in the original plot.
Instead Barry lost his mind and yelled at Harry for not caring about family, at the same time Barry was blowing off the life of Harry's daughter. Uuugghh.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:22 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
Killer Frost and Deathstorm come looking for Barry the breacher; E2 Joseph gets hurt protecting E2 Iris. And then Barry tells Harry something like, "I'm sorry, but I have to help the E2 police bring in Killer Frost and Deathstorm. It's my fault that innocent people got caught in the crossfire and that Joseph got hurt. We'll still save Jessie, but it's my responsibility to take these bad guys down." Then everything else happens as disastrously as it did in the original plot.
Instead Barry lost his mind and yelled at Harry for not caring about family, at the same time Barry was blowing off the life of Harry's daughter. Uuugghh.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:22 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
...Wayne...Prince and Jordan?
That's what I'd guess. Here's a high-resolution screencap. For those that can't access the image, it reads:
DAD (presumably Joe)
MOM & DAD (presumably Henry and Nora)
EDDIE (Presumably Thawne. Could that be a clue?)
BRUCE
HAL
DIANA
Also, sharp-eyed fans seem to think that the Masked Man has dark skin, although it could just be the lighting.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:29 AM on February 11, 2016
That's what I'd guess. Here's a high-resolution screencap. For those that can't access the image, it reads:
DAD (presumably Joe)
MOM & DAD (presumably Henry and Nora)
EDDIE (Presumably Thawne. Could that be a clue?)
BRUCE
HAL
DIANA
Also, sharp-eyed fans seem to think that the Masked Man has dark skin, although it could just be the lighting.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:29 AM on February 11, 2016
There really was a lot to love in this episode ... along with a few things to hate.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 7:31 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 7:31 AM on February 11, 2016
I really hope he goes back in time to sort this all out. They might just consider Earth-2 disposable, which I really hope they don't. But it really seems like too much has gotten fucked up.
posted by ODiV at 7:42 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by ODiV at 7:42 AM on February 11, 2016
That's a lot of reallys. Apparently I have feelings about this.
posted by ODiV at 7:43 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by ODiV at 7:43 AM on February 11, 2016
I'm glad we finally got the Killer Frost persona that's been teased for a season and a half. I really hope they don't ditch Earth-2 entirely (Grod's there!).
And Zoom's going to be Eddie, right? Junkie Eddie with a Velocity-6 addiction.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:47 AM on February 11, 2016
And Zoom's going to be Eddie, right? Junkie Eddie with a Velocity-6 addiction.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:47 AM on February 11, 2016
I'd already decided that Earth-2 is not allowed to take Harry back at the end of the season, and now I'm extending that claim to the rest of the E2 universe. They must build a breach superhighway between the two worlds, with at least one crossover episode per season!
So it turns out after everything that Jay is a lying coward brought low by his own speed-selfishness and arrogance, and that...actually makes me like him more? Decent but hugely flawed guy is a lot more interesting than generic square-jawed hero guy. For all that Jay had been Flashing for longer than Barry (until he spent this season being pretty Caitlyn eyecandy), part of Jay's story this season has been him realizing how much he kinda sucks in comparison with Team Flash's regular heroism.
I'm sadly expecting Jay to be revealed as evil and/or die in a last-minute heroic sacrifice by the end of this season, because his Earth-1 doppelgänger Zolomon is a Chekov's gun waiting to be fired, and both Teddy Searses can't be good guys.
Poor E1 Caitlyn. She's going to go full Killer Frost on us out of sheer thwarted sexual frustration.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:50 AM on February 11, 2016
So it turns out after everything that Jay is a lying coward brought low by his own speed-selfishness and arrogance, and that...actually makes me like him more? Decent but hugely flawed guy is a lot more interesting than generic square-jawed hero guy. For all that Jay had been Flashing for longer than Barry (until he spent this season being pretty Caitlyn eyecandy), part of Jay's story this season has been him realizing how much he kinda sucks in comparison with Team Flash's regular heroism.
I'm sadly expecting Jay to be revealed as evil and/or die in a last-minute heroic sacrifice by the end of this season, because his Earth-1 doppelgänger Zolomon is a Chekov's gun waiting to be fired, and both Teddy Searses can't be good guys.
Poor E1 Caitlyn. She's going to go full Killer Frost on us out of sheer thwarted sexual frustration.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:50 AM on February 11, 2016
One more thing I didn't quite catch that puzzles me about Jay in this episode: Did Jay basically tell Caitlyn that Zoom didn't steal his speed, that it was the Velocity drug that depowered him? Or did Jay mean that Zoom stole his speed and Velocity is just what's making him sick? (He really needs to soap-opera-cough more to sell that illness.)
posted by nicebookrack at 8:01 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by nicebookrack at 8:01 AM on February 11, 2016
So looks like so far the only people who have powers in both Earths are Cisco and Ronnie/Martin?
I liked most of this episode, when Barry wasn't being so emotionally driven and a bumbling idiot. Harry was specifically "hey, this ain't your Earth, everyone here is different!" And then he tries to take his doppelganger's place and immediately acted like everyone is the same as in Earth 1. Also, couldn't Harry have worked up a dossier on everyone Barry might run into and what their situation is? They have Google in Earth 2 right?
posted by numaner at 8:04 AM on February 11, 2016
I liked most of this episode, when Barry wasn't being so emotionally driven and a bumbling idiot. Harry was specifically "hey, this ain't your Earth, everyone here is different!" And then he tries to take his doppelganger's place and immediately acted like everyone is the same as in Earth 1. Also, couldn't Harry have worked up a dossier on everyone Barry might run into and what their situation is? They have Google in Earth 2 right?
posted by numaner at 8:04 AM on February 11, 2016
Also, sharp-eyed fans seem to think that the Masked Man has dark skin, although it could just be the lighting.
Some ideas....
1) The masked, mute, Morse-tapping prisoner could be Wally West (dark skin is not much to go on, I know.)
2) Cisco was killed in E-1 by Eobard Thawn masquerading as Harrison Wells. Thawne phased his arm into Cisco's chest. Last night we saw Zoom do the same to E-2 Cisco: Reverb. Foreshadowing for Zoom's identity?
3) The revelation that Garrick lied and didn't have his speed stolen by Zoom, is a possible indication that Zoom has never stolen anyone's speed without help. Perhaps he's not a threat to Barry unless E-2 Wells or someone else assists him in stealing Barry's speed.
4) Is Wally West a speedster in E-2? If so, is Zoom imprisoning speedsters?
posted by zarq at 8:08 AM on February 11, 2016
Some ideas....
1) The masked, mute, Morse-tapping prisoner could be Wally West (dark skin is not much to go on, I know.)
2) Cisco was killed in E-1 by Eobard Thawn masquerading as Harrison Wells. Thawne phased his arm into Cisco's chest. Last night we saw Zoom do the same to E-2 Cisco: Reverb. Foreshadowing for Zoom's identity?
3) The revelation that Garrick lied and didn't have his speed stolen by Zoom, is a possible indication that Zoom has never stolen anyone's speed without help. Perhaps he's not a threat to Barry unless E-2 Wells or someone else assists him in stealing Barry's speed.
4) Is Wally West a speedster in E-2? If so, is Zoom imprisoning speedsters?
posted by zarq at 8:08 AM on February 11, 2016
They must build a breach superhighway between the two worlds, with at least one crossover episode per season!
I would kill to see Jasika Nicole and John Noble in recurring roles on this show.
And maybe a cow. We could call her.... Gene.
posted by zarq at 8:12 AM on February 11, 2016 [6 favorites]
I would kill to see Jasika Nicole and John Noble in recurring roles on this show.
And maybe a cow. We could call her.... Gene.
posted by zarq at 8:12 AM on February 11, 2016 [6 favorites]
Earth-2 Barry looks like Milo from Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and of course Earth-2 Barry buy his parents tickets to Atlantis. I love it when shows get to drop little Easter eggs about their own fandoms!
100% convinced that masked tapper in Zoom's jail is Wally West. Earth-2 Wally almost certainly likes to go fast, too, right?
Vibe and Reverb might have been my new OTP, but gah, gone too soon. Cisco better grab his evil twin's glasses, they're already set to the right frequency!
Aw Ronnie, you're gonna die on all Earths. He is the CW's Sean Bean.
I'm really not cool with how blase Barry was about stealing Earth-2 Barry's final moments with Joseph and Other!Iris. I mean, when Barry2 goes back to his house and realizes his FIL is dead, isn't that going to fuck up their marriage? Didn't Barry actually indirectly kill Joseph, because he didn't save him at Jitterbugs????
*side-eyeing you so hard right now, Barry*
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:12 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
100% convinced that masked tapper in Zoom's jail is Wally West. Earth-2 Wally almost certainly likes to go fast, too, right?
Vibe and Reverb might have been my new OTP, but gah, gone too soon. Cisco better grab his evil twin's glasses, they're already set to the right frequency!
Aw Ronnie, you're gonna die on all Earths. He is the CW's Sean Bean.
I'm really not cool with how blase Barry was about stealing Earth-2 Barry's final moments with Joseph and Other!Iris. I mean, when Barry2 goes back to his house and realizes his FIL is dead, isn't that going to fuck up their marriage? Didn't Barry actually indirectly kill Joseph, because he didn't save him at Jitterbugs????
*side-eyeing you so hard right now, Barry*
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:12 AM on February 11, 2016 [3 favorites]
Didn't Barry actually indirectly kill Joseph, because he didn't save him at Jitterbugs????
...And he drew the metas there, and he lied to Iris (shock!), and he was out at some jazz club instead of saving Harry's daughter, etc.
posted by ODiV at 8:15 AM on February 11, 2016
...And he drew the metas there, and he lied to Iris (shock!), and he was out at some jazz club instead of saving Harry's daughter, etc.
posted by ODiV at 8:15 AM on February 11, 2016
Other possibilities for masked, likely dark-skinned Morse code-tapping prisoner in Zoom's jail:
- John Diggle
- Andy Diggle
- Earth2 Jax (Jackson of Earth1's NuFirestorm combo, as seen in Legends of Tomorrow)
Dude looked too small/thin to be John Diggle, though. If Zoom is collecting speedsters to shoot up with their powers, like Barry, then Jessie must be Jessie Quick and the masked dude is also a speedster. Could this be our first encounter with Kid Flash (I'm familiar with his character only from the Young Justice cartoon series)?
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:22 AM on February 11, 2016
- John Diggle
- Andy Diggle
- Earth2 Jax (Jackson of Earth1's NuFirestorm combo, as seen in Legends of Tomorrow)
Dude looked too small/thin to be John Diggle, though. If Zoom is collecting speedsters to shoot up with their powers, like Barry, then Jessie must be Jessie Quick and the masked dude is also a speedster. Could this be our first encounter with Kid Flash (I'm familiar with his character only from the Young Justice cartoon series)?
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:22 AM on February 11, 2016
then Jessie must be Jessie Quick
Harry calls her that in her first appearance flashback. Presumably she's not a speedster but we're getting the HEY FANBOYS SHE MIGHT BE SOMEDAY wink.
posted by phearlez at 11:03 AM on February 11, 2016
Harry calls her that in her first appearance flashback. Presumably she's not a speedster but we're getting the HEY FANBOYS SHE MIGHT BE SOMEDAY wink.
posted by phearlez at 11:03 AM on February 11, 2016
Seriously, CW Flash is dropping in ALL THE SPEEDSTERS this season so they'll still have lots to choose from once the Movie Flash gears up and DC starts saying, "Okay, now this character and this one and that one are off limits."
posted by nicebookrack at 11:21 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by nicebookrack at 11:21 AM on February 11, 2016
Wait, if Supergirl is on Earth-2, then why isn't her whole show in this jazz and pinstripes aesthetic (and wouldn't that be the best)?
posted by ODiV at 11:23 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by ODiV at 11:23 AM on February 11, 2016
Supergirl isn't on Earth-2; she's on one of the other worlds Team Flash sees on the side of the cosmic speedforce highway while they're traveling to Earth-2. I assume Barry's going to trip over a rock on his way back home and fall into Superworld (Earth-3? Earth-S?) instead.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:29 AM on February 11, 2016
posted by nicebookrack at 11:29 AM on February 11, 2016
Jazz and pinstripes Supergirl would probably look like Bombshells Kara!
posted by nicebookrack at 11:32 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by nicebookrack at 11:32 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
"Supergirl isn't on Earth-2"
In-show, we don't know that there's not a Supergirl on Earth-2. Maybe there is. But it's not the Supergirl that's currently appearing on television.
"...and he lied to Iris (shock!)"
Barry lies to Iris in all universes, apparently. The thing I hated most about this was that it's setting the stage for Barry/Iris again. If only the Earth-1 Iris would get killed and somehow Barry ends up with Earth-2 Iris -- or Earth-3 Iris, or whatever just so long as it's an Iris who isn't his foster sister. That's assuming that he must end up with Iris, which I refuse to accept.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 11:35 AM on February 11, 2016 [2 favorites]
In-show, we don't know that there's not a Supergirl on Earth-2. Maybe there is. But it's not the Supergirl that's currently appearing on television.
"...and he lied to Iris (shock!)"
Barry lies to Iris in all universes, apparently. The thing I hated most about this was that it's setting the stage for Barry/Iris again. If only the Earth-1 Iris would get killed and somehow Barry ends up with Earth-2 Iris -- or Earth-3 Iris, or whatever just so long as it's an Iris who isn't his foster sister. That's assuming that he must end up with Iris, which I refuse to accept.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 11:35 AM on February 11, 2016 [2 favorites]
Earth Gotham is like the noir mirror world of Earth-2: similar pinstriped aesthetic, but fewer metahumans, and everyone there is murderously deranged.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:38 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by nicebookrack at 11:38 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
This episode was a microcosm of the best and worst parts of the show.
BEST: Full-bore commitment to comic book zaniness, team bonding and cute banter (lol @ Cisco and Barry at STAR Labs), cute civilian outfits (and occasionally good superperson outfits, but that's rarer), impressively non-gratuitous singing from main cast members, fun easter eggs that aren't distracting for new fans
WORST: characters being unintelligent/unempathetic for NO REASON (as nicebookrack pointed out above), Candice Patton and Danielle Panabaker not getting NEARLY enough to do that's not their characters responding to dumbass stuff the dudes around them are up to
I hope we get lots more Killer Frost next episode, and find out whether Barry-2 is really the douchebag Joe-2 seemed to think he is or whether Joe's inability to respect his daughter's autonomy is a multiversal constant.
If only the Earth-1 Iris would get killed and somehow Barry ends up with Earth-2 Iris -- or Earth-3 Iris, or whatever just so long as it's an Iris who isn't his foster sister. That's assuming that he must end up with Iris, which I refuse to accept.
Counter-proposal for this thought experiment: instead of Gwen Stacy-ing Iris like it's 1973, Crisis Barry like it's 1986 and pass on the mantle. Opens a lot more storytelling possbilities.
Whatever one thinks of the ship, there are two very important reasons to have Iris/Barry stick in at least one universe/timeline, and those two reasons are their grandkids Impulse and XS, aka Most Adorablest Speedsters (past puberty, anyway, Irey was pretty cute).
So despite my wishful thinking it's pretty Jenni will show up (except maybe as a Legion cameo), but some version of Bart's high concept will probably show up eventually -- it's just too much fun for the showrunners not to want to play with. A born speedster from the future who, contrary to all the speedsters so far, has to be helped to slow down rather than speed up or they'll die of old age before they can vote. And they're a Thawne as well as a West-Allen!
posted by bettafish at 2:56 PM on February 11, 2016 [5 favorites]
BEST: Full-bore commitment to comic book zaniness, team bonding and cute banter (lol @ Cisco and Barry at STAR Labs), cute civilian outfits (and occasionally good superperson outfits, but that's rarer), impressively non-gratuitous singing from main cast members, fun easter eggs that aren't distracting for new fans
WORST: characters being unintelligent/unempathetic for NO REASON (as nicebookrack pointed out above), Candice Patton and Danielle Panabaker not getting NEARLY enough to do that's not their characters responding to dumbass stuff the dudes around them are up to
I hope we get lots more Killer Frost next episode, and find out whether Barry-2 is really the douchebag Joe-2 seemed to think he is or whether Joe's inability to respect his daughter's autonomy is a multiversal constant.
If only the Earth-1 Iris would get killed and somehow Barry ends up with Earth-2 Iris -- or Earth-3 Iris, or whatever just so long as it's an Iris who isn't his foster sister. That's assuming that he must end up with Iris, which I refuse to accept.
Counter-proposal for this thought experiment: instead of Gwen Stacy-ing Iris like it's 1973, Crisis Barry like it's 1986 and pass on the mantle. Opens a lot more storytelling possbilities.
Whatever one thinks of the ship, there are two very important reasons to have Iris/Barry stick in at least one universe/timeline, and those two reasons are their grandkids Impulse and XS, aka Most Adorablest Speedsters (past puberty, anyway, Irey was pretty cute).
So despite my wishful thinking it's pretty Jenni will show up (except maybe as a Legion cameo), but some version of Bart's high concept will probably show up eventually -- it's just too much fun for the showrunners not to want to play with. A born speedster from the future who, contrary to all the speedsters so far, has to be helped to slow down rather than speed up or they'll die of old age before they can vote. And they're a Thawne as well as a West-Allen!
posted by bettafish at 2:56 PM on February 11, 2016 [5 favorites]
Whatever one thinks of the ship, there are two very important reasons to have Iris/Barry stick in at least one universe/timeline, and those two reasons are their grandkids Impulse and XS, aka Most Adorablest Speedsters (past puberty, anyway, Irey was pretty cute).
If Wally doesn't have to be a nephew I don't see why they have to have the same lineage.
posted by phearlez at 5:12 PM on February 11, 2016
If Wally doesn't have to be a nephew I don't see why they have to have the same lineage.
posted by phearlez at 5:12 PM on February 11, 2016
Because why else would adorable Impulse be a hereditary speedster named Bart(holomew) Allen? And because I want to see Barry's brain break when he realizes his grandbaby is half Thawne, that's why!
No grudging Iris, please. I'm definitely hoping for Impulse. I'm still crossing my fingers for "the writers snorted cocaine and then pulled backstory out of a hat" speedster Captain Boomerang II. Or go hang out with your BFF Supergirl, Boomer!
posted by nicebookrack at 9:27 PM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
No grudging Iris, please. I'm definitely hoping for Impulse. I'm still crossing my fingers for "the writers snorted cocaine and then pulled backstory out of a hat" speedster Captain Boomerang II. Or go hang out with your BFF Supergirl, Boomer!
posted by nicebookrack at 9:27 PM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]
It seems the archer in the 'tunnel between worlds' is a black character, and people are speculating he's Connor Hawke.
I'm guessing, if he is Connor, he's from the future, and probably from LOT and man... the text says he's is mother was half black and half Korean, and his father Oliver is white.... but those images make it seem like no one got the message.
Of course, I've read One Year Later and Blackest Night, and I have zero memory of him.
posted by Mezentian at 1:24 AM on February 12, 2016
I'm guessing, if he is Connor, he's from the future, and probably from LOT and man... the text says he's is mother was half black and half Korean, and his father Oliver is white.... but those images make it seem like no one got the message.
Of course, I've read One Year Later and Blackest Night, and I have zero memory of him.
posted by Mezentian at 1:24 AM on February 12, 2016
I like that Cisco had twizzlers in his tactical toolvest.
posted by yonega at 10:00 AM on February 13, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by yonega at 10:00 AM on February 13, 2016 [3 favorites]
If you say in the first chapter that there is arifleMayor Snart hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there.
--Anton Chekhov
Director to Tom Cavanagh: "BE AS EXASPERATED AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN BE ALL THE TIME." (Which, admittedly, was fun to watch.)
And, seriously, for all that was nifty about this ep, Barry wasn't just carrying the idiot ball, he was crushed under its weight. Terrible terrible terrible writing:
"OK, so he already knows that people from Earth-1 have doppelgangers on Earth-2, and he already knows that they're not exactly the same people, and everyone is warning him immediately before he leaves that THESE ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE. Clearly, then, we should have him walk around like the most gormless goober in the history of the world blurting out whatever fool thing pops into his head and goggling open-mouthed at every single person."
"Well, I dunno, Barry Allen's supposedly a big ol' genius, graduated from college at like 14, maybe we should tone it down some, allow that maybe he's just bright enough to tie his own shoes?"
"NOPE. FULL IDIOT AHEAD."
Aaaaargh. Seriously, I almost didn't make it through the episode.
posted by soundguy99 at 12:18 PM on February 13, 2016
I can see being overwhelmed by the emotional impact of being near people you love who are not the same people. What I cannot see is casually kidnapping your doppelganger like this is the most normal thing in the world and not, you know, kidnapping. Barry's total inability to recognize other humans as humans (and not plot devices) made me wonder if Steven Moffat had joined the writing staff.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:31 PM on February 13, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:31 PM on February 13, 2016 [2 favorites]
He was just so overcome with joy that there's a whole new Iris to keep secrets from.
posted by ODiV at 12:38 PM on February 13, 2016 [12 favorites]
posted by ODiV at 12:38 PM on February 13, 2016 [12 favorites]
On the plus side, I finally got to see the cool Earth-2 Flash costume again.
posted by wittgenstein at 5:40 AM on February 14, 2016
posted by wittgenstein at 5:40 AM on February 14, 2016
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Have any of the recap sites done a frame-by-frame look at the breach sequence? I saw Supergirl, but I didn't go back for a rewatch since I'm not going to get all the references. And who was the masked guy tapping on the glass at Barry in Zoom's prison?
posted by oh yeah! at 5:31 AM on February 11, 2016 [1 favorite]