Lucifer: A Priest Walks into a Bar
March 22, 2016 5:25 AM - Season 1, Episode 9 - Subscribe
A priest turns to Lucifer for help when he believes a drug operation has set up shop at a youth center in the neighborhood; Malcolm finds a way to watch Dan.
I wonder if Amenadiel is heading towards a fall from grace if Malcolm does try to murder Lucifer. Could he end up being the new bearer of the key to the gates of Hell like the two angels in the original Sandman run?
Watching this episode, I decided that I want Dr. Linda to learn that Lucifer truly is the Devil - and then keep on treating him as a patient. I bet Harris could have a lot of fun with that.
posted by oh yeah! at 10:45 AM on March 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
Watching this episode, I decided that I want Dr. Linda to learn that Lucifer truly is the Devil - and then keep on treating him as a patient. I bet Harris could have a lot of fun with that.
posted by oh yeah! at 10:45 AM on March 22, 2016 [4 favorites]
Damn does the priest ever have a great voice.
Also, is the show pushing Catholicism as the religion that has it right? Lucifer straight up calls Father Frank God's representative on Earth, if I remember right. Was (naively) hoping they'd keep it a little more vague than that.
I was hoping Malcolm would just tell Amenadiel to fuck off at the end there. Not the wisest move, surely, but he doesn't strike me as the wisest guy around and I'd like to see just how much leeway Amenadiel has. Are we talking Old Testament levels of wrath or are his hands tied? Is the big guy even paying attention?
Oh right, and as predicted Detective Douche has his dumb explanation on how he shot a cop, but he's not actually dirty.
posted by ODiV at 11:29 AM on March 22, 2016
Also, is the show pushing Catholicism as the religion that has it right? Lucifer straight up calls Father Frank God's representative on Earth, if I remember right. Was (naively) hoping they'd keep it a little more vague than that.
I was hoping Malcolm would just tell Amenadiel to fuck off at the end there. Not the wisest move, surely, but he doesn't strike me as the wisest guy around and I'd like to see just how much leeway Amenadiel has. Are we talking Old Testament levels of wrath or are his hands tied? Is the big guy even paying attention?
Oh right, and as predicted Detective Douche has his dumb explanation on how he shot a cop, but he's not actually dirty.
posted by ODiV at 11:29 AM on March 22, 2016
Also, is the show pushing Catholicism as the religion that has it right?
Catholicism pretty much wrote the book (no pun intended...sort of) on all of the deep, arcane inside-baseball mythology that shows, books, movies, etc. like this rely on, as well as has the advantage of all those centuries under it's belt. There's a reason people refer to the Roman Catholic Church as simply "The Church."
posted by Thorzdad at 11:41 AM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Catholicism pretty much wrote the book (no pun intended...sort of) on all of the deep, arcane inside-baseball mythology that shows, books, movies, etc. like this rely on, as well as has the advantage of all those centuries under it's belt. There's a reason people refer to the Roman Catholic Church as simply "The Church."
posted by Thorzdad at 11:41 AM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Yeah, just wish they'd kept it murkier, that's all. I'd wager that we see Lucifer acknowledge some other faith as being relevant if we get a second season.
Oh yeah, and Maze is still around which is not that surprising, but slightly disappointing*. I wonder how many times they've been "done" in the past.
*- Not that I like the idea of actors losing work, but sometimes I swear I can feel relationships on TV straining in vain against the contracts of those who portray the characters involved.
posted by ODiV at 12:01 PM on March 22, 2016
Oh yeah, and Maze is still around which is not that surprising, but slightly disappointing*. I wonder how many times they've been "done" in the past.
*- Not that I like the idea of actors losing work, but sometimes I swear I can feel relationships on TV straining in vain against the contracts of those who portray the characters involved.
posted by ODiV at 12:01 PM on March 22, 2016
I thought that was the least convincing portrayal of a Catholic Priest I've seen in a very long time. I'm not Catholic and I've not personally known many (any?) priests, but, really, this wasn't convincing to me more generally. I might have been persuaded the character was a religiously-affiliated and devout drug and alcohol abuse counselor. Maybe.
"Oh right, and as predicted Detective Douche has his dumb explanation on how he shot a cop, but he's not actually dirty."
I didn't quite follow that; or, if I did, it didn't make sense to me. He was protecting Chloe because she was seen by whatshisname and he started to draw his gun, right? But if that was all, then it was a totally righteous shooting and there would be no need for secrecy or cover-up or whatever. This would be true even if he was off-the-clock and had just followed her there, or something. Except that he was in the (secret) basement corridor. The only thing that makes sense, and which I assumed was a detail I just didn't quite hear, was that he was dirty to some degree and that's why he was there -- he just had to shoot whatshisname to protect Chloe.
Also, I expected Chloe to notice that Lucifer was able to lift and pin a much larger and heavier man to a wall by the throat about four feet off the ground using only one hand. That's the sort of thing that catches one's attention.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:24 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
"Oh right, and as predicted Detective Douche has his dumb explanation on how he shot a cop, but he's not actually dirty."
I didn't quite follow that; or, if I did, it didn't make sense to me. He was protecting Chloe because she was seen by whatshisname and he started to draw his gun, right? But if that was all, then it was a totally righteous shooting and there would be no need for secrecy or cover-up or whatever. This would be true even if he was off-the-clock and had just followed her there, or something. Except that he was in the (secret) basement corridor. The only thing that makes sense, and which I assumed was a detail I just didn't quite hear, was that he was dirty to some degree and that's why he was there -- he just had to shoot whatshisname to protect Chloe.
Also, I expected Chloe to notice that Lucifer was able to lift and pin a much larger and heavier man to a wall by the throat about four feet off the ground using only one hand. That's the sort of thing that catches one's attention.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:24 PM on March 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Oh that's true, we did hear that he was dirty to some degree in that he looked the other way (how many times?) for Malcolm. I more meant that even though he shot Malcolm, he wasn't the "bad guy". I'm not quite as confident that such a shooting would be seen as righteous. Aren't you supposed to identify yourself as a cop and ask the suspects to drop it?
I haven't known a great many priests, but I did grow up Catholic. When compared to pretty much every other vocation on the show Frank didn't stand out to me as unrealistic, but I wasn't paying attention for that specifically when I watched the episode.
posted by ODiV at 2:40 PM on March 22, 2016
I haven't known a great many priests, but I did grow up Catholic. When compared to pretty much every other vocation on the show Frank didn't stand out to me as unrealistic, but I wasn't paying attention for that specifically when I watched the episode.
posted by ODiV at 2:40 PM on March 22, 2016
I thought that was the least convincing portrayal of a Catholic Priest I've seen in a very long time. I'm not Catholic and I've not personally known many (any?) priests, but, really, this wasn't convincing to me more generally.
I grew up Catholic and, honestly, he didn't seem too out of the ordinary to me. A lot of priests, in my experience, are pretty indistinguishable from any other normal guy if they aren't wearing the collar. The good ones really never put-off that "holy-joe" air. I suppose you could argue that this guy was wallowing in the good old days a little too much, drinking and wailing on the piano. That said, I've shared keg duties with a priest at a wedding reception, so...
posted by Thorzdad at 4:01 PM on March 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
I grew up Catholic and, honestly, he didn't seem too out of the ordinary to me. A lot of priests, in my experience, are pretty indistinguishable from any other normal guy if they aren't wearing the collar. The good ones really never put-off that "holy-joe" air. I suppose you could argue that this guy was wallowing in the good old days a little too much, drinking and wailing on the piano. That said, I've shared keg duties with a priest at a wedding reception, so...
posted by Thorzdad at 4:01 PM on March 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
One would think that a person, whose job it was for millenia to punish sinners, would a) be more creative and b) had learned at least some insights about crime on earth, which could then be applied on the cases at hand.
I also wonder if ladycop ever shot somebody else but him? Her timing in the church was a crime in itself.
posted by KMB at 3:20 AM on March 24, 2016
I also wonder if ladycop ever shot somebody else but him? Her timing in the church was a crime in itself.
posted by KMB at 3:20 AM on March 24, 2016
Damn does the priest ever have a great voice.
The actor is Colman Domingo, who's been in at least 3 Broadway Musicals, including "Passing Strange". Lately he's been in "Fear The Walking Dead" and coming up soon he'll be in the film "Birth Of A Nation".
On a similarly musical note, I did a show with him in 2003 which opened with a scene on Thomas Jefferson's plantation, with the slaves at work in the fields, and it was decided in one rehearsal that they should be singing a "Gospel" version of a hip-hop song as they worked. When the director decided that, Colman rounded the cast into a side room for only about five minutes and when they all came out, he'd worked out AND taught them all a Gospel arrangement of Nelly's "Hot In Herre".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:02 AM on March 31, 2016 [10 favorites]
The actor is Colman Domingo, who's been in at least 3 Broadway Musicals, including "Passing Strange". Lately he's been in "Fear The Walking Dead" and coming up soon he'll be in the film "Birth Of A Nation".
On a similarly musical note, I did a show with him in 2003 which opened with a scene on Thomas Jefferson's plantation, with the slaves at work in the fields, and it was decided in one rehearsal that they should be singing a "Gospel" version of a hip-hop song as they worked. When the director decided that, Colman rounded the cast into a side room for only about five minutes and when they all came out, he'd worked out AND taught them all a Gospel arrangement of Nelly's "Hot In Herre".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:02 AM on March 31, 2016 [10 favorites]
"Lately he's been in 'Fear The Walking Dead'..."
Oh, right, he's the salesman! A supporting character and yet easily the most memorable and interesting character on the show.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:32 AM on March 31, 2016
Oh, right, he's the salesman! A supporting character and yet easily the most memorable and interesting character on the show.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:32 AM on March 31, 2016
This was an odd episode, but darned if the piano duet wasn't cute.
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If Lucifer dies and goes to Hell, does he go back to ruling Hell, or does he return as a normal resident?
posted by Thorzdad at 9:19 AM on March 22, 2016