Preacher: Pilot   Show Only 
May 23, 2016 8:19 PM - Season 1, Episode 1 - Subscribe

Fulfilling a promise to his deceased father, one-time outlaw Jesse Custer returns home to West Texas to take over his dad's church as a small-town preacher. And then things get weird.
posted by filthy light thief (30 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
I thought I was losing my mind, only to see the other pilot episodes pop up as deleted posts, and I said "ah, fook it."

Anyway, on this episode: for a while I thought it was a SyFy production, given how uneven the accents were and how chaotic it all felt, similar to Ash vs Evil Dead, except poorly executed where Ash felt suitably chaotic and wacky, like the movies.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:22 PM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]


I had made two posts, but I guess someone was not happy with the iMDb's summary.

(shrug)
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:29 PM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]


More nit-picking: why is the LOCATION text so big, is this due to audiences experiencing videos on everything from phone screens to huge HDTVs, so details are catered to the small screen? And it bugs me that Africa is a country. It was cute at first when the view went from outer space to the stylized globe, but then we're back to AFRICA, when Kansas is, well, KANSAS.

Still, better than most things, including the zombie show trash fires from AMC. I'm not sure this will "free" AMC from it's TWD "ratings prison", as so eloquently put by Forbes, but I'll tune back in.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:29 PM on May 23, 2016


Ok I'll be honest. I'm confused. Part of it was the sound would suddenly go WAY DOWN and I had to finally turn on CC. It was very annoying.

Considering the cast, I was really excited for this show. Having seen the first ep, I'm not sure I'm gonna stay with it. A lot of different locations and things were thrown at you so it was difficult. Like eczema guy's story interrupting the preacher's final sermon. It interrupts the flow of the speech and just felt...really weird even though I knew the entire time what was going to happen. And that's the other thing. For everything that is thrown, almost all of it was really predictable. Eczema guy and the saloon punch out are the most obvious examples.


I really anticipated enjoying this show a lot more so I'm hoping people will show up and explain what I'm missing so I can enjoy it. Right now I'm like "Meh."
posted by miss-lapin at 8:30 PM on May 23, 2016


I had made two posts, but I guess someone was not happy with the iMDb's summary.

On seeing your deleted post, there's a comment that there might have been a description swap, or IMDb was to blatant in its description, for those who don't know the story from the comics.

I really anticipated enjoying this show a lot more so I'm hoping people will show up and explain what I'm missing so I can enjoy it. Right now I'm like "Meh."

I feel like that's part of the idea with this pilot - get you interested in knowing more about this universe, and get you to come back next week.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:35 PM on May 23, 2016


Eczema guy and the saloon punch out are the most obvious examples.

We got telling and showing! Preacher walked us through how the fight would go, and lo, so did it happen!

Which indicates he's a good fighter (and there was a moment that we saw that he really enjoys it, too, even if he's trying to shed that aspect of his past). I was more annoyed by the piece of paper left behind. Yeah, we get it, he's a terrible at formally preaching in church, and he's not too good at comforting his flock, either.

It's not awful, but it's definitely no Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, though the jump cut from falling body to ketchup splat was cute. (I'm trying to soften my negative response because I did generally enjoy it, but it's too easy to pick apart. So I'll stop here.)
posted by filthy light thief at 8:41 PM on May 23, 2016


[DRAMATIC TEABAG EATING MUSIC]
posted by Drastic at 9:22 PM on May 23, 2016 [5 favorites]


It was total nonsense, but fun total nonsense, and I think we can comfortably describe AMC's other genre shows as 'not fun' (hell yes, I'm looking at you, TWD). Given the raging dumpster fires of every other Vertigo adaptation ever, I was very pleasantly surprised (if I ever meet the dickhead who turned Lucifer into Californication+Castle, I'm gonna kick 'em in the hurty parts). And it's not like the source material made a hell of a lot of sense, anyway.

Joe Gilgun and Ruth Negga are clearly having a ball - I mean, I'd cheerfully watch Gilgun gurn his way through the alphabet - and it's clear to me at least that the alumni of that underrated UK gem Misfits (including poor typecast Iwan Rheon in GoT) are an exciting bunch of actors to watch. Dominic Cooper's a bit too clean-cut and lacking in gnarly gravitas to be much more than forgettable though.

I think the jump-cuts, massive location text and other stylistic chrome are leaning on a kind of stoner-schlock aesthetic: Seth Rogen is producing, after all. It's a self conscious YOU ARE HAVING FUN deal. I think you just have to kind of go with the ride...
posted by prismatic7 at 10:13 PM on May 23, 2016 [3 favorites]


I now just want a show that consists entirely of Ruth Negga killing guys in increasingly improbable ways, explanations optional.
posted by mordax at 4:05 AM on May 24, 2016 [9 favorites]


Except I felt less interested after seeing the pilot rather than more, so it failed in the "Here's a taste of what's to come" department. Even teabag eating guy left me pretty like "Well that's interesting but not interesting ENOUGH."

As for the fight scene, I did really enjoy that slow moment where we see him smile, but aside from that showing us the Preacher is a good fighter and is triggered by protecting the innocent (bad guy trying to be good) is a complete waste of time. We know it's going to go down. We know why it's going to go down. We know he's a badass fighter waiting for that to come out. That one moment isn't enough to justify that entire scene to me. It's a pilot. You have a small window of time to convince viewers to invest in the show-wasting time on a predictable scene really isn't a wise choice. Certainly you could easily have done that scene with having the slow mo shot as he throws the first punch and then have the next be him in jail with Cassidy as Cassidy mumbles "I don't know what I'm doing here" to himself. Shows us his enjoyment of the fight.Later we will see his victim bruised and bandaged at the service. This frees up some time to spend on more interesting characters like the chick Macgyvering those bombs with the kids. THAT was a fun scene. I'd like more of that please.
posted by miss-lapin at 6:01 AM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


I stopped watching at about the 5-minute mark when Dominic Cooper opened his mouth for the first time. Then I thought, "maybe it gets better," and decided to watch the whole episode. It's hard to take a character seriously when he sounds like a bad imitation of Forrest Gump.
posted by bradf at 6:53 AM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hmm.

I really liked it, but I've read the books, too. I can see where, not having some of the backstory of what COULD be happening could make the show harder to access.

There's a lot there that WASN'T in the books, though, so it's kinda neat to see what's happening.
posted by Thistledown at 7:07 AM on May 24, 2016


More nit-picking: why is the LOCATION text so big,

Captain America:Civil War did a similar thing with a similar font, and considering I didn't see it until Sunday afternoon it was quite the coincidence.

Not sure I'll stick with the show, (like literally original drama AMC airs, I can see why people might like them for various reasons but for other reasons they end up "not for me") but I'm super happy to see Ruth Negga in anything, even if I just learned her name Sunday night and I thought she was incredible (like will probably keep me watching for a few more episodes) in this.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:10 AM on May 24, 2016


Dominic Cooper has what I consider to be the typical actor-who-tried-hard-but-doesn't-get-it southern accent. He generally pronounces the syllables correctly, but he doesn't nail the flow... the drawling, lazy, occasional bits omitted or mumbled aspects of the accent he's going for.

Note when he's talking to the kid about his dad. Compare his accent and the kid's.

In service of saying, "I don't like him" the kid says something approximating, "ah-own-LAHK-um." Cooper responds with "Wah don't yew lahk heeyum?" The tonality is mostly solid in what he says, but compare it to the way the kid with a natural southern accent slurs and blends things together.

Maybe it's a decision he's making and it will fit his character somehow. Maybe I'm biased to a certain kind of southern accent. I dunno. But the kid sounds spot-on (and probably is using his actual accent) and Cooper sounds... off. He may very well sound much better once he settles in. Kyra Sedgwick kinda did the same in the early episodes of The Closer and within a year, she'd gotten good enough that it was jarring to recall she is actually a nice Jewish girl from New York City.

The worst offender in this category of actorly accents in recent memory was Michael Rappaport in Justified, who had some of the right sounds but not only failed to drawl and drop things in a convincing way, but in fact hit every goddamned syllable like he was John Henry hammering a railroad spike.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:35 AM on May 24, 2016 [2 favorites]


MCMikeNamara: Captain America:Civil War did a similar thing with a similar font, and considering I didn't see it until Sunday afternoon it was quite the coincidence.

Thanks - I blanked on the other recent source. It suddenly felt like a weird micro-trend.

Dominic Cooper has what I consider to be the typical actor-who-tried-hard-but-doesn't-get-it southern accent. He generally pronounces the syllables correctly, but he doesn't nail the flow... the drawling, lazy, occasional bits omitted or mumbled aspects of the accent he's going for.

For me, the worst part is that it's not consistent. He was great fun as the young Stark Sr. in Agent Carter, but his accent and vocal mannerisms were probably closer to his natural voice, where this all seems awkward, but in different ways from scene to scene and line to line. Otherwise, he fits the role well.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:49 AM on May 24, 2016


None of those accents, to my recollection, are west Texan. They're all bad; the ones that are more Texan than Hollywood's idea of "Southern" are east Texan. Collectively, the accents were like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. I see what they're going for and I'm okay with it in theory, but the realization of it is broken for me in pretty much the way that the bad accents exemplify. Ash Versus the Evil Dead and Fargo are stylized, somewhat caricatured and humorous perspectives on their characters, but in both of those shows there's at the core a real empathy for the characters, a sense of them as real people even though the shows make them cartoonish. Ash makes fun of working in a dead-end retail job, but it feels like it has experience with and respect for people in dead-end retail jobs. Likewise, Fargo's small-town and MN/ND lives and mannerisms. Those shows connect the audience to those characters even as they emphasize how they are different from most of the audience, but this show just emphasizes the otherness. It's condescending.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 10:13 AM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


Drastic: [DRAMATIC TEABAG EATING MUSIC]

It was necessary, otherwise you might think the guy's just a bit quirky, like people (me) who will eat a muffin, wrapper and all, or eat a kiwi fruit as if it were an apple (moar fiber! MOAR! and they taste good enough to eat), and not the sign of One Tough Dude. I guess.
posted by filthy light thief at 12:48 PM on May 24, 2016


I thought the dramatic music was there just to underline how extremely non-human those guys were. I mean, they might be tough, but mostly they were the quirky "I'm not from here and I don't know how tea works" people. Music and all.
posted by tracicle at 1:39 PM on May 24, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, my feeling was it was showing that these were aliens who were about 95% able to imitate humans.

I never heard of the comics, and even the trailer made it look like the usual "former bad guy doesn't want trouble, but trouble wants him" type of thing. So aliens and exploding Tom Cruise make me want to watch more.

Also, I'm from Los Angeles, and all the accents sounded ok to me ;-)
posted by sideshow at 2:13 PM on May 24, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's funny to me that Jesse Custer sounds pretty much exactly like Rick Grimes. To the point I almost have to wonder if Dominic Cooper is doing it on purpose.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:46 PM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


Man, I loved this. After a drab, drab season of GoT it's nice to see an action show actually have fun, watchable, and dynamic action scenes. Apart from that, I was impressed with the direction. Lots of clever shots, fluid action, non-linear editing, conversation scenes that are more than angle/reverse... very visually interesting, even if it's treading familiar ground. In terms of plot, I'm vaguely familiar with the comics, and may have read one or two once, but I was able to follow what's going on, and I'm interested to see what's living inside of preacher-man. The characters are all compelling so far, although Cassidy seems like a show stealer. It takes a lot to get me to care about conflicted-brooding-man, but Jesse is enjoyable enough to do that. Tulip seems like a great character, and I'm excited to see her in action as the supernatural plot unfolds.
posted by codacorolla at 8:51 PM on May 24, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm interested to see what's living inside of preacher-man

And! More importantly, to my mind, why he was able to contain it when not even Tom Cruise could manage that feat.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:36 AM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think this was edited very poorly. I kept thinking there was some thematic thing the director was going for (like in the brief shot of the two kids wrestling at the picnic) but it got cut to hell in the editing. The stuff on the plane with Cassidy (really., his every scene) seemed too disjointed and rough. The Tank Girl movie was a better comic adaptation than this messy pilot.
posted by Catblack at 8:37 PM on May 25, 2016 [1 favorite]


The problem is Darrick Roberts.

Jesse, Tulip, Cassidy and Arseface were introduced with skill and subtlety, but, the Fanfare search field failed on both Firefox and Safari on Mac - I had to resort to googling "fanfare custer" to get here.

Incomprehensible west-Texas accent meets incomprehensible north-Irish accent. YES. Arseface with more subtlety and genuine emotion than even in the comics. Yes.

Tulip is Black, and kills people with little plastic army-men. YES!

Jesse Custer with silver collar-points, a broad belt-buckle and alligator boots?

Who can kick ass on his own?

Y. E. S.

Unintended consequences for Ted and his Mom... well, welcome to Ennis-land. Every decision you make results in horrible suffering.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:24 PM on May 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, yeah, I forgot, the problem is Roberts, the incredibly skilled artist who brought these characters to life in the comics.

The TV characters look nothing like his. They have realistic jaw-lines, for one, and noses that are not all aquiline. They are ordinary people, some of them attractive.

Every character is cast perfectly by actors who give a shit.

Roberts poisoned the well visually the strength of his imagination is immense, except that the ultra-violent scenes he envisioned are carefully re-created on-screen, with all of their ludicrous horror. This is a love-letter to the original comic, writing and art. I'm digging it.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:33 PM on May 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow, harsh opinions. I loved it !! Didn't notice any problems with the accents, but maybe that's because I'm from Europe.
posted by Pendragon at 7:48 AM on May 29, 2016


I really enjoyed it too, though I don't know much about the source material (I vaguely remember that the Preacher showed up in Sandman once) and know even less about Texas. The premier was fun, and I think the jumpy editing gave it a unique, quirky style. Maybe it was a little self-conscious, but I'm ok with that.

I had to rewind during the tea-bag eating scene ; the dramatic music made me think I must have missed some important detail, like maybe he was eating some child's heart. But no, it was just a tea bag.
posted by kanewai at 3:45 AM on June 8, 2016


For those who don't get why the Texas accent thing is so grating, it's the equivalent of Keanu Reeves' British accent in Bram Stoker's Dracula - DirtyOldTown is exactly right about the way Texans swallow their vowels and slur together words; it's not just elongating the vowels that matters, y'know?

Correct: Lahk hym
Incorrect: Laaahk hee-yim

I'm a native Texan (East, though, not West) and it's enough to distract me, but I'm actively trying to suppress my annoyance and just roll with it.

Because I'm in love with Ruth Negga and don't give a DAMN who knows it. She is pure weaponized femininity, perfectly realized in every way. I'm guessing that typecasts her into certain roles, but Tulip's pretty great.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 3:34 PM on June 9, 2016


I'm a native Texan (East, though, not West) and it's enough to distract me, but I'm actively trying to suppress my annoyance and just roll with it.

I get where you're coming from, but I have little sympathy. Literally everyone trying to do a New England accent, including people actually fro New England, is terrible at it. (Affleck trying to do a Boston accent deliberately is painful and Markie Mark sounds like he's developing a speech impediment rather than playing up his hometown sound.)

It's like watching Hugh Laurie trying to sound like a Generic American by over-enunciating and adding in consonants at random - you just roll with it after a while.
posted by Slap*Happy at 3:49 PM on June 9, 2016


No problem with the accents (British-Australian). The scene changing was annoying as hell but I stuck it out. By the end of the first episode I was in. Binge time.
posted by unliteral at 4:37 PM on September 13, 2016


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