Orange Is the New Black: Work That Body For Me
June 18, 2016 7:57 PM - Season 4, Episode 1 - Subscribe
The inmates return from a field trip, the newbs suss out the power structure, and Alex does some gardening.
I'm completely here for Piper embracing her awful nature, her upper middle class niceness always felt like a cover anyway. She's so much more authentic when she's being a prick.
posted by The Whelk at 11:26 PM on June 18, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 11:26 PM on June 18, 2016 [3 favorites]
I was hopeful that the contaminated water would lead to a bit of a subplot but was disappointed.
posted by yes I said yes I will Yes at 4:53 AM on June 19, 2016
posted by yes I said yes I will Yes at 4:53 AM on June 19, 2016
Murder math!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:30 AM on June 19, 2016
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:30 AM on June 19, 2016
Like Daya's pregnancy, Piper's sentence seems to be neverending. Her release date has to be coming up soon, doesn't it? In lieu of that, I can't wait for her thin 'gangsta' shell to get torn the fuck apart by the new girls coming in.
posted by Fig at 6:36 AM on June 19, 2016
posted by Fig at 6:36 AM on June 19, 2016
I think what I liked about this episode was the lack of flashbacks. It's all focused on wrapping up last season's finale and setting up the season.
posted by Catblack at 10:13 AM on June 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Catblack at 10:13 AM on June 19, 2016 [2 favorites]
Can I just say that I love Lori Petty and Lolly is just the best?
Also, Chang and the long shower. ;)
Piper, you poor, misguided fool.
posted by [insert clever name here] at 2:55 PM on June 19, 2016
Also, Chang and the long shower. ;)
Piper, you poor, misguided fool.
posted by [insert clever name here] at 2:55 PM on June 19, 2016
I generally love the flashbacks. It helps give more depth to the characters. That said, I think the ones where they have the actor made-up to play way younger just never work. Caputo's backstory last season was especially bad, makeup-wise.
At the end of last season, I assumed Lolly would come to Alex's rescue. Glad that worked out. Lolly's a hoot.
I can't say I'm too pleased with the overcrowding plotline for this season. It feels contrived to me. Not that overcrowding isn't a serious issue with prisons, of course, and OitNB is a great opportunity to,address the problem. But, to have this massive wave of new inmates arrive all on one day? I dunno.
As for Piper...I don't see good things for her this season. I fear a smackdown is headed her way.
Anyone know if Nicky will be returning? The character was only in three episodes last season.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:08 PM on June 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
At the end of last season, I assumed Lolly would come to Alex's rescue. Glad that worked out. Lolly's a hoot.
I can't say I'm too pleased with the overcrowding plotline for this season. It feels contrived to me. Not that overcrowding isn't a serious issue with prisons, of course, and OitNB is a great opportunity to,address the problem. But, to have this massive wave of new inmates arrive all on one day? I dunno.
As for Piper...I don't see good things for her this season. I fear a smackdown is headed her way.
Anyone know if Nicky will be returning? The character was only in three episodes last season.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:08 PM on June 19, 2016 [1 favorite]
I wondered about Nicky, too. Natasha Lyonne was still listed in the credits, so I'm hopeful. I'm only a couple of episodes in so far, but fingers crossed!
posted by terilou at 7:39 AM on June 20, 2016
posted by terilou at 7:39 AM on June 20, 2016
> I can't say I'm too pleased with the overcrowding plotline for this season. It feels contrived to me.
Huh. It seems like the most actually-realistic thing they've done in ages to me.
I am already annoyed by Piper's gangsta bullshit, but also dreading having to endure her eventual emotional breakdown which will follow whatever the other inmates do to her to disavow her of her fantasies.
posted by desuetude at 9:12 PM on June 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Huh. It seems like the most actually-realistic thing they've done in ages to me.
I am already annoyed by Piper's gangsta bullshit, but also dreading having to endure her eventual emotional breakdown which will follow whatever the other inmates do to her to disavow her of her fantasies.
posted by desuetude at 9:12 PM on June 20, 2016 [1 favorite]
Huh. It seems like the most actually-realistic thing they've done in ages to me.
Overcrowding, sure. Absolutely. I was speaking to the way it happened. Doubling the prison population in one day, without notifying the staff? That's the part that feels contrived for the sake of drama. That's all.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:03 AM on June 21, 2016
Overcrowding, sure. Absolutely. I was speaking to the way it happened. Doubling the prison population in one day, without notifying the staff? That's the part that feels contrived for the sake of drama. That's all.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:03 AM on June 21, 2016
I loathe and despise Piper and I want to see her get frog-marched off to SuperMax. Christ Almighty she's one obnoxious little shit.
posted by orange swan at 9:00 AM on June 21, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by orange swan at 9:00 AM on June 21, 2016 [3 favorites]
I don't know. I think they've sort of gone back and forth on whether we're supposed to think Piper is awful or sympathize with her, and this season they've basically just decided to go with her being the worst person in the world. She's stupid, evil, and too caught up in her self-serving narrative to realize that she's either, and I much prefer it that way.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:59 PM on June 21, 2016
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:59 PM on June 21, 2016
Just wondering if there's a consensus on speed for posting other episodes; I'm moving through the season like a house on fire and think it's a big step up from Three. Looking forward to discussing it!
posted by Shepherd at 5:35 PM on June 22, 2016
posted by Shepherd at 5:35 PM on June 22, 2016
YES! I am done my binge watch and ready to discuss the last two episodes. And I don't remember which episode was which well enough to trust myself to comment on earlier episodes without causing spoilers.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 5:47 PM on June 22, 2016
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 5:47 PM on June 22, 2016
Maybe a full-season thread? I think I'm going to finish it tomorrow.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:50 PM on June 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:50 PM on June 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'd be perfectly happy to see the show go on without Piper. She should be getting out soon, shouldn't she?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 6:01 PM on June 22, 2016
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 6:01 PM on June 22, 2016
Maybe a full-season thread?
Yes, please!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:05 PM on June 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
Yes, please!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:05 PM on June 22, 2016 [2 favorites]
This show, y'all. Is it unselfconsciously problematic at times? Yes. Is it uneven? Yeah, definitely, a little. But all around I can't help feeling like it's one of the best shows being made right now.
Re Piper-- tone-wise, OITNB is almost like a couple of different shows running in tandem, and once they ran out of things to do with Piper's actual plot I feel like they sent her over full-time to the Wacky Prison Hijinx Hour, which is where a few other characters like Cindy, Wang, and Lolly also live. I actually think all of those actors do an impressive job with what they're given, but man, the writing on this show is really at its worst when it goes for broad, situational comedy (on the other hand, when the humor is less zany and more observational, it's some of the funniest shit around).
posted by threeants at 6:26 PM on June 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Re Piper-- tone-wise, OITNB is almost like a couple of different shows running in tandem, and once they ran out of things to do with Piper's actual plot I feel like they sent her over full-time to the Wacky Prison Hijinx Hour, which is where a few other characters like Cindy, Wang, and Lolly also live. I actually think all of those actors do an impressive job with what they're given, but man, the writing on this show is really at its worst when it goes for broad, situational comedy (on the other hand, when the humor is less zany and more observational, it's some of the funniest shit around).
posted by threeants at 6:26 PM on June 22, 2016 [1 favorite]
Count me in as another one who would love a full-season thread.
posted by desuetude at 10:57 PM on June 22, 2016
posted by desuetude at 10:57 PM on June 22, 2016
My vote for a full season thread cause yeah it's like at least three shows running in tandem
posted by The Whelk at 11:09 PM on June 22, 2016
posted by The Whelk at 11:09 PM on June 22, 2016
That was a very a satisfying use of Last Resort
posted by vibratory manner of working at 11:14 AM on July 31, 2016
posted by vibratory manner of working at 11:14 AM on July 31, 2016
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I particularly loved the conversation amongst the black inmates and Soso about racism, including Watson's nod to academia's now preferred definition of racism to require power, and the response that to be racist is to be American.
I am also so hopeful for Suzanne, who it seems has turned a corner, and her relationship with Tastee. And Poussey's face about Judy!
So many things to like in this episode.
posted by likeatoaster at 8:02 PM on June 18, 2016 [1 favorite]