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posted by Eyebrows McGee (378 comments total)
 
So, is City of Stars a bad song, or the worst song?

WE COULD HAVE HAD THE ROCK SINGING.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 5:14 PM on February 26 [10 favorites]


So far my least favorite outfits are Naomie Harris's and Dakota Johnson's. And I hate the top of Priyanka Chopra's dress.
posted by SisterHavana at 5:16 PM on February 26


I think we're going to have The Rock singing!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:17 PM on February 26


I love the shit out of the fact that Michelle Williams and Busy Phillips are still always each others' dates!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:17 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


A sentence that should surprise no one: Lin-Manuel Miranda cries on the red carpet.

Also, the Rock was just talking about how much he loved working with him, and it was adorable.
posted by damayanti at 5:19 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Ugh, Mel Gibson makes me feel sick to my stomach. I missed the beginning where they talked about his date, I sincerely hope that is his daughter and not his latest wife.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:22 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I'm not the biggest fan of JT, but this is a way better idea for an opening than the usual montage of movie jokes musical opening. Let's make this a new tradition, please.
posted by TwoStride at 5:34 PM on February 26


I enjoyed the Justin Timberlake opening performance. : ) How fun!
posted by SisterHavana at 5:36 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I guess that I should have know that that was Justin Timberlake. I'm so bad at current popular culture.
posted by octothorpe at 5:36 PM on February 26


Oh good lord what has Mel Gibson done to himself? That is Trump-level of orange clown spraytan.
posted by TwoStride at 5:37 PM on February 26


Okay, that whole "get together, MAGA" setup became WORTH IT when we got to the Kimmel/Damon feud joke. (Enjoy this blast from the feud's past)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:39 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Lin-Manuel made a secret hand sign for MBMBaM fans. Could he be more lovable.
posted by Countess Elena at 5:43 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Well, I thought the opening was really bad, but I'm liking the monologue.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:44 PM on February 26


Yeah, I'm not a huge Kimmel fan (except for his feud with Matt Damon which cracks my shit up), but I thought that monologue landed nicely. Lot of lighter jokes, the darker, pointed ones were pretty dry (which is my style).
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:46 PM on February 26


Did the announcer just call Alicia Vikander Olivia Vikander?
posted by SisterHavana at 5:46 PM on February 26


Does anybody have any links to livestreams?
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 5:46 PM on February 26


Ooof, we're only 17 minutes in and I'm gonna get so upset if this doesn't go to Mahershala Ali...
posted by TwoStride at 5:47 PM on February 26


Maybe the first mention of a president's bowels in an Oscar monologue?
posted by octothorpe at 5:48 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Has anyone figured out how to livestream this thing? I had the ABC.com app all set up on my roku, but it turns out it only has clips, and the stream on ABC.com is ... only available in a few cities? Which is so bizarre.
posted by lunasol at 5:48 PM on February 26


I laughed at Kimmel's weight loss joke, because: pretty much.
posted by TwoStride at 5:48 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Hooray for Mahershala Ali. What a lovely performance.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:49 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]



Ooof, we're only 17 minutes in and I'm gonna get so upset if this doesn't go to Mahershala Ali...


No need to get upset!
posted by SisterHavana at 5:50 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


lunasol, that is apparently the official streaming situation in the US, yeah. I don't know if there are foreign streams you can VPN or whatever.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:50 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Huh, I didn't realize, Mahershala Ali is the first Muslim actor to win an Oscar. (And yay for his new baby! What a great week for him!)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:51 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Woooooo and now I'm happy, and especially for such a gracious speech from Mahershala Ali!
posted by TwoStride at 5:53 PM on February 26


Kate McKinnon's manic weirdness is a good match for Jason Bateman's dry straight man.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:59 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


(not going to stay up until it's time for best foreign film, so dropping this here, for those who haven't already seen it)

Joint statement from Asghar Farhadi, the director of Iran’s The Salesman, Martin Zandvliet, director of Denmark’s Land of Mine, Hannes Holm, director of Sweden’s A Man Called Ove, Maren Ade, director of Germany’s Toni Erdmann and Martin Butler and Bentley Dean, joint directors of Australia’s Tanna:
"On behalf of all nominees, we would like to express our unanimous and emphatic disapproval of the climate of fanaticism and nationalism we see today in the U.S. and in so many other countries, in parts of the population and, most unfortunately of all, among leading politicians. [...] Regardless of who wins the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film on Sunday, we refuse to think in terms of borders. We believe there is no best country, best gender, best religion or best color. We want this award to stand as a symbol of the unity between nations and the freedom of the arts. Human rights are not something you have to apply for. They simply exist – for everybody. For this reason, we dedicate this award to all the people, artists, journalists and activists who are working to foster unity and understanding, and who uphold freedom of expression and human dignity – values whose protection is now more important than ever. By dedicating the Oscar to them, we wish to express to them our deep respect and solidarity."
posted by effbot at 5:59 PM on February 26 [12 favorites]


Suicide Squad, Oscar winner.
posted by octothorpe at 6:00 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


On the one hand, now Suicide Squad gets to call itself an Oscar-winning film. On the other hand, the adorable make-up guy dedicated his award to immigrants.
posted by TwoStride at 6:01 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


The Academy Award winning Suicide Squad. ) :
posted by minsies at 6:01 PM on February 26


Suicide Squad, Oscar winner.

I got to check that box on my Oscar Bingo card!
posted by SisterHavana at 6:01 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I'll bet Sting wins his Oscar pool every year
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:02 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


And I know it's only costuming, but I am pettily happy that La La Land lost something already.
posted by TwoStride at 6:02 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


The Oscars are pretty much the only time that I'm sad that I don't have TV. Not sad enough to go to the bar downstairs and watch them, but still sad.

I have seen an unusual number of nominated movies this year: Moonlight, LaLa Land, Arrival and Toni Erdmann. I didn't particularly love LaLa Land, and I want Moonlight to win everything.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:05 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Well, Batman vs Superman semi-dominated the Razzies Awards, tying with a Dinesh D'Souza propaganda hackjob for most dishonors, so the WB DC Universe needed some good news. But that's quite enough.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:07 PM on February 26


And I know it's only costuming, but I am pettily happy that La La Land lost something already.


And the winner was so delightful/shocked that she won!
posted by damayanti at 6:08 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Hah, I'm at my mom's so I can watch them live for a change.

I love that Janelle Monae's dress probably isn't fitting through doors.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:08 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


(The makeup category was fun, two huge Hollywood productions against a "we cannot afford computer effects and were working on a tight schedule and budget, so we had to make sure our classic makeup effects were solid" team that also got nominated last year for another film. Hopefully they'll win next year :-)
posted by effbot at 6:08 PM on February 26


Shit I started crying too hard to explain to my 7-year-old (who's playing Oscar Bingo with me) who Catherine Johnson is and why everyone's cheering.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:09 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Janelle Monae's dress is wonderful.
posted by Death and Gravity at 6:11 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


OJ wins again! Big year for him.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:12 PM on February 26


I love Janelle Monae's head (to go all GFY), but that dress is a bit much. Taraji looks fantastic, though!
posted by TwoStride at 6:13 PM on February 26


And another box to check off on my bingo card!
posted by SisterHavana at 6:13 PM on February 26


The dress is certainly a bit much, but in all the right ways.
posted by Death and Gravity at 6:14 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


One of the nicest things about the internet/video streaming/digital video has been the dramatic rise in availability and awareness of the documentaries and the shorts. I mean I live in Peoria and I can go see the "Oscar shorts" package less than two miles from my house if I want to see them in the theater, or I can just stream them from amazon.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:15 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Oooh, I'm loving this staging for Moana. And the actress is so nervous but she's crushing it.
posted by TwoStride at 6:17 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


"And the actress is so nervous but she's crushing it."

100% crushing it, I love her!!!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:17 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I just loved that Moana song. SO WELL DONE. Her facial expressions, wow.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:19 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I hope that song wins, but I think it wasn't a big enough hit to, darn it.
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:19 PM on February 26


Eh, I think that LMM's fame/buzz this year will get the song award for him. The song category is almost always one of the biggest WTF categories.
posted by TwoStride at 6:20 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Um...what was that WalMart receipt thing?
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:20 PM on February 26


"now enjoy the first of three short films based on the same Walmart receipt" is a thing my television just said.
posted by lalex at 6:21 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


I strongly think song goes to one of the La La Land ones; LMM has another Disney film coming so the Academy knows this won't be their only chance. And Moana was charming, but Zootopia has been beating it in animated films and it's a strong song year.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:21 PM on February 26


Walmart apparently gave a receipt to Seth Rogan and two other directors and challenged them to make a short film based on the items on the receipt and the shorts will air during the broadcast.
posted by TwoStride at 6:22 PM on February 26


I strongly think song goes to one of the La La Land ones ...but the singing was so weak! Augh!
posted by TwoStride at 6:22 PM on February 26


(ok, yes, I have a rabid hate-on for La La Land, but objectively speaking the musical and dancing qualities can't hold a candle to the 50s movies it adores....)
posted by TwoStride at 6:23 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


90% of my social media feed is "anything but La La Land", and we're all musical theatre geeks.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:25 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


YESSSSSSS "Kimmel serves food to audience" my least-expected Oscar Bingo square!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:26 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


ok, yes, I have a rabid hate-on for La La Land

I have this strange ability to develop a strong rooting interest in things I know nothing about ten minutes before the event (cf the Super Bowl) and right now I'm deeply invested in Moonlight winning everything over La La Land.
posted by lalex at 6:27 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


*hugs lalex if lalex is ok with that*
posted by TwoStride at 6:27 PM on February 26


I'd rather see Moonlight get more, but La La Land had some good moments and reminded me of Jacques Demy, strongly, which was a good thing.
posted by Death and Gravity at 6:28 PM on February 26


Abbot: BWOOOOOMP
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:29 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


*gratefully accepts*
posted by lalex at 6:29 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


OK, linguist me is freaking out about Arrival winning sound editing like woah. Especially because I was worried that La-La Land would beat it out.
posted by damayanti at 6:29 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


I loved Arrival, I was sad it hasn't gotten more awards season recognition, but I guess nerds will watch it forever!

(BOOOO Hacksaw Ridge, I am anti everything Mel Gibson, and only Mel Gibson could make a hilariously, offensively violent and bloody movie about a pacifist ... TWICE.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:30 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


I really should have seen Moonlight. Having such a hard time finding the time to get out to the theater these days.
posted by octothorpe at 6:30 PM on February 26


octothorpe, we streamed Moonlight from iTunes.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:32 PM on February 26


Stolen joke: "What's so hard about sound editing, Arrival? You just put the microphone up to the alien!"
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:33 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


It is now impossible for La La Land to win the most Oscars ever. (says Twitter)
posted by gladly at 6:33 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I feel like it's a teeny bit weird and old-fashioned that they keep having the best supporting actor present actress and vice versa ... maybe it's time for actresses to present to actresses, and actors to present to actors!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:41 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Although I guess sometimes an actress/actor is nominated two years in a row and might potentially have to present to themselves, OBJECTION WITHDRAWN.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:42 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: "octothorpe, we streamed Moonlight from iTunes."

I can't use iTunes but I see that it's on Amazon and Google also. Just haven't had time.
posted by octothorpe at 6:42 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I saw the documentary from about 10 years ago about the soldier on which the Hacksaw Ridge story was based, so it seemed kind of unnecessary to me to see the dramatization.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:42 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Didn't they used to have a cringeworthy thing where the previous winners had to stand onstage and say nice things about the current nominees? Did I hallucinate that?
posted by lalex at 6:44 PM on February 26


Just one or two years.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:45 PM on February 26


Yeah, Viola! Who is looking SMOKIN' in that dress, too! She wears bright colors so incredibly beautifully.
posted by TwoStride at 6:45 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Viola Davis is just an astonishing human being.
posted by lalex at 6:46 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


This speech is gorgeous.
posted by clarinet at 6:46 PM on February 26


It may just be the breastfeeding hormones but I am crying a lot tonight! Viola Davis has me breaking down like whoa.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:47 PM on February 26


Because nothing says Walmart more than a post-apocalyptic wasteland!
posted by octothorpe at 6:50 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


Me: OMG Charlize's earrings!!
Mom: I don't think they go with the dress.
=P
posted by soakimbo at 6:59 PM on February 26


Asghar Farhadi is a new hero.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:01 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


I am at a movie screening/bar in Williamsburg, and I think I've found my people - they're cheering over things like Best Makeup.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:06 PM on February 26


I love how wee Gael Garcia Bernal is.
posted by TwoStride at 7:08 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Piper is adorable, Yay!
posted by maggieb at 7:11 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


GAEL GARCIA BERNAL IS THE COOLEST, GREAT SPEECH
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:11 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


I see almost no movies these days (I have seen Hidden Figures and Moana) but still I somehow cannot resist the Oscars. It's nice to be here with you all.
posted by rtha at 7:15 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Dear Hollywood - please don't keep trying to remind me of the existance of the Fifty Shades movies.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:16 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


La La Land is now tied with Suicide Squad, in number of Oscars and in our hearts.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 7:17 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Dude, NO ONE CARES about this stupid tour bus bit!! Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah let the "little" awards winners speak longer!
posted by TwoStride at 7:18 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Not awkward at all. Not at alllllll.
posted by Justinian at 7:19 PM on February 26


This is gross and painful.
posted by TwoStride at 7:19 PM on February 26


Oh why are they wasting so much time with this? It's 10:30 and I'm going to have to go to bed soon.
posted by octothorpe at 7:21 PM on February 26


Stop letting people grope Mahershala's Oscar. Fuck off, Kimmel.
posted by TwoStride at 7:21 PM on February 26


I've muted it, too stressful. How can this be a surprise - wouldn't these people need to sign releases?
posted by yarrow at 7:21 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


This is the part I'm going to remember when later I become enraged that they've cut off someone's acceptance speech.
posted by lalex at 7:22 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Or am I being credulous.
posted by yarrow at 7:22 PM on February 26


I enjoyed Gary the tour bus guy skipping the white celebrities.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:23 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I feel like Gary and his fiancee getting to meet Denzel made the bit worth it.
posted by gladly at 7:24 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


My face hurts from wincing at the tour bus bit.
posted by gatorae at 7:26 PM on February 26


Awwww, I like the bit where they've got people from other countries talking about their favorite American films, although the guy who likes Modern Times is the most correct.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:28 PM on February 26


Ok, the French (?) woman saying that her favorite American movie was The Big Lebowski because it was "like a Xanax" was cute.
posted by TwoStride at 7:30 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Big Lebowski is like Xanax!
posted by rtha at 7:31 PM on February 26


jinx damn you TwoStride
posted by rtha at 7:31 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I gotta agree with Seth about BTTF being the backbone of classic cinema.
posted by signal at 7:34 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Piper
posted by maggieb at 7:34 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I think the inspiration/person inspired pairings are sweet enough to make up for that drawn-out bus tour thing.
posted by Fig at 7:37 PM on February 26


Ok, I'm torn between smug when La La Land loses and skeeved out when Hacksaw Ridge wins instead.
posted by TwoStride at 7:37 PM on February 26


I love Seth's bucket list, busting out into the song, LMM cracking up--and Michael J. Fox's face being all, "Seriously you expect me to sing?"
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:38 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


It's not cool to make fun of someone's name for being different. Ugh. Fucking Kimmel. So terrible.
posted by Fizz at 7:38 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I am informed by the internet that it is now impossible for La La Land to TIE for the most Oscars ever.
posted by lalex at 7:38 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Michael J. Fox is one of those people I admire -- like John Paul II and Dick Clark -- for continuing to appear publicly for years with a significant late-onset disability, normalizing aging and disability and the public appearance of frailty. YES I JUST COMPARED MICHAEL J FOX TO A SAINT AND HE DESERVES IT, SUCK IT.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 7:41 PM on February 26 [27 favorites]


The tour bus thing is the kind of forced conceits they'd managed to avoid so far.
Bad show.
posted by signal at 7:41 PM on February 26


Are Emma and Ryan singing soon? I need to get to sleep.
posted by signal at 7:42 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I think the tour bus thing was far from good production, and not something I'd want them ever to repeat. On the other hand the pleasure that some of them got, and that some of the hollywood folks got from the interactions, that was nice.
posted by Death and Gravity at 7:45 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Yeah, on the one hand it was kind of adorable, on the other hand it was a little slow.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:49 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


I had just made a joke questioning whether someone in our pool who picked "Sing" knew that it wasn't the movie with the singing animals, and IT WON.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 7:49 PM on February 26


uh did Kimmel just say we're halfway through the show?
posted by lalex at 7:51 PM on February 26


Uh, ouch, this SciTech script.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:52 PM on February 26


I want to get a download of this and make a Kimmel-free edit. I think it's possible!
posted by rhizome at 7:52 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


HA HA NERDS AMIRITE
posted by rhizome at 7:53 PM on February 26


Nominees for best shorts were kept separate from the mainstream nominees....
posted by brujita at 7:53 PM on February 26


It's 2017 and they're still making 'geek' jokes?
posted by signal at 7:53 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I went and got a burrito, thank God I didn't miss the obligatory John Legend performance.
posted by rhizome at 7:54 PM on February 26


Science is awesome and this stupid banter was painful. Also, Leslie Mann...why?
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:54 PM on February 26


It's 2017 and they're still making 'geek' jokes?

The stupid thing is that they make that same joke about no one knowing what the SciTech awards are each and every year. I've been watching Oscar Shows for the past 12 years. I know what the fuck that is. Ugh.
posted by Fizz at 7:59 PM on February 26


No kidding.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:01 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Why the fuck are they making people read mean tweets.
posted by rtha at 8:03 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


It's Kimmel's thing. Some of those were kinda funny (the Miles Teller one in particular).
posted by TwoStride at 8:04 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


CHEATING to have a better singer sing the Oscar-nominated song, La La Land
posted by TwoStride at 8:05 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


guys this is the first time i'm hearing any of the songs from La la land and I'm thinking there is hope for the song from Moana after all
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:06 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


but why wouldn't they have the stars of the musical sing oh wait
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:07 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Am I the first person to point out that this is song is just a minor-key mutation of "Heart and Soul?"
posted by rhizome at 8:07 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Really hoping that Ruth and Denzel win.
posted by Fizz at 8:07 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


but why wouldn't they have the stars of the musical sing

But...Auli'i Cravalho did sing.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:08 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


It's weird seeing all the backlash to La La Land, I feel like a few months ago it was all gushing love. I really enjoyed it but my heart is completely in love with Moonlight.
posted by liquorice at 8:09 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I think there were a lot of us who love musicals and old-timey movies and were told this was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and.... (and that's even before we get into their skeevy vision of a mostly-white L.A. and white people as the true saviors of jazz...)
posted by TwoStride at 8:11 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


That might explain it, I went in with very...hesitant expectations, thinking it was just going to be a film for white people that would have me rolling my eyes at every scene, and still found it quite moving. Ah, expectations - they change everything!
posted by liquorice at 8:13 PM on February 26


I feel like whoever wrote these jokes with Kimmel googled "Oscar jokes that are funny." So cringeworthy.
posted by Fizz at 8:14 PM on February 26


> I think there were a lot of us who love musicals and old-timey movies and were told this was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and....

I work with this guy, Scott. He's an old queen who loves loves loves musicals, even kinda not very good ones. He thought the best thing about La La Land was that it wasn't terrible.
posted by rtha at 8:16 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Wow, I think that's the first time I've ever seen Lin-Manuel Miranda at a loss for words, he must be super-nervous.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:16 PM on February 26


It could be worse I guess, remember when Franco hosted these awards...
posted by Fizz at 8:16 PM on February 26


Ah, the "youth Oscars"! That painfulness seems so naive now.
posted by TwoStride at 8:17 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Boooo "City of Stars"
posted by TwoStride at 8:18 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Nooooo i wanted Lin to get his EGOT tonight dammit
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:18 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Boo, this is the Oscar I really didn't want La La Land to win.
posted by gladly at 8:18 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I'm obsessively following this thread, even though I'm not watching the ceremony and couldn't if I wanted to, because I'm very emotionally committed to Lin Manuel winning. You'll all tell me as soon as it happens, right?
posted by meese at 8:19 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Gee what a surprise Lin-Manuel Miranda loses to two guys named Justin.
posted by Etrigan at 8:19 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Public school shoutout!
posted by rtha at 8:19 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Nooooo i wanted Lin to get his EGOT tonight dammit

He's young. It'll happen.
posted by Fizz at 8:19 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


This is the worst thing that has happened in 2017
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:19 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Bill Paxton shoutout.
posted by rhizome at 8:20 PM on February 26


*pouts about LMM*

Oh good, she added Bill Paxton in and got choked up.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:20 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


He's young. It'll happen.

Yeah, but we wanted him to be the youngest EGOT winner!
posted by TwoStride at 8:21 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


oh THIS SONG.
posted by lalex at 8:21 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Radio Raheem, nice.
posted by rhizome at 8:21 PM on February 26


Noooo even I, the most uncritical movie viewer ever who actually really enjoyed La La Land and went to see it twice (the second time my mom had heard about it and wanted to see it), walked out of the theatre all like, "wait, that main song was.. kind of dumb..."
posted by btfreek at 8:22 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


This song is livelier than "City of Stars"
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:22 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Awww, this is a good in memoriam.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:23 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


This song always makes me cry no matter the circumstance. Dammit.
posted by rtha at 8:23 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I'm surprised this In Memoriam wasn't much longer!
posted by SisterHavana at 8:24 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I'm tearing up at "may the Force be with you."
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:24 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


That Rolex commercial was in bad taste.
posted by rhizome at 8:26 PM on February 26


Well, they ended it just right, except they never need the singer glamour shot at the end. Just fade to black.
posted by Etrigan at 8:27 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Ok, this mockery of We Bought a Zoo is almost worth it.
posted by TwoStride at 8:28 PM on February 26 [8 favorites]


That's about the only thing I've enjoyed with Kimmel. His rivalry with Damon is fun.
posted by Fizz at 8:30 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


.
posted by Death and Gravity at 8:33 PM on February 26


Packed category for best adapted screenplay!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:34 PM on February 26


Wooo, Barry Jenkins and Tarrell Alvin McCraney!
posted by TwoStride at 8:35 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Was wanting Arrival/Ted Chiang to win, but I'm happy that Moonlight got some love.
posted by Fizz at 8:35 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Marvelous speech from both.
posted by lalex at 8:35 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Love those acceptance speeches.
posted by rtha at 8:36 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


#OscarsSoWoke
posted by Fizz at 8:37 PM on February 26


I do think deploying food periodically is an excellent idea.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:37 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Was that an adoption joke? I don't know what is going on with Kimmel - who I normally like very much - tonight.
posted by lalex at 8:37 PM on February 26


Note that Damon tried to trip him.
posted by brujita at 8:40 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I don't mind Kimmel to the extent that he lets me relax about my jokes that don't land.
posted by rhizome at 8:40 PM on February 26


Ha ha, I had seen tweets about Halle Berry's wig. It reminds me of the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons.
posted by rhizome at 8:41 PM on February 26


I want to see Man Called Ove, just because I loved the book!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:42 PM on February 26


Halle Berry's wig looks like it's on backwards.
posted by TwoStride at 8:43 PM on February 26


Maybe people like "City of Stars" because it requires so little of its singers that literally anyone can sing it.
posted by schroedinger at 8:44 PM on February 26


Is it really necessary for a song to be difficult for it to be good?
posted by Death and Gravity at 8:47 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Aww, that shot of Philip Seymore Hoffman....man, I miss him.
posted by Fizz at 8:48 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


No, but a song does have to be something to be good.
posted by schroedinger at 8:49 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Casey Affleck disgusts me.
posted by TwoStride at 8:51 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Ugggh fuck this guy.
posted by Etrigan at 8:51 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


The Academy will always fall for White Manpain, man.
posted by TwoStride at 8:53 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


When does he have to give Joaquin Phoenix his beard back?
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:53 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


I'm so pleased they've put best actress after best actor, as it's the better category this year. (And I'm pleased the retrospective includes Charlize Theron thanking her mom, hardcore.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:54 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Well, at least Mel Gibson didn't win.
posted by SisterHavana at 8:55 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Yet!
posted by lalex at 8:55 PM on February 26


Can I just say that I loved Florence Foster Jenkins?
posted by SisterHavana at 8:57 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Emma stone? That's fucking ridiculous.
posted by TwoStride at 8:58 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I can't help but love it that Emma Stone won....even though if Meryl won it would have been fun for Trump.

I know, I don't think La La Land is best ever, but I like her.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:58 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


It didn't look like even Meryl thought it was her best work.
posted by rhizome at 8:59 PM on February 26


I didn't like Jackie but Portman was fantastic. And Ruth Negga was a great dark horse contender.
posted by TwoStride at 8:59 PM on February 26


Oh, hush, Emma Stone was great, even if you didn't like La La Land.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:00 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I'm ready for this trend of white women wearing nude/white sparkly dresses to be over. Bring back the bright, dramatic dresses!
posted by gingerbeer at 9:01 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


(Agree Portman was great, although not Black Swan great, and Ruth Negga was fantastic but I think Loving was maybe not showy enough for the Oscars.)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:01 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


(I thought this was more impressive because Portman didn't have the "she did her own dancing!" bait going for her with this).
posted by TwoStride at 9:03 PM on February 26


In case anyone didn't know, Charlize Theron's father was abusive and when drunk attacked her mother with a shotgun; her mother shot him to death and Charlize saw it.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:06 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Twitter tells me Emma Stone is the first actress to win an Oscar while wearing a Planned Parenthood button, so I can get behind that.
posted by lalex at 9:08 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Quite the timpani drum roll!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:08 PM on February 26


eh
posted by rtha at 9:09 PM on February 26


"blue-eyed"
posted by rhizome at 9:10 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


SIGH.

(I have seen funny comments snarking that Emma Stone will count as the first Asian American actress to win (joke about the problematic Aloha))
posted by TwoStride at 9:11 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


ah ha ha i'm fucking dying
posted by rhizome at 9:11 PM on February 26


What the shit?
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:11 PM on February 26


WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:11 PM on February 26


WHAT. I can't.
posted by Justinian at 9:11 PM on February 26


HOLY SHIT!!!
posted by TwoStride at 9:12 PM on February 26


10/23 for me. Not my worst, but definitely not my best year of predictions.
posted by Fizz at 9:12 PM on February 26


OMG this has rescued the entire evening!!
posted by TwoStride at 9:12 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Wow...PLOT TWIST!
posted by SisterHavana at 9:12 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


OMG OMG OMG
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:12 PM on February 26


what!?
posted by figurant at 9:12 PM on February 26


How could that possibly happen.
posted by Justinian at 9:12 PM on February 26


WAIT WHAT OMG
posted by rtha at 9:13 PM on February 26


Was this a stunt?
posted by figurant at 9:13 PM on February 26


No, they wouldn't pull a stunt like that at the Oscars.
posted by Justinian at 9:13 PM on February 26


WHAT HAPPENED? I can't watch, I'm at work. Tell me!
posted by liquorice at 9:13 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Wait, what?
posted by Death and Gravity at 9:14 PM on February 26


Did Moonlight win or La La Land? GOOGLE CONFUSES ME
posted by liquorice at 9:14 PM on February 26


...directed by M. Night Shyamalan.
posted by rhizome at 9:14 PM on February 26 [16 favorites]


this is the only interesting thing that has ever happened at the Oscars
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:14 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?! I'M GLAD THOUGH.
posted by Fizz at 9:14 PM on February 26


not watching - what happened?
posted by LobsterMitten at 9:14 PM on February 26


I don't think it was a stunt, because of the way the guy gut cut off when someone was all, "no, we lost" as La La Land was talking.
posted by TwoStride at 9:14 PM on February 26


Warren Beatty announced that La La Land won. Moonlight really won.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:14 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


Apparently the best actress card was in the best picture envelope and the presenter, who was confused, read it, and Moonlight won! But La La Land was announced as the winner, and gave half their speech, before everyone was like "WAIT WE FUCKED UP"
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:14 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


What happened? Was this staged? Beatty's explanation didn't make any sense. Did he do this on purpose? Is he going senile?
posted by Sangermaine at 9:14 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Warren Beatty paused, Faye Dunaway read "LaLaLand", they got into their speech, and someone ran out and said No it's Moonlight.
posted by Etrigan at 9:15 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


IT IS VERY CONFUSING NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED LIVE TV AMIRITE
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:15 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


They announced La La Land as best picture, everyone got up and were giving the speech... and then BOOM HEADSHOT, it turns out it was a mistake and Moonlight actually won. Like... uh... that thing... at the Miss America? Or Miss Universe?
posted by Justinian at 9:15 PM on February 26


Everyone's standing around on stage being all, "wait, what?" Warren Beatty is all, "I saw Emma Stone's name...that's why I took so long to read it...." Awkwardness.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:15 PM on February 26


That's pretty great.
posted by LobsterMitten at 9:15 PM on February 26


How did they get Best Actress correct, then?
posted by rhizome at 9:15 PM on February 26


Drama!
posted by gingerbeer at 9:15 PM on February 26


They gave Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway the envelope for Best Actress, which said La La Land. But the actual winner was Moonlight!
posted by Huffy Puffy at 9:15 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Jimmy blames himself for this. Matt Damon whistled. "But we got to see some extra speeches...I knew I would screw this show up, I really did!" "I promise I'll never come back!"
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:16 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


The La La Land folks were extremely gracious, and so pleased for Moonlight, and Jimmy Kimmel did a really great job rescuing it live, I give props to everyone in the confusion.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:16 PM on February 26 [13 favorites]


> ...directed by M. Night Shyamalan.

Literally LOL'd and cackled and snorted
posted by rtha at 9:16 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


THAT WAS THE BEST SHITSHOW ENDING EVER!!!!!!!!!
posted by TwoStride at 9:16 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


I liked La La Land, but was really rooting for Moonlight. Such a weird ending of the ceremonies.
posted by Death and Gravity at 9:16 PM on February 26


That's pretty great.

I guess. It's fun as a viewer but the La La Land people must feel awful.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:17 PM on February 26


It's funny, because when they announced Warren and Faye I was all "that's pretty cool!" And then it seemed like they were both kinda doddering.
posted by rhizome at 9:18 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Insert Steve Harvey joke here.
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:18 PM on February 26


Overheard on Twitter: "OK now do that for the election."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:18 PM on February 26 [31 favorites]


Insert Steve Harvey joke here.

Kimmel beat you to it.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:19 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


or something about "but who won the most Electoral Votes"?
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:19 PM on February 26


I can't stand embarrassment comedy! I couldn't even watch it when I was younger. This is like the worst episode of embarrassment comedy ever.
posted by Justinian at 9:20 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


you guys I turned on a CSI Miami rerun and then this thread had 41 new comments what
posted by lalex at 9:20 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


why couldn't this have happened with the real election
posted by lalex at 9:21 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


Dear white dudes: when something is confusing you, it's ok to stop and ask for clarification and make sure you really have the correct information. Really, it is! Love, someone who hopes the White House gets this message ASAP.

But in this case that's exactly what happened, apparently: Beatty stopped in confusion looking at the card. It was Dunaway who chastised him, took the card, and read it.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:23 PM on February 26 [23 favorites]


Are people watching the aftermath on TV somewhere and if so what channel?
posted by lalex at 9:24 PM on February 26


yes, the Steve Harvey reference was so obvious, Kimmel had to do it...

the only thing that could (and probably will) be worse is Trump tweeting about it...
posted by oneswellfoop at 9:25 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


why couldn't this have happened with the real election

I'm thinking this is why everybody on all sides was so casually gracious about the whole thing. It was certainly embarrassing, but small potatoes compared with the madness that's actually happening on the world stage.
posted by xigxag at 9:27 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Both movies were extremely excellent and both deserved to win! I think the La La Land people knew Moonlight was a totally deserving winner. And vice versa.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:28 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


Imagine if this had gone the other way. I would be convinced that the septic rot of 2016 was spreading. No offense to La La Land — it's just that Moonlight is in the short list of greatest movies I've ever seen.
posted by argybarg at 9:30 PM on February 26 [8 favorites]


Ok, now that I've rewatched that satisfying moment at least 4 times, what really made me a bit teary was the reaction from some of the Black actors in the audience--Taraji Henson was filming it on her phone, and Samuel Jackson looked like was wiping away tears as he took pictures with his phone, too...
posted by TwoStride at 9:32 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


(It was Dunaway who chastised him... even greater shades of the recent election debacle, then)...
posted by TwoStride at 9:33 PM on February 26


They didn't bring the PwC auditors on stage this year. Next year they're going to be presenting for Best Picture.
posted by holgate at 9:35 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Well now we know what would've happened if Marissa Tomei *hadn't* actually won Best Supporting Actress that one year
posted by Lucinda at 9:35 PM on February 26 [10 favorites]


Me, I think the Oscars overreward depressing movies at the expense of comedies/musicals, so I'm glad that Moonlight won (clearly the best) but that La La Land also got recognized! I kinda think they should go Full Globes with a comedy/drama split, except they should call it "happy ending/sad ending" because it is totally not comedy/drama, it is totally happy vs sad ending. (Mark Watney survives Mars? IT'S A COMEDY.)

ANYWAY OMG WTF BBQ I am so glad I stayed up for this ending, it will be talked about for years! (And everyone was super-gracious! I am convinced you are all colleagues pulling for one another, Hollywood!)
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:36 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


"Just re-watched. Beatty looked for another card in the envelope. After Faye announced it you hear him whisper "It says Emma Stone." " — @SarahSpain
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:37 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Yeah, it's weird that all the coverage of the mix-up I'm seeing is blaming Beatty when it was Dunaway's mistake. Even Kimmel playfully chastised Beatty on stage.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:39 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I give Kimmel props for carrying it off well when it is like the worst live TV error possible. He is not my favorite dude but MAN HE HAS POISE.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:40 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Dunaway said the wrong thing, but if poor Warren had been faster on the uptake and just been all, "Hold up--I think this is from the wrong category" this still would've been awkward, but less heartbreaking.
posted by TwoStride at 9:40 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


I'm feeling empathy anxiety.
posted by liquorice at 9:41 PM on February 26 [5 favorites]


He stopped in confusion, and then the card was taken from him. Dunaway isn't a robot, she also could have stopped before reading the card out.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:44 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Sigh. Somehow I've found the part of twitter that is white people mad that La La Land had its Oscars "stolen" because of "PC Hollywood"
posted by TwoStride at 9:44 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


It's weird. When the mistake was first announced my impression was, "God damn you Beatty!" despite having just seen Dunaway making the (incorrect) announcement. Then I'm watching the news and the reporter is likewise (mistakenly) blaming Beatty for announcing La La Land. There's a just uploaded but doubtless soon to be blocked YouTube clip of Dunaway reading "La La Land" and even it has the caption, "Warren Beatty announces wrong Best Picture Winner for La La Land."

I didn't think it humanly possible but this is actually making me feel sorry for Warren Beatty.
posted by xigxag at 9:44 PM on February 26 [12 favorites]


The La La Land guy did more than anybody to handle the mistake. He stepped right the fuck up!
posted by rhizome at 9:44 PM on February 26 [24 favorites]


We have all totally forgotten wanting LMM to win his EGOT!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:45 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


I think the Oscars overreward depressing movies at the expense of comedies/musicals

Yes, but they also underreward SF and let them make do with FX awards. I think about Arrival and Gravity, both of which were SF films that weren't really about SF themes, and the difference was mostly the year: given the presence of a Hollywood self-celebration film and Moonlight, the Academy is always going to upvote things that chime with their lives, and in a way that's okay.

Yeah, it's weird that all the coverage of the mix-up I'm seeing is blaming Beatty when it was Dunaway's mistake.

It's the classic actor's dilemma when things go off-script: do you improvise your way out or do you break and seek help from the director? Except this wasn't a take.
posted by holgate at 9:46 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Warren Beatty hasn't had to think twice about making a terrible mistake like that for the current half of his life. He'll apologize or quip or something for Entertainment TMZ, I bet he takes an hour total including travel time to deal with it, and on he'll go with his great life. It's an awards show.
posted by rhizome at 9:47 PM on February 26




Can someone please explain the "Steve Harvey" thing to me, I don't get it at all.
posted by Sokka shot first at 9:48 PM on February 26


At least we can all agree that Meryl was definitely a big loser. Sad!
posted by gatorae at 9:48 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]



Can someone please explain the "Steve Harvey" thing to me, I don't get it at all.


He made a similar mistake when he was hosting the Miss Universe pageant last year.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:49 PM on February 26




Steve Harvey hosted a Miss America? Miss Universe? Show and announced the wrong winner.
posted by gingerbeer at 9:50 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


Can someone please explain the "Steve Harvey" thing to me

Yes.
posted by holgate at 9:50 PM on February 26


Steve Harvey accidentally announced the wrong Miss Universe.

Honestly the Oscars handled it a lot better, everyone was so gracious.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:51 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]


> The La La Land guy did more than anybody to handle the mistake. He stepped right the fuck up!

Totally. I thought for a minute that it was one of those "you guys are really the deserving nominees" things but when he said he wasn't joking, my heart felt both bad for them and so happy for the Moonlight crew.
posted by rtha at 9:52 PM on February 26 [8 favorites]


If this wasn't some weird stunt, some person or people lost their job(s) tonight.
posted by Sangermaine at 9:53 PM on February 26


@_sandrabarron blames Bad UX design (category in small type at the bottom of the card).
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:54 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


Well, but the back of the envelope said "Actress in a Leading Role".

How did no one notice they were handing the wrong envelope, which was also already open and unsealed? Is there just a big pile of envelopes and they toss the open ones back on?
posted by Sangermaine at 9:57 PM on February 26


Wait a minute.... where's Meredith?? /electionthreadjoke
posted by gatorae at 9:57 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


LOL: M. Night Shyamalan indeed taking credit for tonight's Oscars ending

I fucking tweeted that at him not two minutes after I posted it here. He better not be biting my style.
posted by rhizome at 9:59 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Wish Kimmel and Beatty would have cleared off stage sooner so the Moonlight crew could have the chance to celebrate their moment fully.
posted by moons in june at 9:59 PM on February 26 [4 favorites]


And he tweeted his two minutes after I tweeted at him. Not even a like!

The scales have fallen from my eyes, I see how Hollywood REALLY works now.
posted by rhizome at 10:01 PM on February 26 [7 favorites]


One of the trending topics on Twitter is the all-caps phrase "WHAT IS HAPPENING".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:02 PM on February 26 [8 favorites]


Why is it possible to "pick up the wrong envelope?!"
posted by rhizome at 10:03 PM on February 26


So are there multiple envelopes? Because Emma Stone, at the afterparty, was quite gracious in her praise for Moonlight, but totally threw Warren Beatty under the bus saying she had her envelope the entire time.
posted by TwoStride at 10:06 PM on February 26


Watching the clip on YouTube, I don't blame Beatty or Dunaway. He was given the card for Best Actress ("EMMA STONE - LA LA LAND"), and hesitated to read it out of sheer confusion, suspecting something was off but not sure how to handle it in the moment. Dunaway thought he was being overly dramatic for effect, so she grabbed the card and read the movie title herself to steal his thunder without noticing it had Stone's name, too.

(Personally, I blame Mr. Peanutbutter.)
posted by Rhaomi at 10:10 PM on February 26 [8 favorites]


From @JarettSays, apparently there are two complete sets of envelopes made, and brought separately to the awards just in case.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:10 PM on February 26


I love how the La La Land guy handled this! “Moonlight, you guys won Best Picture. No, this is not a joke.” “I’m gonna be really proud to hand this to my friends from Moonlight.”

To go from thinking you've won a Best Picture Oscar, which may only happen once in your life, to being that gracious and classy is really admirable.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:10 PM on February 26 [37 favorites]


Medium article from Feb. 10 — yes, there are two sets of envelopes, one with each of two PWC personnel.
We each have a full set. I have all 24 envelopes in my briefcase; Martha has all 24 in hers. We stand on opposite sides of the stage, right off-screen, for the entire evening, and we each hand the respective envelope to the presenter. It doesn’t sound very complicated, but you have to make sure you’re giving the presenter the right envelope.
(h/t @ev)
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:11 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


There are apparently two sets of envelopes for each category, one held by each of the PwC Guardians Of The Envelope:
The producers decide what the order of the awards will be. We each have a full set. I have all 24 envelopes in my briefcase; Martha has all 24 in hers. We stand on opposite sides of the stage, right off-screen, for the entire evening, and we each hand the respective envelope to the presenter. It doesn’t sound very complicated, but you have to make sure you’re giving the presenter the right envelope.
Um.
posted by holgate at 10:11 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Also, can you imagine the chaos surrounding all those Oscars betting pools? No big deal among friends, but I wonder how many online or brick-and-mortar places started paying out to La La Land bettors as the speeches were still going on.
posted by Rhaomi at 10:16 PM on February 26 [2 favorites]


The Clip of The Error
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:18 PM on February 26


Overheard on Twitter:

"Let's not give this moment any more press and focus on how a film about a gay man of color won Best Picture."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:19 PM on February 26 [15 favorites]


Maybe you have people who take the second of the current envelopes manually to the other side of the stage, they are put into a book or game show plexiglas envelope holder so both are visible, and then, most importantly, none of the old envelopes are on the entrance side of the stage.
posted by rhizome at 10:19 PM on February 26


I'd say "shred the spare envelope once the award's given out", but maybe the spare envelope is kept and given to the winners for multi-winner awards? Who knows?

Aaaanyway. I hated the tour bus thing, because it seemed really unfair on all sides. The Oscars ceremony is basically a set: actresses are taped awkwardly into their gowns, there's a tightly-defined set of reactions and interactions, and all the nominees are in a "we are acting" mindset, even if they're acting as themselves. If you're a veteran trouper like Denzel or Meryl who's been in the front row before, you have the chops to deal with the parallax shift, but it's a lot to ask, more than ought to be asked, especially of first-time nominees. Classic Kimmel arsehole move.
posted by holgate at 10:28 PM on February 26 [1 favorite]




So the weight-loss joke that I kinda liked? I probably liked because Tina Fey and Amy Poehler made it first.
posted by TwoStride at 10:39 PM on February 26 [3 favorites]


Off-screen feed shows "Moonlight" cast and crew finding out they actually won.


The reaction faces of the two actors (?) being interviewed are priceless.
posted by lalex at 10:41 PM on February 26


- See, acting is reacting
- Hey, Moonlight won!
- ):O
posted by holgate at 10:48 PM on February 26 [6 favorites]


'Moonlight' deserved all their wins, that's for sure.
posted by h00py at 12:38 AM on February 27


Oh, hell. When Dunaway announced La La Land, I turned off the TV. My Twitter feed this morning confused me.

For you non-Canadians, we have something called "simulcast" here, where a local Canadian station that is airing a show at the same time as an American station can override the American signal to play Canadian commercials. The local station controls when it takes over a signal, and when it releases it. My local station cut away from the Oscars to go to local news right before the Actor/Actress awards, and kept overriding the ABC feed for about five minutes until someone realized their mistake. Who knew it was foreshadowing?
posted by GhostintheMachine at 3:09 AM on February 27


Heh - speaking of overriding feeds, I was in a bar, and at about 9 am their TV hookup went momentarily insane and kept trying to switch to a BIG BANG THEORY rerun.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 3:54 AM on February 27


Aaaanyway. I hated the tour bus thing, because it seemed really unfair on all sides. [...] Classic Kimmel arsehole move.

As a friend of mine pointed out on Twitter - everyone on that tour bus seemed to have a new non-Apple phone, and had it out as soon as the doors were opened. This wasn't just a bad Kimmel bit that went on too long - it may have also been an overlong insulting Samsung product placement.
posted by Mchelly at 4:19 AM on February 27 [4 favorites]


I am so glad Moonlight won (and angry the team didn't get to experience a simple win). No other film even came close to it this year. I saw it months ago and still think about it all the time.
posted by sallybrown at 4:57 AM on February 27


OMG! Apparently--and there were jokes about this on Twitter after the Best Picture debacle--The Dead Person Montage Used the Photo of Someone Who is Still Alive.
posted by TwoStride at 5:05 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Also, there's been a mixup with pictures in the In Memoriam reel (NOT BILL PULLMAN).
posted by Huffy Puffy at 5:05 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


I still think Moana (or Kubo) should have won over Zootopia for Best Animated Film. Zootopia was enjoyable and ambitious, but convoluted while Moana was just a great film over all.
posted by drezdn at 5:28 AM on February 27


It's hilarious to see Beatty getting blamed for Dunway's overlyeager mistake.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:20 AM on February 27




Beatty's explanation in the moment was pretty damn good. He managed to take the blame without actually saying that he fucked up, because he didn't, really, he just didn't improvise quickly enough to prevent Dunaway from fucking up. And even her fuckup wasn't that horrible, because let's face it, was there anyone who was watching who didn't think Beatty was milking it for a laugh?
posted by Etrigan at 6:35 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


A bizarre moment. I knew I was watching something which will be remembered for a long, long time, but despite that, I was just annoyed that I still couldn't go to bed yet. Goddammit, Warren Beatty, quit dragging this out!
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:36 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Point of confusion: why would the Rolex commercial use a clip of A Shot In The Dark's watch synchronizing scene? Their watches stop. That's the base joke of the whole bit. Movie fans may know Pink Panther movies pretty well, Rolex. Harrumph.
posted by Capt. Renault at 6:46 AM on February 27


There are reaction shots going around of Meryl Streep making the most adorably flabbergasted faces after the mixup was revealed. But I'm hoping for closeups of Shirley MacClaine who looked like she was going to implode from being so mortified on everyone's behalf.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:59 AM on February 27


Oh wait, here we go: shots of both women's reactions in the same tweet.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:00 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


LATimes pic of front row during the kerfluffle

Note that The Rock knows a botch when he sees one and is thinking "Am I gonna have to do a run-in to salvage this ending?", while Meryl Streep looks like a nice suburban mom at her first male stripper revue. On the other side, David Oyelowo knows he's about to get blamed for this somehow.
posted by Etrigan at 7:09 AM on February 27 [18 favorites]


And Sting looks like he's already writing a shitty, adult contemporary song about this in his head.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:22 AM on February 27 [13 favorites]


"LATimes pic of front row during the kerfluffle"

And apparently Sting came with the ghost of Nancy Reagan. She looks great!
posted by sutt at 7:24 AM on February 27


I wonder if Shirley McClaine saw this coming.
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:27 AM on February 27 [7 favorites]


"LATimes pic of front row during the kerfluffle"

And Ben Afflect looks to Matt Damon for clues as to how he should react.
posted by sutt at 7:27 AM on February 27 [9 favorites]


Salma Hayek is making that face like you make when you see that someone has just shat themselves, before you have time to properly react to the mess, when you're just absorbing the radiating awkwardness and embarrassing secondhand.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:30 AM on February 27 [3 favorites]


Is there a reason David Oyelowo would be seated right in front of Mel Gibson, other than "racists gotta sit somewhere"?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:32 AM on February 27


To be fair, pretty much everyone in the bar where I was watching was also making those faces.

Heh - speaking of which, there were a few people,who left when LA LA LAND was announced, not even wanting to stay for the speech. I can only imagine what they thought when they found out.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:58 AM on February 27


I bet that dancer who hit Auli'i Cravalho in the head with a flag during her song and that montage editor who used a picture of a living woman in the In Memoriam reel were pretty stoked that the Best picture flub got them off the hook.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:05 AM on February 27 [14 favorites]


Insert Steve Harvey joke here.

Steve Harvey on Twitter: Good morning everybody! Went to sleep early last night. So... what I miss? #Oscars
posted by ZeusHumms at 8:05 AM on February 27 [5 favorites]


My favorite reaction shot is Ryan Gosling's.
posted by sallybrown at 8:07 AM on February 27 [7 favorites]


My favorite reaction shot is Ryan Gosling's.

What is that face?! It's like an evil genius smirking about his plan coming together.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:10 AM on February 27 [9 favorites]


I'm at work and can't find the link, but I saw a still of the "how do you like them apples" moment from GOOD WILL HUNTING, with the words "I switched the envelopes, Jimmy" photoshopped into the paper Matt Damon's holding.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:11 AM on February 27 [7 favorites]


My favorite reaction shot is Ryan Gosling's.

What is that face?! It's like an evil genius smirking about his plan coming together.


"Well, at least now no one's going to care that I just farted."
posted by Etrigan at 8:14 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Since ABC will have the Oscars telecast again next year does that mean there'll be the same host too? I don't want to see Kimmel hosting again ever, or at least not for many, many years. It's interesting that he credited David Letterman as his career inspiration because I think his Oscars hosting effort was about in the same league as Dave's. Get someone with more charisma, like Dwayne Johnson or Keegan-Michael Key.

Yay Moonlight!
posted by fuse theorem at 8:30 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


Since ABC will have the Oscars telecast again next year does that mean there'll be the same host too?

Doubtful. ABC has had it since 1976, and there hasn't been a consecutive-years host since Billy Crystal did 1997-98.
posted by Etrigan at 8:33 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Oooh, Dwayne Johnson would be charming. I'd also like to see Chris Pratt and Kate McKinnon share the duties!
posted by TwoStride at 8:47 AM on February 27 [7 favorites]


I feel like Janelle Monae's skin is so perfect, it looks like she somehow walks around in her own golden, glowing, angelic light. She'll be standing in a group of people in a candid photo and still look photoshopped, simply because it's mind-boggling how lovely she is.

She's a terrific actress and an overall titan of a talent, so I don't mean to reduce her to the one thing. I'm just saying she glows, is all.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:26 AM on February 27 [17 favorites]


And Sting looks like he's already writing a shitty, adult contemporary song about this in his head.

You’ll remember this, when the Moonlight won
In spite of Warren Beatty
You’ll forget the one with the dull jazz drone
'Cause it lost Best Picture gold
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:47 AM on February 27 [8 favorites]


Thinking about the entire production, it felt more like an (over) extended version of a late night show than recent years, and not in a good way: everything revolved around Kimmel and his ABC company white-guy comfort zone joke-appropriating schtick. Split the difference and have Johnson and McKinnon do the next one: a little bit wry amusement, a little bit screwball.
posted by holgate at 10:00 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]


Janelle Monae is from another, better planet of luminous super-beings.
posted by latkes at 10:06 AM on February 27 [12 favorites]


Janelle Monae is from another, better planet of luminous super-beings.

It's true. She gets tons of coverage on the fashion blogs, and is one of those stars who's always wearing something that would seem ludicrous on paper and look ridiculous on a mere mortal, but on her everything sings. (cf Tilda.)
posted by lalex at 10:13 AM on February 27 [1 favorite]




Kimmel's like some 50s Vegas comedian who hangs around the mob. And not even Rat Pack level, but B-list. "Celebs read mean tweets" is clever, but getting past the expiration date. And this is a guy who also thinks it's funny to get people to lie to their kids, video it and have him broadcast the younguns upset reaction. Dickish.

Even his intro of presenters McKinnon and Bateman struck me odd: "She spent much of last year dressed as Hillary Clinton. And so did he." Cos ha-ha men in drag? And his mocking "unusual" names sat well with a lot of people in my twitter feed.

(Speaking of that, I'd turned the b'cast off an hour before end. Then I checked into twitter later, right around the Best Pic snafu, and my timeline was just 15 "OMG" and "WUT?"s in a row.
CONTEXT PEOPLE.)

Re: future hosts, we seemed to have skimmed past the point of demand for Tina/Amy. (Ah, their Golden Globes stints were fab.) I adore Kate McK, but I'm not sure she's quite ready for prime time (see what I did there) by herself. But I can see what TwoStride suggested, her off-the-wallness paired with somebody else, not sure whom.

(Also, just wanted to brag that despite not having seen MOST stuff yet, I did well on the guesses, both "obscure" categories and the acting/writing/pic. My first Wrong checkmark of the evening was giving Arrival both sound awards - I'd known a war pic might also be big for that category.)
posted by NorthernLite at 11:49 AM on February 27 [2 favorites]


I'd say Key & Peele should host, as they would crush it. But I'm actually hoping Jordan Peele is a nominee next year.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 12:15 PM on February 27 [3 favorites]


Why can't nominees host?
posted by ZeusHumms at 12:22 PM on February 27


They can and have!
posted by lalex at 12:29 PM on February 27


Why can't nominees host?

I mean, I doubt there's a rule against it, but it would suck. They spend awards season getting campaigning for their role, not writing/rehearsing a telecast. And they have enough on their mind the night of without adding hosting responsibilities.
posted by TwoStride at 12:30 PM on February 27


Hmmmm. Maybe this explains why Franco and McFarlane were terrible. Or very probably not, but I think my points stand.
posted by TwoStride at 12:31 PM on February 27


Are awards presenters always preordained? Is Casey Affleck definitely going to present an Academy Award next year?
posted by ZeusHumms at 12:35 PM on February 27


There are some traditions (eg, previous year's Best Actress awards to this year year's Best Actor), but if someone doesn't want to do it, they're "shooting a film" and unfortunately unavailable to attend that day.
posted by TwoStride at 12:38 PM on February 27 [4 favorites]


we seemed to have skimmed past the point of demand for Tina/Amy. (Ah, their Golden Globes stints were fab.)

I believe they've also stated a lack of desire to host the Oscars, but I don't know if they've ever been asked or not.
posted by ZeusHumms at 12:45 PM on February 27


Kimmel's like some 50s Vegas comedian who hangs around the mob. And not even Rat Pack level, but B-list.

The whole buildup to the tourists on the bus thing had a 'Look at these losers' vibe which I found quite uncomfortable. Luckily, though, when they showed up and turned out to be real people who had minds of their own, it proved to be a charming, memorable success.

It could have been terrible -- the worst sort of Candid Camera shit -- but luckily people like Gary from Chicago turned it into a nice moment. I'm not sure how much credit Kimmel deserves for that -- the moment succeeded in spite of him.

Kimmel was good in that unscripted moment, and likewise in the fallout of the Best Picture mess. The rest of his stuff -- meh.
posted by Capt. Renault at 12:57 PM on February 27


I'll just leave this here: The Cast of Moonlight model Calvin Klein Underwear.
posted by TwoStride at 1:17 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]


My wife went to high-school with "Yulree-rhymes-with-Jewelery" from the bus full of tourists and can confirm that those folks were seemingly real and not in on any jokes - they were told that as part of the tour they had signed up for they would be seeing classic Oscar dresses hosted at an exhibit next to the site of the taping. They aren't close, so this is from her social media, but I guess its possible that it was a Samsung ad (like ellens selfie?). Gary from Chicago was pretty much everything - down to getting accused of (and being fine with) ignoring the white celebrities.
posted by Exceptional_Hubris at 1:28 PM on February 27 [7 favorites]


The very best thing about the Oscars was the 25 min. Hungarian live-action short Sing winning. See it if you can. The whole thing—every little thing about it—is great. It's about inclusivity and fairness, it's timely AF yet somewhat timeless, and that it's based on a real event makes it even better. I'm so happy it won!
posted by heyho at 5:27 PM on February 27 [4 favorites]


My wife went to high-school with "Yulree-rhymes-with-Jewelery" from the bus full of tourists and can confirm that those folks were seemingly real and not in on any jokes

Oddly, one of the other people is a friend-of-a-friend of mine as well, and her story is the same.
posted by Etrigan at 6:48 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]


That's hilarious. I almost want to watch it now to see if I know anybody.
posted by rhizome at 7:40 PM on February 27


I know Raphaela ; she and her husband also run the Stranger than Fiction series in NY and are on the advisory board of the Montclair NJ film festival.
posted by brujita at 9:30 PM on February 27 [1 favorite]




Somehow, Trump has found a way to make even this incident all about him.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:45 AM on February 28


Aw, and I saw something kinda sweet when I re-watched Justin Timberlake's performance yesterday -

At some point towards the end, right after he finished his segue into "Lovely Day" and was going back to "Can't Stop The Feeling", he moves down into the crowd with the rest of the dancers - and he makes a point of seeking out Jessica Biel in the crowd and dancing with her for a few seconds. Aw.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:12 PM on February 28 [1 favorite]


Gary from Chicago was fresh out of prison due to an anti-three-strikes law

posted by Etrigan 3 ½ hours ago [2 favorites +] [!]


OMG that little article was incredibly affecting. 20 years? Jesus. I know 3 strikes was bad but every time I"m confronted with the reality of it... It's like the Real America bumped up with the artifice so fucking acutely in the moment of Gary suddenly at the Oscars meeting movie stars. It's horrible and beautiful and terrible. I hope he got to meet Ava DuVernay...
posted by latkes at 1:37 PM on February 28 [1 favorite]


The Academy has spoken, and threw the PWC accountants under the tour bus, then reversed the bus back over them. To me, that seems a wee bit harsh: the production has been happy to run with a particular narrative for years -- oh look at the boring accountants who we trust with all the secrets in exchange for hanging out with the glamorous stars! -- and when the accountants fuck up, it's all "oh, the accountant guy was too busy taking photos of Emma Stone backstage!" Poor fuckers didn't even get introduced this year.
posted by holgate at 10:26 PM on March 1


Jimmy Kimmel was on Bill Simmons's podcast today. The tour bus people were given Samsung phones because Samsung Oscars sponsors, so they didn't want somebody on the broadcast taking pictures with a different phone. (They told them that they were testing a new phone, or something, and they put cases on them to look more realistic.)

They speculated that Gary from Chicago may have been taking so many pictures because he'd never held a cell phone before.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:44 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]


The very best thing about the Oscars was the 25 min. Hungarian live-action short Sing winning. See it if you can. The whole thing—every little thing about it—is great. It's about inclusivity and fairness, it's timely AF yet somewhat timeless, and that it's based on a real event makes it even better. I'm so happy it won!

That's awesome, heyho. I didn't catch that part of the ceremony and had no idea. My wife, kid, and in-laws all speak Hungarian, so we'll have to watch this ASAP. I found it here online, but FYI, it's not subtitled.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:25 AM on March 2 [1 favorite]


The Academy has spoken, and threw the PWC accountants under the tour bus, then reversed the bus back over them. To me, that seems a wee bit harsh

I disagree.

1) Cullinan was specifically instructed not to tweet during the ceremony. Cullinan was permitted to tweet up until he arrived to the red carpet – say, getting into the car with his secure briefcase. But once Cullinan was on site, he was asked to refrain from social media until the broadcast ended.

2) Once the mistake was made, Cullinan and Ruiz were the only people who knew immediately that the wrong movie was announced. They could have jumped in right away, and did not.

Per an interview with Gary Natoli, the Oscars stage manager, prior to the show, Cullinan asked him about the protocol if a wrong winner were announced. Natoli told Cullinan that if a wrong winner was announced, Cullinan "should immediately go out and rectify the situation, ideally before the wrong winners get to the mic.’" Despite that conversation, Cullinan and Ruiz "froze" when La La Land was announced. A full minute went by before Natoli was informed of the mistake, and the accountants had to be pushed onstage once Natoli & co. understood that the wrong winner had been announced.

3) In a meeting after the broadcast, a source says that "Academy president Cheryl Boone Isaacs and CEO Dawn Hudson were livid when reps for PwC didn't immediately take responsibility for the error, tried to suggest it was Beatty's fault and initially resisted putting out any kind of statement."

Assuming all of these accounts are true, I'd be just as angry with PWC as the Academy is, and I sure wouldn't trust Cullinan and Ruiz to handle a live television event ever again.
posted by creepygirl at 3:04 PM on March 2 [5 favorites]


Nah, I'm really happy that these folks just run an awards show and aren't responsible for something where actual lives are on the line. If anyone deserves to be fired, it's the bozo who thought it was a great idea to use tiny print on the envelopes and make all information on the cards look the same this year, despite them having used carefully designed envelopes and cards earlier. Accountants won't learn much from this, but it'll be part of design and typography training for decades.
posted by effbot at 5:17 PM on March 2 [3 favorites]


Holy hell, that LA Times article. The envelopes had prominent labels showing the category, specifically to prevent this kind of mistake.

Until this year.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 6:21 PM on March 2 [1 favorite]


creepygirl: we can agree to differ on this. I think the Academy got a lot of mileage over the years with "yuk yuk here are the boring businessers we trust with our glam award ceremony", and were happy to play on that and ramp up the narrative year on year, giving the accountants an ever-greater PR presence. Had there not been a fuckup, they would have let the tweeting stuff slide. They didn't bring them on stage this year; they created the conditions for a fuckup to happen by changing the envelope design; they threw them under the bus after the fact.

From a tech ops perspective -- because it was basically an ops failue -- the Academy could have run a blameless postmortem, but they didn't.
posted by holgate at 10:36 PM on March 2


I guess my issue is that card design is not the only way that an incorrect winner could be announced (the presenter could have a brain fart at the worst possible moment and say the wrong name even with the best card design in the world). I would want the people who know the real winner to be decisive in correcting errors, no matter what the source of the error is. Cullinan and Ruiz weren't.

It took Jordan Horowitz all of 30 seconds to absorb the situation and calmly and clearly explain it to the audience. And he had to deal with the emotional whiplash of we-won-no-we-didn't (unlike Cullinan and Ruiz). And it wasn't even his job (unlike Cullinan and Ruiz).
posted by creepygirl at 11:31 PM on March 2 [4 favorites]


I'm with creepygirl. I mentioned on the other thread how it reminded me of emergency management training. That only a relatively small percentage of people are naturally good at reacting quickly and decisively in an unexpected and stressful situation (Horowitz clearly being in that number), but that it's a skill you can learn by rehearsing your reactions. And it was their job, so they should have been rehearsing what they would do if someone got the winner wrong.

Now it may be that they did all the rehearsing and training possible, and just are that crap at it that they couldn't even learn the skill, but either way they fell down on the job and are clearly unsuited for it going forward.
posted by tavella at 9:47 AM on March 3


At last, a new Oscars cliche: ‘I’d like to blame all the little people …’: "The Academy found the mix-up humiliating; the truth is, it’s been the reaction of all the key players afterwards – the Academy, the celebrities, the media – that has been embarrassing. To err is human, to kick people in the face to salvage the egos of the beautiful folk – well, that’s Hollywood."

I'd also recommend the fault finders in this thread to read up on how professionals do accident investigations and industrial incident post-mortems, because the "find faults, ignore the root causes" approach is totally backwards.
posted by effbot at 10:02 PM on March 3


I'd also recommend the fault finders in this thread to read up on how professionals do accident investigations and industrial incident post-mortems, because the "find faults, ignore the root causes" approach is totally backwards.

It's backwards if you want to find the actual root cause, but it's near-universal anyway because it lets you blame someone and move on without working too hard or blaming yourself.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 7:26 AM on March 4


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