Killjoys: The Wolf You Feed
August 11, 2017 7:59 PM - Season 3, Episode 7 - Subscribe
Desperate for an advantage, Dutch goes AWOL and risks a dangerous procedure that connects her to Aneela's memories.
Aaaah, I should have read the TV Junkies link before posting :-)
I was really interested in exploring that dual identity conflict, but I wanted to do it through something deeper and messier emotionally than a clone or twin. Science fiction provided me the option of doing it in a fresh new (if slightly bonkers) way. Dutch isn’t a separate, cold genetic copy of Aneela – she *is* Aneela… but after being put through the blender of entirely different life experiences she’s also entirely her own person.
posted by Pendragon at 6:29 AM on August 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
I was really interested in exploring that dual identity conflict, but I wanted to do it through something deeper and messier emotionally than a clone or twin. Science fiction provided me the option of doing it in a fresh new (if slightly bonkers) way. Dutch isn’t a separate, cold genetic copy of Aneela – she *is* Aneela… but after being put through the blender of entirely different life experiences she’s also entirely her own person.
posted by Pendragon at 6:29 AM on August 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
Whuttt? I'm not sure which is more shocking: Dutch's birth or her giving the army to D'av. So much to process here. Aneela creating her own Green, year after year. Turin going bad, D'av stepping up and making things right, Turin actually being arrested, Gared and the puppies, Zeph doing her thing. The little girl was adorable and gorgeous.
Aneela is just so well-written, it's great. By herself, sans any friends, a husband, or servants, she manages a child and escape. Later, she gets an army and ships and destroys her enemies while pitting her advisors against each other. This is how a queen or princess should act. Other female characters, in a similar situation, would probably not do as well.
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 10:31 PM on August 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
Aneela is just so well-written, it's great. By herself, sans any friends, a husband, or servants, she manages a child and escape. Later, she gets an army and ships and destroys her enemies while pitting her advisors against each other. This is how a queen or princess should act. Other female characters, in a similar situation, would probably not do as well.
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 10:31 PM on August 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
I don't think I've ever seen a character origin like Yalla's. A character bringing her younger self into being from memories is an amazing idea, very mythical. It's rare that TV or movies surprise me anymore, but that did. Nice job, show! And great casting for young Aneela/Yalla. I did not expect Turin to go full bad. I hope Fancy continues to get screen time. They're pivoting his character a bit, but I'm interested to see where he goes. Wow, they sure got a lot done in this episode. Reflecting on it I keep thinking "Wait... did we watch two episodes last night?" because so much happened!
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 7:58 AM on August 13, 2017
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 7:58 AM on August 13, 2017
I understand Turin going "bad" - he's seen 3 of his huge bases destroyed in front of him by the Hullen, and to have people he trusted taken over in disguise attack, then suddenly turned into allies - I get his paranoia and fear. He needed to leap and he flinched.
Angela's bleeding into the box (coffin!) of green was glorious - the ay she used stories and memories to make her path out. And the suggestion that she isn't like other Hullen because post-possession, she still feels intensely and has emotional loss and connections. And her emotions managed to get through to her father who in turn affected other Hullen (Fancy shouldn't have been loyal as a Hullen!)
It's such a Good Little Show, I want to feed it candy and cover it in kisses. Plus all the snappy banter (Lucy! Puppies!)
posted by dorothyisunderwood at 8:14 AM on August 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Angela's bleeding into the box (coffin!) of green was glorious - the ay she used stories and memories to make her path out. And the suggestion that she isn't like other Hullen because post-possession, she still feels intensely and has emotional loss and connections. And her emotions managed to get through to her father who in turn affected other Hullen (Fancy shouldn't have been loyal as a Hullen!)
It's such a Good Little Show, I want to feed it candy and cover it in kisses. Plus all the snappy banter (Lucy! Puppies!)
posted by dorothyisunderwood at 8:14 AM on August 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
And we now know D'Avin is not a tit-whisperer.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 9:45 PM on August 13, 2017
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 9:45 PM on August 13, 2017
Shouldn't young Dutch (and by extension old Dutch--which makes her sound like a cleaning product) have at least some of Aneela's memories, especially those of her father, Khlyen?
Aneela said the child is what she would have been if they had remained on Arken and had different life experiences. Well if she remembers Arken, and she remembers Khlyen (there was that line about how Aneela revisited her Arken-era memories over and over again) then it only makes sense that young Dutch/Yalla would as well. Being with Khlyen defined Aneela's early life, so therefore by extension it should have defined her offspring's as well. Khlyen shouldn't be a stranger to Yalla.
posted by sardonyx at 8:26 PM on August 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Aneela said the child is what she would have been if they had remained on Arken and had different life experiences. Well if she remembers Arken, and she remembers Khlyen (there was that line about how Aneela revisited her Arken-era memories over and over again) then it only makes sense that young Dutch/Yalla would as well. Being with Khlyen defined Aneela's early life, so therefore by extension it should have defined her offspring's as well. Khlyen shouldn't be a stranger to Yalla.
posted by sardonyx at 8:26 PM on August 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Birth-by-memory aside, Aneela is a clone. Clones don't inherit memories from their original.
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 5:50 PM on August 15, 2017
posted by jojo and the benjamins at 5:50 PM on August 15, 2017
I think jojo means Yalla, but even so, I don't think Yalla is supposed to be a blank, empty clone. Aneela told Khlyen that she can take memories out of the green. She said Yalla is the version of her that remained on Arken. By extension that means Yalla/young Dutch should have at least some of Aneela's childhood memories, otherwise she'd just be a blank slate, and not her parallel good-wolf version.
posted by sardonyx at 7:45 AM on August 16, 2017
posted by sardonyx at 7:45 AM on August 16, 2017
That's a good point. I was going to say maybe Khlyen removed some of Yalla's memories and put them in a box somewhere, but even if that were so she would have recognized him when she first met him, when she was a child.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 7:56 AM on August 16, 2017
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 7:56 AM on August 16, 2017
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posted by Pendragon at 6:27 AM on August 12, 2017