Deadpool 2 (2018)
May 18, 2018 7:51 AM - Subscribe

After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry's hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice for life, as well as a flux capacitor, Wade must battle ninjas, the Yakuza, and a pack of sexually aggressive canines, as he journeys around the world to discover the importance of family, friendship, and flavor - finding a new taste for adventure and earning the coveted coffee mug title of World's Best Lover.
posted by Brandon Blatcher (93 comments total) 7 users marked this as a favorite
 
If you enjoyed the first one, you'll get a kick out of the sequel. This second one is more ambition in terms of plot and characterization, to its credit, but doesn't always hit the mark. But when it does, the film is on fire and you'll laugh like crazy.

Overall, Reynolds has clearly grown into the role, there's a certain ease that's on display as various gags, laughs and fourth wall breaking are pushed to the limit and sometimes slightly beyond. The latter shtick is where things usually don't quite land, DP becoming overly obnoxious and little too wink wink nudge nudge.

But it's Deadpool, so there's a certain amount of that you're gonna be served anyway. It's like a buffet, you may not like every little bit, but there's enough there that you'll enjoy something.

There's only one stinger, shortly after the credits, so no need to stay to the very end.

Minor note, don't try to outhink the movie in the sense of you know where its going. There's underlying theme of child abuse and revenge that doesn't always zig when in the direction, and it's good thing, in the end, IMO.

My biggest complaint is that there isn't more Domino, though she does have several notable scenes. But I'm already thinking she should get her own solo film, as should Negasonic and her girlfriend. Those characters are a helluva lot of fun.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:26 AM on May 18, 2018 [4 favorites]


Saw it the other day, and, yeah, had a pretty great time. There's definitely enough jokes that for any ones that didn't land for me, there were three more that did. That jab at Rob liefeld not being able to draw feet absolutely killed me, not because it was super clever, but because I wasn't expecting them to go there - wasn't the guy involved in some of the marketing for the film?

That death scene was also pretty top notch. My main issue with the movie is that the entire plot is basically driven by not one, but two gratuitous fridgings, played completely straight. I mean, cable's family don't even get names, let alone lines! And for a film series that makes so much meat out of its snarky fourth-wall breaking metacommentary, we don't hear a peep about what a lazy cliche this shit is from Mr. Pool.
And it's not like there isn't plenty of pathos in the plot anyway! And what was the deal with those weird afterlife bits? Time travel residue?
posted by Berreggnog at 12:36 PM on May 18, 2018 [7 favorites]


I did think it was predictable, but it was still plenty fun. And there wasn’t enough Domino. She could definitely carry her own movie.
posted by Monochrome at 12:41 PM on May 18, 2018 [5 favorites]


Canon queer characters and defiantly flipping off Women In Refrigerators?! BESTILL MY HEART ❤️
posted by nicebookrack at 1:44 PM on May 18, 2018 [6 favorites]


I'm mildly annoyed they Negasonic Teenage Warhead* and Yukio weren't used for much more than cameos AND I'm incredibly amused that every time they show it's to be non-objectified 100% Actual Girlfriends as blatantly as possible. "HELLO, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE QUEER, WE'RE CANON"

Just color me pleasantly surprised that Cable telling Deadpool he reminds Nate of his wife and Vanessa telling Wade not to fuck Colossus were not the queerest sub/text scenes in the movie.

Fox's X-Films had the first non-dead openly gay heroic couple in a superhero movie! Your move, DCEU and MCU/Disney!

*whose name must be written out in full every time‼
posted by nicebookrack at 2:47 PM on May 18, 2018 [5 favorites]


I overlooked the criminal underusage of Terry Crews and Rob Delaney based on the genuinely good time I had watching the movie. I thought the first third was a lot of what I was expecting, but the last two-thirds exceeded expectations.

My biggest complaint is that there isn't more Domino, though she does have several notable scenes. But I'm already thinking she should get her own solo film, as should Negasonic and her girlfriend.

PLEASE
or just more of them please
posted by memento maury at 4:20 PM on May 18, 2018 [4 favorites]


So -- despite the "death" of Vanessa in the first act (I mean, we know right away Cable is a time traveler, so...) -- I felt like the original had real pathos behind the jokes that this one just... doesn't. This one's for the kids. But I still really enjoyed it. Domino is gold.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:55 PM on May 18, 2018 [2 favorites]


I haven't seen this movie yet but I'm wondering: what kind of juice does Josh Brolin have to be in this and Avengers Infinity War, and not to be playing the same character? He must have one of the best agents in Hollywood.
posted by fuse theorem at 7:04 PM on May 18, 2018


Just saw it. It was fun but probably not as fun or at least not as novel as the first one.
posted by octothorpe at 7:54 PM on May 18, 2018 [2 favorites]


what kind of juice does Josh Brolin have to be in this and Avengers Infinity War

He has a really serious scowl. I mean, heavy duty.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:18 PM on May 18, 2018 [5 favorites]


I had a great time watching this movie. The soundtrack was top notch and Julian Dennison was excellent; I'm so glad he didn't have to change his accent. Also, I'll take all the Rob Delaney I can get.
posted by h00py at 6:58 AM on May 19, 2018


The fridging bothered me, a lot, even if it was (maybe) reversed in the stinger.

That said, a film about Domino could be amazing, if she were ever able to get into a situation where a film could happen.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 8:34 AM on May 19, 2018 [1 favorite]


There's only one stinger, shortly after the credits, so no need to stay to the very end.

Yeah, but if you DO stay to the very end you get treated to a better hearing of the choir chanting about Juggernaut, which is quite amusing.
posted by dnash at 10:11 AM on May 19, 2018 [20 favorites]


> "If you enjoyed the first one, you'll get a kick out of the sequel."

OK, but my problem is, almost every single review I've read have said exactly this, and NONE of them have told me if I'll like it if I didn't much like the first movie. I guess it's assumed that I wouldn't, but I thought the problem I had with the first movie was correctable, so I was kind of hoping?

Because I thought the first one was a comedy with some decent jokes which was drowned by being tied to the anchor of an utterly, utterly cliche and predictable tortured tragic antihero superhero story complete with damseled girlfriend (ugh) and tedious revenge plot.

Does this one avoid that kind of thing? I have to say, reading the comments above that Vanessa gets fridged (for at least the duration of the movie, apparently?) isn't making me feel optimistic.
posted by kyrademon at 6:07 PM on May 19, 2018


Wait, aren’t there five post-credit scenes? I haven’t seen the movie, but this article (spoilers) and Wikipedia seems to think so. Or do you folks mean a literal “after the credits are over” scene?
posted by Ian A.T. at 6:19 PM on May 19, 2018


So I assumed that the X-Squad characters were all made up for this movies since they were all so lame but Wikipedia tells me that most of them are from the comics.
posted by octothorpe at 7:25 PM on May 19, 2018


Ian, those were all in one stinger, following a particular arc, so yeah, one stinger.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:49 PM on May 19, 2018 [1 favorite]


I read somewhere that there was another post credit sequence where Deadpool goes back in time to kill baby Hitler but after the previews they decided that they didn't want to finish the movie with infanticide.
posted by octothorpe at 7:55 PM on May 19, 2018 [1 favorite]


Good call.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:43 PM on May 19, 2018


I've got to say that whoever was in charge of the marketing campaign for this movie deserves All The Awards.
posted by kyrademon at 4:28 AM on May 20, 2018


My only major objection was Vanessa's fridging, for numerous reasons: that it was a fridging (Gail Simone, the original creator of Women in Refrigerators, also did a memorable run on Deadpool in the comics, and is also writing a Domino miniseries right now that features Wade); that Vanessa had been set up to have some kind of powers in the first movie by being stuck in one of those transformation thingies near the end of DP1, but whoops, apparently not (her comics counterpart is a mutant shapeshifter named Copycat; I spent at least part of the movie wondering if she was going to be revealed as one of the other characters); the scene itself, which is set up badly (Wade just having been shown mowing down numerous groups of heavily-armed thugs with his usual peerless acrobatic coordination, culminating in his doing the same on his home turf with the knife block, only to have that one guy one-shot Vanessa); and the resolution, in the stinger scene, using the reset button after Wade wanting to join Vanessa has been the emotional heart of the whole movie. Maybe the whole thing was meant as one long pisstake on both retcons/reset buttons and fridging, but that still smacks of having-your-cake-and-eating-it-tooism.

Regardless, I still had fun. (Even the stinger scene, with its bits of retconning away Schmeadpool and Reynolds' Green Lantern movie, was funny.) Brolin made for a great Cable, a character that I've never really liked, and an effective counterpoint to Wade; I'd bet that the producers of this movie were just kicking themselves that Infinity War came out too soon before this for Reynolds to loop in a few lines about Thanos. Domino was great, and I totally agree about the solo movie spin-off; maybe Simone can get involved in that. I too wanted more of Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio, but at least they got to give Juggernaut what-for. The School for Bad Mutant Kids and its Not-Xavier head were suitably creepy, and the blink-and-you'll-miss-it X-Men cameo was funny. And I even liked the afterlife scenes, which is one of the reasons why I didn't like them being retconned away.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:09 AM on May 20, 2018 [2 favorites]


Not as good as the first movie, but still a good time. Funny, good fight scenes, Cable was good, Domino was great, and I was shocked to see a blockbuster action movie where the second-biggest character arc belongs to Rusty freakin' Collins. That's right, not only are the X-Force losers established characters, Russell was too. He was the first random mutant orphan adopted by an X-team in the course of a mission, before that turned into a rote way of introducing new members of the team.

Definitely not a fan of Vanessa getting fridged (I was so happy she was in the trailers, because I figured that meant she wasn't getting pushed aside like origin-story love interests so often do), to the point where I'll take her resurrection by whatever means they care to accomplish it, but it does drag the movie down. I did at least appreciate that he wasn't DRIVEN BY REVEEEEEENGE, which feels like damning with faint praise but I'll take what I can get. Apropos of which, if that post-credits scene wasn't canon I'mma be pissed.

My other complaint is the X-Force bit. It takes too long, but it's also just unpleasantly mean-spirited -- there's no other gag in either movie where innocent people die as a joke. It's always either Deadpool, who (a) gets better and (b) deserves it, a supervillain, or an evil henchman. It took me a while to get back into the flow of the story after that.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:39 PM on May 20, 2018 [3 favorites]


Brad Pitt was my favorite cameo
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:21 PM on May 20, 2018 [11 favorites]


The ridiculous X-Force deaths got almost the biggest laughs in the movie from me (the shirtcocking scene is fantastic), but that sequence does point to why I at least found this movie so much weaker than the original. In that one, you had stuff you clearly were meant to take seriously (Wade's cancer and his relationship with Vanessa) and stuff that in another film might have been serious, but here was clearly a joke (mass murder). In this one, it felt like everything was a joke. The main titles make a joke out of our reaction to Vanessa's death, and from there it's pretty clear we're not meant to take anything all that seriously. As the kids would say, "It's not that deep." Which is fine, but it basically means the film is playing for much lower stakes than its predecessor.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 2:32 PM on May 20, 2018 [3 favorites]


I actually found this movie gave me less "Reddit, the movie" vibes than the first one did, and I was < thisclose > to saying fuckit, let's just see this one when it comes out on cable at home.

And I really don't have any kind of religion anymore except supporting comic book fandom at the movies. Just like Easter and Christmas get butts reliably in seats at church, just about any graphic novel (always Marvel, sometimes DC and nearly every indie) gets me into theaters on opening weekend.

I'm super here for more NTW and Yukio, felt sad that most X-Force characters died quickly and hated Vanessa's fridging. But part of me also says that having a non-powered GF/wife just turns her into a pawn to control Wade's actions, since he can't personally be harmed (much).

Am I the only person a bit squicked out watching TJ Miller in this for a variety of reasons? I had that "whoa, I knew this was coming and I'm still uncomfortable" feeling when he was on-screen, like you feel watching the last movie a now-dead actor filmed. His presence and meta-jokes were very, uh, Reddit-y for me. In a Not Good Way.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 3:27 PM on May 20, 2018 [3 favorites]


Am I the only person a bit squicked out watching TJ Miller in this for a variety of reasons?

Not at all the only one. If they had to fridge someone...
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:31 PM on May 20, 2018 [6 favorites]


To the "if you liked/hated the first, you'll like/hate this one," I'll say that I hated the first Deadpool. It was sub Rick and Morty levels of self satisfied Internet tinged humor. Less "Reddit the Movie" and more "The Chive The Movie". It tried to play it both ways with its completely fucking laughably awful attempt at emotional storytelling with Wade's origin. It was also ugly as sin, and looked like a fucking TV show with inane fight choreography. I saw this one because a person I'm seeing wanted to see it, so I decided to give the franchise another try.

I thought this was had most of the same problems, but it at least had some decent fights and looked nice. It didn't feel as complete a waste of time as the first one was, but if you had less than positive feelings about the first, I don't think that this one has all that much more to offer you.

I dunno, I just straight up do not understand what people see in this series, but this one seems like it does whatever that is a little bit better.
posted by codacorolla at 7:21 PM on May 20, 2018


If you haven't seen the music video already: Céline Dion - Ashes
This is peak Canadian ridiculousness AND this is actually a great song, used perfectly in the film, and it will deserve the Oscar nomination.
posted by nicebookrack at 9:06 PM on May 20, 2018 [2 favorites]




I think I mostly agree with everyone else: I hate fridging (plus Vanessa is awesome) but was glad they undid it, even if I had to sit with that for most of two hours and would have liked more Negasonic and uh, Terry Crews's character whose name I just forgot. Domino was awesome and I think she does have the best superpower.

Also glad TJ Miller is out in the future and when on screen I was all, "wait, wasn't that the fuckhead who...."

The thing I like about Deadpool flicks is how they play with everything: tropes, audience, jokes, etc. I loved the 007-ish credits. And the Celine and the other song ("O Holy Shitballs," I'm calling it). How Deadpool goes back and forth between "you can't even blow him up or rip him in two and he still lives" and "with that collar on he's back to dying of cancer." (Lord, the legs scene.) And Cable and Deadpool teaming up was actually kinda sweet. And the whole Russell thing was kinda sweet. And the use of music was great. 9 to 5? O Holy Shitballs? If I Could Turn Back Time? All choice.

That said: still liked the first one better because it had more Vanessa and NTW. I would have liked it less had the fridging stuck, though, that is a huge point against it.

"In this one, it felt like everything was a joke. The main titles make a joke out of our reaction to Vanessa's death, and from there it's pretty clear we're not meant to take anything all that seriously. As the kids would say, "It's not that deep." Which is fine, but it basically means the film is playing for much lower stakes than its predecessor."

Yeah, I think that is what Deadpool is all about though. It's a comedy with themes of death/mayhem/slaughter/gross sex stuff/what have you, it's not about really saving the world. Which is a bit refreshing since most superhero movies are about saving the world with some funny bits thrown in.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:42 PM on May 20, 2018 [5 favorites]


I really want the sheet music to O Holy Shitballs. My group is only 8 voices, but I think we could do it.
posted by blurker at 10:40 AM on May 21, 2018 [5 favorites]


Wow I guess my friends and I watched a different movie? It was hilarious and we all had a great time. Most of the jokes connected with the audience in the theater, I think most of us died at the baby legs scene. I came in expecting a bunch of jokes and was not let down. It also helped that I watched the Korean appearance Reynolds had that was linked in the FPP, so the "Tomorrow" song had a good effect for me.

It played with all the tropes and did it well, and balanced Deadpool as an obvious joke about everything vs Cable, who was serious about everything, while both faced the same tragedy. The fridging was even acknowledged in the opening credits, which made me laugh, because no other movie would call themselves out. It led to really great afterlife scenes that reminds you that Reynolds and Baccarin can actually act. In the end both Vanessa and Cable's family are alive, and that's actually canon now. And speaking of fridging, I was more concerned that they were using child abuse as a plot point, because that's what I find cliche in light of recent events. I would've been fine with Cable killing that kid, because there were plenty of kids there with powers and they didn't go psycho. But having Deadpool sacrificing for him and then Cable doing the same for Deadpool is a better story to tell. And in movie world, it's less morally objectionable to kill child abusers/molesters.

I really want the sheet music to O Holy Shitballs.
Couldn't find that, but here's a youtube audio video with lyrics!

what kind of juice does Josh Brolin have to be in this and Avengers Infinity War
I loved that DP called Cable "Thanos" a few times in the movie

I also await anxiously for a Domino movie.
posted by numaner at 12:23 PM on May 21, 2018 [2 favorites]


The Peter movie is the one that's really gonna leave a mark.
posted by Etrigan at 1:56 PM on May 21, 2018 [6 favorites]


Cable, who was serious about everything

including his hatred of dubstep!!
posted by nicebookrack at 2:08 PM on May 21, 2018 [3 favorites]


and then they played dubstep twice in two different battles between them. that was great!
posted by numaner at 2:16 PM on May 21, 2018 [2 favorites]


one weird point for me was that because I actually really really like "Ashes", it was very noticeable for me when they used the piano intro in a few other scenes, and that distracted me from the dialog. I have to watch the movie again to catch some stuff I missed. But that was hilariously annoying to me.
posted by numaner at 2:23 PM on May 21, 2018 [1 favorite]


oh oh oh! sorry for all the posts but I'm remembering random things now that I'm sitting here listening to songs from the movie. One of my favorite bits is when they used the unplugged version of Take On Me and she's reaching through the veil to pull him in when he supposedly died, mirroring the video of the original song
posted by numaner at 2:33 PM on May 21, 2018 [10 favorites]


On Deadpool 2 and the “Art” of Fridging

Best end line: "Please. For all our sakes. Just let women exist."
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:55 PM on May 21, 2018 [7 favorites]


Killing baby Hitler wiuld have been bleak. Kidnapping baby Hitler would have been hilarious, though.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 7:42 PM on May 21, 2018 [2 favorites]


In the sequel they can kidnap baby Cable.
posted by nicebookrack at 7:49 PM on May 21, 2018 [3 favorites]


Wait, what? Did my version of the movie skip something? There was the mid credit scene where Deadpool gave the device to the girls to fix. And then there was the gag reel. Was there a scene where he saved a Vanessa and I didn’t see it??? What in the ass?
posted by greermahoney at 10:39 PM on May 21, 2018 [1 favorite]


I have now confirmed with a second person at a different showing that they saw the time travel device scene with NTW and Yukio, plus the peter, wolverine, and green lantern scenes, but no saving Vanessa scene.
posted by greermahoney at 10:55 PM on May 21, 2018 [1 favorite]


Great movie, had a lot of fun. NTW and Yukio should have had more scenes. Would love a solo Domino movie.

So, is Vanessa Death ?
posted by Pendragon at 12:34 AM on May 22, 2018


Why would Vanessa be Death?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:07 AM on May 22, 2018


Why would Vanessa be Death?

Biggest Unanswered Questions In Deadpool 2
posted by Pendragon at 6:01 AM on May 22, 2018 [2 favorites]


I have now confirmed with a second person at a different showing that they saw the time travel device scene with NTW and Yukio, plus the peter, wolverine, and green lantern scenes, but no saving Vanessa scene.

Okay, that's bizarre. In the cut I watched the first credits scene was Yukio and NSTW finishing up their repair of the time travel gizmo, and then giving it to Wade. He appears in the apartment during the shooting scene, tells Vanessa "good thing you sharpened the cream cheese spreader," and throws it at the last bad guy, stabbing him right through the forehead, before quipping something and teleporting away.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:40 AM on May 22, 2018


> He appears in the apartment during the shooting scene, tells Vanessa "good thing you sharpened the cream cheese spreader," and throws it at the last bad guy, stabbing him right through the forehead

I'll confirm that this is exactly what I saw as well.
posted by komara at 11:52 AM on May 22, 2018 [1 favorite]


yeah that was the first place he went with the time travel device. mine did not have a gag reel/outtakes.
posted by numaner at 12:16 PM on May 22, 2018


Ditto -- saves Vanessa, no gag reel.

Also, I know I'm putting too much thought into this, but why does the time gizmo transport Cable's body the first time it's used, then only his (or Deadpool's) mind/memories after that?
posted by Etrigan at 12:23 PM on May 22, 2018


Maybe if you go back to a timeline you lived in, it put you in your body that exists then. If you've never been there it takes your body with it. As far as going back to a future that's a different timeline, I'm not sure.
posted by numaner at 12:53 PM on May 22, 2018




Sorry, I was calling it a gag reel because absent the Vanessa scene, it didn’t seem like a time travel montage. All we saw was him yelling to Peter, which looked like a joke, and the 2 jokey killing Deadpool from wolverine and and Ryan Reynolds gl scene. Now, had I seen him save Vanessa first, it would have made more sense as time travel scenes.

This is utterly bizarre.
posted by greermahoney at 2:52 PM on May 22, 2018 [2 favorites]


It sounds like they must have been recutting the film right down to the wire, and one or two unfinished prints made it out into the wild. I saw the version with Deadpool saving Vanessa at the end. But I did feel like there was a weird story leap where Cable just suddenly had TJ Miller's character captured, with no explanation of how that happened. It felt to me like a scene had been cut -- one that, I would imagine, featured a lot of TJ Miller (perhaps not a selling point), and was not considered terribly important to the plot.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:00 PM on May 23, 2018


kyrademon: I thought the problem I had with the first movie was correctable, so I was kind of hoping?

There's still the tragic, tortured anti-hero stuff (some of that I think is inherent to the character, but I don't know enough of the comics to say that with any certainty), but instead of focusing on revenge, this movie is all about family. Sort of. DP is driven to save a kid, so that's a positive change from driven by revenge, but that desire to save the kid is because of Vanessa's (un?) death.

It's still a Deadpool movie, so if you like a mix of crass and goofy humor, breaking the 4th wall and mocking other comic book characters and tropes, it's still fun. If that's not your bag, this (still) isn't for you.

Co-signing the want for a Domino movie, and a Negasonic Teenage Warhead + Yukio movie, or if that's too much to ask for, one movie that focuses on the three of them. If you're flipping tropes, why stop at making everything about dudes fighting? Tell the stories of the women, who have (relatively) limited roles here? (Domino got a good bit of focus, but that was a minor detour in the larger story.)
posted by filthy light thief at 12:28 PM on May 23, 2018 [2 favorites]


Partially because Colossus is my very favorite X-Man, I remember being deeply upset that X-Men: The Last Stand included both Colossus and Juggernaut as featured characters and did not have even a brief sequence of the heavies trading haymakers. It seemed like such a waste!

So if nothing else this movie scratched a 12-year-old itch. I think it says a lot about why these movies work so well that Colossus is more accurately and lovingly portrayed in a parody of superhero movies than he was in the more sincere effort.

I agree that the treatment of Vanessa was disappointing. I get what they were going for, they tried to give it an interesting twist, and they undid it in the end, but all the same I don't think it quite worked well enough to overcome the tiresome cliche, and was a waste of a good character.

Shatterstar as well, because that dude is a metacomedy goldmine, but maybe a bit of a deep cut these days?
posted by Phobos the Space Potato at 12:43 PM on May 23, 2018 [2 favorites]


So if nothing else this movie scratched a 12-year-old itch. I think it says a lot about why these movies work so well that Colossus is more accurately and lovingly portrayed in a parody of superhero movies than he was in the more sincere effort.

Juggernaut too! After X3 I figured he was a lost cause, and then along comes this movie showcasing his frankly adorable habit of making friends with other shitty dudes (shame he and Black Tom Cassidy never spoke, as they're total bros in the comics) and smashing things up on their behalf. Perfect use of the character.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:00 PM on May 23, 2018 [1 favorite]


I think it says a lot about why these movies work so well that Colossus is more accurately and lovingly portrayed in a parody of superhero movies than he was in the more sincere effort.

I am deeply upset that Colossus is never shown in his human form, just chilling out. It kinda mocks the whole "no one is hero all the time" schtick if he's always armored up and in uniform.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:02 PM on May 23, 2018 [1 favorite]


But I did feel like there was a weird story leap where Cable just suddenly had TJ Miller's character captured, with no explanation of how that happened. It felt to me like a scene had been cut

It was a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, but after they wrapped up interviewing new members for the team and DP and Weasel (that's TJ Miller's character's name) parted ways, you'll see Cable waiting for them outside the building.
posted by numaner at 5:33 PM on May 23, 2018 [1 favorite]


So I assumed that the X-Squad characters were all made up for this movies since they were all so lame but Wikipedia tells me that most of them are from the comics.

This was one of my favorite gags in the movie, and another Thing From Comics I never expected to see onscreen before the golden age of comicbook movies began. Deadpool's X-Force team was a combination of characters from two very different runs of X-Force. Some were characters with years of history (Domino, Haywire, Shatterstar) and one was from a squad that was created specifically to be snuffed out on their very first adventure (Zeitgeist). It was one of the greatest trolls of all times in comics because this was an X-Force relaunch squad that Marvel had teased for months. Mike Allred on X-Force with an all-new, all-different and, by the end of the first issue, mostly all-dead lineup! Up until this movie, I'm fairly confident that Zeitgeist had appeared in more marketing material than actual comics panels. It was a real treat to get totally blindsided by the "X-Force Total Party Wipe" not once but twice in my nerd life. Zeitgeist's presence should have tipped me off, but I guess I was too stoked that Domino was there.

Whatever Marvel/Fox mergers may or may not happen, I sort of hope that this X-Universe survives and carries on. They're just starting to reach the post-Claremont phase of the story, where X-Men gets so fucking weird, and really sort of impossible to keep entirely straight in your head all at once. I missed X-Men Apocalypse, but the utter disregard for unified continuity that Logan and the Deadpool series demonstrated is probably the only reasonable approach to adapting this phase of the X-Universe, and truest to the spirit of those comics.

I've really come to appreciate the sort-of tragic arc the X-comics wound up following, sort of on accident. Xavier had a vision and Magneto had a different one. They each recruit and train their own private mutant armies, though of course the professor would not have appreciated that term. They fought so long and so viciously that it cost them both their very lives and bodies, multiple times. Earth's argument over the X-gene reverberated out into space, into parallel dimensions, into the past and the future. The conflict began with humans and mutants but came to encompass space aliens, malignant disembodied consciousnesses both psychic and straight up demonic, vampires, killer robots, clones, and time travelling or reality crossing variants of all of the above. Xavier's first students all grew up, took government jobs, fought a god, then came back to the Institute to be like, grad student teaching assistants.

And that second generation of Xavier Institute students? Some of them wound up doing respectable work in outfits like Excalibur, Generation X and the various X-Factors but a lot of them graduated from mutant school into a life of grimy, violent, terrifying adventures in X-Force. I don't think that 90s Rob Liefeld and Fabien Nicenza were trying to say anything deep about the possible outcomes of ideological conflicts and what marginalized populations must sometimes do to survive them when they created some of the greatest, dumbest summer vacation comics ever known to man. But I always thought that was a weird wrinkle to the X-story, that some "good guy" mutants would one day feel compelled to form a well-armed paramilitary squadron that followed a grim logic of combining their fantastic powers with whatever deadly weapons their weird world could provide them, and engaging in lethal violence on a regular basis.

The business sense of it is clear enough. If Wolverine is everyone's favorite X-Man, then how about a whole team of Wolverines? And they weren't wrong. There was a long stretch there where the X-Men comic was competing for the spotlight in its own franchise. Which in and of itself became kind of it's own universe within a universe, only intersecting with the larger Marvel story when things were especially weird or dire. I'm a nerd pushing 40, I never thought I'd see the movies get to a place where the whole world's gonna know about Domino now. It's crazy to have seen the same really cool / pretty depressing idea of the world of Xavier's dream collapsing into the world of Deadpool's amoral mayhem make a babillion dollars in two formats.

I like that by the weird, expensive circumstances of movie licensing agreements, X-Men got to be it's own thing, away from Cap and the gang, again. Whatever the future holds, I hope the X-movies and shows retain their unique identity, and that we get more pictures about the weird, grimy, post-grad mutant problems than a reboot about Magneto and Toad stealing missiles again.
posted by EatTheWeak at 8:39 PM on May 23, 2018 [4 favorites]


Gail Simone, who knows something about both Women in Refrigerators and Deadpool, says that Deadpool 2 doesn't exactly count as WiF.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 6:49 AM on May 24, 2018


I can see where she's coming from. Vanessa continues to exist in the story post-death, and she's not just treated as an angst source for Deadpool. Given that she's eventually "rescued" from the afterlife, you could make the case that as a narrative device it's much more like a damsel-in-distress setup. And as another Twitterer pointed out, there's still a much more classic fridging in the story of Cable's wife and daughter.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:57 AM on May 24, 2018


I haven't seen any mention of how the Russell narrative comes off under the current cloud of mass shootings in America. This angry young man is going to commit mass murder. He's really a good kid though, he has a good heart. We need to be self-sacrificing. We just need to find the exact right combination of things to say and do to make him not go on a killing spree.

I'm not totally sure how to feel about it.

Otherwise, enjoyed the movie overall. Would have liked to see more of Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio, but that's kind of a no brainer and been covered already. Also would have liked to see more Vanessa and less Weasel (I just had to look up his name). Oh wait, why not have her take over the bar instead. Boom, solved it.

Also, while it was funny as fuck, the killing of the whole team made me unreasonably sad. What a poor team of misfits. They just wanted somewhere to belong. :(
posted by ODiV at 9:48 AM on May 24, 2018 [2 favorites]


Oh and our showing started something like 15 minutes late. I went out to ask a theatre employee if there was a problem and he said, "Oh, yeah, a whole bunch of people just showed up when the movie was supposed to start so we're holding it."

So I guess that's how that works here.
posted by ODiV at 9:50 AM on May 24, 2018


I think it's a little wonky to call the death of Cable's wife and daughter fridging, too, tbh. In the classic example -- at the beginning of his time as Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner finds his girlfriend, Alex, murdered by a villain and literally stuffed into his refrigerator -- Alex is introduced as a character in her own right, hangs around the series for its first few issues as the leading lady, and eventually becomes nothing more than a plot device intended to make Kyle get his shit together and Get Serious about being a hero. This isn't what Cable's wife and daughter are, because we never meet them at all: they're already dead when the movie begins. And while their death maybe makes Cable grim n' gritty enough to kill a kid, one imagines he was pretty grim n' gritty to begin with. In any case, we haven't seen female characters reduced to a cheap trope, because they were always just tropes. They're macguffins. I don't know if that's better or worse, but it's not fridging. I don't think it's much of anything. It's just a thing.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:12 PM on May 24, 2018 [1 favorite]


A lazy, cliche, and fairly sexist thing.
posted by kyrademon at 12:48 PM on May 25, 2018 [3 favorites]


I was bothered by something. Saving Vanessa was great, but her death set the entire story in motion. The entire plot shows a timeline being shifted by an act of selflessness, yet none of that would have happened if Deadpool wasn't all sad and depressed about the love of his life being dead. Did the end undo the whole movie? Sorry. time travel is bogus.
posted by Carmody'sPrize at 1:36 PM on May 25, 2018 [1 favorite]


Oh, BTW, stay till the very end of the credits. It's a memorable music moment.
posted by Carmody'sPrize at 1:38 PM on May 25, 2018 [3 favorites]


Did the end undo the whole movie?

No, because they managed to convince Rusty to not murder people, and managed to save Vanessa in the end.

But yeah, time travel stories are a bit odd. Like if they fixed the device so Wade can save Vanessa, why could Cable return home? Best not to think about it too much, because it makes no sense.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:47 PM on May 25, 2018 [1 favorite]


If the changes are retroactive then Deadpool never joins the X-Men so he doesn't meet Russell so he doesn't run into Cable so he never gets the time travel gizmo so he can't go back and save Vanessa so time travel is confusing.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:49 PM on May 25, 2018 [2 favorites]


I wish I couldn't think about it too much, but it occurred to me the moment I watched it. It's ironic that I fully accept a grown man with baby legs, but inconsistent time travel? Hell no!
posted by Carmody'sPrize at 2:59 PM on May 25, 2018 [5 favorites]


But DP has already joined the X-People, that wasn’t undone.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:42 PM on May 25, 2018


I haven't seen any mention of how the Russell narrative comes off under the current cloud of mass shootings in America. This angry young man is going to commit mass murder. He's really a good kid though, he has a good heart. We need to be self-sacrificing. We just need to find the exact right combination of things to say and do to make him not go on a killing spree.

I think in America we'd just be relieved as hell to have one less mass murderer around.

I can't quite say I thought Russell was a good kid with a good heart, but my impression of him was that he was edging towards evil oblivion but at that point hadn't gone full hog yet. And you knew why he was feeling that way since he'd been trapped in a bad situation without anyone on his side helping.* Deadpool was about the closest he'd found since Deadpool took out most of his enemies and figured out that the abuse was going on, which is the most anyone had done so far. In his situation he needed someone to stand up for and help him and finding someone willing to do that turned that tide. If he wasn't a kid having to figure out how to deal with evil assholes torturing him (if you can't beat 'em or get help, use their own tactics) on his own, he didn't have to go that route.

* which may or may not be the issue with our typical non-superpowered high school mass murderers
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:39 AM on May 26, 2018


I really enjoyed this, way more than I expected to (much like the first one). I had to do more looking away than the first one (I sat there with my eyes covered during the entirety of killing off the team). I also bawled like a baby, which I didn't expect to do in Deadpool ffs. (On the other hand, I cried not a drop during Infinity War. Brains are weird).

So -- despite the "death" of Vanessa in the first act (I mean, we know right away Cable is a time traveler, so...)


I had no idea they were going to fix that in the end, so that was low key delightful. Then again, I'm also the most gullible movie watcher ever (I'm that person going "OH!" as the Dread Pirate Roberts rolls down the hill screaming "as you wish!") Yes, watching horror movies with me is entertaining. :)
posted by joycehealy at 6:10 AM on May 28, 2018 [3 favorites]


Stayed to the end and it was worth it for the full-on vocal track of "You Can't Stop This Mother F*****"

Was hoping that Angel Dust would return, perhaps in an X-Force movie.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 12:24 PM on May 28, 2018 [1 favorite]


This was fun, but for me not anywhere close to the first movie. I was startled by how much I loved the first one, so maybe it was just the novelty factor, but I think they cranked the dial up on a few things I'd rather they had left untouched. I was furious about Vanessa and wasn't sure they were going to use the time travel widget to undo it, so I'm so glad they did. I loved the whole supporting cast too, and Josh Brolin did a good job (and is a stellar entrant into the Silver Fox canon). I enjoyed his realization that grim and gritty only gets you so far with Deadpool and sometimes you just have to tell him he's a dick and keep moving. I adored Domino so very hard. Despite all the love for individual bits, though, I felt a little let down by the whole thing but I can't place why, exactly.
posted by PussKillian at 4:15 PM on May 28, 2018


I read a thing on the internets that said that Peter's superpower was white privilege, and contrasted the recruiting between Domino, where she's obviously qualified, but has to reiterate her skills, and Peter's - where he just shows up. "Sounds like it'd be fun." (I know Peter's actually a British spy in the comics, but if you didn't know that - it's totally the story of getting hired in America.)
posted by Gyre,Gimble,Wabe, Esq. at 9:23 AM on May 29, 2018 [8 favorites]


The legs scene, though....I nearly asphyxiated I was laughing so hard. Also the Cure for Blindness.

But the rest was pretty meh (other than Domino obvs, and Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Hi Yukio!). I LOVE the first Deadpool movie, despite myself (since I generally hate silly/goofy), and have seen it more times than I care to admit. This one just didn't have a very compelling story (despite Cable's most excellent scowl), it seemed jumbled and didn't flow well, and just kinda left me with a meh. It was a fun enough couple of hours spent sitting in a/c on a hot day, but I can't really see ever watching it again.

It was not a maximum effort sort of movie.
posted by biscotti at 5:25 PM on May 30, 2018


I know Peter's actually a British spy in the comics

Oh wait, you think he's Peter Wisdom? I'd thought he'd have better situational awareness.

Looking around for evidence for or against the theory, I found Peter's LinkedIn profile, including his title: "Regional Sales Manager at Excalibur Cutlery Co."
posted by Pronoiac at 7:10 PM on May 30, 2018 [4 favorites]


Oh, I think movie Peter is just movie Peter..... but if they didn't want the connection between him and the comix they coulda just called him George or Frank or literally anything else.
posted by Gyre,Gimble,Wabe, Esq. at 1:39 PM on May 31, 2018


And also not referenced Excalibur with him. He's not Pete Wisdom (unless he is, which would be hilarious) but somebody wanted fans to know they remember who Pete Wisdom is.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:09 PM on May 31, 2018


That's a pretty funny possible easter egg, but heck, maybe we'll see Excalibur one of these days. (I'm one of the five remaining people that still ship Pryde/Wisdom. Don't @ me.)
posted by PussKillian at 2:40 PM on May 31, 2018 [2 favorites]


I would be entirely on board for a movie with Ellen Page returning as Kitty Pryde and the introduction of Lockheed the dragon into the MCU or X-Men world. Hell, Excalibur could scratch a lot of itches: you get more Nightcrawler; you get Rachel Summers' Phoenix; Captain Britain (probably played by a buff Australian named Chris -- they grow those on a farm, right?).
posted by wabbittwax at 5:40 AM on June 1, 2018 [3 favorites]


I liked the shoutout to Vancouver (the hand drawn map the credit cartoons were pinned to was the geographic outline and major roads of the lower mainland).
posted by porpoise at 4:29 PM on June 2, 2018


Did anyone else find themselves consciously watching very closely to see if Cable's feet were ever shown after the crack at Liefield's inability to draw feet? (I caught them only once, and obscured or barely cut off at least a couple times after that point)
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:41 PM on June 3, 2018 [2 favorites]


I didn't realize how horrible of a plan Deadpool made until about a day after I watched the movie. Plus, he could have time travelled back to when he unveiled that plan, change it, and ... save everyone? But I guess DP only cared about his SugarBear.
posted by P.o.B. at 12:39 PM on June 5, 2018


That's the problem with time travel. If you can go back and fix anything, why aren't you fixing everything?

Except for Brad Pitt, I thought Domino was the best part of this movie. What's her skill? Oh things just tend to work out for her (and they totally did and it was hilarious everytime!), although it helps to also be a bad add fighter. I love Zazie Beetz in Atlanta and I hope this movie leads to her own trilogy of movies, possibly with punny names.
posted by LizBoBiz at 5:10 AM on June 11, 2018 [1 favorite]


I finally got to seeing this last night (thanks for being total time-sucks, offspring! How did you think you were still gonna get to go full murderspree once you reproduced, Deadpool?) and I am inclined to agree with Gail Simone that this doesn't qualify as a fridging, just somewhat lazy & copout storytelling as Asher-Perrin talks about at TOR (linked above). I'm not gonna go to the ramparts to defend this interpretation of a term that lacks a concrete definition, but I prefer to reserve fridging to describe the most extreme and slothful examples. Vanessa gets to be a person more than Kyle Rayner's Alex ever did.

I haven't seen any mention of how the Russell narrative comes off under the current cloud of mass shootings in America. This angry young man is going to commit mass murder.

Well, he's going to go kill a headmaster who tortured him and a bunch of other kids as well as whatever henchmen get in his way. I don't think we see any sign or hear anything that indicates he has any desire or interest in harming the other kids. Best we get is talk about burning the place down, which might indicate a lack of concern about the other kids one way or another or just be him talking about destroying a torture palace. I don't know that the whole "are mass shooters bullied or not" question even plays into it; we get repeated indication that Russell isn't just tormented, he's physically tortured and has visible scars.

I am deeply upset that Colossus is never shown in his human form, just chilling out. It kinda mocks the whole "no one is hero all the time" schtick if he's always armored up and in uniform.


I wonder to what extent this is a way to avoid being beholden to a single actor for the part. But you could just assume that in this interpretation of the X-Men Pytor doesn't have the ability to go back to his fleshy bits and is stuck that way all the time, a la Beast.

IMDB claims that Quicksilver as seen through the door briefly is indeed Evan Peters from XM:A and XM:DoFP, though they mark it as "uncredited" so I wonder if it's just over-confident crowdsourcing. Anyone know? If it wasn't him it was a hell of a good dopple.
posted by phearlez at 12:09 PM on June 13, 2018 [1 favorite]


Well, he's going to go kill a headmaster who tortured him and a bunch of other kids as well as whatever henchmen get in his way. I don't think we see any sign or hear anything that indicates he has any desire or interest in harming the other kids.

Yeah, not that murder specifically (no one gives a shit about the headmaster's life), all of the ones to come. The reason Cable goes back in time.
posted by ODiV at 9:31 PM on June 13, 2018 [1 favorite]


Just got back from seeing this, and one of the trailers they played beforehand was Teen Titans GO to the Movies, the movie for DC's wildly successful animated TV show. Interestingly enough, the big bad villain in that one is going to be Deathstroke, aka Slade Wilson, DC's character whom Liefeld totally and blatantly ripped off drew inspiration from when creating Deadpool.

There was an extended gag where the Titans mistake Slade for Deadpool, or at least copying him. This sets off Slade's anger button, prompting him to declare "If anything, he's copying me!" and points out that he came out well before Wade did. So potent is Deadpool's ability to break the 4th wall, it extends to other franchises.
posted by radwolf76 at 10:42 PM on June 16, 2018 [1 favorite]


I read a thing on the internets that said that Peter's superpower was white privilege, and contrasted the recruiting between Domino, where she's obviously qualified, but has to reiterate her skills, and Peter's - where he just shows up. "Sounds like it'd be fun."

Yes, I think Peter's superpower is that he's a "mediocre white man in America" -- there's also a scene where Domino makes some reasonable point/retort to Deadpool, and Deadpool answers as though Peter said it. (It's when X-Force is on the plane getting ready to paratroop).
posted by rue72 at 7:40 AM on June 17, 2018 [3 favorites]


There's never enough Negasonic Teenage Warhead.
posted by grouse at 5:40 PM on June 21, 2018 [2 favorites]


I just took my kid to see Once Upon a Deadpool. If you've not heard of this, this is the PG-13 reworking of Deadpool 2 that cuts the filthiest bits out, but then adds a Princess Bride-frame story in which Deadpool kidnaps an adult Fred Savage and forces him to listen as he reads the story. The studio wanted to do this as a test run to see if a PG-13 Deadpool could work in the Marvel universe. Reynolds and the director agreed to it under the conditions that a) they get to do the Princess Bride gag and b) a chunk of the proceeds go to charity.

I didn't see the original cut of this film, though I did see the first film.

Anyway...

In this version of the film, Fred Savage stops the film cold to loudly complain, "WAIT! YOU FRIDGED VANESSA? I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU FRIDGED VANESSA!" and then explain to Deadpool what that means when he sounds confused. Deapool replies, "That sounds kinda sexist." Fred Savage: "THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING."
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:11 AM on December 19, 2018 [11 favorites]


Once Upon a Deadpool has many, many during/after credits scenes, including one where Savage and Deadpool gush over how much fun extra scenes after the film are.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:13 AM on December 19, 2018


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