Good Girls: Season Two
March 6, 2019 9:41 AM - Season 2 (Full Season) - Subscribe
We pick up a few hours after where the first season left off, but quickly return to find out what happened in the standoff between Beth and Rio, with Dean's life hanging in the balance.
Good Girls airs on NBC in the U.S. and streams on Hulu. Season One is available on Netflix.
Good Girls airs on NBC in the U.S. and streams on Hulu. Season One is available on Netflix.
I was starting to doubt this season, what with Annie's guilt (hey! she's SHORT, using the peephole is a pain!... until "He was stealing from me, wasn't he?"), Ruby willing to break bad with herself (but she comes around, but is further compromised, but that compromise is brilliant).
On e04, and I approve. Beth flipped.
I hope she doesn't flip back.
posted by porpoise at 7:06 PM on March 27, 2019
On e04, and I approve. Beth flipped.
I hope she doesn't flip back.
posted by porpoise at 7:06 PM on March 27, 2019
OK so I'm only on the first episode but it seems to me that Greg's second wife goes from discovering she's pregnant to being pretty far along (showing) in like a few days. That seemed off to me.
posted by miss-lapin at 9:34 AM on March 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by miss-lapin at 9:34 AM on March 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
"He was stealing from me, wasn't he?"
Fucking hell if June Squibb doesn't at least get a nomination...
Greg's second wife goes from discovering she's pregnant to being pretty far along (showing) in like a few days. That seemed off to me.
The timespan of this show is... I don't want to say "malleable", but I think the latest episode kind of jumps over six weeks or so. And it's not the first time that I've suddenly realized in the middle of an episode "Oh, wait, this is weeks later, isn't it."
posted by Etrigan at 10:19 AM on March 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
Fucking hell if June Squibb doesn't at least get a nomination...
Greg's second wife goes from discovering she's pregnant to being pretty far along (showing) in like a few days. That seemed off to me.
The timespan of this show is... I don't want to say "malleable", but I think the latest episode kind of jumps over six weeks or so. And it's not the first time that I've suddenly realized in the middle of an episode "Oh, wait, this is weeks later, isn't it."
posted by Etrigan at 10:19 AM on March 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
I want to give Stan a hug and kick Mary Pat in the shin.
posted by soelo at 10:51 AM on April 2, 2019
posted by soelo at 10:51 AM on April 2, 2019
I know this is gonna sound cold, but I'm totally down with killing Mary Pat at this point.
posted by miss-lapin at 4:08 AM on April 3, 2019
posted by miss-lapin at 4:08 AM on April 3, 2019
What has Mary Pat done that one of the main three hasn't done? She sold them out? They've sold people out who weren't in their inner circle. Mary Pat's only crime was not having an inner circle.
Okay, and also killing and dismembering a guy. Those are her only crimes.
posted by Etrigan at 7:36 AM on April 3, 2019
Okay, and also killing and dismembering a guy. Those are her only crimes.
posted by Etrigan at 7:36 AM on April 3, 2019
Tryin' to take Stan down should be a crime. She extorted them and I don't remember them extorting anyone. Bribery, yes, but no extortion.
posted by soelo at 1:10 PM on April 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by soelo at 1:10 PM on April 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
Okay, not having an inner circle and killing and dismembering a guy and extortion. Those are her only crimes.
I would argue that at least 75% of Beth and Dean’s relationship at this point is extortion.
posted by Etrigan at 1:17 PM on April 3, 2019
I would argue that at least 75% of Beth and Dean’s relationship at this point is extortion.
posted by Etrigan at 1:17 PM on April 3, 2019
Yeah, marital extortion is some weird grey area especially since it started after her finding out about Adultery #1 (ordered by discovery date, not chronologically) and Household Budget Failure #1.
posted by soelo at 2:34 PM on April 3, 2019
posted by soelo at 2:34 PM on April 3, 2019
She not only killed and dismembered a guy she also FRAMED the people who did actually help her by disposing of him with murder. Have they framed someone for murder?
posted by miss-lapin at 4:54 AM on April 4, 2019
posted by miss-lapin at 4:54 AM on April 4, 2019
Okay, not having an inner circle and killing and dismembering a guy and extortion and framing the people who helped her by disposing of the body. Those are her only crimes.
But seriously, Mary Pat has done what she had to do to survive, given the options available to her, which is exactly what Beth and Annie and Ruby have done. They started this whole thing by committing armed robbery of a bunch of people that Annie worked with, remember. Since then, they've laundered money, counterfeited, smuggled, lied to their spouses and children, suborned perjury, and asked other people to do things that they were pretty sure at the time were going to lead to murders.
Mary Pat's worst offense seems to be that she doesn't get montage shots of her wiping away her tears in the moonlight to show how conflicted she is about it all.
posted by Etrigan at 6:11 AM on April 4, 2019
But seriously, Mary Pat has done what she had to do to survive, given the options available to her, which is exactly what Beth and Annie and Ruby have done. They started this whole thing by committing armed robbery of a bunch of people that Annie worked with, remember. Since then, they've laundered money, counterfeited, smuggled, lied to their spouses and children, suborned perjury, and asked other people to do things that they were pretty sure at the time were going to lead to murders.
Mary Pat's worst offense seems to be that she doesn't get montage shots of her wiping away her tears in the moonlight to show how conflicted she is about it all.
posted by Etrigan at 6:11 AM on April 4, 2019
It's true Mary Pat doesn't get that kind of sympathetic coverage, but we DO get a lot of coverage of her being super overwhelmed by her responsibility as a mother. In the last episode, when the agent comes to see her, the kids are going bonkers in the hotel room and she's just sitting on the floor utterly drained.
May being ok with Mary Pat dying is less about not being sympathetic to the character and more about-how do I say this-beginning to get bored with the same plot loop with her-she causes trouble (to protect or benefit herself)-the trio overcomes it but without neutralizing her thus ensuring this loop will occur again in the future.
It's not really about killing her. It's about how they continue to be trusting of her. Like it didn't occur to them to do anything to ensure that if the body was discovered it would be Mary Pat on the line and not themselves. Arguably they were hiding their first body so sure but at this point it should occur to them that they can't just trust her.
posted by miss-lapin at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2019
May being ok with Mary Pat dying is less about not being sympathetic to the character and more about-how do I say this-beginning to get bored with the same plot loop with her-she causes trouble (to protect or benefit herself)-the trio overcomes it but without neutralizing her thus ensuring this loop will occur again in the future.
It's not really about killing her. It's about how they continue to be trusting of her. Like it didn't occur to them to do anything to ensure that if the body was discovered it would be Mary Pat on the line and not themselves. Arguably they were hiding their first body so sure but at this point it should occur to them that they can't just trust her.
posted by miss-lapin at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2019
Has every but me stopped watching?
posted by miss-lapin at 10:00 PM on April 20, 2019
posted by miss-lapin at 10:00 PM on April 20, 2019
No, I’m just holding my breath at this point. I mean, they can’t kill Retta tonight, but... can’t they?
posted by Etrigan at 5:06 AM on April 21, 2019
posted by Etrigan at 5:06 AM on April 21, 2019
I loved the origin story. It made perfect sense for the characters and their dynamic (and in my head, the Young Annie actress just showed up with the cast on the day and they said "Yeah, sure, makes sense).
I don't see how head-faking the FBI guy does anyone any good. He's just going to get mad at Ruby, right?
I admit, I gasped at the reveal in the last scene.
posted by Etrigan at 9:17 AM on April 22, 2019
I don't see how head-faking the FBI guy does anyone any good. He's just going to get mad at Ruby, right?
I admit, I gasped at the reveal in the last scene.
posted by Etrigan at 9:17 AM on April 22, 2019
I'm still watching but it usually takes me a few days to get to an episode because although I still like the show, I'm not always feeling it - it feels different from the tension of, say, Breaking Bad, because the stakes in Good Girls are the well-being of a whole bunch of children, so it can be a bit intense sometimes to watch Beth repeatedly press her luck further and further. I don't know if this show will actually let everyone really run out of luck and meet the consequences of playing with so much fire, it isn't a cable drama, but jeez they're great at making you feel like it can all blow up any second.
posted by jason_steakums at 5:27 PM on April 22, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by jason_steakums at 5:27 PM on April 22, 2019 [1 favorite]
Okay, not having an inner circle and dismembering one guy and fraudulently collecting his VA checks and nearly killing another guy and extortion and framing the people who helped her by disposing of the first guy and not telling them that the second guy wasn't dead. Those are Mary Pat's only crimes.
posted by Etrigan at 11:00 AM on May 22, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by Etrigan at 11:00 AM on May 22, 2019 [3 favorites]
Strangely Mary Pat's latest reveal makes her more sympathetic to me. Maybe it was seeing her husband and what a stabilizing force he was.
posted by miss-lapin at 2:45 PM on May 26, 2019
posted by miss-lapin at 2:45 PM on May 26, 2019
Mary Pat's reveal leaves me ever more conflicted, but net negative sympathy from me; she has always been horrible and has more or less hidden it, but her current horrible behaviour wasn't out of norm for her - no matter how justified. Or perhaps, because she's able to justify her behaviour all the time.
posted by porpoise at 8:03 PM on May 27, 2019
posted by porpoise at 8:03 PM on May 27, 2019
I liked the interleaved time for the finale, overall and the final reveal paid off. I wonder who it was who does the hand-model work of finishing the baked goods? I recognized the final shot as such, and this episode had primed me to look at what goes into the pan before it enters the oven, and what's in the pan after it comes out of the oven. Nice.
But everything was rushed. The interleave over two episodes wouldn't have worked, and I guess they couldn't get an extended finale.
Probably because they've already been greenlit for a Season 3.
Rio's egotism doing him in, in the end, and Beth making the right - and easy - choice both felt fitting/ satisfying.
Beth hugging Dean, and Dean being there for her, while the children looked on choked me up a little bit. I don't recall a lot of Mathew Lillard since 'Hackers,' 'SLC Punk!'* (and the lamentable 'Wing Commander.')
He's typecasted for the Dean Boland role, but I kind of appreciate that he's the dimmer hyper kid from 'Hackers'/'Wing Commander' all grown up. Fitting that he's a car salesman. Not fitting that Beth and his reminiscence suggested that Dean didn't come from money/ generous parents.
I didn't find Agent Turner's motivations to be believable. It's a pain in the ass to lie, if Rio survives to be prosecuted (and perhaps to inform), there's very little other than an indifferent justice system for Rio to blow the coverup, if he doesn't do it by accident. Exonerating the three women is all kinds of difficult and complicated given that there is already a case file on them.
Maybe I haven't been paying attention. Turner being a hardass could be secondary to him hating the city/ assignment. Maybe he had a hardon for Rio or someone higher up? He's been such a dick (like involving the Hill children) that I don't understand any potential sympathy he could have towards Beth.
Ditto with Noah - sure he found love, but without a background where it might make sense, covering for Annie with his naval aviator/ FBI background is kind of egregious. It's not like he's hideous (physically or emotionally) or anything - rather, quite the opposite.
How much collusion/ transparency was between him and Turner?
I really liked Mae Whitman's Annie. Complex character, built through show-not-tell.
Isaiah Stannard's portrayal of of Sadie was a fantastic grace note. How [marriedbiography.com, sorry] that got written in is kinda interesting. (Sorry, the link is mostly ok, but .. clumsy, given the benefit of the doubt.)
Ruby and Stan's relationship - or rather, Stan's relationship with Ruby is something that happens (I've seen it IRL), but not something that I can understand but would love to.
Not this episode, but the flashback to when the women first met as girls is wonderful. That Beth marrying into a household that did well economically, her younger sister being a supermarket cashier (single mother), and Ruby being a cashier at a Dandy Donuts (who's married to a cop on a cop salary [which normally isn't anything to sneeze at]) ... is an interesting dynamic.
* 'SLC Punk!' (1998) is a pretty darned good 90's movie lamenting the capitalistic excess of the 80's, and everyone in the 90's hypocrisy about it all; kind of predicting the 00's (until then the 08 crash).
posted by porpoise at 8:55 PM on May 27, 2019
But everything was rushed. The interleave over two episodes wouldn't have worked, and I guess they couldn't get an extended finale.
Probably because they've already been greenlit for a Season 3.
Rio's egotism doing him in, in the end, and Beth making the right - and easy - choice both felt fitting/ satisfying.
Beth hugging Dean, and Dean being there for her, while the children looked on choked me up a little bit. I don't recall a lot of Mathew Lillard since 'Hackers,' 'SLC Punk!'* (and the lamentable 'Wing Commander.')
He's typecasted for the Dean Boland role, but I kind of appreciate that he's the dimmer hyper kid from 'Hackers'/'Wing Commander' all grown up. Fitting that he's a car salesman. Not fitting that Beth and his reminiscence suggested that Dean didn't come from money/ generous parents.
I didn't find Agent Turner's motivations to be believable. It's a pain in the ass to lie, if Rio survives to be prosecuted (and perhaps to inform), there's very little other than an indifferent justice system for Rio to blow the coverup, if he doesn't do it by accident. Exonerating the three women is all kinds of difficult and complicated given that there is already a case file on them.
Maybe I haven't been paying attention. Turner being a hardass could be secondary to him hating the city/ assignment. Maybe he had a hardon for Rio or someone higher up? He's been such a dick (like involving the Hill children) that I don't understand any potential sympathy he could have towards Beth.
Ditto with Noah - sure he found love, but without a background where it might make sense, covering for Annie with his naval aviator/ FBI background is kind of egregious. It's not like he's hideous (physically or emotionally) or anything - rather, quite the opposite.
How much collusion/ transparency was between him and Turner?
I really liked Mae Whitman's Annie. Complex character, built through show-not-tell.
Isaiah Stannard's portrayal of of Sadie was a fantastic grace note. How [marriedbiography.com, sorry] that got written in is kinda interesting. (Sorry, the link is mostly ok, but .. clumsy, given the benefit of the doubt.)
Ruby and Stan's relationship - or rather, Stan's relationship with Ruby is something that happens (I've seen it IRL), but not something that I can understand but would love to.
Not this episode, but the flashback to when the women first met as girls is wonderful. That Beth marrying into a household that did well economically, her younger sister being a supermarket cashier (single mother), and Ruby being a cashier at a Dandy Donuts (who's married to a cop on a cop salary [which normally isn't anything to sneeze at]) ... is an interesting dynamic.
* 'SLC Punk!' (1998) is a pretty darned good 90's movie lamenting the capitalistic excess of the 80's, and everyone in the 90's hypocrisy about it all; kind of predicting the 00's (until then the 08 crash).
posted by porpoise at 8:55 PM on May 27, 2019
If Annie-Noah are still a thing in Season 3, that's not going to end well.
posted by porpoise at 8:59 PM on May 27, 2019
posted by porpoise at 8:59 PM on May 27, 2019
Regarding Noah-he has a terrible relationship with the truth. Annie discovers he's FBI, but he STILL doesn't come clean about having a kid?! BEFORE he mentions the kid he suggests just leaving with Annie, which means he's willing to abandon his own child and not even tell Annie about it! (Uh and Annie should have caught that.)
I'm putting money down now that he has a wife. I'm betting money on that RIGHT NOW.
I do like how Beth and Dean and reconnecting now. I have actually seen this happen where the pressure to be a couple is off and then people remember why they got together in the first place. (My second bf's parents divorced and then remarried a year later. They are STILL happily married over 20 years later.)
posted by miss-lapin at 10:07 PM on May 27, 2019 [2 favorites]
I'm putting money down now that he has a wife. I'm betting money on that RIGHT NOW.
I do like how Beth and Dean and reconnecting now. I have actually seen this happen where the pressure to be a couple is off and then people remember why they got together in the first place. (My second bf's parents divorced and then remarried a year later. They are STILL happily married over 20 years later.)
posted by miss-lapin at 10:07 PM on May 27, 2019 [2 favorites]
Maybe he had a hardon for Rio or someone higher up?
I always figured that he knew the titular Girls were just rungs on a ladder that he wanted to climb past Rio, and that as soon as Beth spent a night or two in a cell, he would start sweating her to give up her boss.
I'm putting money down now that he has a wife. I'm betting money on that RIGHT NOW.
His not saying “My son lives in Phoenix with his mom“ is an obvious tell. He’s still in that relationship, or at least he thinks he is.
posted by Etrigan at 1:34 AM on May 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
I always figured that he knew the titular Girls were just rungs on a ladder that he wanted to climb past Rio, and that as soon as Beth spent a night or two in a cell, he would start sweating her to give up her boss.
I'm putting money down now that he has a wife. I'm betting money on that RIGHT NOW.
His not saying “My son lives in Phoenix with his mom“ is an obvious tell. He’s still in that relationship, or at least he thinks he is.
posted by Etrigan at 1:34 AM on May 28, 2019 [1 favorite]
Yeah that was my take, and I was surprised Annie didn't ask anything like "So who takes care of him while you're here?" That seems like the first question a mom would think of-if you're here, who is caring for your kid?
Sometimes the writing is a bit facile that way. Like I can buy that at this point Annie is a bit frazzled, but that she wouldn't even wonder about his kid? And how he can spend all this time undercover and have no contact with him? Like I don't even have children and I would definitely want to know that shit.
posted by miss-lapin at 1:44 AM on May 28, 2019
Sometimes the writing is a bit facile that way. Like I can buy that at this point Annie is a bit frazzled, but that she wouldn't even wonder about his kid? And how he can spend all this time undercover and have no contact with him? Like I don't even have children and I would definitely want to know that shit.
posted by miss-lapin at 1:44 AM on May 28, 2019
I was expecting Noah to say "...with my wife." after he told her that his son lives in Phoenix.
Why didn't Agent Turner tell Beth that Rio is still alive? He owes her his life.
posted by soelo at 8:04 PM on May 28, 2019
Why didn't Agent Turner tell Beth that Rio is still alive? He owes her his life.
posted by soelo at 8:04 PM on May 28, 2019
i think there is more to agent Turner, just like all the other characters. There's something we don't know about him yet that will be revealed next season.
posted by miss-lapin at 11:36 AM on May 29, 2019
posted by miss-lapin at 11:36 AM on May 29, 2019
I forgot to ad that I'm glad Boomer's mom finally made him get a fucking spine. I was really upset when they revealed she was harboring him . After all he did to her that pissed me off. And the scene where she gets him a tab with a straw, I know it's played for comedy, but I found it painful. Like he's so entitled and while I get the "girls" were focused on other things, it would have been great if at the end of the scene one of them had sniped at him for being such an insensitive jerk to the woman who was harboring him.
posted by miss-lapin at 11:39 AM on May 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
posted by miss-lapin at 11:39 AM on May 29, 2019 [3 favorites]
That is his grandma, but I think the story she told about the fire (when they were in the car) shows how involved she has been with him even when he was a child. I agree he is rude, but there are a lot of people who refuse to see their kids or grandkids as ever being flawed.
posted by soelo at 1:20 PM on May 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by soelo at 1:20 PM on May 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
I agree he is rude, but there are a lot of people who refuse to see their kids or grandkids as ever being flawed.
I said it before, I will say it again: Fucking hell if June Squibb doesn't at least get a nomination...
posted by Etrigan at 6:11 AM on May 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
I said it before, I will say it again: Fucking hell if June Squibb doesn't at least get a nomination...
posted by Etrigan at 6:11 AM on May 30, 2019 [1 favorite]
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