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April 3, 2019 7:18 PM - Season 4, Episode 11 - Subscribe

"Like I helped it wake up and remember what it was before."

posted by dorothyisunderwood at 10:35 AM on April 4 [2 favorites]

Or hopeful? It looked like both Q and Alice both felt something rekindle, thanks to their "younger" selves interacting with their "older" selves, remembering what they had before. Before-Alice said "Maybe it's crazy and hopeless where you live, but you know, maybe I never told you this, but you are the best thing that's ever happened to me.
So when you go back, just remember that, okay?"

That's a pretty heavy parting message, which, paired with her love/lust towards Quentin, seemed to have helped him let go of some of his anger or resentment towards Alice (and I honestly forgot why he's so angry at her -- sorry, Q, you're forever a dramatic, somewhat whiny character to me, so your grief is tampered in my mind by that).

Meanwhile, Margo is still a boss, and Josh is really growing on me.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:35 AM on April 4 [2 favorites]

The convergence of the plot lines was my big takeaway from this episode. Also, I really want to see more of the Binder.
posted by Ber at 12:13 PM on April 4

and I honestly forgot why he's so angry at her

She doublecrossed the gang and handed control over magic to the Library, is why. Which has been working out suuuper great for everyone, so I can kind of sympathize with Quentin here, it's hard to get over it and move past it when you're still constantly dealing with the repercussions 24/7. But time heals all wounds and I guess time travel helps it happen faster?

I enjoyed seeing Mayakovsky again. I'm not quite sure what to make of Quentin finally finding out his discipline is "repair of small objects" though.
posted by mstokes650 at 12:40 PM on April 4 [2 favorites]

I'm not quite sure what to make of Quentin finally finding out his discipline is "repair of small objects" though.

That was A Thing in the books, finally answered in Book 3 (Google Books search results), but at this point, the show has diverged so far from the books that I'm not sure at all what it portends. As noted in this Reddit post, there have been various nods to this in the show through the seasons.
posted by filthy light thief at 2:39 PM on April 4 [2 favorites]

but you are the best thing that's ever happened to me

Until you turned yourself into a Niffin and you were all about magic!
posted by numaner at 11:43 AM on April 5 [2 favorites]

Please, please, please let them not queer bait with Quentin and Eliot, only to go back to pairing off Quentin and Alice.
posted by 80 Cats in a Dog Suit at 10:28 PM on April 5 [5 favorites]

Quentin is clearly bi so why would it be a problem if he ends up in a relationship with Alice ?
posted by Pendragon at 7:01 AM on April 6

I mean, it's not like this is happening in a vacuum. There's nothing wrong with Alice/Quentin in and of itself, and seeing those glimpses of their S1 selves did tug on my heartstrings, but if the show chooses to prioritize it over Quentin/Eliot, that's one more addition to TV's long long list of tragedied queer pairings. Especially now that we know that Quentin was willing to give it another go in S3 after their lifetime together in Fillory, and Eliot regrets turning him down.

I've never been one for spoilers, but part of me wishes I could get a warning from future-me as to whether this series is going to break my heart in the end. The show is always leaping from one crisis to the next, but we have all these great little moments of love & friendship triumphing over defeat, so I just don't know which side of things the production is ultimately going to land on. Are they going to pull some kind of asshole 'we can't get the happy endings for characters 1/2/3 without killing off characters 4/5/6 to prove that the stakes were high' move? Some Whedon-esque "I give the audience what they need, not what they want" bullshit? Or will they just give the characters & audience a break, and let them restore magic & defeat the big bads & retire in whatever great big poly combo they want?

Ever since the "Under Pressure" musical sequence, I've felt optimistic about the chances for a happy ending. Or, maybe not about the ending, just that I knew at that moment that whatever else happened, I had reached a point where there were so many scenes/characters that I loved, that even if they went and did some horrible show-killing series finale, I think I'd still be able to go back and re-watch and still love it, and ignore whatever of the ending I hated.

But I'm still anxiously hoping for a satisfying canon ending for everyone.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:51 AM on April 6 [3 favorites]

As a disaster bi myself, I'm aware Quentin is bisexual and happy for the representation - though I'd wager Quentin's sexuality is more "anyone that offers him a modicum of positive attention" -sexual.

What I'm taking issue with is the teasing of building up to a same sex relationship, including the actors hinting and Syfy doing articles about the show's representation and offering queer follow through... with no follow through.

We had seasons of the Alice and Quentin relationship of coming together and then exploding. We had one episode of Quentin and Eliot (with an added third for baby making) where the writers then keep throwing out, "50 years proof of concept," as if the relationship was the greatest thing.

To then trot out the Alice and Quentin relationship again feels uneven and like Lucy yanking away the football again.

So yay, he's bi. If you want points for that there you go. I'd rather see it play out across a couple seasons like all the m/f relationships myself.
posted by 80 Cats in a Dog Suit at 9:14 AM on April 6 [3 favorites]

"anyone that offers him a modicum of positive attention" -sexual.

basically why Quentin is both super whiny and super relatable
posted by numaner at 2:11 PM on April 11 [3 favorites]

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