2019 Cricket World Cup: Omnibus tournament thread
May 31, 2019 10:42 PM - Subscribe
The 12th edition, held in England and Wales - 30th May to 14th July
How come some teams won by x runs and others by y wickets?
I'm rooting for India because if they get far enough we will have samosas and (less importantly) viewing parties at work. I know absolutely nothing about the sport though.
posted by jeather at 9:11 AM on June 1, 2019
I'm rooting for India because if they get far enough we will have samosas and (less importantly) viewing parties at work. I know absolutely nothing about the sport though.
posted by jeather at 9:11 AM on June 1, 2019
If the team that bats first wins, they win by a number of runs, if the team batting second wins they win by a number of wickets.
i.e. Afghanistan scores 350, then bowls out Australia for 100: Afghanistan wins by 250 runs.
but if Afghanistan scores 200, then Australia manage to chase down the score, then they win by the number of wickets they still have left; so if none of their players got out, Australia won by 10 wickets. If two players were out (eg Aus finish on 200 for 2) , that’s a win by 8 wickets.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:42 AM on June 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
i.e. Afghanistan scores 350, then bowls out Australia for 100: Afghanistan wins by 250 runs.
but if Afghanistan scores 200, then Australia manage to chase down the score, then they win by the number of wickets they still have left; so if none of their players got out, Australia won by 10 wickets. If two players were out (eg Aus finish on 200 for 2) , that’s a win by 8 wickets.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:42 AM on June 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
So, if I bring this to baseball which I understand a little, it's like if the visiting team (batting first) wins, you'd say they won by however many runs they had more than the home team, but if the home team wins in the last inning by beating the visiting team's score, you'd say they won by how many outs they had left when they beat the score (but they have 10 instead of 3 and they're called wickets).
Please tell me I'm right because this actually makes sense to me.
posted by jeather at 10:03 AM on June 1, 2019
Please tell me I'm right because this actually makes sense to me.
posted by jeather at 10:03 AM on June 1, 2019
That sounds right (but I’m only vaguely familiar with how baseball works). Basically it’s because if the team batting second wins, the game stops when they reach the target, so they both end on about the same score; but it’s nice to have some measure of how comfortably they won. It actually makes more sense for other forms of cricket, but that’s a whole different issue.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 10:19 AM on June 1, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 10:19 AM on June 1, 2019
I remembered a long USENET-era "explain cricket for American baseball fans" post that was helpful once upon a time, and sure enough I found it.
Edit: OH SHIT PREVIOUSLY ON METAFILTER!
posted by Huffy Puffy at 10:22 AM on June 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
Edit: OH SHIT PREVIOUSLY ON METAFILTER!
posted by Huffy Puffy at 10:22 AM on June 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
That was all very helpful. I will stick with this level of knowledge, I feel good about it. And now I am subscribed to the thread to follow up on what is happening.
posted by jeather at 1:46 PM on June 1, 2019
posted by jeather at 1:46 PM on June 1, 2019
it's like if the visiting team (batting first) wins
Oh interesting, I didn't know that about baseball. In cricket they toss a coin and the winner chooses to bat or field first. This can be a huge advantage (e.g. if the weather is overcast, or the pitch very green (lots of grass) it can help the bowlers at the start of the day).
Anyway: surprised to see four blowouts so far. Thought SA might have got closer to England, and before the tournament I figured the West Indies weren't going to be much cop, but after seeing them thrash NZ in a warmup, and then against Pakistan, they look like they might have something.
Strange to realise that when India play South Africa it will be SA's third game, but India's first - some strange scheduling going on. Anyone know why?
posted by Pink Frost at 2:09 AM on June 2, 2019
Oh interesting, I didn't know that about baseball. In cricket they toss a coin and the winner chooses to bat or field first. This can be a huge advantage (e.g. if the weather is overcast, or the pitch very green (lots of grass) it can help the bowlers at the start of the day).
Anyway: surprised to see four blowouts so far. Thought SA might have got closer to England, and before the tournament I figured the West Indies weren't going to be much cop, but after seeing them thrash NZ in a warmup, and then against Pakistan, they look like they might have something.
Strange to realise that when India play South Africa it will be SA's third game, but India's first - some strange scheduling going on. Anyone know why?
posted by Pink Frost at 2:09 AM on June 2, 2019
The fixtures for a given team aren't equally spaced - they vary from 2 to 8 days between games. SA happens to have a "front-heavy" schedule.
posted by Gyan at 3:18 AM on June 2, 2019
posted by Gyan at 3:18 AM on June 2, 2019
Well, the last two games certainly shook things up! Bangladesh and Pakistan both showing what they can do, with both SA and England looking more vulnerable.
Obviously, England (favourites) still can win it, but whether they will win is looking more debatable.
posted by vincebowdren at 2:14 AM on June 4, 2019
Obviously, England (favourites) still can win it, but whether they will win is looking more debatable.
posted by vincebowdren at 2:14 AM on June 4, 2019
Yeah, and another humdinger this morning between Bangladesh and NZ. Tournament starting to look a bit more interesting in some ways, although with SA underperforming that maybe takes one team out of contention already. Which is my main objection to the format - SA played the two favourites quite close together, with another game in between. Whereas NZ starts with spaced out games against the weakest teams in the tourney. I know some of that is inevitable but feel like it could have been spaced more evenly.
Aus-WI in a few hours could be intriguing, see how good the Windies really are.
Highlights: Loved watching Bumrah against SA openers: de Kock edges and is dropped, but next ball Amla is caught, then Faf nearly plays on....some beautiful bowling there. Kane and Ross looking elegant for NZ.
posted by Pink Frost at 12:25 AM on June 6, 2019 [1 favorite]
Aus-WI in a few hours could be intriguing, see how good the Windies really are.
Highlights: Loved watching Bumrah against SA openers: de Kock edges and is dropped, but next ball Amla is caught, then Faf nearly plays on....some beautiful bowling there. Kane and Ross looking elegant for NZ.
posted by Pink Frost at 12:25 AM on June 6, 2019 [1 favorite]
This England batting performance against Afghanistan is starting to feel a bit like USA vs Thailand the other day.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:41 AM on June 18, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:41 AM on June 18, 2019
Afghanistan get a couple of quick wickets! Too little too late, though. And Buttler and Stokes aren’t exactly likely to play defensively.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:46 AM on June 18, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:46 AM on June 18, 2019 [1 favorite]
Sri Lanka!!!! finally an upset in this WC. Well done boys!
posted by OHenryPacey at 10:38 AM on June 21, 2019
posted by OHenryPacey at 10:38 AM on June 21, 2019
India-Afghanistan a bit interesting. 40 overs in, AFG just(!) need the current two to hold on to their wickets and get the run rate up a bit.
posted by biffa at 9:36 AM on June 22, 2019
posted by biffa at 9:36 AM on June 22, 2019
What a finish to both games today!
A hat-trick to end the India-Afghanistan game, and Brathwaite almost pulled it off for the West Indies.
posted by Gyan at 1:45 PM on June 22, 2019
A hat-trick to end the India-Afghanistan game, and Brathwaite almost pulled it off for the West Indies.
posted by Gyan at 1:45 PM on June 22, 2019
Steady the Ship Williamson is batting an average of 186 for the tourney so far. Pretty sure we’d be in a power of shit without him.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:15 PM on June 22, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:15 PM on June 22, 2019 [1 favorite]
Rainy day here in NZ and I watched the whole match on delayed coverage without knowing the result. What a game! Huge swings in fortunes several times throughout, some fantastic play mixed in with some much more ordinary stuff (the Kiwis continually dropping Gayle; followed up by Hortmeyer and Gayle getting out when they were set). Feel incredibly sorry for Braithwaite - like the semi-final in 2015, this is one game that you almost didn't want to win, out of respect for the way the opposition played.
Tournament still going as expected, but a few twists possible. I had South Africa fighting NZ for the 4th semi-final place, but maybe, just maybe there's a bit of pressure on England, from Sri Lanka and even Bangladesh...if either of them can win three games, England will need to win two out of three against the other top teams. Bangladesh to beat Afghanistan, then an Indian team who can afford to rest some players, setting up a huge match against Pakistan, who will have nothing to play for....Sri Lanka with tougher games but not without a chance in any of them, and again face India in the last game....
posted by Pink Frost at 1:01 AM on June 23, 2019 [1 favorite]
Tournament still going as expected, but a few twists possible. I had South Africa fighting NZ for the 4th semi-final place, but maybe, just maybe there's a bit of pressure on England, from Sri Lanka and even Bangladesh...if either of them can win three games, England will need to win two out of three against the other top teams. Bangladesh to beat Afghanistan, then an Indian team who can afford to rest some players, setting up a huge match against Pakistan, who will have nothing to play for....Sri Lanka with tougher games but not without a chance in any of them, and again face India in the last game....
posted by Pink Frost at 1:01 AM on June 23, 2019 [1 favorite]
I was hoping Afghanistan would win today - but happy Bangladesh are continuing to put some pressure on the top four. The next 4 days really do count and not the dead rubbers we thought some of them would be. By my count, only two teams are mathematically out of the competition (Afghanistan and South Africa)...and all 14 remaining games sill could have an impact (though WI v Afghanistan next week is highly likely not to matter unless absolutely everything goes the West Indies' way in the next week)
- If England lose to Australia tomorrow that really puts the heat on them and if so, we could see Sri Lanka draw level on points with England Friday if they get over a deeply wounded SA which seems possible.
- If New Zealand win over Pakistan Wednesday then they are absolutely guaranteed a semi-berth, but its a big game, and if NZ lose they really need to get over England or Australia to be sure - and could easily find them themselves in the last week on 11 points, just hoping Sri Lanka in particular don't pull ahead or their run rate advantage doesn't wilt too much. Pakistan is more than capable of spoiling the NZ party here on Wednesday. And as much as NZ are my team...I don't know how many more last gasp victories we have left in us...
- The Thursday match between India and West Indies should be a cracker. It's not a sure thing for India, and the West Indies still on paper have a (highly unlikely) path to the semi. After the loss to NZ by a matter of inches on the last delivery of the game I hope they are fired up. If WI can get over India, that would leave India under immense pressure before a potentially do or die game with England on Sunday. If both India and England lose this week that Sunday game will be epic.
I really hope South Africa find some more gas in the tank - even though their tournament is over beyond the round robin. Would be a great come back story for them if they can take out Australia in the final game next week.....and maybe help them salvage something before they have to head home and inevitably take a beating.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:37 PM on June 24, 2019 [1 favorite]
- If England lose to Australia tomorrow that really puts the heat on them and if so, we could see Sri Lanka draw level on points with England Friday if they get over a deeply wounded SA which seems possible.
- If New Zealand win over Pakistan Wednesday then they are absolutely guaranteed a semi-berth, but its a big game, and if NZ lose they really need to get over England or Australia to be sure - and could easily find them themselves in the last week on 11 points, just hoping Sri Lanka in particular don't pull ahead or their run rate advantage doesn't wilt too much. Pakistan is more than capable of spoiling the NZ party here on Wednesday. And as much as NZ are my team...I don't know how many more last gasp victories we have left in us...
- The Thursday match between India and West Indies should be a cracker. It's not a sure thing for India, and the West Indies still on paper have a (highly unlikely) path to the semi. After the loss to NZ by a matter of inches on the last delivery of the game I hope they are fired up. If WI can get over India, that would leave India under immense pressure before a potentially do or die game with England on Sunday. If both India and England lose this week that Sunday game will be epic.
I really hope South Africa find some more gas in the tank - even though their tournament is over beyond the round robin. Would be a great come back story for them if they can take out Australia in the final game next week.....and maybe help them salvage something before they have to head home and inevitably take a beating.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:37 PM on June 24, 2019 [1 favorite]
Also, I had to laugh at the BCCI tweet declaring India had "thumped" Afghanistan by 11 runs. To our non-cricket playing US audience - that would be like the New England Patriots tweeting they had thumped the Arizona Cardinals by 3 points after winning by a field goal in overtime.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:47 PM on June 24, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:47 PM on June 24, 2019
Boy does the result today ever put the pressure on England now! It wasn’t close in the end, even after a decent effort by England in restricting Australia.
Got to think Australia are favorites now. England? At real risk now of not making it out of the round robin when hosting like *cough* the 2015 Rugby World Cup *cough*
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:36 AM on June 25, 2019
Got to think Australia are favorites now. England? At real risk now of not making it out of the round robin when hosting like *cough* the 2015 Rugby World Cup *cough*
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:36 AM on June 25, 2019
Indeed - good win by Pakistan today and NZ opening batting once again being found out. Keeps it all very interesting with only one team confirmed so far to the semi finals!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 1:02 PM on June 26, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 1:02 PM on June 26, 2019
As an NZ fan Pakistan always scare me, (I've still got mental scars from Eden Park 1992 and the unloseable match).
This Cricinfo article on the similarities between 1992 and 2019 is wild. Pakistan now gone 7 games with exactly the same results, making a late run to challenge for the semis. Like 1992, the first team to beat NZ. Like 1992, beating England in a crunch game.
My pre-tournament pick had NZ losing to Australia in the semis (because we always do), but an outside pick that we'd somehow find a way to lose to Pakistan. Still on for that! (Though the most likely IMO is probably NZ lose to Australia, Australia beat India in the final).
So tonight India put the West Indies out and almost seal qualification, tomorrow Sri Lanka fight for their lives, and then Saturday we get a straight-up eliminator final between Pakistan and Bangladesh (forza, Tigers!). And then Super Sunday which could confirm the semi-finalists if NZ and England beat Australia and India, or make it super exciting if they both lose. (Thanks to whoever for ensuring that the NZ-Australia crunch match is played in the middle of Sunday night in NZ/Australia, great scheduling).
posted by Pink Frost at 3:00 PM on June 26, 2019 [1 favorite]
This Cricinfo article on the similarities between 1992 and 2019 is wild. Pakistan now gone 7 games with exactly the same results, making a late run to challenge for the semis. Like 1992, the first team to beat NZ. Like 1992, beating England in a crunch game.
My pre-tournament pick had NZ losing to Australia in the semis (because we always do), but an outside pick that we'd somehow find a way to lose to Pakistan. Still on for that! (Though the most likely IMO is probably NZ lose to Australia, Australia beat India in the final).
So tonight India put the West Indies out and almost seal qualification, tomorrow Sri Lanka fight for their lives, and then Saturday we get a straight-up eliminator final between Pakistan and Bangladesh (forza, Tigers!). And then Super Sunday which could confirm the semi-finalists if NZ and England beat Australia and India, or make it super exciting if they both lose. (Thanks to whoever for ensuring that the NZ-Australia crunch match is played in the middle of Sunday night in NZ/Australia, great scheduling).
posted by Pink Frost at 3:00 PM on June 26, 2019 [1 favorite]
Hey looks like South Africa finally turned up!
That was a disappointing Sri Lankan effort and all but takes them out, especially given the large impact to their net run rate - but with a max 10 points now they can end on it seems like it’s not going to be enough.
Normally I’d be agnostic in SA v AU next week, but come on the Proteas!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:49 AM on June 28, 2019
That was a disappointing Sri Lankan effort and all but takes them out, especially given the large impact to their net run rate - but with a max 10 points now they can end on it seems like it’s not going to be enough.
Normally I’d be agnostic in SA v AU next week, but come on the Proteas!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:49 AM on June 28, 2019
This is why Pakistan has a low life expectancy. Fuck me, that was stressful.
posted by tavegyl at 9:56 AM on June 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by tavegyl at 9:56 AM on June 29, 2019 [1 favorite]
Strange decision for Gulbadin to bring himself back in the attack. His was the decisive over where AFG lost it.
posted by Gyan at 11:41 AM on June 29, 2019
posted by Gyan at 11:41 AM on June 29, 2019
Yeah, it was hard to tell what he was thinking, but it was epic poor judgement. It did feel as if the teams were taking it in turns to play against themselves instead of each other.
Fans on both sides behaved shamefully, inside the stadium, outside it and on social media. It seems like there was far less ill will in the Pakistan-India match, though I have my suspicions as to why it flared up for this match, on the Pakistan side at least.
England vs India tomorrow! It'll be fun to watch Pakistanis contort themselves into supporting India against anyone other than Australia, but an Indian victory will bring us closer to the semifinals.
posted by tavegyl at 12:11 PM on June 29, 2019
Fans on both sides behaved shamefully, inside the stadium, outside it and on social media. It seems like there was far less ill will in the Pakistan-India match, though I have my suspicions as to why it flared up for this match, on the Pakistan side at least.
England vs India tomorrow! It'll be fun to watch Pakistanis contort themselves into supporting India against anyone other than Australia, but an Indian victory will bring us closer to the semifinals.
posted by tavegyl at 12:11 PM on June 29, 2019
I have to say this has turned out more interesting than I thought. Seven games to go, only two of them are definitely dead at the moment (the two West Indies games).
Some permutations: Bangladesh with an outside chance of making it through (setting up a superb game against Pakistan, if they can somehow beat India). A straight shootout between England and NZ, because we have to assume Pakistan will beat Bangladesh. Then India-SL, which you would think would be meaningless - but....if NZ beat England, then if India lose, they will play NZ, rather than England or Pakistan, in the semis. And they'd have to want that. Aus v SA then looks meaningless other than pride, but should still be a good one.
Surprised by yesterday's game, really thought England were floundering in this tourney, but that was a fine performance, what I saw of it.
posted by Pink Frost at 1:56 AM on July 1, 2019
Some permutations: Bangladesh with an outside chance of making it through (setting up a superb game against Pakistan, if they can somehow beat India). A straight shootout between England and NZ, because we have to assume Pakistan will beat Bangladesh. Then India-SL, which you would think would be meaningless - but....if NZ beat England, then if India lose, they will play NZ, rather than England or Pakistan, in the semis. And they'd have to want that. Aus v SA then looks meaningless other than pride, but should still be a good one.
Surprised by yesterday's game, really thought England were floundering in this tourney, but that was a fine performance, what I saw of it.
posted by Pink Frost at 1:56 AM on July 1, 2019
That was a rough game to watch. I don't really understand what was going between Dhoni and Jadhav.
posted by ChuraChura at 6:35 AM on July 1, 2019
posted by ChuraChura at 6:35 AM on July 1, 2019
Trying to salvage net run-rate, is my guess. India has a long tail, and I bet they figured that if they go for a win in earnest, they would get out soon and India would ultimately add fewer runs than if they stuck around and played it safe.
posted by Gyan at 6:52 AM on July 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Gyan at 6:52 AM on July 1, 2019 [1 favorite]
Well it’s game on in England v NZ. Good score by England but they were threatening probably 50 more than that around over 30. But NZ hasn’t gotten to 300 in any matches so far - so England still have the advantage. As long as NZ don’t completely mess up the run chase (breathing deeply into a paper bag here) and lose by 150+, my understanding is it would not be possible for Pakistan to beat the NZ run rate and NZ goes through. Boy how important was that first round lopsided win for NZ over Sri Lanka for the run rate....
posted by inflatablekiwi at 6:51 AM on July 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by inflatablekiwi at 6:51 AM on July 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
Watching first few overs - need to find more paper bags to breath into - can we at least get to 150?
posted by inflatablekiwi at 7:29 AM on July 3, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 7:29 AM on July 3, 2019
I'm hearing Pakistan would now need to bat first, and beat Bangladesh by 300+ runs on Friday to make the semi-finals given the run-rate differential with NZ, which seems very unlikely. But, tavegyl, your guys for sure deserve to make the semi's more than we do based on our last three games....
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:10 AM on July 3, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:10 AM on July 3, 2019
Correction: Pakistan will need to bat first and beat Bangladesh by 316 runs to get to the semis. Ugh NZ.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:35 AM on July 3, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:35 AM on July 3, 2019
But... But... in 1992...
But seriously, Pakistan is where we deserve to be in the rankings, and our outrageous loss against the West Indies has come back to haunt us.
It's definitely been a disappointing run for NZ, and the other three teams (Australia, India, England) are looking really dangerous and, I'm afraid, hungrier than NZ. Best of luck, All Blacks...
posted by tavegyl at 11:30 AM on July 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
But seriously, Pakistan is where we deserve to be in the rankings, and our outrageous loss against the West Indies has come back to haunt us.
It's definitely been a disappointing run for NZ, and the other three teams (Australia, India, England) are looking really dangerous and, I'm afraid, hungrier than NZ. Best of luck, All Blacks...
posted by tavegyl at 11:30 AM on July 3, 2019 [1 favorite]
Best of luck, All Blacks...
Indeed - you are right - we should probably forget the cricket right now and think about Japan later in the year for the Rugby World Cup......though that's a whole other pile of paper bags I need to have on hand for breathing into.
(The All Blacks are the NZ's national men's rugby team, the Black Caps are the NZ men's national cricket team - don't even ask about the Tall Blacks, Black Sticks, Iron Blacks, Wheel Blacks etc - our naming scheme needs its own Wikipedia page )
posted by inflatablekiwi at 1:32 PM on July 3, 2019
Indeed - you are right - we should probably forget the cricket right now and think about Japan later in the year for the Rugby World Cup......though that's a whole other pile of paper bags I need to have on hand for breathing into.
(The All Blacks are the NZ's national men's rugby team, the Black Caps are the NZ men's national cricket team - don't even ask about the Tall Blacks, Black Sticks, Iron Blacks, Wheel Blacks etc - our naming scheme needs its own Wikipedia page )
posted by inflatablekiwi at 1:32 PM on July 3, 2019
Huh. I admit, I had never actually noticed there were different names for the different teams despite having probably read "Black Caps" hundreds of times. The force of the All Blacks is strong.
posted by tavegyl at 4:26 PM on July 3, 2019
posted by tavegyl at 4:26 PM on July 3, 2019
Our badminton team tried calling itself the Black Cocks. There were issues.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 4:56 PM on July 3, 2019 [2 favorites]
posted by inflatablekiwi at 4:56 PM on July 3, 2019 [2 favorites]
So, an interesting finish with Australia's charge maybe losing a bit of momentum? India will be glad to be playing NZ, and the English media seems confident that they can beat Australia.
NZ really don't deserve to be where they are - a few more feet from Braithwaite at Old Trafford and we lose to the West Indies; we got a point from the no result against India that we would surely have lost, while Pakistan missed out on the chance to beat Sri Lanka. Hugely disappointing tournament, in spite of making the semis again., and India monstered us 4-1 in NZ at the start of the year, without a full strength team. Still, it's a one-off and anything can happen. Right? Right?
If not us, my favouritism goes to England and then India, in order of the teams who have won the Cup the fewest times (never for England, of course). A final between those two should be quite interesting.
posted by Pink Frost at 2:53 AM on July 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
NZ really don't deserve to be where they are - a few more feet from Braithwaite at Old Trafford and we lose to the West Indies; we got a point from the no result against India that we would surely have lost, while Pakistan missed out on the chance to beat Sri Lanka. Hugely disappointing tournament, in spite of making the semis again., and India monstered us 4-1 in NZ at the start of the year, without a full strength team. Still, it's a one-off and anything can happen. Right? Right?
If not us, my favouritism goes to England and then India, in order of the teams who have won the Cup the fewest times (never for England, of course). A final between those two should be quite interesting.
posted by Pink Frost at 2:53 AM on July 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
Really glad South Africa found some form (albeit far to late) and if Australia goes onto win that result will be even more impressive.
Question for our English/Welsh MeFi's - how big has the tournament been in England/Wales? I know Wimbledon is on and obviously a whole lot of other things in the news but have been surprised how low key it seems to be from an external perspective (just gauged on reading various English new sites).
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:35 AM on July 8, 2019
Question for our English/Welsh MeFi's - how big has the tournament been in England/Wales? I know Wimbledon is on and obviously a whole lot of other things in the news but have been surprised how low key it seems to be from an external perspective (just gauged on reading various English new sites).
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:35 AM on July 8, 2019
Question for our English/Welsh MeFi's - how big has the tournament been in England/Wales?
I think cricket is really feeling the effects of not being broadcast on free TV for 15 years. It’s hard to capture the national imagination if lots of people can’t watch the games. Sky have said they’ll make the final available on terrestrial TV if England get to it, which is a sign of desperation I think.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:05 AM on July 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
I think cricket is really feeling the effects of not being broadcast on free TV for 15 years. It’s hard to capture the national imagination if lots of people can’t watch the games. Sky have said they’ll make the final available on terrestrial TV if England get to it, which is a sign of desperation I think.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:05 AM on July 8, 2019 [1 favorite]
Oh interesting - I hadn't thought about that. Well hopefully England will make the final and it will get on free to air - would be good to share the trophy around anyway as Pink Frost mentioned.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:36 AM on July 8, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 9:36 AM on July 8, 2019
I think cricket is really feeling the effects of not being broadcast on free TV for 15 years.
Yes, I think this is a huge problem in the UK and seriously affected my own experience with cricket. I mean, when I moved to London I came from once being cricket correspondent for a newspaper in Pakistan. In London I couldn't afford the subscription for the first few years. Since I wasn't immersed in a Pakistani expat crowd, everyone around me in London was much more interested in football and had not been immersed in cricket as I had when growing up. So spending multiple hours watching a one day at a pub was isolating. Gradually I drifted away from the sport.
Meanwhile all those innovations kicked in, like the new shorter formats and new leagues etc. When I was in a position to subscribe again, I was never quite able to catch up and renew my interest so I just didn't bother. Now, I make an effort for major tournaments, but usually end up listening to radio or reading online live commentary, keeping a tab on social media, and watching the YouTube highlights, so it's become much more a matter of enjoying the competition and the excitement, rather than appreciating the sport. It's a long, long way from covering India's tour of Pakistan back in 2004.
posted by tavegyl at 11:37 AM on July 8, 2019 [4 favorites]
Yes, I think this is a huge problem in the UK and seriously affected my own experience with cricket. I mean, when I moved to London I came from once being cricket correspondent for a newspaper in Pakistan. In London I couldn't afford the subscription for the first few years. Since I wasn't immersed in a Pakistani expat crowd, everyone around me in London was much more interested in football and had not been immersed in cricket as I had when growing up. So spending multiple hours watching a one day at a pub was isolating. Gradually I drifted away from the sport.
Meanwhile all those innovations kicked in, like the new shorter formats and new leagues etc. When I was in a position to subscribe again, I was never quite able to catch up and renew my interest so I just didn't bother. Now, I make an effort for major tournaments, but usually end up listening to radio or reading online live commentary, keeping a tab on social media, and watching the YouTube highlights, so it's become much more a matter of enjoying the competition and the excitement, rather than appreciating the sport. It's a long, long way from covering India's tour of Pakistan back in 2004.
posted by tavegyl at 11:37 AM on July 8, 2019 [4 favorites]
Ooh, NZ get two quick wickets, this could be tasty.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:19 AM on July 10, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:19 AM on July 10, 2019
5 for 3! India in freefall!
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:20 AM on July 10, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:20 AM on July 10, 2019
That catch by Neesham! Game most definitely on! I was telling myself before we started that maybe if we could nick one or two out early it would put pressure on India and we'd have a tiny chance. But I didn't really believe it, not even thinking we'd get the wickets.
And so no Dhoni? Are they trying to protect him, hope the pitch flattens out and he can prosper at the end of the innings?
posted by Pink Frost at 3:54 AM on July 10, 2019
And so no Dhoni? Are they trying to protect him, hope the pitch flattens out and he can prosper at the end of the innings?
posted by Pink Frost at 3:54 AM on July 10, 2019
NZ had three slips in for a moment there. Love to see it.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:59 AM on July 10, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:59 AM on July 10, 2019
The NZ government has announced its position on Neesham's catch.
posted by Pink Frost at 4:00 AM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Pink Frost at 4:00 AM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
Sixth wicket down… India surely doomed now. If they do come back from this position, it’ll be one hell of an innings from someone.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:20 AM on July 10, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 5:20 AM on July 10, 2019
Well. That was sad.
posted by ChuraChura at 7:10 AM on July 10, 2019
posted by ChuraChura at 7:10 AM on July 10, 2019
*collective stunned expression by most NZ’ers*
Well that happened. I mean, did it really just happen? Let me just look again. Huh - wow. Woah - that throw from Guptill to get MS Dhoni out. I guess we had at least one more miracle left in the tank.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:48 AM on July 10, 2019
Well that happened. I mean, did it really just happen? Let me just look again. Huh - wow. Woah - that throw from Guptill to get MS Dhoni out. I guess we had at least one more miracle left in the tank.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:48 AM on July 10, 2019
Wow. Just got out of my class to look up the match. To quote Pakistani Twitter, truly New Zealand Pakistan bhai bhai (brothers)
posted by tavegyl at 11:28 AM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by tavegyl at 11:28 AM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
To quote Pakistani Twitter, truly New Zealand Pakistan bhai bhai (brothers)
After being lucky to qualify ahead of you (and spoil an India-Pak semi-final, which would surely have been epic) it was the least we could do. Pakistani Twitter was indeed a joy last night, and #blackcaps this morning (enjoying Kane photoshopped into a Pakistan shirt).
Four hours sleep last night, told myself I'd see how we went after 5 overs, and then just couldn't log off. So buzzing right now. That throw from specialist fielder Guptill...
posted by Pink Frost at 1:31 PM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
After being lucky to qualify ahead of you (and spoil an India-Pak semi-final, which would surely have been epic) it was the least we could do. Pakistani Twitter was indeed a joy last night, and #blackcaps this morning (enjoying Kane photoshopped into a Pakistan shirt).
Four hours sleep last night, told myself I'd see how we went after 5 overs, and then just couldn't log off. So buzzing right now. That throw from specialist fielder Guptill...
posted by Pink Frost at 1:31 PM on July 10, 2019 [1 favorite]
Wow - at the end of the first innings, the second semi is shaping up much like the first! What a cracker. Definitely worth tuning in if you are a England or Australia fan. Huge innings ahead.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 6:16 AM on July 11, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 6:16 AM on July 11, 2019
Ok - correction... definitely tune in if you are a England fan.....
posted by inflatablekiwi at 7:58 AM on July 11, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 7:58 AM on July 11, 2019
I wasn't expecting England to whomp quite so enthusiastically on Australia.
posted by ChuraChura at 8:53 AM on July 11, 2019
posted by ChuraChura at 8:53 AM on July 11, 2019
Yeah, they really made it look easy.
I was cautiously optimistic beforehand because rationally this England team ought to be favourite against this Australia team, especially playing at home… but I grew up watching England in the 80s, and I have a deep-seated assumption that they will always find a way to cock it up.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:30 AM on July 11, 2019 [1 favorite]
I was cautiously optimistic beforehand because rationally this England team ought to be favourite against this Australia team, especially playing at home… but I grew up watching England in the 80s, and I have a deep-seated assumption that they will always find a way to cock it up.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 9:30 AM on July 11, 2019 [1 favorite]
241 seems too low, probably, but we’ll have to see if the Kiwi bowlers can make a start like they did against India. Come on England.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 6:49 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 6:49 AM on July 14, 2019
Oof, England get a let-off from the first ball.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 7:16 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 7:16 AM on July 14, 2019
Boult looking really dangerous.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 7:25 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 7:25 AM on July 14, 2019
England keep riding their luck, v. fortunate to only be one wicket down.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:00 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:00 AM on July 14, 2019
Joe Root cracks under pressure… starting to look ominous for England.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:19 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:19 AM on July 14, 2019
Aargh, we’re doomed.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:35 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 8:35 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
The guys on the Alternative Commentary collective are doing the lord’s work today for New Zealand proving completely one sided, biased, ridiculous, and adult rated cricket commentary (also on Radio Hauraki as a Facebook video stream). Go the Black Caps.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:59 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 8:59 AM on July 14, 2019
We're slowly falling off the run rate. Hope denied. It's like being young• all over again.
(•and English)
posted by biffa at 9:52 AM on July 14, 2019
(•and English)
posted by biffa at 9:52 AM on July 14, 2019
Guardian is saying the predictor software is saying England are 69% to win. Difficult to see...
posted by biffa at 10:21 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by biffa at 10:21 AM on July 14, 2019
What a game! 34 from next 3 overs for England to win. Get amongst if you can tune in.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:40 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:40 AM on July 14, 2019
15 needed off the last!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:54 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:54 AM on July 14, 2019
Super over!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 11:04 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 11:04 AM on July 14, 2019
Aaaaaaaaaah
posted by ChuraChura at 11:11 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by ChuraChura at 11:11 AM on July 14, 2019
Respectable 15. Didn't hurt for Stokes to be batting hot.
posted by biffa at 11:16 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by biffa at 11:16 AM on July 14, 2019
That was brutal.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 11:30 AM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 11:30 AM on July 14, 2019
Ben Stokes won it with his 'batting'.
posted by Gyan at 11:33 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
posted by Gyan at 11:33 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
Well done England! Deserving winners (even if it took the NZ born Ben Stokes to do it for you 😉).
But what a game and a great advert for cricket. Really not feeling that bad about it as a NZ fan - was not expecting to to be that close and a few centimeters difference (like Boult’s catch on the boundary rope) and we would have had it
posted by inflatablekiwi at 11:42 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
But what a game and a great advert for cricket. Really not feeling that bad about it as a NZ fan - was not expecting to to be that close and a few centimeters difference (like Boult’s catch on the boundary rope) and we would have had it
posted by inflatablekiwi at 11:42 AM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
It felt like New Zealand were the better team on the day, and England were lucky to scramble their way to a tie (twice!); and I’m not sure that ‘most boundaries’ is the best way of resolving a tie after the super over, rather than, say, least wickets lost in the main innings… but it was an amazing end to a tournament, and it was great to watch it.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 12:45 PM on July 14, 2019 [2 favorites]
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 12:45 PM on July 14, 2019 [2 favorites]
Also: hooray!
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 1:06 PM on July 14, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 1:06 PM on July 14, 2019
I was curious and went and read the tournament rules to see what would have happened if the number of boundaries had been equal in both the main and super-overs. Short version is England would have won as well as, on the “count back rule”, England had the highest score on the last ball of its super-over (4 versus NZ’s single) and hence England would have won on the ball by ball comparison.
Interesting that the number of wickets remaining doesn’t appear in any of the rules around getting a winner if there is a tie (given it is usual to express victory by X number of wickets it just feels odd). Also you’d feel pretty hard done by if you had hit say 10 boundaries (all sixes) in your innings, and then lose because the other team hit 11 boundaries but all of them where fours. England would have easily won in that scenario too - but in some way it almost seems fairer to go on the “sum of boundaries” rather then the “count of boundaries”.
But that’s what I love about this game - Cricket nerds will debate this forever.....my preference would have been you just keep on doing super-overs till a result or one team abandons the field. Come on it’s not like we aren’t used to five day matches.......
posted by inflatablekiwi at 2:46 PM on July 14, 2019
Interesting that the number of wickets remaining doesn’t appear in any of the rules around getting a winner if there is a tie (given it is usual to express victory by X number of wickets it just feels odd). Also you’d feel pretty hard done by if you had hit say 10 boundaries (all sixes) in your innings, and then lose because the other team hit 11 boundaries but all of them where fours. England would have easily won in that scenario too - but in some way it almost seems fairer to go on the “sum of boundaries” rather then the “count of boundaries”.
But that’s what I love about this game - Cricket nerds will debate this forever.....my preference would have been you just keep on doing super-overs till a result or one team abandons the field. Come on it’s not like we aren’t used to five day matches.......
posted by inflatablekiwi at 2:46 PM on July 14, 2019
FUCK ME WHAT WAS THAT
Just got home to watch the highlights online and I cannot believe that boundary off the edge. What a match. What a match.
I don't think much of this boundaries rule, I'd also prefer if super over scores were added to the main score and repeated until a result was reached (whether through scoring more runs or taking two wickets), but here we are. Still, a match for the ages.
posted by tavegyl at 3:29 PM on July 14, 2019 [2 favorites]
Just got home to watch the highlights online and I cannot believe that boundary off the edge. What a match. What a match.
I don't think much of this boundaries rule, I'd also prefer if super over scores were added to the main score and repeated until a result was reached (whether through scoring more runs or taking two wickets), but here we are. Still, a match for the ages.
posted by tavegyl at 3:29 PM on July 14, 2019 [2 favorites]
FUCK ME WHAT WAS THAT
It certainly was a thing. This thread really needs images so we can post a “This is Sparta!” kick meme.
Messenger: This is Blasphemy! This is Madness!
Leonidas: Madness? This is LIMITED OVERS WORLD CUP CRICKET USING PRE-AGREED PLAYING CONDITIONS!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 4:36 PM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
It certainly was a thing. This thread really needs images so we can post a “This is Sparta!” kick meme.
Messenger: This is Blasphemy! This is Madness!
Leonidas: Madness? This is LIMITED OVERS WORLD CUP CRICKET USING PRE-AGREED PLAYING CONDITIONS!
posted by inflatablekiwi at 4:36 PM on July 14, 2019 [1 favorite]
BTW: Tavegyl if you ever resume your career as a cricket correspondent you’ll hook us up with press passes for the next World Cup, right?
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:57 PM on July 14, 2019
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:57 PM on July 14, 2019
Before penalty shoot-outs were invented, they sometimes ended up deciding tied soccer matches on a coin-toss. And honestly, the longer I watch sport, the more that seems as fair a way as any.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 4:46 AM on July 15, 2019
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 4:46 AM on July 15, 2019
BTW: Tavegyl if you ever resume your career as a cricket correspondent you’ll hook us up with press passes for the next World Cup, right?
If you can promise something as exciting, sure...
posted by tavegyl at 12:25 PM on July 16, 2019
If you can promise something as exciting, sure...
posted by tavegyl at 12:25 PM on July 16, 2019
Why count boundaries to determine who wins a World Cup? Here are three better ways
And more facetiously:
Nine better ways of deciding the World Cup winner
posted by tavegyl at 12:27 PM on July 16, 2019 [2 favorites]
And more facetiously:
Nine better ways of deciding the World Cup winner
posted by tavegyl at 12:27 PM on July 16, 2019 [2 favorites]
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