Ms. Marvel: Time and Again
July 6, 2022 4:19 AM - Season 1, Episode 5 - Subscribe
The bangle reveals to Kamala secrets about her family lineage, as well as the truth behind the Veil.
I’ll admit that I had a hard time engaging with the Aisha and Hasan story, as much as Fawad Khan exudes superstardom from every pore. But I got right back with the program when they started to flee towards the train. That was really affective for me. Also, Muneeba is has become my favorite character. The “spyware for parents” exchange was brilliant, as well as her ready acceptance of her daughter’s powers.
posted by Kattullus at 7:32 AM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by Kattullus at 7:32 AM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
Loving this show so far, and very bummed there is only one episode left. Unlike most of the other Disney+ Marvel shows, which felt stretched across too many episodes, it feels like we haven't spent nearly enough time in Kamala's day-to-day teenage world back in New Jersey. The detour to Pakistan has been an unexpected delight, but I also want to to see more of the everyday high schooler-as-superhero stuff. I wish this was a bit more like the pacing of the Netflix Marvel series at 13 episodes (but only this series; 13 episodes of Moon Knight would have been painful).
It's hard to imagine the "The Marvels" movie is really going to spend all that much time in Kamala's world (a shame, as the character is already so much more fleshed out and interesting than Carol Danvers), so I hope this is quickly renewed for a second season. That or I would watch the hell out of a standalone Ms Marvel film.
posted by retrograde at 10:25 AM on July 6, 2022 [12 favorites]
It's hard to imagine the "The Marvels" movie is really going to spend all that much time in Kamala's world (a shame, as the character is already so much more fleshed out and interesting than Carol Danvers), so I hope this is quickly renewed for a second season. That or I would watch the hell out of a standalone Ms Marvel film.
posted by retrograde at 10:25 AM on July 6, 2022 [12 favorites]
I liked the episode, but thought that it seemed short, and it looks like it's the shortest one yet, at 40 minutes (the others have run 47-51 minutes). It also ended pretty abruptly; I'm wondering what Najma transferred to Kamran.
It's hard to imagine the "The Marvels" movie is really going to spend all that much time in Kamala's world (a shame, as the character is already so much more fleshed out and interesting than Carol Danvers), so I hope this is quickly renewed for a second season. That or I would watch the hell out of a standalone Ms Marvel film.
I'm guessing that Brie Larson will make a cameo in the last ep, but I really don't know what connection there will be going forward, if the Kree/Inhuman connection isn't there. (Aside from Kamala being a fan, of course.) Kamala's whole world is way more fleshed out than either Carol's or Monica Rambeau's so far; maybe they'll be starting up an ongoing Marvel Cosmic thing, who knows.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:54 PM on July 6, 2022 [3 favorites]
It's hard to imagine the "The Marvels" movie is really going to spend all that much time in Kamala's world (a shame, as the character is already so much more fleshed out and interesting than Carol Danvers), so I hope this is quickly renewed for a second season. That or I would watch the hell out of a standalone Ms Marvel film.
I'm guessing that Brie Larson will make a cameo in the last ep, but I really don't know what connection there will be going forward, if the Kree/Inhuman connection isn't there. (Aside from Kamala being a fan, of course.) Kamala's whole world is way more fleshed out than either Carol's or Monica Rambeau's so far; maybe they'll be starting up an ongoing Marvel Cosmic thing, who knows.
posted by Halloween Jack at 1:54 PM on July 6, 2022 [3 favorites]
Nanja's shift from "I will kill this entire world to go back" to "okay, yeah, I'll close it" was a bit swift for me.
posted by rmd1023 at 5:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [15 favorites]
posted by rmd1023 at 5:18 PM on July 6, 2022 [15 favorites]
I can never wrap my head around TV/movie time-travel logic, but would be interested to hear from someone who can on whether the whole "stars" thing at the train station is consistent with the MCU version as laid out in Endgame and Loki. It seems to me possibly inconsistent with Endgame's time-travel logic? Or was this not really time travel?
posted by retrograde at 7:31 PM on July 6, 2022
posted by retrograde at 7:31 PM on July 6, 2022
Yeah, as much as I appreciated a Partition story, it sort of felt like the Rift got shortchanged as a result. I'm kind of curious what's left for the final episode. I mean, without being a comic reader, I don't know if Kamran is a good guy, or the magic power that his mom sent to him was what made her eeeeeeeevilllllll and now he's gonna do his own heel turn.
Still, for a Marvel D+ TV series, it was a great ride getting here.
posted by Kyol at 7:40 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
Still, for a Marvel D+ TV series, it was a great ride getting here.
posted by Kyol at 7:40 PM on July 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
Muneeba saying, "And recently, if I have been holding on really tight to you, it is because I am not ready to let you go." makes all of the last two episodes worth every moment.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 9:28 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 9:28 PM on July 6, 2022 [6 favorites]
Yeah that rift conclusion felt very abrupt. The problem is that the villains motivation felt pretty confused. She murdered several people unhesitatingly, abandoned her own son, and then turns on a dime from one speech? It felt a bit sudden and unearnt.
That said outside of that I really enjoyed the episode, and Kamala getting to save her grandmother felt neat enough.
Re: the bangle.. the implication is that being half human half djin allows her to tap into special powers from it that the pure djin could not; does that mean her mum could too?
posted by Cannon Fodder at 9:54 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
That said outside of that I really enjoyed the episode, and Kamala getting to save her grandmother felt neat enough.
Re: the bangle.. the implication is that being half human half djin allows her to tap into special powers from it that the pure djin could not; does that mean her mum could too?
posted by Cannon Fodder at 9:54 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
Iman Vellani is so adorable I can hardly stand it. The faces she makes when she's trying to deal with the train scene--part sad, part scared, part determined, part "Oh, I guess I've got to be a big girl now,"--is so much like faces I've seen my daughters make in tough situations that I want to give her a hug.
posted by straight at 11:03 AM on July 7, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by straight at 11:03 AM on July 7, 2022 [4 favorites]
does that mean her mum could too?
I'm guessing maybe, or maybe she could've at some point but may or may not be able to now. I think one of the things going on in the grandmother/mother/Kamala relationships is the way Kamala's mother has rejected things from her grandmother and her heritage that Kamala has been accepting. I don't know how much her mother being able to heal old relationship wounds would be mirrored in whether or not she can accessing djinn abilities.
posted by rmd1023 at 11:05 AM on July 7, 2022
I'm guessing maybe, or maybe she could've at some point but may or may not be able to now. I think one of the things going on in the grandmother/mother/Kamala relationships is the way Kamala's mother has rejected things from her grandmother and her heritage that Kamala has been accepting. I don't know how much her mother being able to heal old relationship wounds would be mirrored in whether or not she can accessing djinn abilities.
posted by rmd1023 at 11:05 AM on July 7, 2022
The problem is that the villains motivation felt pretty confused. She murdered several people unhesitatingly, abandoned her own son, and then turns on a dime from one speech? It felt a bit sudden and unearnt.
It was sudden in kind of the same bizarre way that she switched from having her son spend days befriending Kamala to "Help us *now* or I kill everyone." So maybe consistent characterization? Maybe Djinni are just kinda like that?
posted by straight at 11:06 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
It was sudden in kind of the same bizarre way that she switched from having her son spend days befriending Kamala to "Help us *now* or I kill everyone." So maybe consistent characterization? Maybe Djinni are just kinda like that?
posted by straight at 11:06 AM on July 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
Not related directly to Ms. Marvel, but rather to the larger issue of Disney + shows: Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio Join Marvel Studios' Echo on Disney+. This is mildly surprising, but less so than the note that Disney has ordered another season of Daredevil.
I like Matt Murdoch's chances for an appearance in She-Hulk now.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 12:17 PM on July 7, 2022 [4 favorites]
I like Matt Murdoch's chances for an appearance in She-Hulk now.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 12:17 PM on July 7, 2022 [4 favorites]
The quick switch on Najma's part on closing the rift made me think she has an idea of how to use Kamran to reopen the rift and possibly enter it without dying. Hence her transfer to him.
No idea if that's what's going to happen, but it makes more sense to me that Kamala's speech gave her an idea to get what she wants than that it changed her desires.
posted by the primroses were over at 1:28 PM on July 7, 2022 [6 favorites]
No idea if that's what's going to happen, but it makes more sense to me that Kamala's speech gave her an idea to get what she wants than that it changed her desires.
posted by the primroses were over at 1:28 PM on July 7, 2022 [6 favorites]
I can't believe she just gave up and sacrificed herself out of nowhere. She did indeed transfer her own spirit to Kamran somehow, right? Hence his sudden purple glowing eyes? We see him at the end of the episode apparently being himself, except with powers now. But I assume she's riding in there and can take over in time to fight Kamala in the climax, and can either reconstitute her own body or is just okay being a young man now.
posted by Naberius at 1:35 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Naberius at 1:35 PM on July 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Yeah, about those fist missiles that Kamran fired off at the Damage Control drone... did Najma have that ability? I thought one needed the bangle to do the solid light trick.
posted by mumkin at 7:09 PM on July 7, 2022
posted by mumkin at 7:09 PM on July 7, 2022
I really enjoyed most of this but I don't get what happened at the end.
Loved Aisha and Hasan. Adorbs.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:32 AM on July 8, 2022 [3 favorites]
Loved Aisha and Hasan. Adorbs.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:32 AM on July 8, 2022 [3 favorites]
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It's nice to see Kamala and her mother coming to some understanding between them.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:29 AM on July 6, 2022 [1 favorite]