Andor: Rix Road
November 23, 2022 1:35 AM - Season 1, Episode 12 - Subscribe

The fugitive Cassian returns home to Ferrix, a tinderbox ready for the spark of rebellion.
posted by EndsOfInvention (81 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite
 
** There's a post-credit sequence **

Wow. Emotional. Brutal.

Thoughts off the top of my head:
- Was Luthen pleased or horrified with what he's created? Rebellion followed by a brutal crackdown is exactly what he's been trying to trigger all this time.
- Mon planting the idea that her financial problems were down to Perrin's gambling - while also doing the dirty deal to cover the 400k - was clever.
- Little disappointed Karn saved Meero, mainly because neither of them died. She's a great villain though, not sad she'll stick around for season 2.
- I liked that the viewer wasn't in on the funeral plans (much larger attendance, early start). We only knew as much as the principal characters.
- Another great speech, this time by Maarva.
- Post-credit bit: a few people called this. Great visual.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 1:43 AM on November 23 [8 favorites]


Hah! Could there be any finer use for one’s mortal remains than braining a fascist?

Also: Good grief, Syril isn’t going to be any less creepy next season, is he? After all, he selflessly rescued the beautiful-but-deadly damsel in distress, just like the heroic stormtroopers in the cheap holo-novels he used to view at recess! Surely he’s a hero now, right? Right?
posted by Mr. Excellent at 1:45 AM on November 23 [16 favorites]


I was sure the kid would be a suicide bomber and thought Wow, that’s really dark for Disney!do we even know who the kid is?

We win by saving what we love, just like Cassian saved his friends. That was a really nice moment. Also I am in love with Brasso and would follow him anywhere. What a guy!

It’s too bad Luthen and Maarva never met; they would get on like peas and carrots.

I am more convinced than ever that Cinta killed the hostages on Aldhani. She’s just that cold. Also I love that she rumbled the ISB spy right away.
posted by orrnyereg at 1:59 AM on November 23 [12 favorites]


do we even know who the kid is?

He's Wilmon the son of Salman Paak, the guy who was tortured and executed by the ISB just before Bix was taken prisoner. He owned the scrap yard where Bix used the secret radio to talk to Luthen.

It’s too bad Luthen and Maarva never met; they would get on like peas and carrots.

I wonder if Maarva's speech affected Luthen at all - it seemed like it did. Maybe that helped him decide to recruit her son.

Also I love that she rumbled the ISB spy right away.

I cheered when she did him in.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:08 AM on November 23 [13 favorites]


A great finale. What I loved is that both Dedra's and Luthen's plans went astray because they didn't fully understand the place they were in and the people that make it the place it is - a shout-out for localism in a globalising era.
posted by domdib at 2:08 AM on November 23 [15 favorites]


A More Civilised Age seems to have got hold of one of the ep12 screeners that were sent out last week because they just dropped their (3.5hr lmao) latest episode...

A More Civilized Age - Andor ep 12
Surprise! Thanks to a very kind mystery contact with their own very kind mystery contacts inside of Lucasfilm (and/or Disney Plus), we were given last minute screener access to the Andor finale. And you better believe we hustled to watch it, prep our notes, and deliver the longest episode of our Andor season and one of the longest episodes we've ever recorded.

Come for our emotional reactions to the return of voices we'd thought we'd heard the last of. Stay for our dive into 2000s-era anarchist philosophy. And then rate us five stars for all the time we dedicate to talking about our very favorite absolutely rotten relationships.

ALSO: As a special bonus for our Patrons, we recorded our own live reactions when we group watched this episode together. Go to patreon.com/civilized, support us at the $5 level, and you can hear each of our exuberant pop offs, our surprised gasps, our wavering voices, and our howls for the most rancid of love stories.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:29 AM on November 23 [3 favorites]


Side note: Why are the Disney+ episode summaries so clunky? I always end up spending a minute trying to rephrase it so it reads better.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:43 AM on November 23


I went over to the only friend here in Helsinki who’s been watching Andor, and we just sat and watched it and we were so fucking happy that the show didn’t fluff its lines.

Though, like many viewers, I wanted Karn to die stupidly, but him having a heroic moment in the service of evil is probably a better end to his arc.

Other than that, just everything was great. I was in tears during the funeral, and felt ready to riot myself after the speech.

What a show.

What a show!
posted by Kattullus at 3:03 AM on November 23 [4 favorites]


It will be *very* interesting to see how this affects Meero’s career (outstanding acting from Gough when she was rescued; and also creepily effective from Soller).
posted by domdib at 3:43 AM on November 23 [2 favorites]


Also, I loved the shift in musical gears from the funeral band - both great tunes.
posted by domdib at 3:45 AM on November 23 [8 favorites]


Ahhhh the funeral band! So good!
posted by EndsOfInvention at 3:57 AM on November 23 [6 favorites]


I sat through three seasons of Killing Eve hoping to see Fiona Shaw hit someone that hard.
posted by MarchHare at 4:21 AM on November 23 [11 favorites]


The patience this show displays is incredibly refreshing.
posted by hototogisu at 5:01 AM on November 23 [13 favorites]


Long live Ferrix! I did like how the raid on Spellhaus was so briefly dealt with after it had been built up in the last episode.
posted by inflatablekiwi at 5:14 AM on November 23 [3 favorites]


The ability of this show to create tension!

- Was Luthen pleased or horrified with what he's created? Rebellion followed by a brutal crackdown is exactly what he's been trying to trigger all this time

It's what he wants, but has he ever been there to witness it before? And now we know why Maarva's death was off-screen - so that we could get the equivalent of her Force ghost inciting the Rebellion. And Andor doesn't even listen to her; as Brasso passes along, he already knows what he needs to know.

There's parallels here with "the Eye" in terms of using local ritual as cover for infiltration, but here the ritual extends to attacking the Imperial presence.

And dear God they've kept a thousand ships afloat with Karn I think...not at all what I expected for him.
posted by nubs at 5:18 AM on November 23 [6 favorites]


And before I get deep into AMCA - I don’t think Andor gets seen by either the ISB or Luthen’s cell until he decides to be seen. And while Dedra and her little spy can’t seem to figure out how to dress like a local, neither can Luthen.
posted by nubs at 6:34 AM on November 23 [4 favorites]


Such a great job showing the riot/battle as chaotic and messy.

I am probably in the minority for finding the post credit scene annoying. One of the things I loved about this show was its subtlety and avoidance of hammy connecting of dots. Too much of modern Star Wars has become about self-referential connecting of all the things to all the other things. It makes it feel small.

I would rather have never known what the widgets they were building were for.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:38 AM on November 23 [1 favorite]


I dunno, I liked the choice of the post-credits scene. Good harrowing reminder of the stakes.

But I will like it more if season 2 spends time on Alderaan. I really really want that to happen.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 6:50 AM on November 23 [3 favorites]


I'm astonished at how great this season was. It was an amazing story in its own right, and it enriches the fabric of Star Wars as a whole and Rogue One in particular.

One thing that always bothered me in Rogue One is that Andor has Galen Erso, his assassination target, in his sights but doesn't pull the trigger. In the moment, it just feels so unmotivated and contrived.

But now we know: Cassian's whole raison d'etre for joining the Rebellion is mixed up in grief for his mother, his search for a lost sister, and a determination to save what he loves, honoring Maarva and Nemik.

Five years later, when he trains his rifle on Galen Erso–– a symbolic echo of his own father, who was also gunned down, and the literal father of his symbolic sister Jyn Erso––and with his mother's dying words ringing in his ears, he follows the better angels of his nature.

Yoda: Do or do not, there is no try.
Nemik: One single thing will break the siege. Remember this: try.

Tony Gilroy isn't just making the plot line up in terms of incident; he's plotting this whole thing psychologically and thematically, too. Give him all the Star Wars, please.
posted by reclusive_thousandaire at 7:03 AM on November 23 [19 favorites]


I don't think we needed the post-credits reveal but this show does a good job of leaving some mysteries unexplained/questions unanswered, and if we had to have one thing answered at the end, I don't mind it being something relatively innocuous.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 8:19 AM on November 23 [5 favorites]


Tony Gilroy is writing his own Syril/Dedra crackfic, and I am here for it.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:56 AM on November 23 [4 favorites]


I think this show has more than earned the post credits scene, especially since it was short, dialogue-free and was a chance for Gilroy to get a gorgeous “2001: A Space Odyssey” shot in.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 9:02 AM on November 23 [10 favorites]


What an episode! I do love how pretty much all of the genre-informed guesses about what might happen were wrong, mine included. This show moved ahead with its premise--a thousand resentments congealing into a rebellion--and didn't need to "reveal" that two characters were related, one was secretly a Jedi and another had faked their death.

The symbolism of Dedra being torn apart by a mob of angry, unnamed proles would have been wonderful. I thought they were going there for a minute.

I wasn't completely sold on the final scene with Cassien and Luthen; that more than anything felt like a need to tie things up into a larger plot. And I repeat that Luthen flying to Ferrix to personally kill a potential informer is horrible op sec, doubling his risk of exposure.

Was Luthen pleased or horrified with what he's created?

The answer is obviously yes. This is what he needs to work towards, and he knows it's terrible. A sunless place.
posted by mark k at 9:12 AM on November 23 [6 favorites]


Re Luthen and Dedra not blending in: exactly, they underestimate or even ignore the cultural specifics, whereas Syril and Mosk do a better job, while Cassian is “in his element” - the power of the local.

Dedra gambled on Cassian showing and he ghosted past her while rescuing Bix. I wonder what Partagaz will say?

(Also, great that B2EMO made it, as well as Brasso 😀 and who would have thought that Pegla was going to be such an ally at need?)
posted by domdib at 9:13 AM on November 23 [7 favorites]


I wonder what Partagaz will say?

Potentially a huge black eye for Dedra, whose selling point is her competence. She ran this mission, allowed the crowd to gather, overruled all alternatives, and came out with nothing.
posted by mark k at 9:16 AM on November 23 [10 favorites]


who would have thought that Pegla was going to be such an ally at need?

And those dumb dogs!

I would love to see Luthen's reaction to finding out where Cassian has been "hiding" these past 6 weeks.
posted by orrnyereg at 9:37 AM on November 23 [4 favorites]


And I repeat that Luthen flying to Ferrix to personally kill a potential informer is horrible op sec, doubling his risk of exposure.

It is, but I think this is one of the things to know about Luthen - while he gave Lonni the big "sunless place" speech, he isn't as dead inside as he pretends to be. There are cracks there, he has trouble letting go (even when he should), and I think after the decision to leave Kreegyr to his fate he needed to be doing something other than hiding in his shop listening to the radio. Going to Ferrix was perhaps a need to reconnect at a personal level with what he is doing - not just sending people off to die for his cause from a remote place. Also, and this is a personal reflection, I work in social work, and many many years ago I met a colleague who worked in palliative care at the Children's Hospital. We talked about her work and how difficult it was to work with families facing the loss of a child, and also how she dealt with her own grief. And she shared that how she managed that was not to go to every funeral, but to go to 2-3 a year and mourn them all. I wonder if Maarva's funeral was a chance for him to process some grief as well, and to have a moment to feel part of a community, however fleeting.

Now, Luthen got more than what he expected out of the moment, including Andor as a member of the cause.

Potentially a huge black eye for Dedra, whose selling point is her competence. She ran this mission, allowed the crowd to gather, overruled all alternatives, and came out with nothing.

Even worse than that, she lost the prisoner who could identify Axis. But on the plus side, she has Karn now? Maybe next year they are a sad sack couple feeling they've been wronged somehow.
posted by nubs at 9:50 AM on November 23 [11 favorites]


I don't think we needed the post-credits reveal but this show does a good job of leaving some mysteries unexplained/questions unanswered, and if we had to have one thing answered at the end, I don't mind it being something relatively innocuous.

I'm in the same place - it's an innocuous reveal in terms of story development, but in a Star Wars show, it is something that will make a certain portion of the fan base go apeshit. I think it would be interesting to see if the clips of Maarva's speech or Nemik's treatise (when they show up) get anywhere near the engagement of the post-credits "reveal" (which already has YT clips).
posted by nubs at 11:15 AM on November 23 [2 favorites]


What a fantastic end for this season. I was wondering how they were going to land it. The show trades on the messiness and ugly compromises in a rebellion and if it ended too neatly it would have felt wrong. This ended with as much grit and awfulness as it needed. And some hope! Maarva's speech was fantastic.

I loved the bit of Syril becoming the White Knight to rescue Dedra. Combined with his sad sack origin story and we're one unanswered text message away from the full incel culture trifecta.

Loved the space flute procession. The design and the music itself, the tension as they marched through the streets, the shift from a dirge to a relentless march of power. Between this and the space bagpipes in Dune it's been a good year for scifi marching bands.
posted by Nelson at 12:02 PM on November 23 [7 favorites]


My only disappointment is that it tied up almost too neatly; I wonder if they anticipated not getting renewed.
posted by andrewdoull at 12:42 PM on November 23


I love how this show foregrounds the background and backgrounds the foreground.

The entire cast is maneuvered to a single spot, so before watching I was naturally expecting some kind of confused giant ass multipolar showdown with rebels and imps both gunning for Andor, and the funeral as a colorful backdrop.

But no, the funeral is center stage, the main characters are peripheral to it. None of them can execute their missions -- its too chaotic -- except for Andor, who takes advantage of the chaos to rescue Bix. Everyone else is an observer or a victim.

The Ferrix funeral kind of rhymes with the Aldani Eye: both ride on the tension between Imperial and local practice, although the Eye was much more backgrounded than the funeral was.

I've been trying to sell this show to Mrs. Sauce -- I am the star wars geek in the Sauce family, and she kinda punched out after the ill-conceived Fett and the watchable but completely inessential Obi-Wan. She was watching with me inattentively but at one point it got her attention and she asked "hey, are the Imperials fighting a funeral here?" Might have hooked her.

My pre-Andor thesis about Star Wars TV was that the most special thing it does is set-piece fights between interesting and unexpected opponents: in Mandalorian you had Mando vs. Jawas and seven samurai villagers vs. AT-ST, in Rebels you had the astonishing Sith/Inquisitor/Jedi/Maul/ex-Jedi/apprentice furball of Twilight of the Apprentice . Even the beknighted Fett had Firespray vs. Sarlaac and Fett vs. kitchen staff droids.

To me, Andor is not just great TV but also great Star Wars because it's doing exactly the same thing as its TV predecessors. Only difference is that Gilroy has a bigger and more interesting toybox than Filoni and Favreau: his contains funerals and riot cops and electrified floors and wrenches. (and I say this as a big fan of a lot of the F&F work!)

the other thing I love about this show is how credible and hooky it is emotionally. B2EMO and Kino are superstars; their emotional journeys are credible, their jeopardies feel real, and their big moments are fist-pumpers. Mon Mothma's agony is real. Perrin Mothma's indignation at Mothma's gambling accusations feel real -- and what a neat turn to take this unsympathetic goofball and turn him into just another chip in Mothma's stake. Vel runs into a war zone and I'm pretty sure the reason she's doing that is because she's got hope of catching Cinta on the flipside of the op and scoring some together time. Cinta's "rich girl running away from her family" is such a great one-liner about the asymmetries of their relationship. I could go on and on.
posted by Sauce Trough at 12:45 PM on November 23 [14 favorites]


Also I love that she rumbled the ISB spy right away.

Well, I would think so, she's been keeping an eye on him for half the season....
posted by Pendragon at 1:21 PM on November 23


oh, forgot one word in my star wars thesis:

"the most special thing it does is set-piece fights between interesting, unexpected, and asymmetric opponents."
posted by Sauce Trough at 1:40 PM on November 23 [6 favorites]


God damn, what a finale! The tense build up to the funeral, the pure visceral nature of the battle. I’m not sure I’ve seen explosions like that on TV or even film for a long time, certainly not on Star Wars – no cheesy fireball, just shrapnel and glass scything out. And the fighting… absolutely brutal.

I appreciated that the post-credits scene wasn’t very important, but I loved its sense of style. We’ve seen the Death Star so many times it’s boring now, but to have the lens appear deconstructed and funnelling into the moon – what a shot. The people behind this show manage to make everything in Star Wars seem so much cooler and more stylish.
posted by adrianhon at 1:45 PM on November 23 [3 favorites]


I think this show has more than earned the post credits scene

For 12 episodes, we've seen the rebellion at ground level—dirty, grinding, and morally grey. The characters struggle to understand whether the ugliness and sacrifice were worth it.

In this episode, we hear "one single thing will break the siege." Then the post-credits scene zooms up (climb!) to show Star Wars at the Luke Skywalker level—clean, bloodless, and morally black-and-white. Almost childlike.

I think the show has definitely earned it.
posted by PlusDistance at 2:19 PM on November 23 [4 favorites]


In this episode, we hear "one single thing will break the siege."

"There will be times when the struggle seems impossible. I know this already. Alone, unsure, dwarfed by the scale of the enemy. Remember this: freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly throughout the galaxy. There are whole armies, battalions, that have no idea that they've already enlisted in the cause. Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere, and even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

And then remember this: the Imperial need for control is so desperate because it so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks. It leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this: the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance, will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority, and then there will one too many. One single thing will break the siege.

Remember this: try."

What I love about this is that it's a call to action with the point being that your action might just be the one that is the one too many, the one that tips the balance - and if it isn't, it's adding to the flood that while bring down the Empire. That you can't know what is happening in the next system, the next planet, the next floor of your prison, but that taking that action increases the pressure and keeps it building until control is no longer possible.

I personally really like how the post credits scene aligns with the "dwarfed by the scale of the enemy" piece.
posted by nubs at 2:59 PM on November 23 [21 favorites]


My only disappointment is that it tied up almost too neatly; I wonder if they anticipated not getting renewed.

I think they always planned for 2 seasons, but the next one - as far as I am aware - jumps forward 4-ish years as it leads into the events of Rogue One. So it needed to tie up the main threads in a way that they were set for that jump.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 3:04 PM on November 23 [1 favorite]


JWST after seeing the post-credit: are we the baddies?

I wonder if Luthen wants Dedra dead or wants to play her somehow in a way he did with Kreegyr.
posted by dogstoevski at 3:06 PM on November 23


I just finished binge-watching the whole season. I absolutely loved it.

Unless I missed something subtle, there was no mention of the Force or the use of lightsabers, or Jedi or Sith, anywhere. And I think the show was all the stronger for their absence.
posted by JohnFromGR at 3:29 PM on November 23 [8 favorites]


I wonder if Luthen wants Dedra dead or wants to play her somehow in a way he did with Kreegyr.

Luthen is a manipulator: I think he would rather know who is acting at ISB, and through their actions (and Lonni) learn how to work around them, than have to start from scratch with another rising supervisor.

*

This was SO GOOD. So good. I'm surprised none of the major characters died, actually: I figured at least someone important would go. Instead we lost minor characters like Corv and Nurchi.

I do wonder what information Nurchi thought he had to sell: that Andor was back? The Imps knew that was gonna happen. And then he got himself blowed up anyway.

It was interesting to learn that Luthen honestly did plan to kill Andor; they had kept that a bit ambiguous for a while.

So will Brasso, Jezz, and Bix start a rebel cell somewhere? Or just find a new scrapyard?

The aftermath on Ferrix is going to be brutal. And I do wonder if Meero will convince herself that Andor was Axis?

Loved the stormtrooper getting kicked off the tower by the Time Wrangler.
posted by suelac at 4:31 PM on November 23 [4 favorites]


I do wonder what information Nurchi thought he had to sell: that Andor was back?

Nurchi had figured out that Andor was watching the funeral from the tower (although he'd escaped into the tunnels by the time Dedra arrived).
posted by EndsOfInvention at 4:46 PM on November 23 [1 favorite]


Loved the stormtrooper getting kicked off the tower by the Time Wrangler.

The guy in the bell tower is, of course, played by Neil Bell.
posted by Gary at 5:35 PM on November 23 [2 favorites]


Just a thought: Andor reminds me less of Star Wars and more of Children of Men.
posted by MarchHare at 5:44 PM on November 23 [15 favorites]


The guy in the bell tower

The Time Grappler
posted by 1970s Antihero at 5:48 PM on November 23 [4 favorites]


I just read the entry for the Time Wrangler posted above. They state the anvil is made of Beskar steel, which makes sense as I noticed the surface sheen had those whirls on it just like in “The Mandalorian”. I’m guessing that in this particular point in the history it’s more easily obtainable because there must be a shit ton of it in that anvil.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:48 PM on November 23


Do not ask for whom the Time Grappler defenstrates; he defenstrates for thee
posted by nubs at 6:04 PM on November 23 [18 favorites]


The only sort of head scratching I had about the post-credits scene is it suggests that the death star is pretty frickin' close to being done. Indeed, we see them putting the dish into place in Rogue One, so somewhere between now and then (4 years-ish? say?), the rebellion is all kitted out in corellian cruisers & whatnot. Or maybe the rebellion is already gathering gear on Yavin, waiting for the first time they'll need it, and Luthen & his cells are where the rebellion interacts the most with "civil society" and even the Empire? Hrm.

I guess I need to go over to Wookiepedia to figure out where Cassian's childhood and Jyn's childhood line up with the formation of the Empire.

But all that aside, this was absolutely the finest bit of premium television this season. Rings was nice enough and the Dragons were dragon-y, but Star Wars can be _great_ when it's firing on all cylinders.
posted by Kyol at 6:53 PM on November 23 [2 favorites]


Based on her final speech, i wonder: is this series named after Cassian ... or Maarva?
posted by jazon at 7:04 PM on November 23 [14 favorites]


Kyol — there’s supposed to be a time jump for season 2. Guessing the end credits scene is part of that
posted by nathan_teske at 7:15 PM on November 23


Cheered like we scored a goal in the Stanley Cup final at Dedra getting bricked, and several other times. It’s good she’ll be around for the second season though, such a great character.

Fuck, what an episode. This team really knows how to build tension and release.

I was wrong about Luthen going soft on Cassian. Happy to be, because the show is consistently better than my imagination. Should probably give up trying to guess where it’s going to go next season but I know won’t be able to.
posted by rodlymight at 7:27 PM on November 23 [2 favorites]


So the tunnel Andor hides in and uses to get into the hotel...that's the one Maarva was checking out when she got hurt, right? The one she thought the Rebellion could use to sneak into the hotel?
posted by nubs at 9:18 PM on November 23 [12 favorites]


A friend pointed out the unique musical arrangements each episode had for the main title reveal/melody. Soaring and ‘rebel-y’ for the first episode, getting gradually darker over the series. By episode 12, it foreshadows the funeral dirge.

So much thought went into this show.
posted by FallibleHuman at 9:43 PM on November 23 [5 favorites]


Did Brasso headbutt... a helmeted stormtrooper?

I felt like Gilroy's writing wasn't quite as pitch perfect this episode, but perhaps that's because he raised the bar so high with all the others.

And now I have to wait until 2024 for season two. I'll definitely be watching Rogue One this weekend.
posted by gwint at 9:52 PM on November 23 [4 favorites]


Eight movies to watch after finishing 'Andor' (As you might expect, they're not scifi movies, but rather primarily anti-fascist ones)
posted by gwint at 10:03 PM on November 23 [16 favorites]


The symbolism of Dedra being torn apart by a mob of angry, unnamed proles would have been wonderful. I thought they were going there for a minute.

I really thought they were going to kill her, and -- though I'm not particularly inflamed with hatred for Dedra yet -- I was disappointed she survived. Ultimately the finale's victories are the survival of Cassian's friends after very publicly doing violence to the Empire (I'm genuinely shocked Brasso made it out, much less the son with the IED) and Cassian signing up with the rebellion. Now, I'm sure they have something neat planned for Dedra next season. But if the show wanted to deliver another plausible victory, it's that the brilliant analyst who catalyzed so much of this season's action could be killed in a moment's miscalculation of a righteous mob. The untouchable figures who operate the machinery of the Empire only need one bad day to become a lot more vulnerable. (And the Empire might miss her talent, but would never really feel the loss!)

Otherwise, excellent episode. It's wild how little of Cassian there was -- he was in plenty of scenes, but the episode starred Ferrix.
posted by grandiloquiet at 10:15 PM on November 23 [4 favorites]


Loved it! Still no news on Andor's sister though, I guess they're saving that for a future season... just hope there is one, as this is the best Star War I've seen in ages.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 12:53 AM on November 24


My favorite part was when Maarva tells the people listening that they've been asleep while their freedom trickled away, but now it's time for that to end—it's time to fight, to become a woke mob of antifascists, and bash some stormtrooper heads in.

This is what Star Wars has always been about—it's nice to see that somebody remembers.
posted by The Tensor at 1:15 AM on November 24 [6 favorites]


Ah FallibleHuman, I came into the thread to post this too - a good friend who is something of a musical prodigy pointed this out to me. I hadn't noticed the layering going on each episode until she pointed it out and then, sure enough, in episode 12 it is revealed as the funeral march.

It's such a good validation (if any were needed) that all the elements were aligned in making a joined up finale.

I had said to her I would riot if B was wrecked. As it turned out, I felt like rioting anyway after Maarva's speech.
posted by Molesome at 1:19 AM on November 24 [5 favorites]


A YouTube playlist of all the main opening title theme variations in Season 1 of Andor.
posted by skoosh at 6:45 AM on November 24 [6 favorites]


I'd completely missed the evolution of the opening title music as I'd almost always skipped over it...
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:56 AM on November 24 [3 favorites]


I hadn't been tuned into it until I read about it on FanFare, so I'm glad someone put together a playlist so people like us can hear that evolution.
posted by skoosh at 7:59 AM on November 24


I know I kept wondering why the "Skip Intro" button kept dropping me into the opening title music until it got mentioned either here or maybe on AMCA; I was always too anxious to get to the show!
posted by nubs at 8:42 AM on November 24 [2 favorites]


I made a bunch of screen grabs of the funeral procession band. Love the musical instruments, someone in the prop department had a lot of fun. My favorite is the second picture, the 3 barrelled flute. I'd love to see a quick video edit which was just the music. Might not work very well though, there's a lot of cuts and it's not a continuous bit of music. Also it's really just one musical phrase repeated (and then another, when the march starts.)
posted by Nelson at 9:16 AM on November 24


Vulture: Exit Interview with Tony Gilroy. Meaty interview talking about many production and plot details. Including a clear answer to the burning question "Were the shots of Syril eating spherical cereal a Death Star clue?"
posted by Nelson at 10:41 AM on November 24 [2 favorites]


I think maybe I prefer the original intro music from 1975
posted by Molesome at 11:12 AM on November 24 [4 favorites]


This was absolutely tremendous. I hope that they can continue to have a mix of Star Wars projects at different levels like this, and we have avoided the future where everything was spun out of The Mandalorian. (Which I still appreciate, but The Book of Boba Fett convinced me would be a grim fate.)
posted by jimw at 11:17 AM on November 24 [1 favorite]


From the interview, on Kino not being able to swim:

For Kino, what’s better than that line? And what’s better than realizing that he’s known that all day long?

When I rewatched that episode, that was exactly what I was thinking: Kino knows he can't swim; he knows how this ends for him. It's why he starts the day "dead already". It's why he stays on the floor when they are about to spark it, and the look on his face afterwards says it all - he didn't expect to live through the first few minutes of the attempt.
posted by nubs at 12:37 PM on November 24 [5 favorites]


I loved this but I was confused the whole time about what Cassian was up to. Why did he come back? Who did he want to see or talk to? What did he want to do? Did he accomplish those things? It seemed like whatever his original purpose was he dropped it to rescue Bix?

Did Cassian know about the funeral plans and use that knowledge to plan the rescue? Was the funeral procession planned in part to enable Cassian's rescue attempt? Did anyone but the bomber know about the bomb? Or was it all just chaos and people improvising their best in reaction to the chaos?
posted by straight at 1:37 PM on November 24 [1 favorite]


I mean… Cassian came back to be at the funeral of the mother he loved. I don’t think there’s any mystery about why he would want to return home.

I don’t believe that there was some grand revolt planned, but when Cassian learned Bix was imprisoned, he made it his mission to rescue her and he took advantage of all the chaos to make that work.
posted by adrianhon at 2:54 PM on November 24 [10 favorites]


I am probably in the minority for finding the post credit scene annoying. One of the things I loved about this show was its subtlety and avoidance of hammy connecting of dots. Too much of modern Star Wars has become about self-referential connecting of all the things to all the other things. It makes it feel small.


Counterpoint: Cassian built those bits of the Deathstar. The Deathstar that kills him.
He helped make the thing that kills him.


Did anyone else catch the parallels when Luthen hopped on his speederbike and popped his hood up and roared off into the distance? Very Darth-Maul-on-Tattoine for me.
posted by coriolisdave at 2:58 PM on November 24 [2 favorites]


You FLIP b2emo?

I'm sad the season's over. I want more.

I love that it seems Mon Mothma just made up a gambling accusation against her shitty husband in order to set up a smokescreen for her banking problems. Poor guy! Also, fuck him lol.

Overall though I wish there had been another ratchet tighter of something happening; after setting up for the payoff of all the pieces coming together, it felt like a bit of a fizzle. It wasn't bad. It did what it needed to. In any case, I like to see my blorbos running around, and I liked it but didn't love it. I think especially I wanted more of a payoff for Vel who they kept showing like she might be working up to make a move of her own.
posted by fleacircus at 3:23 PM on November 24 [2 favorites]


What did he want to do? Did he accomplish those things? It seemed like whatever his original purpose was he dropped it to rescue Bix?

He wanted to come to his mother's funeral, but his conversation with Brasso changed that - Brasso shared Maarva's final words to him, and that helped to close off his need to be there, because now he knows he's doing what Maarva wants, that he's become what she knew he would. And then he knows he needs to try to rescue Bix, so why not use the funeral as cover? The whole ISB will be watching for him at the funeral.

Counterpoint: Cassian built those bits of the Deathstar. The Deathstar that kills him.
He helped make the thing that kills him.


Cassian helps to build bits of the Deathstar, that will kill him just after he finishes transmitting the plans of the Deathstar, thus ensuring the destruction of the Deathstar. There's an interesting set of cause and effect here (and if Karn doesn't instigate the chase after Andor...) And while my initial reaction to the final shot of the Deathstar is to relate it to Nemik's line about being dwarfed by the scale of the enemy, it's also a reminder that it itself is made up of thousands of small pieces, a series of small actions that combine to make something bigger - but unlike the Rebellion, where those efforts are decentralized and not easily able to be contained and controlled, the Deathstar unites them all into something terrible, but something that can confronted and destroyed in one battle.
posted by nubs at 3:53 PM on November 24 [8 favorites]


Does anyone know if there’s a full version of that manifesto somewhere, or just those paragraphs we hear?
posted by curious nu at 6:54 PM on November 24


In this Vulture interview, Gilroy talks about writing Nemik’s manifesto bits for each scene, so it doesn’t sound like there is an actual longer document.
Nemik went through a lot of passes. We always wanted a Trotsky: the young, naïve radical. If you’re going to have Cassian ingesting all of the possible forms of conversion to the Rebellion, we needed a dialectic character. Then we cast Alex Lawther. A lot of the rewrites and upgrading along the way is based on the cast, and the cast we have is so good. Even watching him audition, it was like, We can go anywhere. The campfire speech he gives in Aldhani was the can opener. When we finally cracked that, it was like, Oh, here he is. The second speech is the mercenary speech he gives Cassian in the morning, and that went so easily. The power of the manifesto — episode 11, that scene, we had kind of late. You get on a roll with those things, and you just try to break your own heart. You’re trying to write speeches for the things you believe in. Sometimes it takes a long time to find the voice, but once you’re there, they tend to go quick.
posted by rodlymight at 7:23 PM on November 24 [9 favorites]


This season has been so good. It's going to be difficult waiting for season 2 to premiere way out in 2024.

I'm really hoping Luthen doesn't turn out to be Jedi, Sith, or force-sensitive at all. It'd be better for him to have just been very driven, observant, studious, and competent. My impression is the Jedi Council were almost as bad as the Imperials in being out-of-touch & routinely underestimating the average citizens.
> You FLIP b2emo?
"you FLIP B2EMO!? you flip B2EMO's body over like the empty can!? oh! oh! jail for Imp. jail for Imp with a restraining bolt in his waste port for ONE THOUSAND YEARS!!!"
posted by Fiberoptic Zebroid and The Hypnagogic Jerks at 9:38 PM on November 24 [15 favorites]


Space Miette shows no mercy!
posted by orrnyereg at 7:14 AM on November 25 [5 favorites]


alternatively, you flip my B2EMO you fluff my hog

this show was incredible, truly a miracle that star wars as an IP is even capable of making something this rich, this resonant, this tightly wound.

I was sort of skeptical about a season 2 until reading that vulture interview and gilroy's clear confidence and understanding of the story he wants to tell. I appreciate him reinforcing that the show will not continue to be about Cassian's wavering allegiance, because it's not wavering anymore and won't again

when i grow up i want to be the Time Grappler
posted by Kybard at 6:18 PM on November 25 [5 favorites]


I spent the entire series convinced the bellringer was Clancy Brown.
posted by curious nu at 9:18 AM on November 26 [4 favorites]


I thought the post-credit scene was the perfect gracenote for the season and a reminder that while skirmishes at funerals feel like big stakes, there is always a bigger fish.

Also, love the dramatic irony that Cassian helped to create the thing that ultimately kills him.
posted by crossoverman at 5:43 PM on November 26 [2 favorites]


I look it as more that the Death Star's destruction is built into it in the start, because it was born out of oppression. Rogue One does this more in a more heavy handed way when Galen Erso is drafted and builds in a flaw deliberately.

Typical of Andor's strengths that it stands this on its head: the "sin" the Empire pays for is not coercing a some irreplaceable great man but instead countless nameless proles.
posted by mark k at 6:46 PM on November 26 [5 favorites]


> Stay for our dive into 2000s-era anarchist philosophy.

> Gilroy talks about writing Nemik’s manifesto bits for each scene, so it doesn’t sound like there is an actual longer document.

Empire[1,2] :P
posted by kliuless at 1:01 AM on November 27 [1 favorite]


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