Venom: The Last Dance (2024)
November 7, 2024 10:20 PM - Subscribe
Eddie and Venom are on the run. Hunted by both of their worlds and with the net closing in, the duo are forced into a devastating decision that will bring the curtains down on Venom and Eddie's last dance.
the ending was incoherent.
kiddo and i were so mad they wrote it in a way that Eddie should have been vaporized by the explosion and still survived. like it wouldn't have taken much to write that workably (I've replaced the ending in my head with sparky symbiote saves christmas and eddie while general dickhead nobly refuses and sacrifices himself).
also that montage? wt everlovin fuck. eddie wasn't even present for some of those moments.
posted by kokaku at 11:53 PM on November 7, 2024 [1 favorite]
kiddo and i were so mad they wrote it in a way that Eddie should have been vaporized by the explosion and still survived. like it wouldn't have taken much to write that workably (I've replaced the ending in my head with sparky symbiote saves christmas and eddie while general dickhead nobly refuses and sacrifices himself).
also that montage? wt everlovin fuck. eddie wasn't even present for some of those moments.
posted by kokaku at 11:53 PM on November 7, 2024 [1 favorite]
that said, we had fun... great bad? bad great? either way.
posted by kokaku at 11:53 PM on November 7, 2024
posted by kokaku at 11:53 PM on November 7, 2024
There seems to be more and more superhero movies that just end up a mess: The Marvels, Madame Web, Venom: The Last Dance, The Flash. Maybe before the cheap CGI era, having to assemble sets and costumes and choreography meant you had to have a coherent script and stick somewhat close to it. Now they just seem to film a bunch of character scenes, and try to decide or re-decide the basic plot and tone of the movie in post.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 1:42 AM on November 8, 2024
posted by TheophileEscargot at 1:42 AM on November 8, 2024
Maybe before the cheap CGI era, having to assemble sets and costumes and choreography meant you had to have a coherent script and stick somewhat close to it.
Oh, gosh no, that's just the nostalgia talking. The Christopher Reeve Superman movies had two really good ones and then the quality took a nosedive. Same for the Batman movies; as much as some people love the Joel Schumacher movies, they're still basically "throw whatever shit you can think of at the wall and see what sticks." And FWIW, I liked The Marvels just fine (spoilers); the villain wasn't much of a much, but they're not all winners.
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:59 AM on November 8, 2024 [2 favorites]
Oh, gosh no, that's just the nostalgia talking. The Christopher Reeve Superman movies had two really good ones and then the quality took a nosedive. Same for the Batman movies; as much as some people love the Joel Schumacher movies, they're still basically "throw whatever shit you can think of at the wall and see what sticks." And FWIW, I liked The Marvels just fine (spoilers); the villain wasn't much of a much, but they're not all winners.
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:59 AM on November 8, 2024 [2 favorites]
I think even the worst of the older Batman and Superman movies were more coherent.
Example, in "Venom: The Last Dance" you have the whole scene with the twins, one of them is struck by lightning and killed, the other grows up to be the scientist and then... nothing.
In the comics apparently one of the symbionts has an electrical superpower, presumably in an earlier draft that had some connection to the lightning experience. But in this edit, the lightning scene has no purpose.
Or in "The Rise of Skywalker" you had that scene where Finn wants to tell Rey something, but is delayed, and you never find out what it was.
I don't think it used to be so common that they would just fail or forget to excise all the scenes in a subplot and leave these "relic scenes" that don't serve any purpose in the cut. Though maybe that's more due to digital editing than VFX, I suspect that the editors are under a lot more time pressure now.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 8:03 AM on November 8, 2024 [2 favorites]
Example, in "Venom: The Last Dance" you have the whole scene with the twins, one of them is struck by lightning and killed, the other grows up to be the scientist and then... nothing.
In the comics apparently one of the symbionts has an electrical superpower, presumably in an earlier draft that had some connection to the lightning experience. But in this edit, the lightning scene has no purpose.
Or in "The Rise of Skywalker" you had that scene where Finn wants to tell Rey something, but is delayed, and you never find out what it was.
I don't think it used to be so common that they would just fail or forget to excise all the scenes in a subplot and leave these "relic scenes" that don't serve any purpose in the cut. Though maybe that's more due to digital editing than VFX, I suspect that the editors are under a lot more time pressure now.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 8:03 AM on November 8, 2024 [2 favorites]
Seems like this movie's doing reasonably well at the box office: three weeks in the top spot though in a slow period.
Also apparently "Venom 2: Let There Be Carnage" is not available for streaming on any platform. You can tell how crummy the state of streaming is, if you can't legally stream the previous installment of the current box office #1 movie anywhere.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 3:10 AM on November 12, 2024 [1 favorite]
Also apparently "Venom 2: Let There Be Carnage" is not available for streaming on any platform. You can tell how crummy the state of streaming is, if you can't legally stream the previous installment of the current box office #1 movie anywhere.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 3:10 AM on November 12, 2024 [1 favorite]
Halfway through, and as usual, thoroughly enjoying myself. I love the unbridled ADHD of the symbiote, I'm like yesss, impulse control, who she, we don't know her! Fun with an MFM shoutout from the sarcastic teen too. We have been unable to stop laughing at Knull though, which means fuck (the verb) in Swedish. Adore the woodchipper effect on the hunter. Ending made pretty much no sense, but what the hey, I've given up any expectation of that these days. I assumed checkovs "viral shed" would come into play at the end, and am disappointed not to have seen a fully Venomized statue of liberty at the end. Could have added it to the credits sequence even!
posted by J.R. Hartley at 8:01 AM on December 28, 2024
posted by J.R. Hartley at 8:01 AM on December 28, 2024
Aahhh, I accidentally caught the final stinger after the end now. Intriiiiiiiiguing.
posted by J.R. Hartley at 8:16 AM on December 28, 2024
posted by J.R. Hartley at 8:16 AM on December 28, 2024
Shepherd and I watched this last night. We've pretty much enjoyed the Venom movies but what a hollow note for this to end on.
Also, the scene where adorable hippy child falls asleep against Eddie? Cute, but then a few secs later Eddie is talking to Martin and the sleeping child is nowhere to be found. Like, he slipped through a tiny wormhole because the camera is panned far back enough that where a sleeping child should be is nothing.
Anyway, Chiwetel Ejiofor is just playing Angry Military Guy. What a waste. I mean, pretty much everyone's talent was wasted in this.
posted by Kitteh at 7:16 AM on January 6
Also, the scene where adorable hippy child falls asleep against Eddie? Cute, but then a few secs later Eddie is talking to Martin and the sleeping child is nowhere to be found. Like, he slipped through a tiny wormhole because the camera is panned far back enough that where a sleeping child should be is nothing.
Anyway, Chiwetel Ejiofor is just playing Angry Military Guy. What a waste. I mean, pretty much everyone's talent was wasted in this.
posted by Kitteh at 7:16 AM on January 6
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I'm not sure how Venom managed to drag several xenophages away while not in Eddie's body at the end: usually it seemed like multiple embodied symbiotes couldn't do much to stop a single one. Wikipedia says Venom merged with them, but how come the other symbiotes couldn't do that?
posted by TheophileEscargot at 10:33 PM on November 7, 2024