Daredevil: Daredevil
May 7, 2015 5:02 AM - Season 1, Episode 13 - Subscribe

Matt and Karen attend a funeral, and Matt reassures Karen that Fisk and his co-conspirators will face justice. Meanwhile, Fisk learns that Owlsley and Madame Gao conspired to poison Vanessa, whom they deemed a distraction, and that Owlsley has been hiding Detective Hoffman as an insurance policy. In his vigilante disguise, Matt finds Detective Hoffman and convinces him to agree to testify against Fisk.

Acting on Hoffman's testimony, federal agents arrest Fisk and his co-conspirators, but Fisk manages to escape custody. Before he can flee the city, Matt intercepts him, wearing the new set of armor made for him by Potter. After a brutal fight, Matt defeats Fisk and leaves him to the police, avenging Ben's death. Fisk is arrested, Vanessa leaves the city, and Matt, Karen and Foggy celebrate their success and resume their work. The vigilante is named "Daredevil" by the media.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter (36 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
I thought it was interesting that they left the Karen shooting Wesley plot thread outstanding. I wonder if this will be used next season (or later) to do the Born Again storyline, with the Kingpin blackmailing her with that info replacing her heroin addiction in the comics.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:48 AM on May 7, 2015


Also, Owlsley is one ballsy motherfucker to confront the Kingpin with that forced exit scheme. I think it may have actually worked, at least temporarily, if he hadn't conspired to harm Vanessa.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:50 AM on May 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


I will miss Owlsley. God, that guy was funny, with his running sardonic commentary.
posted by maxsparber at 6:56 AM on May 7, 2015 [4 favorites]


I feel like they killed off too many fun actors this season but whatever.

I felt like the ending was a bit too "heroic" given the tone of the rest of the show. I also have to admit that I really prefer his "vigilante" getup to the attempt on an actual Daredevil suit which just looks a bit dorky.

That said I really enjoyed the season and I hope we don't have to wait to cycle through all the other pending Netflix/Marvel shows before another season. I mean, unless those are really good too.

So is the stuff with Gao and the guy talking to Stick set up for The Hand, or is it Iron Fist setup stuff, or both?
posted by selfnoise at 7:06 AM on May 7, 2015 [2 favorites]


So is the stuff with Gao and the guy talking to Stick set up for The Hand, or is it Iron Fist setup stuff, or both?

Nobu was with the Hand; his red ninja outfit is the Hand uniform. I'm guessing that the "needing a city block" scheme he was running is a set-up for the construction of Shadowland, an event from a few years back that involved Marvel's street-level characters...the same ones who are now all getting NetFlix series.

Stick is a member of the Chaste, a group that opposes the Hand. The guy he was talking to is probably his disciple Stone.

It's less clear with Gao, but it's heavily hinted that she's from the mystical city of K'un-Lun, a city in a pocket dimension populated by humanoid aliens who crashed on Earth a million yeas ago that intersects with our dimension in the Himalayas in Tibet every 10 years (comics, everybody!) This is what she means when she says her home is much farther away than China, and that she can speak all languages. The importance of K'un-Lun is that it's where Iron Fist's powers come from, so it seems like a set-up for the upcoming Iron Fist series.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:20 AM on May 7, 2015 [8 favorites]


Yeah, Gao's drugs were stamped with the Steel Serpent's logo. There's a pretty good chance that she'll turn out to be the Crane Mother of some sort.

Did everyone see Stilt-Man's legs in Potter's workshop? This made me both happy and sad. Happy that such a gonzo one-off bad guy got a shout out - I love the weird comics of the Silver Age - but also sad because it signals more of a tonal shift away from the darkness of the opening of the series. You can almost feel the Marvel execs start to panic and meddle as the series goes on.

Maybe they'll walk that back now that there's another new new show runner, but given we have to go through a few more shows before we get to Season 2, it might be too late. Series-wise, I think this was a great show, but this episode sort of failed to stick the landing.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:49 AM on May 7, 2015


I felt like the ending was a bit too "heroic" given the tone of the rest of the show. I also have to admit that I really prefer his "vigilante" getup to the attempt on an actual Daredevil suit which just looks a bit dorky.

Eh, it worked for me.

I liked the final leap off the building. DD holding his sticks above his head had a real Miller vibe.

Most of the series was pretty concrete and brutal so I enjoyed a little comic hero at the end to wrap things up.
posted by Fleebnork at 8:04 AM on May 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Gao's drugs were stamped with the Steel Serpent's logo.

Holy crap I completely missed this
posted by selfnoise at 8:26 AM on May 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


I felt like the ending was a bit too "heroic" given the tone of the rest of the show. I also have to admit that I really prefer his "vigilante" getup to the attempt on an actual Daredevil suit which just looks a bit dorky.

I agree. I wish they'd kept him in black, and hadn't made the suit look so bulky - it took away the sleek, ninja-esque, working-in-the-shadows vibe. It turned him into a silhouette that looks more like a tank/bruiser and is much more noticeable in terms of color and, you know, just Being A Superhero Costume. I know the outfit Matt ended up in in the finale is closer to his comics book persona, but it didn't work for me, here, in the context of the type of show I felt Daredevil was trying to be through most of season one.

I think my ideal Daredevil costume would have been all black, sleeker, but maybe keeping the little suggestion of devil horns in the mask with red at the tips of the horns.

In general: I ended up loving season one of this show (loved loved it), but the finale as well as a couple digressions from the rest of the season, like Stick and his oncoming-war-whatever, make me wonder if season two will be quite so much up my alley. Some of the things I really enjoyed about the first season - the suffocating, almost claustrophobic tone in terms of how limited a landscape Hell's Kitchen is and how few people Matt really knows, the banality of evil, the shades of complexity and humanity in the (very much not super-powered) villains - I feel like they're building up to moving away from that already. I don't know that I really want mystical ninjas from other dimensions instead of one man, angry and beaten down, trying to fight the system as embodied in Wilson Fisk. I don't know. I guess we'll see.
posted by blithers at 9:09 AM on May 7, 2015 [3 favorites]


I thought it was interesting that they left the Karen shooting Wesley plot thread outstanding.

I was half-expecting Karen to tell Matt what happened at some point and was pleasantly surprised when the show just did not go there. I don't know if it'll be a future plot point or not, but for now, it makes perfect sense to me that Karen is just bottling that shit up. I'd be fine if that fact just continually floats in the background from here on out but never gets brought up explicitly again.
posted by blithers at 9:23 AM on May 7, 2015


Over the course of the show I became weirdly invested in the idea that Owlsley would literally become The Owl any minute despite how this was clearly never going to happen. I was screaming at the screen for him come flapping and hooting out of the elevator shaft to fuck up Fisk. Come on man, don't just lie there with a head injury, you're the OWL OF WALL STREET! Use your OWL SERUM! I think you had an actual volcano lair at one point (just like a... real owl?), maybe use that somehow!

I have high hopes that he survived. COMETH THE OWL, COMETH THE MAN.
posted by emmtee at 10:38 AM on May 7, 2015 [7 favorites]


This here is proabably why the final shot has a miller vibe.

It's a recreation of the closing panel of Man Without Fear, the series which the series was based on.
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 10:59 AM on May 7, 2015


I think my ideal Daredevil costume would have been all black, sleeker, but maybe keeping the little suggestion of devil horns in the mask with red at the tips of the horns.
blithers

Like this, but without the red eyes and chest logo? It's the costume from the Shadowland run.
posted by Sangermaine at 11:14 AM on May 7, 2015 [1 favorite]


Like this, but without the red eyes and chest logo? It's the costume from the Shadowland run.

Yessssss. Exactly like that. Nice.
posted by blithers at 11:27 AM on May 7, 2015


Over the course of the show I became weirdly invested in the idea that Owlsley would literally become The Owl any minute despite how this was clearly never going to happen.

Owlsley brought up his son a couple of times during the show. Maybe Leland Jr. comes back next season to avenge his dad, and decides that night vision and hollow bones are exactly the edge he needs.
posted by Strange Interlude at 11:41 AM on May 7, 2015 [3 favorites]


Yeah, I really prefer smaller stories, so I'm not super looking forward to mystical ninjas from other dimensions, as amusingly comics batshit as that is. If the Netflix series are going to be street-level superheroes, then I want the scale to stay street-level. Because at a certain point, if you go any bigger, then your audience is gonna start to think "....maybe it's time to call in Iron Man or Thor."

Seriously assorted showrunners, it's okay to tell a smaller scale story! With good writing and character work, the scale of the story doesn't matter, the stakes do. And the stakes don't have to be big, they just have to be important to your characters. I think this season of Daredevil did a great job of that by keeping the action so limited to Hell's Kitchen, and by focusing so much on the parallel and diverging journeys of Fisk and Matt.

And yeah, let's pour one out for that black ninja outfit. I thought it was a great, believable vigilante outfit, and while I'm glad Matt has something approaching body armor now, that new costume is...unfortunate. I hope they rework it by season two.
posted by yasaman at 3:43 PM on May 7, 2015 [8 favorites]


I really prefer his "vigilante" getup to the attempt on an actual Daredevil suit which just looks a bit dorky.

AGREED. Oof, but the superhero costume just looks so out of place with the tone of the series. (And the vigilante outfit just flat out looked more attractive, on a purely shallow note.) I'm guessing they wanted him to be visually distinct from the recent Batman designs, so he couldn't just add black body armor, but... surely there was a better compromise than that?

They've got a year to fix it, I guess, so here's hoping they revisit that design decision.
posted by tautological at 4:19 PM on May 7, 2015


I had a really hard time believing that Fisk would organise and implement such a ridiculous escape plan. It would have been much more in character for him to line up the lawyers, spin some stories and get off scot-free. Sure he'd have a pretty tarnished reputation but I'm sure that wouldn't really hinder him in his machinations.
posted by MUD at 4:49 AM on May 8, 2015


Ok, now that we're at the end, can anyone explain why Fisk needed such an elaborate conspiracy in place just to buy some real estate? If you're going to buy off half the police force, I expect something more dastardly than evicting some old folks.
posted by sevenyearlurk at 2:42 PM on May 8, 2015 [2 favorites]


Ok, now that we're at the end, can anyone explain why Fisk needed such an elaborate conspiracy in place just to buy some real estate?

It was more than "just" buying real estate. That was only a part of rebuilding Hell's Kitchen. And he was also looking to take control of the organized crime element in the city (hence the name "Kingpin").
posted by Etrigan at 3:04 PM on May 8, 2015 [1 favorite]




I think Fisk needed an elaborate conspiracy for the real estate because that's the level of power he had. When you consider the modern real estate magnates they don't have anything like a few dozen blocks of buildings in total, much less all clustered together. They also have it via a tremendous amount of leverage, not actual cash money, and they build it up over decades.

Fisk comes from humble beginnings so he needs income sources from questionable allies and he wants to accomplish this at a pace that demands corner-cutting. Where said corners are actual humans and laws that protect them. So if you want to get specific properties - and in the case of the Hand, one very specific property - you need to be able to use extra-legal methods to do it in a human lifetime, much less a few years.

So you run drugs and humans for the money (and the accompanying blackmail leverage), use criminal force on the civilians and purchase politicians and cops to change/evade the laws slowing you down.

I think there's no doubt that Fisk/Kingpin comes from a time when more people in our culture believed there were folks at the top who were doing this sort of business in a way that wasn't inevitably causing collateral damage to the have-nots. So he's in crime and human trafficking to represent ambition gone wrong - if only he'd gone the Trump route - you know, with integrity!

That side of the coin looks more tarnished these days, but comics (and much fiction) has never done well with showing super-heroes coping with the system working as its designed.
posted by phearlez at 9:20 AM on May 11, 2015 [3 favorites]


I binged to the finish over the weekend, and for the most part I loved the season & thought they had a decent landing for the finale. Not great, but decent. And given that the last couple shows that I've binged on have fucked up the landing, I'm happy. And relieved.

Though I'm worried for season 2. Because now Matt has some bulky costume instead of his minimalist (and really hella sexy) ninja garb and black do-rag. And Frisk is bwah hah hah hah eeeeevil rather than a very violent and dangerous man child.

Daredevil worked for me because he was a street-level superhero. I hope Season 2 keeps it at that level. There'll be time enough for floating alien kingdoms when Iron Fist comes along.
posted by kanewai at 11:07 PM on May 11, 2015


In the Diversify Agent Carter FPP, I asked about similar criticism of Daredevil and then decided to do my own research, ha.

Black Mask, Yellow Peril: Anti-Asianism in Netflix’s Otherwise Brilliant Daredevil This guy likes the show but also discusses how strongly the Asian characters are stereotyped. He also notes that although Murdoch's compulsion to murder Kingpin is a huge plot point, his actually murdering Nobu doesn't even make a blip on his radar.

Here's a libertarian website on how Daredevil makes torture into a virtue.

Daredevil's Karen Page is helping fix Marvel's woman problem vs. Karen Page demonstrates Daredevil's woman problem. I have to admit that I don't personally find shooting a guy eight times in the chest to be a satisfying solution to being a damsel, or evidence of a strong female character but I'm beginning to think that my bigger problem is superhero franchise fatigue.
posted by Squeak Attack at 9:13 AM on May 12, 2015 [2 favorites]


They did a very clever thing with size in Leland's last scene. He's taller than Fisk. He goes from being this near-waist-high homunculus in the previous episode ("I think they call that loyalty or something..."), to someone who is literally looking down on Fisk when they're standing on equal ground.

And he fell, what, two stories? In one of Mr. Potter's suits? Who-Who? could be next season's brand name villain?

The DD suit is awesome, the mask is dumb. I mean, real goofy. It should be this blank, beaked shape, like the tie-on mask, only with horns.

Wilson's reveal to himself that he's the villain, and that he's more than OK with it, was amazing, and all of a sudden, he's a giant again as he gets out of the truck, dwarfing his tactical-goons. He lets loose with rage-induced frankness along this line while establishing his cred as the strongest baseline, unaugmented human in Marvel canon, and it's equally impressive. Matt earned the hell out of that win.

Wilson - "This city deserves people like my father!"
Matt, entirely with body language - "I was just thinking the same thing."
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:37 PM on May 12, 2015 [1 favorite]




I dunno.. I was liking this show until this episode. But this one was terrible. Charitably, they just were just a little strapped for time to finish the show.

WTF with the deus ex machina plot? The way that Our Hero discovered that the cop witness was still alive, and being held captive. And then he storms in to the building (how'd he find it?) and the camera cuts away to cop's closed eyes. And pew pew pew! Lots of gunshots and suddenly our hero has won the battle. Compared to the brilliance of episode 2 and the hallway fight this was all really weak storytelling, and a bad way to go out for what is otherwise a strong show.

The Owsley conclusion was similarly ignominious. He's this super smart financier, oily and clever. And then we're to believe he'd be so stupid as to confront Fisk alone, in a storage container, and rub his nose in the fact that he tried to kill his girlfriend? I mean come on.

And then that costume. Holy god it was awful. It reminds me of Blade, the ridiculous Vampire Hunter costume. Only Matt replaces Wesley Snipe as the person who is aesthetically basically a walking piece of luggage. Ugh. The mask with horns is particularly bad. I prefer to think of it as a Nite Owl homage. Except, um, wrong funny book company.

Also I wish they had a stronger actress as Fisk's girlfriend. It's a good character, but Ayelet Zurer is just not doing it for me. In my ideal world Lili Taylor would have been cast in this role, she would have been perfect.
posted by Nelson at 9:56 PM on May 19, 2015












OK. So I am in love with the fight choreography of this series, and just now watched the final fight again. It was as amazing and intense and gritty as I remembered - Jackie Chan meets Rocky - and... WOW! Fisk let Matt win! He totally tanked it at the very end! He just flat out gave up, for a very specific reason I'm unsure of. Fisk just decides not to parry that last blow, and goes down. You can see him decide it, he sneeeeers...

I think it's because he in that moment, when he realized he was the villain, came up with a new plan.

Season Three is going to be intense, yo.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:23 PM on February 16, 2016


The Foggy/Marci ship just does not make sense and it's a bit annoying that the main guy has to get the girl.
posted by olya at 7:49 PM on February 18, 2016


Does anyone else find themselves rooting for Vanessa and Fisk? I never rooted for Fisk before Vanessa, but now I just love their romance and want them to be happy.
posted by corb at 2:40 PM on April 12, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think that's what works about this Kingpin.
Like, you know he's a violent sociopath, but you also sort of want to understand him. It's entirely convincing that Vanessa could fall in love with him.
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 1:10 AM on April 13, 2016 [2 favorites]


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