The Great Hiatus: Potential Spoiler Thread
November 26, 2015 10:41 AM - Subscribe

You would think there could not be any possible spoilers for a TV series that folded several months ago and was preceded by a book and movie canon in which the last piece of work was released in 2007. But you might be wrong.

I saw a deleted scene on Tumblr just now and created this post for the express purpose of not spoiling those among us who are saving themselves for the DVD release. I'm sure there will be more.

And the harder we pray, the more spoilers are in our future because there will be more to spoil.
posted by tel3path to Cannibal Club (68 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
WAIT WHAT???????!!!????1???!!!1!!!!one!!!

MURDER HUSBANDS WHAT?!!! OFFICIAL MURDER HUSBANDS??? WHAT???

I rarely get this flaily about stuff like this because it rarely tells us anything we don't already know. And we kind of already knew this anyway, however...

We were told? in the shooting scripts? that there was a scene in the Norman Chapel of Jack lying in wait, but it didn't look like this.

Also because of the location, it could mean one of two things. It could mean that, in fact, they did die, and Jack is seeing their ghosts just as Will previously brought Abigail's ghost into the chapel.

However, because of the coda to the show as actually aired, and because of the metatextual allusion to Reichenbach Falls, and because Word of God says so, they're both really there.

When Jack gets up and leaves, I take this as the equivalent of Barney giving Clannibal the cut indirect in Buenos Aires. (Notice how priestly Jack's collar looks.)

Also, Will is seated on the left, because they always have to make him the bottom.

Also, it could be that Jack is the ghost, because he does die in book canon.
posted by tel3path at 10:48 AM on November 26, 2015


THE MURDER HUSBANDS LOVE THEME!!!

I'm turning into a Hannigram Shipping Howler Monkey. I really did not think this could happen to me. Well, not in this particular form.
posted by tel3path at 10:52 AM on November 26, 2015


I assume you have also seen the clips of the alt-kiss takes? Not really a kiss, but featuring Hugh pulling Mads's hand around his waist. And much intense gazing and clutching, of course.
posted by fancyoats at 11:26 AM on November 26, 2015


Nope, saving myself for that one. Does it tell us as much as the chapel clip does?
posted by tel3path at 11:58 AM on November 26, 2015


No, it's just some alternate takes of the cliff embrace. Not a kiss, just slightly different variations on the clutching and the nuzzling and the gorgeous agony.
posted by fancyoats at 1:19 PM on November 26, 2015


The music gives it a super strong David Lynch vibe.
posted by Bringer Tom at 1:23 PM on November 26, 2015


I have been enjoying watching Tumblr Hannibal Fandom freaking out today almost more than I enjoyed the actual clips/gifs. But that chapel scene really is just beautifully shot.
posted by Stacey at 2:23 PM on November 26, 2015 [1 favorite]


I wonder if they deleted that scene because they didn't want the ambiguity over whether they were ghosts or not.

I also wonder if, regardless of what they say, they switch out the coda scenes according to whether or not the show gets cancelled. Like, if it had been renewed for a fourth season, would we have gotten the chapel scene instead of the Bedelia Leg Dinner? Or in addition to it?

I also think it's interesting that both of them are looking forward together - at the altar, presumably the space where God would be (if He were not everywhere, of course). They haven't really ever related to each other like that before.
posted by tel3path at 2:58 PM on November 26, 2015 [1 favorite]


I LOVE the deleted shots of the dust sheets being pulled off the furniture/decor in the cliff house, revealing its Hannibal-ness.

My other fave parts of all the leaked material are a) Scott Thompson's amusing-as-always remarks about the obvious homoeroticism as the elephant in the room none of the characters talk about and b) the outrageous Preller scene in Jack's office.
posted by FelliniBlank at 8:55 AM on November 27, 2015 [1 favorite]


I wonder if they deleted that scene because they didn't want the ambiguity over whether they were ghosts or not.

Well yeah, it's unclear whether it's actual W&H in the actual Norman Chapel or mind palace (or afterlife) Norman Chapel or Jack envisioning W&H in his mind's eye as he sits in the real chapel, or what. I adore that Will is wearing murder husband garb in requisite fanfic blue rather than pre-finale Willwear, though.
posted by FelliniBlank at 9:04 AM on November 27, 2015


Yeah... if Chiyoh's intervention has something to do with how they survive, maybe, she shows up the next day with groceries, sets them down on the kitchen counter, pulls out a compartmenty thing among the kitchen cupboards, then dresses in full abseiling gear and trudges off to get them from whatever ledge they fell onto.
posted by tel3path at 10:20 AM on November 27, 2015


Wait, where did it go? Did I only imagine it? Someone linked to all ten minutes of deleted scenes which had been posted on someone's google drive. Has it disappeared? Been deleted? Am I looking in the wrong place?
posted by fancyoats at 10:30 AM on November 27, 2015


I posted it then asked for it to be deleted because I felt gross about further enabling the leakage of big chunks of DVD extras even though that dam has already burst. But all the deleted scenes and bluff outtakes (embedded into BTS interviews) are easily findable on Tumblr.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:42 AM on November 27, 2015


Oh, OK. I didn't stop to think about the leakage issue so I will flag the comment I made that has the link.
posted by tel3path at 11:24 AM on November 27, 2015


AHHHHHHHHHH

Wait what?????

I have so many feels I'm laughing and crying and hyperventilating all at the same time

Oh god the Goldberg variations Hannigram theme I just can't even

Bryan Fuller what are you doing to my heart

MURDER HUSBANDS <3
posted by litera scripta manet at 12:49 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Okay, deep breath.

I guess I really need to get on tumblr/twitter because oh my god how could this have come out four days ago without me knowing???

And yeah, I read the script and saw the thing about Jack in the chapel (which I assume they maybe did cut because of NBC canceling them?) but it was not at all like this.

Seriously, that first shot of them together is so beautiful and that music kills me every time and I need more Hannigramn

My boys are official murder husbands I love you so much come back to us
posted by litera scripta manet at 1:04 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Punctuation what is that even

No, but seriously, I've been on a Mads film watching quest and I've been so busy trying to track down this obscure Danish short film that he did in like 1996 that I missed this whole thing.

Is there more??? My google fu has forsaken me and I desperately want to be spoiled even though I know DVD leaks are bad and wrong but I already ordered the DVD and Amazon promises I'll have it on 12/8 but that's such a long time from now and I have no will power.
posted by litera scripta manet at 1:11 PM on November 30, 2015


NEVERMIND

I FOUND IT

I am feeling so many things and I can't form coherent thoughts

But now the one thing I want more than anything else in the entire world is just to have Mads and Hugh rip off their clothes and actually ravage each other. As Will and Hannibal of course.

The more naked the better.

I mean, at least hard core making out if they don't want to go completely x rated. But lots of tongue and groping.

Oh god, I'm a terrible person.

But it's all I want in life.

Is that too much to ask for????

It doesn't actually have to be part of the show. I don't really want it to be part of the show. (Okay sort of, but maybe not. I could really go either way.)

It wouldn't have to be much. Just something they can throw together to tide us over while we desperately wait for more episodes.

I mean, I've watched 15 or more of Mads's movies over the last few weeks, and he does a lot of sex scenes (hot, steamy, sex scenes) and seems totally fine being naked on screen and he played a gay man in at least two films (one short film, one full length film), and didn't Hugh Dancy have a gay moment in that weird incest movie?

Come on guys, make this happen. It's all I really want out of life.

Okay, sorry, I need to go fan myself and maybe take a cold shower. I'll try not to post again until I can actually form coherent thoughts although I can't make any promises.
posted by litera scripta manet at 1:35 PM on November 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


Hee. You really do belong on Hannibal Tumblr. You would fit right in. There is just so much screaming going on over there. Although I think some of the initial deleted-scene screaming has settled, and now it seems to be more blooper-real screaming. At least in my corners of Tumblr. Come play with us forever, lsm.

I am with you on that chapel scene. Holy shit, so pretty . The pretty boys and the pretty lighting and the pretty music and just everything is pretty and I have many feelings.
posted by Stacey at 2:02 PM on November 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


I LOVE the deleted shots of the dust sheets being pulled off the furniture/decor in the cliff house, revealing its Hannibal-ness.

I got so caught up in the near kiss and the chapel scene and the gag reel that I forgot about the other deleted scenes until I re-read this thread but I finally found them and yeah, I love the pulling the dust sheets off of the cliff house and the scene right before that where they pack up the books and put the straightjacket on Hannibal.

Also I love this show and this fandom and the murder husbands and Mads and Hugh and Bryan and all of you.

And also Scott Thompson for speaking on behalf of the entire Hannigram fandom.
posted by litera scripta manet at 3:27 PM on November 30, 2015


Oh, and, less directly related, but I keep forgetting that I actually did join tumblr a long time ago (okay, like a year or two ago) when I was first getting into the Sherlock fandom, but I never did anything with it since I never really "got" tumblr. Until I found Hannigram that is.

So yeah, I'm working on resurrecting that as a Hannibal tumblr so that I never again miss very important news like this and also because I keep bookmarking all these gifs and tumblr pages and I might as well join the madness.

Also I created a spreadsheet to keep track of my Mads movie watching, and I really think tumblr is probably the only place for me to share all that I have learned from the 18 movies (and 10 episodes of Unit 1) that I've watched so far. (Notable Mads themes: Lots of sex scenes, affairs, horses, and several characters with messed up eyes). Also I have screencapped so many things.

I mean, it's either this or have an actual IRL social life...so tumblr here I come!
posted by litera scripta manet at 3:28 PM on November 30, 2015


Okay, now I'm imagining my own Preller deleted scene:

Price: I think Hannibal's interest is a little gay. I mean, seriously, why don't they just fuck already?

Long, silent stare from Zeller.

Price: "What? We're all thinking it."

Zeller: "Yeah, but you can't just say shit like that."
posted by litera scripta manet at 4:24 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


And also Scott Thompson for speaking on behalf of the entire Hannigram fandom.

Ever since hearing that, I've been thinking that if only Beverly had survived into the second half of S2 and S3, she would have TOTALLY been commenting on the gay vibe, loudly, constantly, to Will's face and anyone else who'd listen. And also generally WTFing every single thing Will did from 2x06 -- 3x13. There must be a Season 2 mostly-canon-compliant fic out there with her doing that; I just haven't found it yet.

It almost makes me wish (not seriously) Hannibal had sliced and diced Alana instead -- since someone Will cared about kind of had to die to inspire him to go extra-mega-vengeful, which was what tipped Hannibal from doting fond attraction into full-on gimme-gimme mode. But man, how I'd love to see a Freddie's grave scene where, instead of Alana saying, "I'm worried for you and you scare me," Beverly was there saying, "WTF, Will, are you like boning a serial killer now, or what? You're aware that he wants your dick, right?"
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:29 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Litera scripta manet, I have been on a similar quest for ALL THE MADS AND ALL THE HUGH MOVIES. I have been looking and looking for some way to get Vildspor with English subtitles, but have had no luck. I find that Mads has been in much higher quality movies overall, than Hugh has. I will never get over how bad The Sleeping Dictionary was, though there was lots and lots of beautiful dancysexytimes.

Is that worth its own thread? Other films with our boys?
posted by fancyoats at 4:33 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Price: I think Hannibal's interest is a little gay. I mean, seriously, why don't they just fuck already?

Long, silent stare from Zeller.

Price: "What? We're all thinking it."

Zeller: "Yeah, but you can't just say shit like that."


And considering the shit they said about Bella in the deleted scene in Jack's office, which was never, ever going to make it onscreen, it's a shame we didn't get this one as a DVD extra too!
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:34 PM on November 30, 2015


Ever since hearing that, I've been thinking that if only Beverly had survived into the second half of S2 and S3, she would have TOTALLY been commenting on the gay vibe, loudly, constantly, to Will's face and anyone else who'd listen.

I hadn't thought about it but yes of course! Beverly is totally the person who would have done that. And it would have been so perfect, especially to see Will's face and stammering response.

The one thing I disagree with Scott Thompson on is that I don't know that Jack would be the one to say anything, at least in season 2, because I feel like he was pretty oblivious to the exact dynamic between the two of them. Season 3 Jack may have called that out, but definitely not season 2 Jack.

Also, RIP Beverly. I love her so much.
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posted by litera scripta manet at 4:37 PM on November 30, 2015


Also, I find that watching Colby Keller movies is a pretty good substitute for the Hannibal/Will hardcore ravaging I truly desire.

Also also, were you looking for Blomsterfangen? Because I totally watched that one, only I couldn't find any version with English subtitles, so I just watched the original Danish with no subtitles and had no idea what was going on. But I think I found that one on the Danish Film Institute's website. I think. There was also the Mads documentary "My Life" which I could only find dubbed in French on yt. Ridic. But I watched it anyway.
posted by fancyoats at 4:39 PM on November 30, 2015


Beverly often takes on that kind of role in fics. The one either setting them up or calling out their gayness etc.
posted by fancyoats at 4:41 PM on November 30, 2015


I think Jack was somewhat wilfully oblivious in Season 2; the whole icefishing chat about luring and baiting was pretty heavy on subtext. He knew, or would know if he cared to know, that Will hooking Hannibal was going to require a certain amount of eyelash batting, etc. Jack just didn't know until after the fact, when he found out about the phone call, that quite a bit of it was not simulated.
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:42 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Which I think is part of why I loved Stacey's high school reunion fic so much. The Beverly texting-instigator-commentator was pretty awesome.
posted by fancyoats at 4:43 PM on November 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


Beverly often takes on that kind of role in fics. The one either setting them up or calling out their gayness etc.

Yup, but almost always in AUs or really canon-divergent verses. It'd be enjoyable to see her doing it in something close to the actual S2-3 world and plotline although one wonders how much her presence and calling-out-of-gayness would have changed the events. Fun thought experiment.
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:44 PM on November 30, 2015


LSM, were you also looking for the one in the cafe, with his brother? Because again, I couldn't find any English subtitled version, but it's on YouTube, I think.
posted by fancyoats at 4:46 PM on November 30, 2015


Is that worth its own thread? Other films with our boys?

YES IT IS WORTH ITS OWN THREAD I HAVE SO MANY THOUGHTS TO SHARE ON THIS TOPIC

I WILL MAKE THAT THREAD

Also Vildspor was one of the tougher ones because the only version I found did lack subtitles, so I had to get creative, and I was very proud of myself. I watched it the other day and it was totally worth it.

Also also, were you looking for Blomsterfangen

Yeah, and I found it, but on some (Chinese?) version of Youtube. It wasn't that hard to find actually, but the tougher part was that I really wanted to download a copy, mostly in the hopes that I might one day track down subtitles like I did for Vildspor.

(I did eventually find a way to get Blomsterfangen downloaded, and I'm currently learning Danish via Duolinguo in my spare time because I am ridiculous so maybe 5 years down the line I'll understand enough Danish to get what is actually being said in that video if I never actually find subtitles.)

Okay, I should make that thread so I don't completely derail this one, but yes, I'm so excited to talk about Mads's films. And Hugh Dancy's if anyone has any decent ones to recommend.
posted by litera scripta manet at 4:46 PM on November 30, 2015


Hell, I could fill an entire thread with my profound analytical thoughts about the dancing scene in A Royal Affair.
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:48 PM on November 30, 2015


LSM, were you also looking for the one in the cafe, with his brother? Because again, I couldn't find any English subtitled version, but it's on YouTube, I think.

I found all the other short films as well. Blomsterfangen seemed to be the only one not available on youtube. Actually, I think I've now found all of Mads's movies except for these two super early Danish films (Monas verden and Nattens engel) but from what I've read it seems like Mads's part is almost nonexistent so I haven't really bothered looking for them.

Hell, I could fill an entire thread with my profound analytical thoughts about the dancing scene in A Royal Affair.

Yes let's do it! Also that movie broke my heart into so many little tiny pieces.

BRB off to make the new post for this.
posted by litera scripta manet at 4:52 PM on November 30, 2015


Yasssssssssas!!!!! I am so happy bc no one else in my real life wants me to talk at them about Mads and Hugh
posted by fancyoats at 4:55 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I made the thread!

Coherence has not been my strong suit today so I hope I didn't screw up anything too badly. Actually, I almost forgot how to do tags correctly but I caught that mistake.

Basically, Hannigram has scrambled my brain and broken my heart and I'm okay with that.
posted by litera scripta manet at 5:06 PM on November 30, 2015


Yasssssssssas!!!!! I am so happy bc no one else in my real life wants me to talk at them about Mads and Hugh

Yes, I know your pain so well. I can't find anyone outside of the internet who is willing to indulge my never ending desire to talk about Mads and Hugh, and unfortunately, I can't really contain my overwhelming, undying love for them whenever I do try to "subtly" broach the subject IRL so it gets really awkward really quickly.
posted by litera scripta manet at 5:13 PM on November 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I think Jack was somewhat wilfully oblivious in Season 2; the whole icefishing chat about luring and baiting was pretty heavy on subtext. He knew, or would know if he cared to know, that Will hooking Hannibal was going to require a certain amount of eyelash batting, etc. Jack just didn't know until after the fact, when he found out about the phone call, that quite a bit of it was not simulated.

Hmmm, yeah, only it's more subtle than that.

Identifying with the target is such a huge hazard on an undercover mission that it should have been obvious - even to Jack - that Will of all people was not suited to undercover missions. Given Jack's titanic ability to just blow off risk, though, it's not surprising that Jack went along with it - especially in the given circumstances, which were that Jack had completely FUBARed the investigation by then and there were no options left. Sending someone else in was out of the question - Hannibal's not in love with someone else, it's Will he wants.

I also think Jack wasn't quite facing up to the extent of the mental torture Will had been put through. First there's the normal trauma bonding and confusion that goes with any kind of abusive relationship. Then it's the entire community joining in on the psychic driving - which it very nearly is - psychic driving is forcing a patient to listen to a phrase repeated on endless loop, so it's not technically that, but the effect of everyone going Hannibal-Hannibal-Hannibal all the time is so crushing that Bedelia showing up and just saying "I believe you" is a breath of fresh air. Alana is bringing Hannibal - the man he's accused/accusing and already once tried to kill before the end of S1 - to see him and urging Will to resume therapy with Hannibal and Let Hannibal Help You, Will, hand your mind over to him/us and everything will be OK. And now Jack's doing the same thing from the other direction: go ahead and immerse yourself in Hannibal's mindset, Will, because there's no way that could go wrong.

Jack himself isn't all that empathetic, and he knows it - that's why he looks to others for help with that side of things. Jack also requires himself to be a hero/tough guy and you have to give him credit for being REALLY good at it. Not all the damage he incurs is to other people, he takes quite a lot of serious damage on himself and he just soldiers on. Once he's fallen out with Hannibal there's no ambiguity, he's just flipped a switch. Hannibal might be able to rattle Alana with his Hannibal Lectures, but look what happened when he tried it on Jack - "did you practise on an orange"? Oh please, IMMUNE. Hannibal's ability to influence Jack or affect him emotionally is OVER. So, knowing that Will HATED Hannibal for all that he'd done, maybe Jack assumed Will didn't or couldn't also love him. And yet - you can't lie to Big Brother, so Jack also SHOULD HAVE known that just by undertaking the mission, he was nearly guaranteeing that that would change.

So Jack could have saved a lot of time by handing them their own (real) passports, some plane tickets, and a prebooked honeymoon package at the Villa la Massa.
posted by tel3path at 4:44 AM on December 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


I just read some meta about how OOC and unsatisfying Murder Husbands would be if we got it and how it would never work, be a departure from the original, etc.

No it won't? It's canon that Clannibal were at it like rabbits in Buenos Aires. And that this took Hannibal's mind off murdering people all the time.

Plus, The Whelk has already shown how a Murder Husbands setup could be made to work.

I personally could watch an entire season of Murder Husbands going at it in the bedroom and completely forgetting to murder anyone at all. Their biggest argument should be - to paraphrase someone on the green - who needs to put on pants to pay the pizza delivery man.

I would watch that show, I would not find it the slightest bit unsatisfying, and I do not believe anyone here would disagree with me.
posted by tel3path at 6:33 AM on December 1, 2015 [3 favorites]


Actual sex-having murder husbands will never happen in a million billion years simply because Fuller doesn't want it to and likes torturing these characters, especially Will, way way too much to ever let them enjoy anything for a minute, but he could certainly do it perfectly plausibly if he chose to. If Season 4 materializes, I bet he'll continue to loudly ignore it as an actual thing while shamelessly stoking and baiting the fanbase's desire for it and loading the subtext (and text) full of it whenever possible. Either that or in one of the first few episodes, he'll just toss in a shot or two of W&H embracing and kissing or cuddling up in bed together and going to sleep in a totally mundane understated way like it's an unremarkable and trivial fact and leave it at that. ("Yes, they fuck, like other couples. Big deal.") And then watch Twitter and Tumblr go off like an atom bomb. That would be sort of fun, actually.

And this "departure from the original" argument is silly anyhow; the entire show has been a massive departure from and mangling of the original from day one, so how is that even relevant?
posted by FelliniBlank at 2:39 PM on December 1, 2015 [2 favorites]


Eh, I think it will. At a certain point you have to face up to reality, hence the six-pack of beer comment. I really doubt Fuller will descend into outright queerbaiting. If it hasn't happened so far (and I really have my doubts that the ortolan scene happened only at the dining table) it will during the four years they're living the quiet life together before going on the hunt.

I really find it implausible that both of them are sexual with other people, but can only be truly emotionally intimate with each other, and that they just COULDN'T EVER segue into sexual intimacy from there?!? ahahahahahahaha. I get that Tumblrites all have 127 labels in their sparklines about how they're metrosexual, gothromantic, polyvalent and transuranic, but just imagine five years from now when they go through a crisis of romantic/sexual/gender identity - they'll be updating their social media profiles till their fingers fall off. SO MANY SYLLABLES.

I mean, come on, at the start of the show Will wasn't keen on eating people - nobody was, but they all learned to like it. He'll have to add 'humanitarian' to his tags now, but that's the cost of doing business.

Will and Hannibal are homoromantic but heterosexual? Of course Hannibal is too cool to be monogamous but I just don't see that arrangement working, even for someone with his time management skills. It's easier if they just do it with each other.

And after four years of a quiet life, my money's on the 'settling down to sleep and not making a big deal over it'. I think that's the most likely scenario. The sexuality would be dialled back to a chaste primetime sitcom of the early '80s.
posted by tel3path at 3:19 PM on December 1, 2015


Hey, did you guys see this article which I guess is maybe the first "official" confirmation by Bryan Fuller that Hannibal was definitely, 100% the one who cooked Bedelia's leg? Actually, here's the full interview which just got published a few hours ago.

I have to say, I'm not super excited for a Silence of the Lambs re-make. I mean, I haven't actually seen Silence of the Lambs, but from everything I've heard about it, unless they completely re-do it Will would not be very central to the story, if he's in it at all, and I just don't really care about seeing a brand new character introduced if they're going to take up a significant portion of the screen time, especially if I'm going to be stuck waiting for 2 or 3 years.

Although I guess if they wanted to do a feature film of Silence of the Lambs and then separately and simultaneously do a Hannigram Season 4, I would be okay with that.
posted by litera scripta manet at 11:08 AM on December 8, 2015


Also, my S3 DVD just came in the mail! If anyone is curious, here's a break down of the discs and special features based on a quick browsing of the discs that I did just now:

Disc 1 (ep 1, 2, 3, 4)

Audio commentary:
Antipasto: Bryan Fuller and Gillian Anderson
Primavera: Bryan Fuller and Hugh Dancy
Aperitivo: Raul Esparza, Steve Lightfoot, Bryan Fuller

Disc 2 (ep 5, 6, 7)

Audio Commentaries:
Dolce: Bryan Fuller, Steve Lightfoot, Don Mancini
Digestivo: Bryan Fullar and Steve Lightfoot

Special Features:
Beyond the Mind Palace
Avid Fannibals
Hannibal on the Run
Hannibal Season 3: Killer Intentions

Disc 3: (ep 8, 9, 10)

Audio Commentaries:
The Great red dragon: Bryan Fuller and Richard Armitage
And the Woman Clothed with the Sun: Bryan Fuller and Rutina Wesley
And the Woman Clothed in Sun: Bryan Fuller and Richard Armitage

Special Features
Post Mortem with Scott Thompson
Deleted Scenes
Gag Reel

Disc 4 (ep 11, 12, 13)

Audio Commentaries:
Number of the Beast is 666: Bryan Fuller, Steve Lightfoot, Lara Jean Chorostecki
Wrath of the Lamb: Bryan Fuller and Hugh Dancy

Special Features:
Getting the old Scent Again: Reimagining Red Dragon

--

I'm pretty excited that we got so many episode commentaries because I love those, although I am a tiny bit disappointed that we didn't get an episode commentary with Mads, because I was really hoping we would finally get one of those. We did get Gillian Anderson doing one, so that's great, and I'm particularly looking forward to Bryan and Hugh's Wrath of the Lamb Commentary.
posted by litera scripta manet at 11:16 AM on December 8, 2015 [2 favorites]


My blu-ray is here, but I've been too busy slaving away to look at the table of contents yet, so thanks. That's a LOT of commentaries, with a nice variety of voices; they really went out of their way for fan service on this one, bless them.
posted by FelliniBlank at 1:43 PM on December 8, 2015


I checked my account and it seems my DVD will be walking across the ocean at a leisurely pace. The mails are VERY slow right now.

Enjoy yourselves, do.
posted by tel3path at 3:26 PM on December 8, 2015


Well, that's obnoxious -- you always had to wait for each episode, and now the DVD is slow too? Tsk.
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:21 PM on December 8, 2015


I'm like Miss Havisham over here. Day after agonizing day.

brb going to see if my leg will fit in the oven
posted by tel3path at 4:32 PM on December 8, 2015 [3 favorites]


Oh man, the whole lengthy multi-part docu-dealie on the making of the Red Dragon arc is fabulous.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:36 PM on December 8, 2015


So now they're saying the next thing is to make Silence of the Lambs? Please, God, not with Ellen Page.

Also, what about my Murder Husbands? I want my Murder Husbands. Now. I'm at a point where I don't even want another SotL in this verse.

Actually I want my Nonmurder Husbands, but it's not clear that I'd get that. But I, I would watch that entire domestic Hannigram show.
posted by tel3path at 7:09 AM on December 15, 2015


Where'd you read that, tel3path?
posted by fancyoats at 8:30 AM on December 15, 2015


That was on the Dinner Party Show
posted by tel3path at 9:21 AM on December 15, 2015


But Bryan totally said that there would be Murder Husbands..."ish" in season 4. I don't think it's an either/or situation. I mean, SotL is coming up, but it doesn't seem like you could go straight to Clarice et al from the finale of Season 3. There HAS to be SOMEthing else in between. And he also totally said that thing about "the most interesting chapter of Will Graham's story has yet to be told".
posted by fancyoats at 9:53 AM on December 15, 2015


It did sound (the Collider interview) as if he was saying he'd just let it sit for a few years while he does other things and then just skip straight to SoTL with no Season 4. Which doesn't much matter because he constantly says 8 contradictory things in interviews all done in the same week, most of which will never occur, but still, way to piss off the entire die-hard fanbase, Bryan.

The whole SoTL obsession seems mainly about gaining a wider, more mainstream audience when, as Fuller has said time and time again, we know Season 4 and 6 as he described them are the most interesting parts of the story. Weird.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:04 AM on December 15, 2015


What could Season 6 possibly be? After SotL? That would be Hannibal (the book) right? But didn't they, like, use up the plot and characters of Hannibal-the-book already?
posted by fancyoats at 10:16 AM on December 15, 2015


Fuller said he planned Season 6 to be a post-SOtL (mostly?) original storyline that would conclude the whole show arc.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:30 AM on December 15, 2015


So basically Will and Hannibal growing old together, in a perfect world.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:32 AM on December 15, 2015


Maybe they're both in jail and we get the "Will and Hannibal in ajoining cells" fanfic situation.

On the face of it, I would haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that.
posted by tel3path at 11:36 AM on December 15, 2015


Finally it's here!!! My US Season 3!

The cover is very different from the UK version, which features Bedelia leaning seductively towards Hannibal in her black ball gown.
posted by tel3path at 5:55 AM on December 16, 2015


...and looking back, the first half of S1 was just slapstick all the way through. The minute one person is about to catch Hannibal, another cartoon character swoops in and knocks him out of the way. It's like Roadrunner. Literally, with the cartoon-violence Jack Attack, and Will bouncing after he's pushed off the train.

Will goes back to the beginning to reconstruct the crime that is Hannibal Lecter's existence, and having entered Hannibal's mindset he finds that it is just like Toontown. Hannibal says it's a fairytale, with himself as Prince Charming and Bedelia as Cinderella, but from Will's outsider perspective it's Nightmare In Toontown.

I'm reading a bunch of complaints about how pretentious it all was, and I'm like, where is people's sense of humour?
posted by tel3path at 6:37 AM on December 16, 2015


In fact... IIRC Hannibal wears a green suit in Antipasto. I'll have to go back and ponder whether it implies Bedelia is watching her prince rapidly become a frog.
posted by tel3path at 6:49 AM on December 16, 2015


And speaking of sense of humour... hugh dancy has just been nominated for the critics' choice award for best actor in a comedy series.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. IT IS OFFICIAL NOW, HANNIBAL IS A SITCOM.
posted by tel3path at 4:28 PM on December 16, 2015


So, I guess this proves that Hannibal has 100% officially taken the spot of One True Fandom of My Heart away from Sherlock, because pretty much the first thing I did after watching the Sherlock special tonight was make this video of the Hannigram almost kiss, splicing out the extraneous cuts to cast/crew interviews, replacing the commentary audio with the original audio track, and padding it out with clips from the original episode.

I originally posted it with just a freeze frame post cliff dive so I didn't have to cut off Love Crime, but then I decided to throw in the Hannigram church moment from the deleted scenes as a sort of "post credits" scene, to help counteract the scarring moment that was the original post credits Bedelia scene.
posted by litera scripta manet at 12:17 AM on January 2, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, in light of recent stuff where HD speculates about what S4 would look like, and it's all the same stuff about brainwashing, a return to S1 but inverted, and so on...

Everyone who speculates about it is speculating in terms of "how is Hannibal going to brainwash Will?"

I don't get it. Why would anyone assume it's Hannibal who's going to brainwash Will? What if Will tries to convert Hannibal instead? That seems far more likely.

We've had three seasons of "Hannibal is in control" and the thing that would change it up would be if Will were in control.

Another thing that I have been thinking is that, just because Will maybe thinks it's fate for him to be with Hannibal, he wasn't expecting that to actually work outside of any scenario other than death. It's possible that they're not really soulmates at all and the thing that draws Will back is a trauma bond. But given that that's the premise of the show I doubt they'll go that way. What we have left is that Will knew he couldn't live with Hannibal or without him, and when his options are reduced from "live without Hannibal, die with Hannibal, live with Hannibal" to just "live with Hannibal" I could imagine it all going terribly badly.

What if Hannigram turns out to be a failure to the point where both of them have to admit that? What if they don't have some bitter divorce thing, don't kill each other etc, but just finally admit that it's not workable?

Maybe it's from that point that Will ends up in Florida as a bitter alcoholic.

OH GOD NO. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY. I MADE MYSELF SAD. IGNORE ME.

Mads said they would live a quiet life for four years, then go on the hunt. Therefore I think they'll live a quiet life for four years, then go on the hunt.

I also think those four years will involve Will trying to brainwash Hannibal. Why wouldn't they? At last state of play, we had Will finally making progress in influencing Hannibal, and Hannibal beginning to accept the changes in himself. From there, they got to a point of equilibrium where their relationship actually was working, if only for a moment. If submitting himself to Will's influence would work, in the sense of making an actual relationship feasible, then why wouldn't Hannibal do that? He is a guy who does whatever it takes, after all.
posted by tel3path at 12:50 PM on January 15, 2016


I just rewatched on Netflix DVD the first three episodes of the last half of S3 (aka the Red Dragon arc). And I have to say I am astonished at how much more I can follow without the distraction fucking commercials. My attitude has generally been that commercials are the fair price we must pay for free shows, but they really fucking ruin Hannibal.
posted by Bringer Tom at 7:13 PM on January 25, 2016


On first viewing, I found the commercials something of a relief. I can't handle that much intensity of emotion without stopping to let orange lizards convince me to buy insurance.
posted by tel3path at 10:04 AM on January 26, 2016


I dunno about anyone else but I'd be super duper leery of being sexytimes murderhusbands with Hannibal "I like to bite things" Lecter
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 8:41 PM on April 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


but on reflection I would totally be sexytimes murderhusbands with Will Graham
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 4:27 PM on April 30, 2016 [1 favorite]


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