Daredevil: Kinbaku
March 19, 2016 6:14 PM - Season 2, Episode 5 - Subscribe

A former lover arrives in Hell's Kitchen and turns Murdock's world upside down. Karen digs for the truth about the Punisher.
posted by oh yeah! (20 comments total)
 
(hope it's ok if I post a few episode threads, just got back from dinner and am going to see how much further I get into the binge.)

Kind of annoyed at Matt for starting things up with Karen before telling her the truth about his Daredevil-ing. But then the AV Club recap pointed out "Karen is attracted to Matt Murdock—the dashing but humble lawyer with a heart of gold. Elektra is attracted to Daredevil—the ruthless vigilante with an innate love of violence." so I guess you couldn't show that duality if Karen was in on the secret.
posted by oh yeah! at 6:26 PM on March 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


(derail) I suspect that anyone (like me) who's been watching The Flash is going to have very little patience with the whole "keep your superhero identity secret from your love interest", because oh boy we have had way too much of that already. (/derail)

So far I'm liking this take on Elektra - nothing so far about any secret identity or assassination skills or training, just a rich, talented, and bored sociopath who causes trouble for kicks.
posted by soundguy99 at 9:26 PM on March 19, 2016


In the final flashback scene, we don't just see Matt demonstrate that he refuses to kill for revenge. We also see the first time that he anonymously leaves a subdued felon waiting for the police, which he later adopts as part of his Daredevil M.O.
posted by Uncle Ira at 10:59 PM on March 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


-just a rich, talented, and bored sociopath who causes trouble for kicks.

Which is of course, the face she shows to Matt. One thing that occurred to me, is, "What would have happened if Matt said"yes"? And this may be insider baseball, but "How would you go about recruiting someone?" Where did Matt hear about that party anyway?
posted by happyroach at 12:26 AM on March 20, 2016 [3 favorites]


Elektra is completely insane. I like her a lot. It's nice that someone is having fun around here. I suppose it's a forlorn hope that the story will go any differently from the canonical narrative, but I always thought that was a mistake - Miller reaching for a kind of depth that wasn't really available to him.

My wife pointed out that it's just like Common People by Pulp, which I suppose it is. Also, French + Cambodian = kind of Greek-looking. Who would have guessed?
posted by Grangousier at 2:25 AM on March 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok, I was skeptical of where the Elektra plot was going until she opened the bag for the big reveal at the end. I don't know what I was expecting, but I'm along for the ride now.
posted by Jugwine at 2:21 PM on March 20, 2016


Yeah, remember what I said about broken glass earlier? Clearly, never fucking mind!

I don't think I like this chick, she's all smug purry and insane "hey, I just brought you a guy to murder so we're like soulmates." Also, did she break them into Roscoe's house or what exactly there? I can't speak for WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COMICS, but now I get why Matt is so irritated at her. Did enjoy Matt catching that can that she threw him from behind though.

Karen and Matt's date in the blingiest Indian restaurant I've ever seen was just gorgeous. I love the decor so hard.
posted by jenfullmoon at 3:04 PM on March 20, 2016


Pretty sure that is a real restaurant in NYC.
posted by Jugwine at 3:54 PM on March 20, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pretty sure that is a real restaurant in NYC.

Oooh, I think I need to propose an IRL trip for it sometime.
posted by oh yeah! at 3:59 PM on March 20, 2016


[Comment removed; I feel like the thing with acknowledging your inner Frank Miller is that letting him out in public is kind of a bad idea.]
posted by cortex at 9:34 AM on March 21, 2016 [4 favorites]


In celebration of me not having a comment deleted: Frank Miller's Whores.
posted by Mezentian at 9:57 AM on March 21, 2016


Oh, no, wait, my comment did get deleted (which I feel is unfair, but whatever).

My key points:

New York Indian place: looks awesome.

I want to go there, for vindaloo or butter chicken, or what ever it was they served.

Electra, in *this* episode, is the personification of every crazy girlfriend, ever, and I am now one extra episode in as I write this, and I have not changed my opinion, and I think a Mod error of judgement has been made, but I'll not argue.

I think - based on this and the next episode - Electra is awful - and my opinion hasn't changed by the end of the next.
posted by Mezentian at 10:06 AM on March 21, 2016


Elektra as sociopathic manic pixie dream assassin is pretty in keeping with what I know of the Frank Miller version of the character, but it worked more for me here than I expected. Maybe it's something about having an actual person playing the character rather than Miller puppeteering? The "crazy ex" angle doesn't get much better, but the show felt like it was having fun with it, at least to this point in the story.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:00 AM on March 24, 2016


Did anybody else look up the title for this episode?
posted by kewb at 3:08 PM on March 24, 2016


I just did, and I'm ashamed at myself for not recognising the word.
posted by Mezentian at 1:20 AM on March 25, 2016


Anyone got close-ups of all those old newspaper headlines? There must have been some kind of nuggets hidden there.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 10:22 PM on May 2, 2016


If this is the one where Karen gets an office (it's been a while) there is a front page about the Battle For New York (Avengers) and one that references Deathlock (Agents of SHIELD).
posted by Mezentian at 3:42 AM on May 3, 2016


uh, spoilers I guess. No, she's digging through the archives at that paper, there's a couple shots with all the back issues spread out around her, but I couldn't quite make anything out.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 11:50 AM on May 3, 2016


EBOLA PATIENT GOES E-BOWLING
posted by bq at 10:33 PM on July 31, 2016


"All we have our paper archives."

Plus. there's Nexis-Lexis. Can no one just give Karen a freaking Nexis-Lexis password?

Also, nice luck in that the one random photo you copped is the key to the whole mystery! (eyeroll)
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:23 AM on August 22, 2016


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