Archer: Berenice
April 13, 2017 7:42 AM - Season 8, Episode 2 - Subscribe
Archer helps Cheryl, the heiress to the Vandertunt family, to fake her own death.
More jokes than last week!
posted by Chrysostom at 11:55 AM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Chrysostom at 11:55 AM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Yeah, that was pretty great, and I'm another fan of Crazy Cheryl.
posted by mordax at 6:58 PM on April 13, 2017
posted by mordax at 6:58 PM on April 13, 2017
I adore Cheryl (and Judy Greer) but still definitely Team Pam here. But yeah, excited that it's looks like it might be a(nother) Cheryl-prominent season.
I find it endearing that Pam shaves (her face), and shaves badly (the styptic bits of tissue paper). Does anyone know if this is a reference to any particular noir detective?
Definitely; the opening episode was more of a setup/staging and that over with, here comes the jokes. Normally I get bored by repeating gags in general, but they mix it up here just enough that I get a kick from seeing how the next riff goes (ie., bada bing "Stop it!").
Interesting about Archer's flashbacks/PTSD. I wonder if it goes anywhere or the writers use it as messaging/outreach/education? Same with calling out some era-salient racism and sexism.
posted by porpoise at 7:18 PM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
I find it endearing that Pam shaves (her face), and shaves badly (the styptic bits of tissue paper). Does anyone know if this is a reference to any particular noir detective?
Definitely; the opening episode was more of a setup/staging and that over with, here comes the jokes. Normally I get bored by repeating gags in general, but they mix it up here just enough that I get a kick from seeing how the next riff goes (ie., bada bing "Stop it!").
Interesting about Archer's flashbacks/PTSD. I wonder if it goes anywhere or the writers use it as messaging/outreach/education? Same with calling out some era-salient racism and sexism.
posted by porpoise at 7:18 PM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Wait wait wait hold the phone... bada bing is onomatopoeia for this sound?!
posted by traveler_ at 10:18 PM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by traveler_ at 10:18 PM on April 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Sorry, my bad. It's probably ba dum tish.
"Bada bing" (bada boom) likely has no relationship with rimshots (upon light googling).
posted by porpoise at 9:18 AM on April 14, 2017
"Bada bing" (bada boom) likely has no relationship with rimshots (upon light googling).
posted by porpoise at 9:18 AM on April 14, 2017
Oh, so I think - in an episode filled with awesome - this was the best moment:
Interesting about Archer's flashbacks/PTSD. I wonder if it goes anywhere or the writers use it as messaging/outreach/education? Same with calling out some era-salient racism and sexism.
I'm not sure, but I would also be curious to know. Like, if anybody sees an interview with the creators that talk about their motivations with that, please do share.
posted by mordax at 11:16 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Archer: For starters, even if you pull this off, what are you going to do for money.I'm still laughing about that. Like, right now.
Cheryl: Well I...I shall work, of course!
Archer: As what?
*Cheryl looks at a waitress*
Cheryl: Um...One of those! A food perambulator.
Interesting about Archer's flashbacks/PTSD. I wonder if it goes anywhere or the writers use it as messaging/outreach/education? Same with calling out some era-salient racism and sexism.
I'm not sure, but I would also be curious to know. Like, if anybody sees an interview with the creators that talk about their motivations with that, please do share.
posted by mordax at 11:16 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
"I'm still laughing about that. Like, right now."
Yeah, that was great. I'm really liking this particular version of crazy Cheryl.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:31 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Yeah, that was great. I'm really liking this particular version of crazy Cheryl.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:31 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Also, this is eight seasons in, and maybe I'm still a middle-school boy at heart, but I still find the name "Vandertunt" hilarious. Like, every time I hear it. But why is it so particularly funny? Obviously, "tunt" is an unusual syllable and brings to mind the c-word, but neither of those things alone seem to be terribly funny. It's that weird alchemy of language where some words (like Benedict Cumberbatch) have a strong character and are amusing. I've seen some discussion about this on Language Log, and it's notable that "Vandertunt" and "Cumberbatch" are very similar in structure.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 12:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
"Tunt" should be the sound when you hit a metal bar on a rubber mattress or something.
posted by lmfsilva at 1:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by lmfsilva at 1:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
I'm really liking this particular version of crazy Cheryl.
Yeah, I like her best in the 'wealthy heiress' role. (I *always* love Cheryl, but this is definitely where she really hits her stride for me.)
Also: agreed about Vandertunt.
posted by mordax at 4:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Yeah, I like her best in the 'wealthy heiress' role. (I *always* love Cheryl, but this is definitely where she really hits her stride for me.)
Also: agreed about Vandertunt.
posted by mordax at 4:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Cecil seems a bit darker in this timeline.
posted by Chrysostom at 5:08 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by Chrysostom at 5:08 PM on April 14, 2017
"This *can't* be the middle."
God, I love Cheryl.
posted by ominous_paws at 1:06 AM on April 15, 2017 [7 favorites]
God, I love Cheryl.
posted by ominous_paws at 1:06 AM on April 15, 2017 [7 favorites]
"Cecil seems a bit darker in this timeline."
Definitely. And I am not interpreting this as a "timeline" but as a creation of Archer's subconscious -- I'm watching these versions of these characters as hints of how Archer thinks about them. So this version of Cecil makes some sense that way.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 10:48 AM on April 15, 2017 [8 favorites]
Definitely. And I am not interpreting this as a "timeline" but as a creation of Archer's subconscious -- I'm watching these versions of these characters as hints of how Archer thinks about them. So this version of Cecil makes some sense that way.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 10:48 AM on April 15, 2017 [8 favorites]
Agreed, I don't actually think this is a parallel universe or anything.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:34 PM on April 15, 2017
posted by Chrysostom at 7:34 PM on April 15, 2017
I'm hoping that Cecil does get some screen time this season. Sea Tunt remains one of my favorite two-parters
posted by Ber at 10:24 AM on April 16, 2017
posted by Ber at 10:24 AM on April 16, 2017
Agreed, I don't actually think this is a parallel universe or anything.
Didn't they explicitly tell us in ep1 that this is all Archer's coma dream?
(or, I suppose, Archer's android double's coma dream... I am still hoping that they figure out next season that Archer died and that this is his double and everyone just gives a "close enough" shrug)
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:19 PM on April 16, 2017 [5 favorites]
Didn't they explicitly tell us in ep1 that this is all Archer's coma dream?
(or, I suppose, Archer's android double's coma dream... I am still hoping that they figure out next season that Archer died and that this is his double and everyone just gives a "close enough" shrug)
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:19 PM on April 16, 2017 [5 favorites]
ROU_Xenophobe: Didn't they explicitly tell us in ep1 that this is all Archer's coma dream?
It's heavily implied. Mallory says "At least he doesn't know Woodhouse died. That would break his heart. Although there's no telling what he knows. Or what he's thinking about. Well, dreaming about, I suppose."
ROU_Xenophobe: everyone just gives a "close enough" shrug
Kind of like Krieger's clone, right?
And if this is Archer's android, I really hope we see some electronic sheep at some point in this season.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:08 AM on April 28, 2017
It's heavily implied. Mallory says "At least he doesn't know Woodhouse died. That would break his heart. Although there's no telling what he knows. Or what he's thinking about. Well, dreaming about, I suppose."
ROU_Xenophobe: everyone just gives a "close enough" shrug
Kind of like Krieger's clone, right?
And if this is Archer's android, I really hope we see some electronic sheep at some point in this season.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:08 AM on April 28, 2017
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posted by Thorzdad at 7:46 AM on April 13, 2017