The Crown: War
November 30, 2020 9:19 AM - Season 4, Episode 10 - Subscribe
Amid a growing challenge to her power, Thatcher fights for her position after the critical resignation of Deputy Prime Minister, Geoffrey Howe. Charles grows more determined to separate from Diana as their marriage unravels.
With much trepidation, Diana plans a trip to NYC which turns out to be hugely successful. Camilla facing facts, declines to be the fall guy and tries to convince Charles. Thatcher appeals to the Queen and they manage to find common ground.
With much trepidation, Diana plans a trip to NYC which turns out to be hugely successful. Camilla facing facts, declines to be the fall guy and tries to convince Charles. Thatcher appeals to the Queen and they manage to find common ground.
Lots of noise in the news about how fictional and inaccurate the show, especially this season, was.
Anderson and Coleman were the centerpieces, certainly. QEII giving Thatcher kindness in the end was touching.
I really hated the way Josh O'Connor played Chuck as a hunched over weirdo.
posted by porpoise at 7:29 PM on November 30, 2020 [1 favorite]
Anderson and Coleman were the centerpieces, certainly. QEII giving Thatcher kindness in the end was touching.
I really hated the way Josh O'Connor played Chuck as a hunched over weirdo.
posted by porpoise at 7:29 PM on November 30, 2020 [1 favorite]
QEII giving Thatcher kindness in the end was touching.
And Thatcher receiving the medal like it was an insulting merit badge was perfect.
posted by litleozy at 6:43 AM on December 1, 2020 [2 favorites]
And Thatcher receiving the medal like it was an insulting merit badge was perfect.
posted by litleozy at 6:43 AM on December 1, 2020 [2 favorites]
> I really hated the way Josh O'Connor played Chuck as a hunched over weirdo.
That's how I remember him from childhood watching news in America. Like a hunched over Charles Shaughnessy from The Nanny.
posted by guiseroom at 8:38 AM on December 2, 2020 [1 favorite]
That's how I remember him from childhood watching news in America. Like a hunched over Charles Shaughnessy from The Nanny.
posted by guiseroom at 8:38 AM on December 2, 2020 [1 favorite]
And Thatcher receiving the medal like it was an insulting merit badge was perfect.
wow, I did not see it that way at all. To me, it looked like Thatcher was deeply moved, the way she patted it after the queen pinned it on her (after remarking that it’s normally handed over in the box). Here’s the clip.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 8:56 AM on December 2, 2020 [10 favorites]
wow, I did not see it that way at all. To me, it looked like Thatcher was deeply moved, the way she patted it after the queen pinned it on her (after remarking that it’s normally handed over in the box). Here’s the clip.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 8:56 AM on December 2, 2020 [10 favorites]
Fair to say they're building up a real sense of foreboding with all the scenes of Diana in a car? I kept cringing through it, even knowing that we haven't reached the end.
I pretty much only watched this season (couldn't get into the Crown before) to pregame for the Elizabeth Debicki season. (I love her!)
posted by grandiloquiet at 6:26 PM on December 2, 2020 [2 favorites]
I pretty much only watched this season (couldn't get into the Crown before) to pregame for the Elizabeth Debicki season. (I love her!)
posted by grandiloquiet at 6:26 PM on December 2, 2020 [2 favorites]
the Elizabeth Debicki season
She was striking in 'Tenet.'
Also looking forward to the next season for Diana. I wonder how the cinematography will account for her height?
posted by porpoise at 7:58 PM on December 2, 2020
She was striking in 'Tenet.'
Also looking forward to the next season for Diana. I wonder how the cinematography will account for her height?
posted by porpoise at 7:58 PM on December 2, 2020
wow, I did not see it that way at all. To me, it looked like Thatcher was deeply moved, the way she patted it after the queen pinned it on her (after remarking that it’s normally handed over in the box). Here’s the clip.
Definitely a "Wizard of Oz" quality to that scene. I like to think she had a whole drawer full of the things.
In fact the Order of Merit is a commonwealth wide medal, one where the it is the queen's own decision to award it - and one where perhaps waits for recipients to die so she can hand out fresh ones (Philip and Charles are both on the list). Apparently the queen did indeed have some doubts about making Thatcher the first female, non-royal recipient - but she was encouraged by her mother - who was a big fan.
posted by rongorongo at 10:27 PM on December 2, 2020 [1 favorite]
Definitely a "Wizard of Oz" quality to that scene. I like to think she had a whole drawer full of the things.
In fact the Order of Merit is a commonwealth wide medal, one where the it is the queen's own decision to award it - and one where perhaps waits for recipients to die so she can hand out fresh ones (Philip and Charles are both on the list). Apparently the queen did indeed have some doubts about making Thatcher the first female, non-royal recipient - but she was encouraged by her mother - who was a big fan.
posted by rongorongo at 10:27 PM on December 2, 2020 [1 favorite]
I believe you’re conflating the Order of the Garter (awarded to Thatcher in 1995) with the Order of Merit in this episode (1990). Few women have been awarded the OM but Florence Nightingale was the first and previous to Thatcher, three other women including biochemist Dorothy Hodgkin in 1965 as well as Mother Teresa (honorary member). There are currently four vacancies. Wiki.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 4:01 AM on December 3, 2020
posted by TWinbrook8 at 4:01 AM on December 3, 2020
As you say, Wikipedia suggests Thatcher was awarded both the Order of Merit (1990) and the Order of the Garter (1995). The fucking woman even had a coat of arms drawn up featuring Issac Newton and a Falkands era navy admiral with the motto "Cherish Freedom". I think we can conclude she was indeed into her honours.
posted by rongorongo at 7:04 AM on December 3, 2020 [1 favorite]
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posted by rongorongo at 7:04 AM on December 3, 2020 [1 favorite]
A short video on Twitter that summarizes the latest season of the Crown in a humorous way.
History Extra has an article that raises the point, but doesn't really dig into, the fact that the series has reached a point where it can/is influencing opinions in the real world. While I absolutely agree that the series is influencing opinions, what I was hoping for was a bit more examination of what directions the show is shifting opinions, and what level of intent there is for doing so.
posted by nubs at 7:32 AM on December 9, 2020 [2 favorites]
History Extra has an article that raises the point, but doesn't really dig into, the fact that the series has reached a point where it can/is influencing opinions in the real world. While I absolutely agree that the series is influencing opinions, what I was hoping for was a bit more examination of what directions the show is shifting opinions, and what level of intent there is for doing so.
posted by nubs at 7:32 AM on December 9, 2020 [2 favorites]
The NYC scenes were all filmed in my street in Manchester, England. That was a fun day.
posted by iamkimiam at 2:50 PM on December 10, 2020
posted by iamkimiam at 2:50 PM on December 10, 2020
I binged the first two seasons in relatively short order. The characters were compelling albeit flawed. Season 3 took longer to get through. I absolutely slogged through season 4. The acting was great but these characters are truly awful, unfeeling, loathsome people. I truly wonder how far off it is from reality. If they are 1/10 as bad in real life then it's hard to understand how so many people continue to happily accept this wretched family as their monarchs.
posted by gatorae at 8:11 PM on December 21, 2020 [1 favorite]
posted by gatorae at 8:11 PM on December 21, 2020 [1 favorite]
Yeah, I enjoyed (most of) the first two seasons, have definitely kind of dredged through the third and fourth. Am rather relieved I've finally finished because generally speaking, these are very unpleasant people.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:04 PM on August 3, 2021
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:04 PM on August 3, 2021
It was very nice to see QE2 rake Charles over the coals.
posted by bunderful at 8:10 PM on September 21, 2022
posted by bunderful at 8:10 PM on September 21, 2022
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The highlights of the finale IMO were the scenes between Olivia Coleman and Gillian Anderson, just riveting.
A really discordant note: Diana greeting the Queen as "Mama" ("You said I could call you that"). That just clangs. The emphasis was on the first syllable which, doesn't seem right, it sounds childish...I mean, maybe because ma-mah sounds more British? and don't the others call her "Mother"?. It reminded me of the time Peter Townsend addressed the Queen as "Lilibet". Just so wrong. Which I guess was the screenwriter's intent.
The next series will have a whole new cast. I'm really excited for Elizabeth Debicki to take on Diana for the final two seasons.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 9:42 AM on November 30, 2020 [1 favorite]