Ted Lasso: Sunflowers
April 19, 2023 7:31 AM - Season 3, Episode 6 - Subscribe

After a loss in a "friendly" exhibition match, Ted lets the team go free for the night with no curfew. In Amsterdam. It's like "Beard After Hours" for almost everyone! AV Club review here.

Much better episode than the last one, I say, even if I was literally trying to cram in watching/putting this post up right before I had to physically go to work.

* Ted and Beard stay in their hotel rooms and take trippy drugs. Well, Beard does. Ted can't drink it and goes to look at sunflowers in the museum and then dines at Yankee Doodle Burger Barn and has some kind of trip-out session over triangles.
* Rebecca ends up in the water and on the houseboat of a single Dutch hottie.
* Keeley runs off to the Northern Lights with Jack (off camera).
* Jamie and Roy train.
* Most of the team argues over whether or not to go to a sex party or a party 2 hours away, except for Dani arguing for tulips and Colin....see below. After making the decision, they continue to fight over where to eat.
* Higgins takes Ted to the red light district...for jazz.
* Colin fakes sick and takes his own trip to a place called "Prik" (they sure are obvious in Amsterdam), where Trent is also hanging out. Trent says he already knows, has for months ,and hasn't said anything for a reason, eh?

Quotes and notes:
Jan: our spirits are already broken.
Roy's entire rant about a pretend match and this is a pretend conversation.
"I have a date with someone special in the red light district." -Higgins
"Where's she going?" "Someone who thinks they deserve her." Good one, Rebecca.
Roy kicks a Zava sign.
"Pineapple percussions." "Doldrums." -Ted and Beard.
"No curfew in Amsterdam, boys!" -Ted
Jamie cartwheels!
Rebecca takes that tumble upside down and wet in Amsterdam.
Yankee Doodle Burger Barn exists and has a 2.7 rating.
"drink a couple of bottles of red wine and yell at my mom." -Ted
"I didn't come to Amsterdam to learn things." -Colin
Wait, SERIOUSLY YOU'RE TAKING WILL TO GET LAID?!
"We only know this: drugs are bad." (I forget who.)
"Sour Patch Kids don't form a literal new pathway in your brain." -Beard
"Tea? That's like hiding poop in a smoothie of barf." -Ted
"This is how you change your mind." -Beard on drugs
"Would you rather pay to watch two tired people have sex or go to a party where you could get some yourself?" -a very smart Dutch waitress
"Stand there with tired feet, completely sober, it doesn't affect me at all." -Rebecca's Dutch dude
"I must have a good reason for that, mustn't I?" -Trent
"Wait, is this some Dutch bloke singing "She Believes In Me" by Kenny Rogers?!" Yay, excuse for Rebecca to sing!
Roy never fully learned how to ride a bike because his grandpa died, and now that feels disrespectful. "Can we just go back to me taking out my negative emotions on you, even if you deserve it or not?" This leads to a teaching montage with Jamie and Roy and a lot of side falling down.
"LET'S GO FIND A FUCKING WINDMILL!!!!" "FOR GRANDDAD!!!!" -Roy and Jamie.
"Are they going to make up a song about me looking like an altar boy?" -Will
"I have an ache to have both lives be my only life....."I want to be able to kiss my fella the same way the guys kiss their girls." -Colin
"When you know you're doing what you're meant to do, you have to try." -random museum guy.
"Mercy buckets." -Ted speaking French.
"WE ARE RIVEN BY THESE CROSSROADS!!!!" -Isaac, snapping.
"I'm sorry for being a dick earlier." -Jamie
Jamie actually DID lose his virginity in Amsterdam.
"Where are you from in America?" "Melbourne." -Ted and the waiter in Yankee Doodle Burger Barn. They also have Fifty Nifty Sauces.
Ted has some kind of tripping insight over triangles. Did he ever take those drugs or no?
The team ends up...pillow fighting.
"I won't forget you." "Yeah, you might. People get Alzheimer's." -Rebecca and Nameless Dude.
I don't even know what to say about this Bowie outfit. Is Beard under it?! "Wait, let me guess, Piggy Stardust?"
"And then I met the most lovely couple and they invited me for a threesome!" -Will
"Try Angels." -Ted
"My phone is at the bottom of a canal." "Is that Keats?" -Rebecca and Ted.
"Every little thing gonna be all right."
posted by jenfullmoon (86 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite
 
Wait, SERIOUSLY YOU'RE TAKING WILL TO GET LAID?!

(Entire thread looks at each other) “Nah.”

Such a great episode. I know not everyone has been thrilled with how season three has been going, but damn did they knock this one out of the park, as far as I’m concerned it may be the best episode of the series. Rebecca not having her phone means she’s able to be Rebecca and enjoy the moment without anyone ringing her phone or ringing her text. It looks like she may have finally got the feeling of being struck by lightning as Roy told her she deserved. Trent knew what Colin needed, a friendly ear, a kindred spirit, someone who understands what he’s facing. Higgins letting it rip and having the time of his life and Will along for the ride (with a hilarious twist.) Ted breaking his mental block, with an amazing moment in the museum. Roy and Jamie going to find windmills! Now Jamie’s the coach. PILLOWFIGHT! I looked at the runtime partway through the episode, and was surprised it was over an hour. Once it was done, it felt like a breeze.
posted by azpenguin at 8:07 AM on April 19, 2023 [12 favorites]


Did he ever take those drugs or no?

He drank the tea. As per the conversation with Beard on the bus at the end of the episode, it was a dud batch - no effect. What Ted experienced seems to have been entirely conjured up by his own brain under the expectation that he was experiencing the effects of hallucinogens.

I think that's a good choice, narratively. I'm not overly negative or skeptical about hallucinogens' potential uses in terms of mental health and creativity, but as a fictional choice - you can't really take that kind of shortcut around characters having to put in the work for themselves.

I also think that Ted's "triangles" insight was set up well. He's never going to have the level of tactical knowledge that Beard and Roy have, but it would be a mistake for his role to be relegated to motivational speeches, so
a) he has to come up with SOMETHING
b) it has to be something that fits what he can do, given his own set of knowledge and skills

Trent Crimm is the best. Although I kind of rolled my eyes at "I must have a good reason for that, mustn't I?" Any straight person with a shred of decency and a shred of common sense ought to know that you don't out people. And, yeah, he reported on Ted's panic attacks - and that is also a thing that a person with a shred of decency and a shred of common sense should have known better than to do - but working for a newspaper, with the pressure of getting the hot story before anyone else does, is different from working on a book. (Trent Crimm knows he can write a good-ass book about Richmond whether or not he outs Colin as gay.)

Higgins is also the best. I appreciate some of these moments of quiet, subtle kindness he gets throughout the series - it's really easy to imagine an alternate world where Will is ignored and left to wander through Amsterdam alone or sit by himself in his hotel room.
posted by Jeanne at 8:19 AM on April 19, 2023 [13 favorites]


This episode felt like a return to form, whether you like it or not I think most people would feel it's a more Lasso-ish episode than the last one. People get a chance to get to be their true selves, there are some gentle misunderstandings but no one is left out in the cold, people make progress on whatever their personal paths are, the team works together to find something that works for them as a group, it's all about football and not Keely's business or Nate's daddy issues or Rupert's baby. For a moment I thought they might all go look at tulips together since Dani's enthusiasm is so infectious.

Ted has some kind of tripping insight over triangles. Did he ever take those drugs or no?

This was the only part that didn't work for me only because I feel like "character gets insight as a result of a drug trip" is SO trope-ish (even though it turns out that is not what was happening) that I was salty about it. Also I don't love a weird CGI injection into an otherwise normal old live television show. Ted's loneliness and not really knowing how to manage it--texting Rebecca a zillion times when it's clear she's not around--was poignant without being painful. And hey maybe he's learning some football. And it was fun to see Rebecca out of her formal work clothes just enjoying herself with some nameless dude.

The interactions between Jamie and Roy were legitimately sweet. And I'm happy that Trent and Colin got to have a chat and then go out and have a good time. Just seeing Trent in a plain old t-shirt and no glasses looks like he's in full-on club gear since he's usually so formal.
posted by jessamyn at 8:37 AM on April 19, 2023 [8 favorites]


I was surprised how pleased I was to see Rebecca with someone who is a) Not Ted and b) not another character - she deserves someone outside that football family.

And for an episode as decidedly gay and upfront about being afraid of being outed (a gay sportswriter cannot be an easy gig either) and being with your people, there was a lot of casual queerness elsewhere with other characters.
posted by dorothyisunderwood at 8:43 AM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


Jan Maas’ cousin is Martin Garrix 😂 I am so so so glad they resolved Trent and Colin in this way. Jamie teaching Roy to ride a bike was brilliant. A much better episode overall, hope this continues.
posted by ellieBOA at 9:05 AM on April 19, 2023 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I haven't liked most of this season, but this did feel much more like previous seasons, probably because the focus was on the RFC crew and not Keeley's boring workplace or West Ham/Nate/Rupert.

Most of my season 3 highlights are here:

Dani Rojas wanting to see one tulip, because a field of them would be overwhelming.

Jamie and Roy, all of it, but especially the bit where Roy admits he doesn't know how to ride a bike, and Jamie and the bike guy laughing uproariously, and then the bike guy immediately says, "No refunds." And then Jamie teaching Roy to ride a bike! Roy training Jamie is by far my favorite storyline of this season.

Rebecca and Nameless Guy tossing water on Rebecca's clothes in the dryer to extend her stay.

Colin and Trent's gentle heart to heart discussion.

Beard showing up in the Piggy Stardust costume, and because of the Beard After Dark, we don't need to know anything about what happened, we can just accept that Beard had one of those kind of nights.
posted by creepygirl at 9:32 AM on April 19, 2023 [13 favorites]


Ack, forgot to add Higgins and Will to the list of highlights. Higgins gets to play onstage because Will chose those seats so close to the stage, and was willing to talk Higgins up to the jazz singer! Just the little bits of characters helping and supporting each other are so great!
posted by creepygirl at 9:39 AM on April 19, 2023 [10 favorites]


I feel like this episode may be polarizing in the same way that Beard After Dark was--some people just aren't going to be hip to the turn toward magical realism--but I mostly liked it. And maybe having had that weird episode last season, it'll be less jarring to those who weren't expecting it last time.

I laughed every single time Roy pitched straight sideways off of that bike. That thread of the episode was pure joy to me. I feel like Phil Dunster never gets the credit he deserves for his work as Jamie, but his deeply inhabited characterization really shone here.

Hat tip to Tumblr for informing me that the park where Colin and Trent have their heart to heart is the het homomonument, a memorial for gay people who have been persecuted because of their orientation.

A shehecheyanu for everyone who had at least half of their Ted/Trent 'ship go canon last night. Was pretty sure they were going there with Trent as of last season where they showed him with a possible date in the pub, but there's always room for disappointment.

I appreciated the range of out-ness exhibited during the episode, ranging from closeted Colin to Will telling his mum about his M/M/F threesome over the phone.

Hated pretty much every moment of the Rebecca storyline, but I'm glad it seems like her mojo is at least somewhat restored. Loved Ted's fantastic voyage just about as much as I disliked Rebecca's. Definitely feeling re-energized about the rest of the season after the slogging start!
posted by merriment at 10:27 AM on April 19, 2023 [11 favorites]


Will told his mum over the phone, he was approached by a couple for a threesome.

We the audience, don't know how he responded.

I love that.
posted by Faintdreams at 10:56 AM on April 19, 2023 [15 favorites]


Also - fun fact - there are yellow tulips in a vase in the hotel lobby that the team have the extended 'what should we do?' conversation.

Several shots show them to be (theoretically) in Danny's eyeline!
posted by Faintdreams at 11:27 AM on April 19, 2023 [20 favorites]


I loved the "I must tell this beautiful woman something" gag.

Also loved the "We saw a windmill!" line (and that whole storyline)

Shades of 'Almost Famous' on the bus at the end!
posted by TwoWordReview at 1:10 PM on April 19, 2023 [2 favorites]


I was jeering this episode almost immediately for showing a friendly match in the middle of the season — how unrealistic! — and then I remembered that we had some club friendlies take place in winter of 2022 while the World Cup was going on. So I suppose my gripe is downgraded: it should've been a bit colder in Amsterdam than portrayed.

merriment: "I feel like this episode may be polarizing in the same way that Beard After Dark was--some people just aren't going to be hip to the turn toward magical realism--but I mostly liked it."

I didn't love Beard After Dark, but I don't even put this in the same category: all of this stuff actually happened. I mean, clearly something happened to Beard that night, but he's an unreliable narrator of the night's events, so you don't have to suspend your disbelief as it's happening.

Whereas in this episode, everyone had a fun time, and all the various experiences were just a tad too twee. So in that sense it's more like last year's Christmas episode — except that the plot actually moved, rather than it being a self-contained thing. Everyone, in their own way, got to blow off steam and perform a mental reboot.

I joked to my girlfriend that this episode was funded by the Amsterdam Tourism Board, but honestly it's just gotta be that Brendan Hunt and Jason Sudeikis and Joe Kelly lived in Amsterdam for a few years when they were with Boom Chicago.
posted by savetheclocktower at 1:28 PM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


Oh hints from earlier in the season about Amsterdam being important


Small hints have been left throughout season three that AFC Richmond’s visit to Amsterdam was going to be a pivotal milestone in their journey.

In the debut episode of the series, Ted drops his son Henry at the airport and there’s a last call for a flight to Amsterdam. Later, the iconic windmill pops up in Barbara’s office on a snow globe, right at the front of her extensive collection that Keeley learns her employee collects when she visits new places. It seems the trip was always going to be a turning point for the team, as the sign stood in plain sight in each episode, as so many of these easter eggs do in the series.
posted by TwoWordReview at 2:44 PM on April 19, 2023 [7 favorites]


Marvelous Geeks review.
posted by jenfullmoon at 3:12 PM on April 19, 2023




Lots of wonderful views of Amsterdam! Roy’s not wrong about it feeling like a theme park version of an old city. It has a unique character and I feel really lucky to live here. I’m glad that he was able to learn to ride and bike along the Amstel to see de Reikermolen. We’re going to do that trip this weekend for poffertjes in Ouderkerk.

A few minor complaints:

Does Yankee Doodle burger barn exist? I can’t find it but would like to get an American style burger with onion ring pyramid.

The bridge along Raamgracht where Rebecca falls into the canal has no bike lane and looks like they cg’ed it. The later exterior shots of the house boat are on Brouwersgracht and Prinsengracht.

Junkies with massive bolt cutters used to charge 25 guilders per lock that they had to cut but no one has tried to sell me a stolen fiets in years. However Amsterdam did win the European Bike Stealing championship (2015) so it is still a problem.

And one major complaint: our house is in the shot of Jamie and Roy on the Magerebrug and some how we didn’t see them filming it! We’ve been analysing the tulips in the boxes and state of the house boats to try to determine when it was recorded.
posted by autopilot at 3:18 PM on April 19, 2023 [60 favorites]


This felt like a return to form, but also because it was like "Beard After Hours" it was also a non-standard episode. The abnormal feeling of the regular season is still there. Anyway, at least these characters mostly felt like themselves - though the aggression from Roy feels more threatening than his usual sarcasm used to be. And while I'm glad the team ended in a pillow fight, that was my least favourite story of the episode.

Colin and Trent was great and totally the way this story was headed. I'm also glad that Roy and Jamie didn't really bat an eyelid when talking about Keeley having a girlfriend.

It was great for these characters to feel like these characters again. I guess the off-tone of earlier in the season was, in a way, planned so that this episode could turn them around. But so much of the writing has felt off, that it's hard to say I enjoyed the earlier part of this season.

The best minor detail of this episode had to be that all the "Americans" working in the bar were Australians.
posted by crossoverman at 3:43 PM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


oh my god yes I absolutely cracked up during the awkward pause between "Chicago" and "Windy City"

very powerful Good Place vibes from that restaurant
posted by DoctorFedora at 4:51 PM on April 19, 2023 [20 favorites]


That was some real Donald in Mathmagic Land shit for Ted to get to Total Football.

(I loved that.)
posted by minsies at 6:10 PM on April 19, 2023 [13 favorites]


- We're totally getting to meet Ted's mum at some point, yeah?
- Roy is backsliding without Keeley in his life
- Rebecca's meet-cute was very contrived in the setup, but once she decided to stay I loved it
- Colin and Trent were so sweet. I cannot blame Colin for not wanting to be a spokesperson, he's got enough to deal with. Is it too risky for him to tell the team? Probably?
- I love how everyone reconsidered Higgins going to the red light district once they knew Will was going too, then correctly decided nah. And that Will asks Higgins if everything is ok at home.
- Beard: I have been waiting for this moment. Me: me too! When you're ready for a change in your life, Beard is the best person to turn to.
- I love that Ted's breakthrough involved art and a taste of home as well as a placebo change of perception. And that the result was a work-related insight. It's easier to fix his job than his personal life, so that's a great place to start.
- Phil Dunster is the standout actor in this episode, for me
posted by harriet vane at 6:15 PM on April 19, 2023 [3 favorites]


Jeanne: Trent Crimm is the best. Although I kind of rolled my eyes at "I must have a good reason for that, mustn't I?" Any straight person with a shred of decency and a shred of common sense ought to know that you don't out people.

Pretty sure Trent is not straight - since he talks with Colin about coming out in this episode, which is his good reason for not outing Colin.
posted by tzikeh at 6:29 PM on April 19, 2023 [3 favorites]


yeah Trent then told Colin explicitly about his experiences coming out as gay

though also too straights should generally know in the Year Of Our Lord Two Thousand and Twenty Three that it's a Bad Look to out someone else
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:35 PM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


Also if I'm understanding Total Football correctly from a few snippets being shared in Lasso chats online, it needs a spirit of improvisation to work. Kind of like jazz, yes? Like we saw the jazz band get Higgins up to play bass for a bit, he stepped into a role temporarily because they trusted he could do it right.

It's all coming together. "Colin's a chameleon", that was Roy I think? The team have swapped positions before for roster changes. Imagine if they did it on purpose for tactical reasons!
posted by harriet vane at 6:43 PM on April 19, 2023 [5 favorites]


Total Football! I have a copy of that book on my shelf that's moved around with me for 32 years! Also, I feel like there have been Michael Jordan/Chicago Bulls references (pointing to the "Try Angels" moment) lightly peppered throughout the show since season one but I'll be dipped in spit if I can recall any of them concretely. I want to say that Ted even mentioned watching Bulls games with his father at some point.
posted by KingEdRa at 7:37 PM on April 19, 2023


I cannot blame Colin for not wanting to be a spokesperson, he's got enough to deal with. Is it too risky for him to tell the team? Probably?

It occurred to me today that Colin probably doesn't know that Nate was the one who leaked the story of Ted's panic attack to the press. So from Colin's perspective, the person who leaked that story might still be on the team, or still work for the team. I can completely understand caution under those circumstances.
posted by creepygirl at 7:46 PM on April 19, 2023 [10 favorites]


God, this cast is so good. It's a crime we haven't had more Hannah Waddingham singing in this show. I just know we're going to see Colin get to kiss his fellow after a game. Enjoyed the little "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" snippet as Roy was learning to ride his bike. Hope Roy learning to ride gives him confidence and the insight to accept that he can change for the better, and that he deserves someone like Keeley (if not Keeley). Enjoyed Ted's self-induced little animated movie, the sauce callback was a nice touch, and finally! Ted discovers that his basketball tactics & coaching skills are also applicable to football.
posted by Fiberoptic Zebroid and The Hypnagogic Jerks at 7:51 PM on April 19, 2023 [3 favorites]


Pretty sure Trent is not straight - since he talks with Colin about coming out in this episode, which is his good reason for not outing Colin.


No, yeah, I knew that.

What I meant was - I don't think Trent being gay should be a good reason for not outing Colin! "If I out this person, there might be negative consequences for them personally and professionally, and that would be a mean thing to do" is an insight that is available to gay people, straight people, pansexuals, bisexuals and asexuals alike. I will grant that when you have the personal experience of navigating how open to be with other people about your sexuality, that grants you some extra insight about how it would feel to be outed against your will, but I would like to think that even if Trent Crimm were straight, he would have good reason to think, "Hm, maybe outing somebody is kind of an asshole move."
posted by Jeanne at 8:29 PM on April 19, 2023 [8 favorites]


- Beard: I have been waiting for this moment. Me: me too! When you're ready for a change in your life, Beard is the best person to turn to.

Yeah, except his idea of how to handle the situation was to have you trip balls on some psychedelic shit Kenneth got him. Which...I get that people have epiphanies on that shit, but also you trip for hours and vomit profusely and you have NO idea if it'll be a good trip or bad trip and things like that, and nobody else was around to watch out for their safety, and I'd imagine it's a nasty-ass hangover for the flight back home.

I've felt so bad at times about my inability to make big changes that I've semi-seriously considered the Ball Trip Option (though I note that I currently have no contacts in that realm to get me any if I wanted it), but then I remember things like "guaranteed vomit" and think, "Never mind." I'm glad nobody had a nasty trip, as it turned out.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:33 PM on April 19, 2023 [3 favorites]


Loved the reference to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Here’s a clip.
posted by gluejar at 10:09 PM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


but then I remember things like "guaranteed vomit" and think, "Never mind."

as someone who’s done a lot of ‘shrooms during peak COVID and presently micro doses, i just want to point out that the vomit isn’t quite guaranteed! i have an aversion to vomiting unless i literally cannot control my body anymore (i’m better about giving myself grace and all now, but i still prefer not to). i have successfully avoided Guaranteed Vomit and experienced pleasant trips.

obviously ymmv i’m not a doctor nor am i suggesting doing this, etc etc

as for the episode, it resembled the beginning of a return to form, but i honestly felt like it dragged. i felt like some scenes just went on forever needlessly.
posted by ener at 10:39 PM on April 19, 2023 [1 favorite]


- Dutch dudes final line “oh yes we did” is… gross
- pillow fight… way too school girl for a bunch of footballers
- loved the American restaurant kitsch; as an expat I can relate to grabbing on to something from home
- after Trent comes out to Colin he seems so… relaxed.. on the bus. Subtle but amazing acting right there
posted by St. Peepsburg at 11:35 PM on April 19, 2023 [4 favorites]


Yeah, also putting a hand up for Dutchguy's creepy under-the-breath kiss-off. As someone who was shown respecting Rebecca's space and privacy, but not shown doing "it" past the foot massage and blanket, the framing changes from whimsical evening between adults to Nice Guy Any%s The Technique.

Now, what happens next depends on whether "it" is what we assume, because if Rebecca becomes pregnant (furthering the bullshit psychic storyline) then she was impregnated whilst blackout drunk and Dutchguy failed the final boss on so many levels.

An otherwise creepy shadow over a delightful episode.
posted by Molesome at 12:36 AM on April 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


I think Dutchguy meant something like “we did have a connection” rather than anything else. Ted Lasso isn’t that kind of show I don’t think.
posted by gnuhavenpier at 1:10 AM on April 20, 2023 [54 favorites]


Dutch dudes final line “oh yes we did” is… gross
Man, that's dark. I 100% think you mis-read that line. Your reading of it didn't even occur to me, and I'm pretty sure wouldn't have occurred to the writers of feel good comedy Ted Lasso.

Roy’s not wrong about it feeling like a theme park version of an old city.
That made me laugh because it's something I once said about Vienna after spending a day there. I guess when you only visit tourist areas of old cities, sometimes you kind of are just in a theme park, because nobody actually really *lives* there.
posted by chill at 1:14 AM on April 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


yeah I 100% read Helpful Dutch Guy's "oh yes we did" as, like… they experienced meaningful personal intimacy together, but in non-sexual ways that nourished them both as people
posted by DoctorFedora at 2:10 AM on April 20, 2023 [36 favorites]


Marvelous Geeks review. NYT review.

Archive link for the NYT review.

Oh hints from earlier in the season about Amsterdam being important

This is great! Puts the pillow fight into more context.
posted by ellieBOA at 4:15 AM on April 20, 2023


Yeah, I definitely had a first "wait, what?" when he said "yes, we did", but on a tiny bit more contemplation I decided it made much more sense for him to be referring to the deep connection and joy they had together.

Still mad at the audacity of them to not get each other's name (and a little mad they tried to fake us out by showing the little girl's room).
posted by Night_owl at 5:01 AM on April 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


Still mad at the audacity of them to not get each other's name (and a little mad they tried to fake us out by showing the little girl's room).

It's possible he knows who she is and was playing it cool, or that he will now recognize her on television. But, I think we'll see Rebecca just return to his home looking for him. His house being a boat it would be funny if she returned only to find an empty dock but I don't think that's likely. I'd bet on them being in a relationship by the end of the season. In the inevitable flash-forward at the end of the season/series, we'll see some happy family scenes with them and the daughter.
posted by mikepop at 5:34 AM on April 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


I would pay good money for Jamie Tartt's Audio Tours of European Cities.
posted by amarynth at 6:43 AM on April 20, 2023 [30 favorites]


In season 1 on an away-game trip, Ted gave them a choice of movie or pillow fight. They ended up watching The Iron Giant, I think? Anyway, Ted says once they try a pillow fight they'll never go back to movie nights again.
posted by harriet vane at 7:07 AM on April 20, 2023 [14 favorites]


A solid episode but my suspension of disbelief kept failing at what a GINORMOUS FUCKING FLOATING MCMANSION this houseboat was. Is it just a small portion on a boat connected to a land-based house? Does it block the entire canal? Is it a fucking TARDIS?
posted by rmd1023 at 7:58 AM on April 20, 2023 [17 favorites]


I kept questioning the size of the boat repeatedly, thinking of its exterior, but in the end, I felt it actually did seem to have the appropriate interior size based on the outside. I noticed how the second bedroom (child's) was actually tucked in behind the main bedroom. The generally small area between the kitchen and the living space and so on. But yes, I thought, "That's not your British canal boat right there."

I enjoyed this, perhaps my favorite of the season, because it was top tier Ted Lasso. The Lasso you can turn on and get a nice mental trip away from everything else going on in your life.

In terms of Rebecca and Dutch guy's relationship. I initially thought there had been some kind of intercourse, but I appreciate the reinforcement here that this is not that type of show. However, it's very clear if Rebecca becomes a mother, and presuming Dutch guy's child is still alive, then we're going to see this couple get back together.

loved the American restaurant kitsch; as an expat I can relate to grabbing on to something from home

There was (is?) a chain of restaurants in Britain in the 90s that was advertised as an "American" restaurant. It was also a bit of a hoot to go to it as an expat if only for the attempt to recreate whatever Americaness is, but also, seeing it translated by non-Americans. The food wasn't very good, but it was a worthy try.

Two small things I loved. One, Keely on the hotel tv. A great callback to last season. Two, the bike thief pops up at the very end in the background, swooping up the bike from Jamie and Roy.

I'm now excited to see how Total Football changes Richmond's success on the pitch next week!
posted by Atreides at 8:33 AM on April 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


Fiberoptic Zebroid and The Hypnagogic Jerks: Enjoyed the little "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" snippet as Roy was learning to ride his bike.

gluejar: Loved the reference to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

I'm friends with several people who are about a good quarter-of-a-century younger than me. I mentioned this shout-out in a group chat. Nobody knew what I was talking about, so I assigned them all movie-watching homework. I hope they enjoy it!
posted by tzikeh at 8:46 AM on April 20, 2023 [10 favorites]


Roy’s not wrong about it feeling like a theme park version of an old city.
That made me laugh because it's something I once said about Vienna after spending a day there. I guess when you only visit tourist areas of old cities, sometimes you kind of are just in a theme park, because nobody actually really *lives* there.


Yeah, I spent most of Roy's scenes thinking about In Bruges, which is basically an entire (great) movie about that.
posted by General Malaise at 9:21 AM on April 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


not for nothing but I really wish people would spell Keeley correctly
posted by tzikeh at 9:38 AM on April 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


I'm a serial offender of this. I'll try my best to remember that missing 'e' in future posts. If I forget, I hope it doesn't rain too much on other's parades.
posted by Atreides at 10:20 AM on April 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


When the series started Ted not knowing anything about football was charming and part of the premise of the show but at this point he’s been on the job full time for three years and it is beginning to grate.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 10:20 AM on April 20, 2023 [3 favorites]


As far as the canal boat goes, a Dutch Barge can be much bigger than an English narrowboat (or even an English widebeam).
posted by Ranucci at 11:55 AM on April 20, 2023 [5 favorites]


- Dutch dudes final line “oh yes we did” is… gross

I think this is a misreading, because it makes zero dramatic sense for him to have turned out to be a creep. What they didn't do was have sex. What they DID do was fall in love. But they're older and wiser and know that it wouldn't work, which is why they both know it's better to just leave that night as it was and have that wonderful memory. They don't even know each other's names. It's just a wonderful, wonderful story that they'll be able to tell when they're old.
posted by nushustu at 12:30 PM on April 20, 2023 [13 favorites]


I'm friends with several people who are about a good quarter-of-a-century younger than me. I mentioned this shout-out in a group chat. Nobody knew what I was talking about, so I assigned them all movie-watching homework. I hope they enjoy it!

I have seen Butch Cassidy but the first thing that popped in my head was the Simpson’s reference to it, although given that episode was probably 20 years ago, that might be lost on them too :)
posted by TwoWordReview at 1:14 PM on April 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


I guess when you only visit tourist areas of old cities, sometimes you kind of are just in a theme park, because nobody actually really *lives* there.

Thing is, people do actually live in the touristy areas of Amsterdam. The city has been doing things like putting full sized photos of residents on their front doors to try to discourage tourists from making a racket late at night, etc.

It does still look like a theme park, though, but that’s more to do with the lack of cars and the highly walkable scale of the city, combined with the characteristic and well-cared-for architecture.
posted by antinomia at 1:42 PM on April 20, 2023 [4 favorites]


But they're older and wiser and know that it wouldn't work, which is why they both know it's better to just leave that night as it was and have that wonderful memory.

....Yeah, I don't get the logic of this sort of thinking (see Abbott Elementary's finale post for that rant). Opportunities for love are very rare, especially the older you get. Why are you passing it up for ... nothing? Yes, it's very pretty as a one-off thing, but I was all "dammit dammit dammit, no names, no phones, different country, FREAKING HOUSEBOAT" over it anyway.
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:41 PM on April 20, 2023 [7 favorites]


Roy and Jamie on bikes = my absolute favourite scenes of the show so far. Slapstick comedy, character growth and mentor/pupil reversal, heart-to-hearts - everything in one beautiful package. I really hope we start to see Roy cycling to work!

So I read the Dutch guy's comment as meaning that after she fell asleep, she'd woken again, and they did in fact sleep together but she'd been too drunk to remember. When he realised that she didn't remember, he didn't want to embarrass her, so said they hadn't. Which made me fear they're going to give Rebecca the tired TV trope of the 'miracle baby' rather than the harder, more truthful option of having to accept it won't happen for her. We'll find out, I guess.

From the scene with Beard & Ted in the hotel room together, I started noticing how much orange/warm yellow there was (Ted's sweatshirt, the beers and then the teas, the chairs, the lampshade), and it took me a while to realise it was because orange is Holland's national colour, and it also reflects the palette of Sunflowers. Lots of it after that - the whole boat interior, the headbands on one of the pillow fight teams (pillow fight at last!), Colin's shirt, then Trent's T-shirt in the club, etc.

Likewise, I love that it's triangles everywhere - not only Total Football, but the Homomonument (referencing the pink triangles gay people were forced to wear by the Nazis), the onion rings, even that weird table at the back of the coach was kind of triangular when we first saw Ted sitting at it at the end. And I think someone pointed out elsewhere that Ted was looking at the pyramid thingy on the wall in his office when he started (and controlled) a panic attack in the last ep. Even Will got a threesome.

It feels like there's not a line in wasted in this show - everything ties neatly back to about 10 other things that felt inconsequential at the time.
posted by penguin pie at 3:27 PM on April 20, 2023 [9 favorites]


FWIW I read the "no we didn't" / "yes we did" as "we did not get sexual, but we made love in every way that matters / what we had was at least as if not more significant than having sex"
posted by jordemort at 3:36 PM on April 20, 2023 [14 favorites]


That was also my take, because he was always shown to be a gentleman and any joke or yes/no response to Rebecca specifically would have been confusing and unfun (if not possibly alarming) so he only mentioned it when he wasn't speaking to her.
posted by jessamyn at 3:59 PM on April 20, 2023 [6 favorites]


they didn’t have sex, but they did make love
posted by DoctorFedora at 7:04 PM on April 20, 2023 [6 favorites]


Add me to the tally for "yes we did" means "we had an amazing personal connection" and nothing more.

It'd be completely antithetical to the entire Ted Lasso universe for Rebecca to have been too blackout drunk to remember a sexual experience that would have happened without her meaningful consent, and/or for a man to have had sex with her in that state. I can hardly think of anything less Lasso-like.
posted by BlahLaLa at 8:02 PM on April 20, 2023 [10 favorites]


I get that people have epiphanies on that shit, but also you trip for hours and vomit profusely

The reason you steep psilocybin through a mild black tea is that it negates the nausea, and provides a far gentler hallucinogenic experience. Not weaker, but more of a rolling psychedelia, which makes it a lot easier for inexperienced imbibers to handle.

Trust Coach Beard. He knows his shit.
posted by Tom Hanks Cannot Be Trusted at 7:15 AM on April 21, 2023 [17 favorites]


This show is good at character, which is why this episode was good. Zava and Shandy were never more than caricatures (surprising for this show) and Jack is just a blank space where a character should be. Having them absent this episode let the show focus on what it should. It's just a shame they spent so much of the season on the caricatures.

And the actor who plays Leslie clearly actually knows how to play bass!
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 1:53 PM on April 21, 2023 [15 favorites]


I apologize. I am one of the most uninterested-in-drugs people on the planet and had no idea what kind of tripping-balls substance Beard was using. I apologize for not knowing crucial differences between shrooms and ayuhuasca (which is what I vaguely presumed it was), or whatever else. Mostly I just remember vomit being involved in like, all tripping-balls stories I ever hear, so I assumed that was a feature of all of it.
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:35 PM on April 21, 2023 [1 favorite]


> they didn’t have sex, but they did make love

Coach Beard, is that you?
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:46 PM on April 21, 2023 [9 favorites]


"Yes we did" -- I'm going to assume he meant, "Did we exchange contact information and make concrete plans to talk soon?

I'm assuming Rebecca and Dutch Guy will get back together. She'd better not be pregnant, that would make him a creep and make the show ridiculous considering a doctor literally told her that wasn't going to happen last episode.

I enjoyed this one. Even the weirdness with Ted. Jamie and Roy on bikes was the best. This show has established such good characters that they can have a "bottle episode" (I know, not the right term) where the characters are split up and do inconsequential things and it works incredibly well.

My criticism of Keeley being segregated to "The Keeley Show" still stands, she literally realized she was in the wrong show at the beginning of this episode, apologized, and left...

Fun fact: All Dutch people have either Martin Garrix or Tiësto as a cousin.
posted by mmoncur at 9:17 PM on April 23, 2023 [4 favorites]


She doesn't need to be pregnant for the psychic's prediction to be true -- she can be a stepmom to nameless guy's daughter. And with her resources it would be easy for her to get back in touch with him. I like him! I hope it works out for her.
posted by The corpse in the library at 5:17 AM on April 24, 2023 [6 favorites]


I enjoyed this more than the remainder of the season, but I agree with the AV Club that isolating the characters from one another (especially Ted and Rebecca) is robbing what makes the show truly special. That's why the Roy/Jamie and Trent/Colin storylines were the best ones in this episode, because they are about characters we care about being fundamentally good to one another.

I remain irritated that Ted is still so bad at his job, three seasons in. I was excited during the burger barn scene, because I thought Ted's outsider status was leading to him actually thinking up some new approach to the game. But then my wife said, "this is how I learned to play soccer in middle school." So Ted's massive insight is to dream up something that has already existed for 50 years and that Beard was already aware of because he went to the trouble to learn about his job.

I know that the show isn't really about football/soccer, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to cheer for a guy who has so little interest in getting better at the thing he's actually in the country to do.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 7:39 AM on April 24, 2023 [3 favorites]


I know that the show isn't really about football/soccer, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to cheer for a guy who has so little interest in getting better at the thing he's actually in the country to do.

It's always been that Ted is more of a people coach. He reads staff and players and figures out how to bring the best out in them. At this level, they know how to do well, but it's also clear, this season in particularly, his ability to do so has been undermined by his own recent divorce trauma. He's recovering, and I think, as part of that recovery, he's unconsciously beginning to connect the dots that he relied on others to do for him. I wonder if this isn't the first step to him beginning to fully understand and master the game, versus his reliance on his ability to motivate others to do it in his place.

After all, even in American football, it's common practice to have one coordinator overseeing the offensive side of the game (instruction/play calling) and one the defensive side (instruction/play calling). So the head coach, while expected to know these areas well (usually coming up one side or the other) typically delegates quite a bit and focuses on overseeing the team as a whole. I can't speak to how football/soccer coaching staffs work, but it isn't 100% surprising that Ted focused on the team as a whole more than focusing purely on the underlying strategy that he's used to delegating to others.
posted by Atreides at 9:39 AM on April 24, 2023 [1 favorite]


I wonder if this isn't the first step to him beginning to fully understand and master the game, versus his reliance on his ability to motivate others to do it in his place.

I don’t know about this… it seems to me like this entire season is setting up Ted going home. He misses his kid, he misses America. It’s come up in some way or other in pretty much every episode. I’m assuming we’re gonna see Ted go home to coach American football again, possibly with Beard becoming team captain for Richmond.
posted by showbiz_liz at 9:55 AM on April 24, 2023 [7 favorites]


I don’t know about this… it seems to me like this entire season is setting up Ted going home. He misses his kid, he misses America. It’s come up in some way or other in pretty much every episode. I’m assuming we’re gonna see Ted go home to coach American football again, possibly with Beard becoming team captain for Richmond.

There isn't any reason why both these things can't happen, tbh. It would allow him to leave, not because things are going awful at Richmond, and he misses his son, but because he has that success he can walk away from because he values his relationship with his son so much. He excels, beats West Ham, and then offers Nate his job in an environment that's good for Nate, and then he goes home to Kansas.
posted by Atreides at 11:20 AM on April 24, 2023


A lot of good in this one!
I loved Jamie's whole relationship with Amsterdam. Plus his not really remembering losing his virginity but remembering his first stroopwafel.
I loved seeing Keeley on the TV - great callback and the bad dubbing made it even better.
I'm thinking that the Dutch guy's young daughter's bedroom is a hint that he may be the route toward the family Rebecca was promised.

On the less-loved side, I'm not sure I believe that Roy could learn to ride a bike that well, that quickly, but some of his riding reminded me of Muppets on bikes, and knowing his love of the Muppets that might have been intentional, so I'll let it slide.
I have a hard time believing that all of (any of?) Rebecca's clothes can go in the dryer, so that whole plot was suspect to me. But I'm very impressed that Apple allowed people to toss their phones without showing them replacing them.
And how hard would it have been to show the bus driving away past one tulip? Dani was robbed!
posted by Mchelly at 12:56 PM on April 24, 2023 [5 favorites]


> offers Nate his job in an environment that's good for Nate

Oh god, I hope not -- I'm firmly in the anti-Nate camp, here. Nate said horrible things about everyone on the team. Why should they all forgive him? And trust him to lead them? How could he possibly be the best qualified person for the job?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:17 PM on April 24, 2023 [5 favorites]


Oh god, I hope not -- I'm firmly in the anti-Nate camp, here. Nate said horrible things about everyone on the team. Why should they all forgive him? And trust him to lead them? How could he possibly be the best qualified person for the job?

One, he'll earn it. Two, this is Ted Lasso. Nate is entirely on a redemption arc at the moment.
posted by Atreides at 2:24 PM on April 24, 2023 [1 favorite]


Ugh, you're probably right.
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:37 PM on April 24, 2023


Nate said horrible things about everyone on the team.

He bullied Will, too. He had a tiny taste of power and abused it terribly and the writers and Nate haven't addressed that at all since Nate left. I really don't think there's room in six episodes for everyone to move on from that and hand Nate even more power in a way that would satisfy me. If the writers wanted to do a satisfactory redemption arc they shouldn't have been fucking around with Nate doing nothing but look mopey in the first six episodes of this final season.
posted by creepygirl at 3:28 PM on April 24, 2023 [6 favorites]


Yeah, this is a show that COULD HAVE turned Nate into someone we all love in six episodes -- look at what they did with Jamie Tart! but they haven't done that and it's a bit late to start. Pretty much the best thing they've done with Nate was one episode (previous to this) where he acted vaguely like a human being and didn't hurt anyone.

That said, with a good apology scene and then a scene where Roy whispers in his ear "If you say anything even slightly upsetting to anyone on the team I'll rip one of your arms off and then bludgeon you with it" I'd accept his return.
posted by mmoncur at 3:55 PM on April 24, 2023 [2 favorites]


On the less-loved side, I'm not sure I believe that Roy could learn to ride a bike that well, that quickly

I justified it by remembering:

1. Roy is a phenomenal physical specimen.
2. He has almost certainly used a stationary bike during his training.
3. The biggest obstacle in learning to ride a bike is freaking out about the possibility of falling but footballers have made falling down like half their game strategy so Roy has the advantage of not finding it intimidating.
posted by Parasite Unseen at 9:08 PM on April 24, 2023 [18 favorites]


one funny thing is that I'd only recently watched the Technology Connections videos on home electrification and the low-power-consumption-but-relatively-slow heat-pump-based dryers used in Europe, so I actually somehow managed to have the context to understand why it would take Helpful Dutch Guy's dryer three hours to dry Rebecca's clothes
posted by DoctorFedora at 11:27 PM on April 24, 2023 [15 favorites]


Also if I'm understanding Total Football correctly from a few snippets being shared in Lasso chats online, it needs a spirit of improvisation to work. Kind of like jazz, yes?
Let's get lost
Lost in each other's arms
Let's get lost
Let them send out alarms
And though they'll think us rather rude
Let's tell the world
We're in that crazy mood

Let's defrost
In a romantic mist
Let's get crossed
Off everybody's list
To celebrate this night we found each other
Mmm, let's get lost
(Chet Baker)
Something we have talked about before, is the notion that something like a poem or a song (or, of course, a TED talk) could serve as the narrative scaffolding around each episode is written. Here, the idea of getting lost and being forced to improvise, of not going into life with a certain agenda - is absolutely crucial to the episode.
posted by rongorongo at 4:40 AM on April 25, 2023 [4 favorites]


Ted Lasso’s Jeremy Swift Is Still Buzzing From Higgins’s Big Night Out [Vulture / Archive]
posted by ellieBOA at 8:48 AM on April 25, 2023 [4 favorites]


I'm friends with several people who are about a good quarter-of-a-century younger than me. I mentioned this shout-out in a group chat. Nobody knew what I was talking about, so I assigned them all movie-watching homework. I hope they enjoy it!

I hope you also assigned Pulp Fiction for the Yankee Doodle Burger Barn scene :)
posted by oneirodynia at 4:13 PM on April 25, 2023 [1 favorite]


gosh darn it, that's a mighty tasty burger
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:53 PM on April 25, 2023


God just so much to love here. Like "Beard After Hours," this one was just double-stuff'd with goodness as well as things to try to catch. The thing I didn't catch until this morning is that the homomonument, where Colin and Trent have their talk, is not just (obviously) extremely appropriate for their conversation, but is also a monument of three pink triangles which then form the basis of a larger triangle. Thankfully Ted Lasso knows better than to oversell that, which would be much too cute for what the monument memorializes, but it's cool that the structure of it ties into Ted's own revelations in the episode.

I definitely read Egg-frying Dutchman's "Oh yes we did" as "We didn't have sex but we made absolutely made love in the emotional connection sense of things," which as others have said is I think the only appropriate reading of it for this show. To say nothing of the fact that, if they actually wanted to leave the question of sex open, they wouldn't have included the bit of him covering her up and shutting the door. Now, between his unmet daughter (or son possibly, I don't think they stated it outright) and the lack of names, phones numbers, and even him living on a houseboat, Rebecca is set up for her own version of a Cinderella Story, but with her potentially in the role of the Prince. I don't love that it adds to the "Psychic was right" stuff but I care less when it's Rebecca getting a happy ending.

Trent & Colin was wonderful. Agreed that Trent shouldn't need to be gay in order to know not to out someone, but I can give that a pass because 1.) as a gay man and a journalist, it makes sense that he would feel both the "need to report" and the need to absolutely not report very intensely and personally, and 2.) because he was saying what he needed to to get through to Colin, a man whom Trent knew needed a confidante at that moment.

Jamie and Roy were delightful, as were Higgins and Will (kept waiting for the other shoe to drop on the couple in the jazz club, that was perfect.) The stuff with the team started awkwardly but ended beautifully (Isaac's quasi-Shakespearean outburst, the pillow fight) but do we really have to keep breaking poor Dani's beautiful heart like this? Show the man a tulip!

And yeah, I was worried about Ted's trip into unreality when it first started, but the way it was done grabbed me quickly enough. I'm kinda "meh" on the "dud batch" twist, but it's fine. I think the important thing is that Ted stepped out of his comfort zone and found inspiration, especially because now the season and series can move into the home stretch with that kind of energy. Finally.
posted by Navelgazer at 7:58 AM on May 20, 2023 [1 favorite]


On the less-loved side, I'm not sure I believe that Roy could learn to ride a bike that well, that quickly

I think its weirder he didn't learn faster: as a professional athlete in a sport where you notably cannot use your arms, he should be relatively familiar with pedaling from all the exercise biking done over his career, and going faster is pretty key in balance stability.
posted by pwnguin at 11:50 PM on May 29, 2023 [3 favorites]


low-power-consumption-but-relatively-slow heat-pump-based dryers used in Europe, so I actually somehow managed to have the context to understand why it would take Helpful Dutch Guy's dryer three hours to dry Rebecca's clothes
As the former owner of an (American) combo washer/dryer, let me just say that 2:50 is an unreasonably short amount of time to expect to get something kinda-sorta dry in one of those things.
posted by schmod at 4:07 PM on July 2, 2023 [1 favorite]


Oh, and good god, this was so much better than the trainwreck of the previous episode.
posted by schmod at 4:07 PM on July 2, 2023 [3 favorites]


I wish someone (Beard, Jamie, or Will, probably) had given Dani a tulip on the bus. And in my head, that is now what happened.

i'd bet a shiny nickel that Boat Guy is getting that phone out of the canal.
posted by DebetEsse at 12:36 AM on October 28, 2023 [1 favorite]


Most of the team argues over whether or not to go to a sex party or a party 2 hours away, except for Dani arguing for tulips and Colin....see below.

Technically we only know that one person voted for a tulip. In Spanish.

Unremarked upon so far, the Beardest line yet from Coach Beard: “I don’t say this often enough because I think it’s implied but: trust me.”

I am less disappointed with Lasso reinventing a style from half a century earlier than with his insight that any given group of three will form a triangle. My film prof in university was obsessed with the way so many directors and cinematographers used triangles in their composition on screen.

I am not sure anyone ever told her that if you put three points on a plane, unless they are in a straight line they can only form a triangle. I will not mention my school here save that if you took a film course there late in the last century, you will absolutely recall Gillian and her triangles; consider this a single knowing nod of recognition.

As for the implausibility of Roy’s cycling skill acquisition, I will only say that you should watch Taskmaster. Well, everyone should, just on general principle, but in season 12 there is a task which involves performing several actions while riding a bicycle. Victoria Coren Mitchell confesses immediately upon hearing the task that she has never learned to ride one (just as Roy did here). VCM is undeniably brilliant but I am certain she would not dispute an assessment that she is about 9% as athletic as Roy is portrayed as being, and she went from zero to wobbly motion in two minutes. Indeed, after her task was over, she asked to continue riding for a few minutes as she was enjoying it so much.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:12 PM on November 20, 2023 [2 favorites]


I am less disappointed with Lasso reinventing a style from half a century earlier than with his insight that any given group of three will form a triangle. My film prof in university was obsessed with the way so many directors and cinematographers used triangles in their composition on screen.

I am not sure anyone ever told her that if you put three points on a plane, unless they are in a straight line they can only form a triangle. I will not mention my school here save that if you took a film course there late in the last century, you will absolutely recall Gillian and her triangles; consider this a single knowing nod of recognition.


As an aside to this, a triangular structure was used by Rian Johnson in figuring out character interactions/dynamics for The Last Jedi. Poe > Leia > Holdo / Leia > Luke > Kylo / Finn > Rose > DJ.
posted by Atreides at 11:32 AM on November 21, 2023 [1 favorite]


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