The Acolyte: Lost / Found
June 4, 2024 7:49 PM - Season 1, Episode 1 - Subscribe

100 years before the events of The Phantom Menace, during the High Repulic Era, the Jedi pursue a suspect after a shocking crime.

Written and directed by Leslye Headland, who created the series Russian Doll for Netflix.

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posted by 1970s Antihero (29 comments total)
 
Ok, so I know Star Wars is space fantasy and I don't expect or need it to be exceedingly realistic when it comes to like, the laws of physics. But a space fire extinguisher? Really?
posted by whir at 9:27 PM on June 4 [2 favorites]


You can have fire in space, if something is leaking oxygen... but Star Wars is all about technology that looks cool, not what makes sense.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:47 AM on June 5 [2 favorites]


Raise your hand if you did not expect Carrie-Ann Moss to die in the first 10 minutes of the show because I sure didn't. I wonder if it doesn't mean that there'll be a flashback at some point or she's not as dead as a knife to the heart will do to a person.

I'll be honest, this first episode left me feeling a bit "meh" overall and more for the aesthetic reasons, which I'm going to pick at first so I can end on the things I liked.

Character Design

Okay, this is probably 100% persnickety and I own up to that. I decided pretty quickly that for the most part Lee Jung-Jae does not deserve that wig they plopped on his head. Elsewhere they show a Jedi with a short cropped hair cut and that would have worked so much better. He was otherwise amazing, especially for someone who had to learn English to speak his lines. He was great.

Vernestra Rwoh. I'm a High Republic fan, and well, maybe being over 100 years old will do things to a Mirialan, but losing one's hair and a sleeveless robe just doesn't really feel the Vern I'm used to (this is meaningless to non THR folks and that's okay).

Jecki - I can't help it, I look at Jecki and feel like it's a rift on David Bowie's Starman. Maybe it's the wig, or the pale face, I don't know. The character, itself, is fine!

Jedi Robes - A'ight, the gold is just too dark. Maybe that's intentional as it's supposed to lean into the boring brown we find the Jedi adopting by the time of the Phantom Menace, but I think a brighter gold would have worked better. The idea behind the Jedi robes in the High Republic, gold tabards, white cloaks, was that they were not thrown into situations where these garments of office would be dirtied and stained, etc. This may be still in play, I'm not sure.

Opening Non-Crawl - Ahem, there hasn't been peace for centuries. Just about 150 years or so before, the Republic was cleaved almost in half and the Jedi pushed to the edge in a major galactic battle with the Nihil. But canon semantics, be gone!

Sets

This gets better"ish" in the second episode, but there were unfortunate Volume feels to some of the outside shots. Then, for an inexplicable reason, whenever anyone is on a starship, the lighting, or the material used to build the interior, feels like I'm watching a British sci-fi show, like Doctor Who (with no disrespect to Who here, it's one of my faves). The environment and atmosphere simply did not feel like I was watching a piece of the Star Wars franchise for whatever reason. I can't explain it any better.

Last complaint, is how Vernestrah Rwoh was presented and I blame the High Republic books and so on for this issue. In those books, we meet Rwoh as a prodigy, one of the youngest ever to pass the trials to become a Jedi Knight and even had a padawan by the time she was 20 or so. She has personality and curiosity, enough to experiment with things like her lightsaber that pushes the boundaries of expected Jedi behavior. She also has problems landing ships. The way Headland and Henderson present her here is just...like a glass of room temperature water. Again, in the history of the universe, Rwoh is over 100 years old easily, but Yoda manages to keep some of his personality at age 900, ya know? I hope some background is offered to help explain the shift in the character who feels like she went from being more of a Qui-Gon Jinn Jedi to a Mace Windu type (haircut included). And to think that Vern pops up and the first thing she does is talk about negative visuals affecting the Order. WHAT. I was excited to see the character being part of the show, but at the moment, I wish they'd just created a new character. I'm open to see how things go, but erm.

Okay, Good Things!

Amandla Stenberg rocks in this show, be it from playing two different characters, to the clear work she put in on the fight choreography. I love both her characters.

I already mentioned Lee Jung-Jae, but he's equally fantastic but for the hair issue. I wonder if it isn't in part to instill a certain level of Qui-Gon Jinn quality to him as his approach to dealing with attachment feels similar.

Again, with the exception of Henderson's Rwoh, I pretty much liked all the remaining characters, too.

The general story that we're moving into is interesting. The strategy used by Stenberg's character to kill Moss' Jedi Master, i.e., prey on the Jedi's empathy was a nice, if not slightly expected touch (recall the Grand Inquisitor's speech in Kenobi in the first episode or so).

The space visuals look cinematic in quality, which I pretty much expect now thanks to the other shows and the great work by ILM. The music likewise felt very John Williams, dare I say, maybe a little too derivative? Is that fair? It worked nonetheless.

Things get better, as the second episode shows (I'll talk about that in that episode's thread), so while I felt "meh" I can say that feeling improved to "okay, I'm on board" as things progress.
posted by Atreides at 6:42 AM on June 5 [3 favorites]


You can have fire in space, if something is leaking oxygen... but Star Wars is all about technology that looks cool, not what makes sense.

It's also more or less consistent with Star Wars' version of space, where instead of hard vacuum it's more of a non-breathable miasma that conducts sound. You won't directly die of freezing/explosive decompression if you get shot out into it without a suit (see Leia in TLJ), but you'll have a tough time breathing if you don't scramble back into your ship or get a hold of a helmet/breathing mask.
posted by Strange Interlude at 8:27 AM on June 5 [2 favorites]


Leia’s experience spacewalking was surprisingly not all that unrealistic. Unlike the way space exposure is treated in movies like Sunshine or certain Alien ones.
posted by Pryde at 1:34 PM on June 5 [6 favorites]


Okay, so this is basically Wuxia Star Wars. On some level I’m surprised it took so long for that to happen.

I’ll forgive a lot if a show has good fight scenes, and it opens on a really good one. It’s fairly clear that they’ve decided that this will be a show about force-users fighting each other, and I’m absolutely here for that.

All the actors do their bit well. Though some, admittedly, have to do a lot with less. Yord and Jecki, especially, feel two-dimensional That Carrie Ann Moss dies was a surprise, but made me certain that there will be a flashback episode or two along the way.

There was an odd slackness in the storytelling, with things being set up and then going nowhere. Most prominently, quite a lot of storytelling energy is spent on setting up the Dybbuk parasite, and then seemingly it’s gone. I kept expecting that a lot of the show was the Dybbuk manipulating Osha’s mind, but if it’s a factor, that’s being strung along pretty far. Though I expect it to feature at some stage. My most out there theory so far is that Osha is actually the killer, and that she was captured by the dybbuk. The idea that Mae is still alive was created by the parasite, and the Jedi have let it happen in an effort to find out who the secret master is.
posted by Kattullus at 2:37 PM on June 5 [1 favorite]


I was telling a friend about my out there Dybbuk theory, and I realized that one thing wasn’t clear. I meant that the when the parasite created Mae in Osha’s mind, the knowledge about the crimes was transferred there, allowing Osha to believe she was innocent.
posted by Kattullus at 2:49 PM on June 5 [1 favorite]


Unusually for me, I started watching the day this came out. I can't believe I am getting in so early on the thread.

I liked it, mainly because Stenberg is compelling. I want to watch her.

And the mysterious past event that led to the revenge plan is interesting.
posted by medusa at 7:18 PM on June 5 [1 favorite]


I wonder if it doesn't mean that there'll be a flashback at some point or she's not as dead as a knife to the heart will do to a person.

My theory for how a certain character thought dead came back in the last season of The Bad Batch is that just because someone looks human doesn't mean that they are. (Also, the stab wound seemed a bit high on the chest for the heart.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:35 PM on June 5 [1 favorite]


I wonder if it doesn't mean that there'll be a flashback at some point or she's not as dead as a knife to the heart will do to a person.

If IMDB is to be believed, Carrie-Ann Moss is only in a single episode, so I’m not sure if I’d put too much stock in her returning for another episode.
posted by potent_cyprus at 5:19 AM on June 6 [1 favorite]


A certain actor who appears in Episode 2 was aged up with a lot of make-up; I think that points to seeing a flashback with the actor at his real age, along with Carrie-Ann Moss, who of course is ageless.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 6:06 AM on June 6 [3 favorites]


I enjoyed this well enough, it was competently executed. Remains to be seen if it's great or just very expensive middlebrow entertainment. Already doesn't seem to be an Andor, but maybe it'll be as good as the good parts of The Mandalorian?

The uninspiring competence reminds me of The High Republic: Light of the Jedi, the first novel in Disney's multimedia masterplan to reboot Star Wars. The Acolyte is the first TV show in this same storyline. There's a vast array of comic books and novels all fleshing out this time when the Jedi and the Republic ran things more or less competently with lots of conflict and growing doom in the background. The novel was entertaining and competently executed. So was this TV show. A little exhausted at the idea Disney has 20 years of product in the pipeline. At least it's a Star Wars story without Skywalkers? I'm fine with doubling down on the space wizards. There's some other fun new factions in the new stories too.

The other High Republic story I enjoyed recently was the excellent videogame Star Wars: Jedi Survivor. That's set in the Skywalker era but has extensive story drawn from the High Republic era. They really got the art design nailed on that one, a lot of beautiful art deco elegance. I hope some of that visual design carries over to the TV show (so far, mostly not.)

Back to this TV show Lee Jung-jae is my favorite as Jedi Master Saul Sol. Also liking Charlie Barnett as the brash young Jedi knight who looks very fit without a shirt on. (Sexy Jedi? Finally!) I'm also puzzled by the Carrie-Anne Moss cameo. If they teased a whole Generation X into watching this show with her trailer only to have her spend less than five minutes on screen I'm gonna be mad.
posted by Nelson at 6:47 AM on June 6 [2 favorites]


The other High Republic story I enjoyed recently was the excellent videogame Star Wars: Jedi Survivor. That's set in the Skywalker era but has extensive story drawn from the High Republic era. They really got the art design nailed on that one, a lot of beautiful art deco elegance. I hope some of that visual design carries over to the TV show (so far, mostly not.)

It's been interesting to see how they're quietly building into the PT/OT era elements of the High Republic, such as a Path drive from THR being part of a storyline in Doctor Aphra comic book, and also similarly, elements of the Nihil nether space in the main SW title.
posted by Atreides at 7:07 AM on June 6


a space fire extinguisher?

I'm pretty sure in one or more of the space battles in the final trilogy, there are Space Bombs. Let's just think about that for a second: bombs you drop from one craft onto another, In Space. Bomb. Dropping. In Space.

So, this wasn't anywhere near as compelling as Andor or as immediately fun/exciting as The Mandalorian (although I think the story/writing is better so far), but it was way better than the execrable Book of Boba Fett. I'd sort of put it around Obi Wan-Kenobi level after episode 1: kinda "mid," as my fellow teens say, but watchable and with potential.

I'm surprised they revealed the twin twist (assuming that there isn't some janky "it's a dream and Osha really is the killer" crap going on) so early. I would have thought they could milk that for at least another episode.

My question about Jedi Master Trinity Indara: did she think her attacker was Osha, or Mae? I don't remember if she used either name, but I guess I could go back and watch again...

Did anyone else find the last scene awkward? It seemed like a very abrupt cut right at the end. (Looking ahead, the last scene of episode 2 also felt weird to me as well, for similar reasons of timing)
posted by Saxon Kane at 11:41 AM on June 6


I'm pretty sure in one or more of the space battles in the final trilogy, there are Space Bombs. Let's just think about that for a second: bombs you drop from one craft onto another, In Space. Bomb. Dropping. In Space.

Empire has TIE Bombers doing runs on the asteroid the Falcon hides in, though as I’m typing this it occurs to me that it has significant enough gravity for the crew to be walking outside the ship while inside the giant space worm.
posted by potent_cyprus at 11:52 AM on June 6 [1 favorite]


If you want to be real mad, I think it’s TLJ that has capital ship bombardment shots arcing through space. That one I can’t think of an explanation for, in-universe or not.
posted by potent_cyprus at 11:53 AM on June 6


Hasn't Star Wars always been WWII aircraft carrier battles in space? They even have torpedo bombers that need to fly straight for a run, making them vulnerable.
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 11:59 AM on June 6 [2 favorites]


The bombs in TLJ gain velocity through the artificial gravity inside the bomber, but I don't remember any bombs arcing. They have a straight trajectory once they leave the one bomber that was able to release them.

Hasn't Star Wars always been WWII aircraft carrier battles in space? They even have torpedo bombers that need to fly straight for a run, making them vulnerable.

Yep!
posted by Atreides at 12:54 PM on June 6


The bombs in TLJ gain velocity through the artificial gravity inside the bomber,

Sure, fine, but I sort of think that when you have to come up with explanations like this for why something patently ridiculous on screen is not, in fact, patently ridiculous, maybe just don't do the thing. Like, just have the spaceships shoot lasers and missiles, leave the bombs for actually bombing planets with gravity n stuff. I mean, it's not a huge deal in a series about space wizards and magic microbes, it's just a silly little thing resulting from the inability of the franchise to get beyond WWII aircraft carrier battles in space.
posted by Saxon Kane at 1:30 PM on June 6


When I watched the scene, I really didn't care about the "how" because it was pretty great moment in the opening of the film and part of a building block in Poe's character development. As you said, it's no more ridiculous than laser swords, space stations that blow up planets, and so on. And I think that's part of the issue with the complaints about fire in space that some people make because they want to pick at something and try to claim it represents a reasonable argument for why a show is not good.

it's just a silly little thing resulting from the inability of the franchise to get beyond WWII aircraft carrier battles in space.

You say that like it's a bad thing!
posted by Atreides at 1:51 PM on June 6 [1 favorite]


"A jedi doesn't pull her weapon unless prepared to kill". Fast forward to Yord pulling his lightsaber at the first sound of footsteps. So is he the the incompetent aggressive cop or just using his weapon as a flashlight the way Homer opens beer cans?
posted by Gary at 6:46 PM on June 6 [2 favorites]


On the one hand it's bullshit that Jedi Master Trinity was only in the show for like 5 minutes, on the other hand, she would have been Jedi Master Trinity in every single fight scene, so uh probably for the best?
posted by Kyol at 7:21 PM on June 6 [2 favorites]


A jedi doesn't pull her weapon unless prepared to kill ...sayeth the (brainwashed/ indoctrinated / red-pilled) presumably sith-adjacent assassin.
posted by coriolisdave at 7:52 PM on June 6 [1 favorite]


"A jedi doesn't pull her weapon unless prepared to kill". Fast forward to Yord pulling his lightsaber at the first sound of footsteps. So is he the the incompetent aggressive cop or just using his weapon as a flashlight the way Homer opens beer cans?

This made me laugh, if only because in the second chapter of the newest Star Wars book by John Jackson Miller, The Living Force, there's a passing comment about a padawan in a droid driven sky taxi on Coruscant accidentally spearing their droid driver with their lightsaber when they activated it to use as a light source.
posted by Atreides at 8:55 AM on June 7 [1 favorite]


using his weapon as a flashlight

Funny enough, that's an explicit thing the game Jedi Survivor teaches you how to do. It's often your only good source of light.
posted by Nelson at 11:04 AM on June 7 [3 favorites]


Canonically lightsabres are used as cutting tools, not just for chopping up people and robots, eg, as in Ep I when they fail to cut through a door and successfully cut through a floor. Vader also cuts through a door in Rogue One, but in fairness, he is killing a bloke at the same time.
posted by biffa at 4:00 PM on June 7


Space fire is such a star wars flex. They know that we know there s no such thing as space fire. It s an aesthetic choice signaled as an aesthetic choice.
posted by eustatic at 5:32 PM on June 7 [2 favorites]


How come Vernestrah Rwoh looks so good at 100+ years old, when Barriss Offee aged so rapidly in Tales of the Empire?
posted by 1970s Antihero at 2:25 AM on June 11


Vern did lose her hair, but I suppose we can maybe argue that Barriss underwent a lot more stressful life events in those 20 years or so. But clearly, Barriss' aging was definitely intended to help visually convey the passage of time, and perhaps, as we stereotype of "older" people, a gaining of knowledge and wisdom. Additionally, there's the possibility, that with their race, it's the same other alien species, where one's attunement to the Force can extend an individual's life. Vern is just more attuned than Barriss.
posted by Atreides at 7:23 AM on June 11


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