The Flash: Versus Zoom
April 22, 2016 1:37 AM - Season 2, Episode 18 - Subscribe

For once, running faster is not enough.

The team develops a miniaturized tachyon device to enhance Barry's speed, and they finally talk about the origin of Earth-2's Hunter Zolomon. Also, the Supergirl crossover occupies a split second of screen time in the middle of the tachyon test - it's uncertain whether that is due to breaking time or alternate temporal flow or something between universes.

Despite Harrison Wells offering very reasonable objections, Barry talks Cisco into reopening a breach with his newly-discovered vibe powers. Zoom gets loose and defeats the gang because they thought a leg shackle would hold someone even more powerful than Barry.

For some reason, he can have pure black eyes now - presumably it is the same power that allows him to speak with the voice of Tony Todd.

Then the team decides to go ahead and just give Zoom the Flash's speed force, because making Zoom all-powerful without even attempting to trick or poison him is clearly the best strategy.

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posted by mordax (40 comments total)
 
You're an idiot, Barry.
posted by Mezentian at 1:45 AM on April 22, 2016 [3 favorites]


What is it with the superhero 'verse this week.

Supergirl was all kinds of stupid, Flash threw plot logic out the door completely, Arrow wisely took a week off, and Agents of SHIELD was actually some shades of gripping.

I'm actually afraid to watch Legends of Tomorrow tonight (because, let's face it, that plot seems really dumb).

I'm wondering if Tony Todd is the Black Racer? Or if it's Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt, who has somehow been taken over and then corrupted by Hunter Zolomon?

Admittedly, that's stupidly convoluted, but based in this week I think they must be going in that direction.

I mean: time shards?
Ugh.
posted by Mezentian at 3:02 AM on April 22, 2016


I think I gave up when the Scooby Gang had Q&A Time with Mister Zoom about his Evil Plan
posted by briank at 5:24 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


My name is Barry Allen, and I am the dumbest man alive. With the help of my friends at Star Labs, I can almost but not quite tie my own shoes. We had our nemesis exactly where we wanted him and there was nothing stopping us from injecting him with rat poison while he stood there and took it like a huge trusting idiot, but in doing so we would have wrapped up the storyline four episodes earlier.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:28 AM on April 22, 2016 [14 favorites]


My name is Barry Allen, and I am the dumbest man alive.

A challenger appears...
... My name is Rip Hunter....

etc.
posted by Mezentian at 5:38 AM on April 22, 2016 [7 favorites]


I was also amazed that Wells' Apple Watch connects to Earth-2's google from Earth-1, but that was so much less stupid than anything else I just decided, fuck it. Except not really because I mentioned it here because...really. I get the feeling that this season changed story gears at some point about halfway through, or that the writers were making it up as they went along; there's that same tapdancing story sense I got from the last episodes of BSG.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 5:40 AM on April 22, 2016


I was also amazed that Wells' Apple Watch connects to Earth-2's google from Earth-1

He downloaded Google before he left.

there's that same tapdancing story sense I got from the last episodes of BSG.

Or, as I like to call it "Kermit-arms plotting".

I realise the timeline doesn't work, but I like to think the writing room saw Batman Vs Superman between the Flash/Supergirl episode and now and... failed their SAN checks.
posted by Mezentian at 7:12 AM on April 22, 2016


Greg Berlanti went on record after this episode aired saying that they do not plan to leave Jay Garrick as a villain, so there's some twist coming where either the guy in the mask is the "real" Jay or the black-eyes-persona is some outside force possessing him. Either way, this episode was dumber than a bag of very stupid hammers.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:56 AM on April 22, 2016 [3 favorites]


Greg Berlanti went on record after this episode aired saying that they do not plan to leave Jay Garrick as a villain, so there's some twist coming

If the twist doesn't involve an EARLIER Earth 2 generation speedster called Jay,... eh. I'm maybe out.
posted by Mezentian at 8:14 AM on April 22, 2016


I think the man in the iron mask that Zoom has captive is a different Jay Garrick who will turn out to be a great guy.

But I might never find out because I think I've finally given up on this show. The writing is terrible on every level except for Cisco's lines.

First season: Flash faces off against an evil speedster who inexplicably hates him! It turns out to be someone he thinks he knows, but is actually a different person altogether!

Second season: Um... Flash faces off against an evil speedster who inexplicably hates him! It turns out to be someone he thinks he knows, but is actually a different person altogether!

It's like they have an intern cutting and pasting scripts together.

And: Zoom kidnaps Someone Important to get someone to do what he wants! Then they try to get Someone Important back, but Someone Else gets taken captive! Then they free both those people (but it's more important to stand there and talk than it is to free the mysterious third person...). Then the gang is smug and stupid and although they capture Zoom they would rather gloat than finish the job, so Zoom escapes. Then Zoom kidnaps Someone Important to get the gang to do what he wants! They finally are so tired of being stupid and wrong all the time that they finally go "Okay Zoom, you win" and give him what he wants without any kind of plan to trick him. Zoom gets what he wants, Barry loses his powers, and Zoom kidnaps Someone Important!

Holy crap, what a bunch of lazy, unimaginative wheel-spinning. (All the stupid interpersonal garbage is tone-deaf and cliche too, but I don't feel like writing another 4 paragraphs about that. I've already shown more care, imagination and skill writing this comment than the writers of the Flash have shown in two seasons, and I want to cut my losses.)

I expect Season 3 will be different though. Inside sources say they're going to change it up, and we'll see Flash face off against an evil speedster who inexplicably hates him! It turns out to be someone he thinks he knows, but is actually a different person altogether! But this time... (wait for it...) the suit will be GREEN!!!!!

Actually, I think idiot Barry losing his powers and becoming a normal human again is the perfect place to end this show's run. It's a natural ending point.

It's too bad this show is such a stinker. I really like the cast, I wish they had better writing to work with.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 9:20 AM on April 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


Greg Berlanti went on record after this episode aired saying that they do not plan to leave Jay Garrick as a villain

He's so so so much better as Zoom than Jay, so this totally follows considering the current trajectory of the show. Jay was such a wooden, useless character.

So much of this episode felt like hasty writing to cover previous holes. What was left is more holes for future episodes to cover. What holes you ask? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
posted by ODiV at 9:21 AM on April 22, 2016


So, I posted this thread because after I saw the episode, I wasn't sure anyone else on Fanfare was even going to bother, and I really felt like hearing some snark about it. You guys are great.

I will also say that the cool thing about doing it that way is getting to leave my review in 'tag' form in the post. That's pretty cool.

*adds 'facepalm' to the list*

I really hope they pull out of this monster downward spiral. I normally like The Flash even when it's dumb because the cast is pretty good, and they normally keep things moving well enough to keep me engaged when things don't make much sense.

This time, they dialed up the stupid and slowed events down - too much talking, plus no planning.

My name is Barry Allen, and I am the dumbest man alive. With the help of my friends at Star Labs, I can almost but not quite tie my own shoes. We had our nemesis exactly where we wanted him and there was nothing stopping us from injecting him with rat poison while he stood there and took it like a huge trusting idiot, but in doing so we would have wrapped up the storyline four episodes earlier.

... now I have opened up our Earth to new threats, and I used to be the only one fast enough to stop them. I *was* the Flash.

Previously, on The Flash:
[clips from this episode replaced by a sequence of Internet derp memes]
posted by mordax at 9:50 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't actually think Barry and company just gave Zoom what he wanted with no tricks. They're just saving that for the next episode.

Caitlin probably gave him some speedforce sickness or something. Or more likely, something that saps all the speedforce while healing his cell damage.

Hey, maybe Iris should start dating Wally.
posted by ODiV at 10:08 AM on April 22, 2016


Outside of all the stupidity already mentioned, I can't believe the first time Cisco tried to open up the portal, Barry was just standing around in his everyday clothes. Really, like what did you expect to happen? You'd just go for a stroll to the Earth-2 Gap to pick up some new chinos?

Did that wooden staircase on Earth-2 look familiar? I swear it was the same set location they used for the Queen manor over on Arrow.

I know the general consensus is Jay was a bit of a wet blanket, but I kind of liked that. I think the team needs somebody who looks and acts like an adult and I don't see anybody else filling that role, as even Joe and Harry seem incapable of that responsibility a lot of the time. So what I'm saying is I want to see the "real" Earth-2 Jay.
posted by sardonyx at 10:14 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hey, do we need the Flash costume for this scene?"
"Nah, the portal doesn't open until later, remember?"
posted by ODiV at 10:19 AM on April 22, 2016


Okay, assuming I must have blinked and missed it, how did it reference the Supergirl crossover?
posted by sardonyx at 10:20 AM on April 22, 2016


It's hard for me to make any intelligent comments on this because I'm still busy saying "Shut up Caitlin" over and over and cringing and moaning and hiding my eyes (seriously, that was insanely dumb. Shut up Caitlin. Shut up Caitlin. "If anything we had was real...". Shut up Caitlin.) but I did like Jay WAY better when he was evil. At least it cut down on the dopiness of that relationship by half, plus I think his hair looked really good. Maybe Zoom Hood Hair is just a great look for him?
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 10:22 AM on April 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


When Barry first tried that tachyon enhancer or whatever it's called and ran faster than he ever had before he ran into a wormhole, then immediately out again. When he got back to STAR Labs he asked how long he had been gone and it turns out no time had passed on Earth 1, so he decided not to mention it so as to not confuse viewers who did not see the Supergirl episode or are bingeing on the season on Netflix in the future.
posted by ODiV at 10:25 AM on April 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


This show takes things that should be difficult (I'm mainly talking about the development of advanced technology as well as the computer hacking) and makes them trivially easy. Mention the idea --> commercial break --> delivery of fully-functional tech. Or: Need impossible to get information --> clickety clack --> character has hacked every computer system ever invented. (A lot of shows do this. That doesn't make it OK.) It does this by simply skipping over the process. It's so lazy they might as well just have the characters be using magic.

It also takes things that should be somewhat easy (learning lessons about how to behave as a result of behaving catastrophically stupid in similar situations, trusting without verifying) and makes them incredibly difficult. It does this by making the characters stupid and unable to learn.

Now, there's some great dramatic tension that could be mined by setting up tension in individuals betwen being super-smart in some areas, but kinda dumb in others. People can be like that, and there's dramatic value to be found there. But that's not what this show is doing. It's just being crappy and lazy.

I can suspend my disbelief pretty thoroughly, but the writers seem to take that as license to abuse my intelligence. I know it's just a comic-book show, but that doesn't require it to be crap.

I feel like the writers have adopted an attitude of "So what, it's just a comic book show!" and as a result are writing a show that at its best barely meets my (admittedly somewhat low) standards for entertainment TV.

Apathy is a terrible starting point for a creative endeavor. Disdain for your audience's intelligence makes it worse.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 10:26 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


so he decided not to mention it so as to not confuse viewers who did not see the Supergirl episode or are bingeing on the season on Netflix in the future.

So, I actually liked that moment when it happened. As I sat watching the show, the look on Grant Gustin's face was some great acting and a very plausible character moment - from his perspective, Kara's not here, so talking about her doesn't fix anything.

This morning, coming here and reading stuff, I had some Fridge Logic:

They've made a great big deal about how the 'breaches are closed forever.' Barry's experience demonstrates that is not the case: we now know that a speedster of roughly Zoom's power level can cross interdimensional barriers unassisted. Just because *Barry* can't navigate that doesn't mean Zoom hasn't figured it out. Zoom's been that fast a whole lot longer, and demonstrated many tricks Barry doesn't know.

Pointing all this out actually makes Barry's 'we gotta get Zoom' thing make logical sense. Harrison Wells is wrong: Zoom isn't contained, they can't let it slide, they actually need to go beat him because Zoom is not going to give up on hunting Barry.

But... nobody on the show noticed either. So they had good justification and just dropped it.

So. More facepalm for me now!

I don't actually think Barry and company just gave Zoom what he wanted with no tricks. They're just saving that for the next episode.

Here's hoping, because ugh. Just ugh.

I did like Jay WAY better when he was evil.

Agreed. That guy does 'crazy intensity' reasonably well. I am sad about the serial killer plotline though - I was actually enjoying the notion that he was just a Velocity junkie doing anything to stay alive and get faster.
posted by mordax at 10:48 AM on April 22, 2016 [3 favorites]


Congrats mordax, you've exceeded the amount of thought and effort expended by the writers of this show. You are now overqualified and can never be hired to write for The Flash.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 11:03 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


Agreed. That guy does 'crazy intensity' reasonably well. I am sad about the serial killer plotline though - I was actually enjoying the notion that he was just a Velocity junkie doing anything to stay alive and get faster.

They're saving that for Season 3, when the new Mysterious Evil Speedster turns out to be Wally from the future or some bullshit.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 11:22 AM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


Agreed. That guy does 'crazy intensity' reasonably well. I am sad about the serial killer plotline though

The whole "Barry, but if everyone who could have helped him as a kid totally sucked" conceit is a good one, but it seems so obvious this was a direction the show decided to go in after the season was well underway. I wouldn't be shocked to learn the script for this episode had been conceived and written on the set the morning they filmed the big reveal. Zoom's "to steal away hope" line just underscored that they weren't even going to bother coming up with a motive for him. I like this show, but maybe the season-long arcs need to go. More Grodd, less plod.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 12:13 PM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


The whole "Barry, but if everyone who could have helped him as a kid totally sucked" conceit is a good one

I think I would like that as a conceit if it were a lighter touch (I know I'm asking for narrative deftness from comics), but PTSD dad murders mom forces son to watch isn't just Barry without help; it's totally a different/intensely more traumatic experienceand he was already fucked up before he got powers. An exploration of who Barry could have become (in similar cirumstances), without the love of Joe and support of the team after he got powers, with more of a focus on the effect of the Speed Force would be more interesting, I think. As it is, the story is "This serial killer got superpowers and it turned out badly," which isn't amazingly interesting.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 12:26 PM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's not so much "Barry without the Wests" as "Barry if his father really was a murderer instead of being falsely accused."
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:33 PM on April 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


"But... nobody on the show noticed either. So they had good justification and just dropped it."

I like the show a lot except when it stumbles, and it does that far too often. And this was more than a stumble, it was a trip on shoelaces and crash through forty pieces of heirloom china.

So little of this episode made any sense and/or was just lazy and uninspired. I had been hugely looking forward to Barry's reaction at having been to Supergirl's Earth and met Kara and so the way they dealt with that just infuriated me. But it also makes no damn sense. Barry just "crossed dimensions". So the first thing he should have said when he got back was "hey, I just crossed dimensions and went to another Earth!" And maybe they could have explored that possibility instead of Cisco opening a breach. It's not so much that I would have preferred that storyline, but that this one makes no sense whatsoever. He would have discussed it. They would have realized that this means that Zoom can escape Earth-2. It makes zero sense in the context of their concerns about Zoom that he would have been silent about what he'd just done and where he'd been.

Okay, and no one has mentioned this: Zoom took Wally to his lair -- which is on Earth-2. How? The whole damn plot was based on the idea that a) Barry inadvertently created the rifts between 1 and 2, b) allowing Zoom to travel to Earth-1, c) and they closed all those rifts, trapping Zoom on Earth-2, and d) Barry wanted to stop Zoom by regaining access to Earth-2 and so Cisco had to open a new rift, which he closed. Then opened again and closed.

The only explanation is that once opened by Cisco, a new rift was traversable by Zoom. But if that's the case, then any moment after he'd opened that rift, Zoom could have come through and they didn't seem worried about that.

I'd like to believe that the writers had an explanation for this and it was just cut but I really wonder if they just forgot that Zoom's lair is on Earth-2. But how could that be possible? How could they have forgotten this? Or, alternatively, they just didn't care? Given how monumentally stupid the rest of the episode was, that seems like a valid possibility.

Like everyone else, I couldn't believe that a) Zoom would just let Wally go and assume the team would comply with his demand and b) that the team would comply with his demand once he'd let Wally go. The only decent fanwank I could come up with was that Zoom had demonstrated that Barry couldn't contain him and so, well, he could have just kidnapped Wally again, or someone else. But someone should have just shot him (non-lethally, of course) while his back was turned. Anyway, I can sort of maybe be okay with this just because it's silver-age comic book logic -- they had an agreement, after all. Why wouldn't the heroes and villains honor an agreement?

I'm pretty sick of childhood trauma origin stories for supervillains.

Personally, I didn't really buy the actor's portrayal of Jay as villainous. I don't know what he and the writers were going for in that, but it didn't work for me. The argument might be that his vanilla personality was truthful to some degree and so it makes sense that it would still be partly present. But it just ended up seeming to me that he couldn't be Zoom, who was absurdly villainous. I mean, okay, apparently on Earth-2 Zoom played at being this superhero called "The Flash" and so maybe the idea is that he's sort of got multiple personalities. Or something.

I resent having to make sense of any of this.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:51 PM on April 22, 2016 [2 favorites]


You are now overqualified and can never be hired to write for The Flash.

Hahaha! Thanks. :)
*tips hat*

They're saving that for Season 3, when the new Mysterious Evil Speedster turns out to be Wally from the future or some bullshit.

Actually, that might work: Wally and Jesse could team up. They'd be like the Super Friends, only united by a common love of speed and disdain for their father figures.

The only explanation is that once opened by Cisco, a new rift was traversable by Zoom. But if that's the case, then any moment after he'd opened that rift, Zoom could have come through and they didn't seem worried about that.

I assumed that was the case - they never showed Cisco shutting it down, and there was no indication that his power required a constant effort to maintain a portal - he was doing CG to open it, then stopped.

I'm in the 'they didn't care' camp, personally.

I resent having to make sense of any of this.

Yeah. I've been having a lot of fun with this show, but this is all super shark a'jumpin', and not in a good King Shark way.
posted by mordax at 4:33 PM on April 22, 2016


I realized why I probably missed the Supergirl portal bit. I was so stunned at Iris' stupid comment of the day that my brain had likely shutdown. In case anybody cares, it was in reference to this season's sudden interest in motorcar racing (Wally street racing, Wally and Joe watching F1, etc.).

When TeamFlash is discussing how well the tachyon device is working and how much faster Barry is travelling, Iris, in her wisdom, offers the analogy of "it's like having a pit stop attached to your chest." No, you imbecile. It's exactly the opposite of having a pit stop attached to your chest. A pit stop literally means you get off the track and stop while things get fixed/topped up/adjusted. If she had said, "it's like having a push-to-pass or turbo boost button on your chest" that would have actually made sense. Mind you, if it had, it wouldn't have belonged in this episode with the rest of the nonsense.
posted by sardonyx at 8:55 PM on April 22, 2016 [1 favorite]


so he decided not to mention it so as to not confuse viewers who did not see the Supergirl episode or are bingeing on the season on Netflix in the future.

The real problem with bringing up Supergirl is that, logically, Cisco or Caitlin or certainly Wells would say, "Well, she sounds awesome! Say, why don't you BRING HER BACK HERE? I mean while we're all getting ready to fight an unkillable monster who's hellbent on murdering all of us?" But now that I think about it...nah, they wouldn't think of that, probably.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 11:30 PM on April 22, 2016


"Well, she sounds awesome! Say, why don't you BRING HER BACK HERE? I mean while we're all getting ready to fight an unkillable monster who's hellbent on murdering all of us?"

Thing is, that's easy to walk back: Barry has no idea where that universe was. He can't navigate interdimensional travel the way Cisco can, and it's easy to handwave that whatever breach he created during his run, it's too ephemeral for Cisco to get a bead on. (Plus, it was in the middle of traffic, not conducive to standing around with grim expressions conjuring CG.)

There's really very little problem saying they just can't find her, especially not on a useful timescale.
posted by mordax at 11:53 PM on April 22, 2016


Yeah, but I'd still think they'd want to see if Barry's speed can get him to Earth-2 or if Zoom's speed could get him to Earth-1, just as he made it to Supergirl's Earth-?. This is kind of a major revelation, that they can travel between parallel universes via only the speed force (or whatever).
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 1:01 AM on April 23, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is kind of a major revelation, that they can travel between parallel universes via only the speed force (or whatever).

Oh, sorry, I was sloppy there: I'm agreeing with you. My point is that 'the writers don't want to spend the money on a double crossover' is a bad reason for him to keep his mouth shut, from a meta perspective. They could handwave that easily.

He should *definitely* warn them that Zoom is even more powerful than advertised. It's a game-changer, and keeping it to himself makes him look even dimmer than I had initially realized.
posted by mordax at 12:09 PM on April 23, 2016


Thing is, that's easy to walk back: Barry has no idea where that universe was. He can't navigate interdimensional travel the way Cisco can...

Okay, so Barry wasn't trying to get specifically to Supergirl's Earth-n. Was he even trying to be transdimensional? I feel like the whole transdimensional travel was unintentional.

But when he came up with the plan to get back, he never raised any concerns about being able to get back to the same Earth he left. And he apparently got back to exactly where he intended to go without any problem. So either he's dumb but lucky, or he is able to go where he intends when he knows he's doing it.

If they ever explain it on the show I'm sure it will instead be something about how he was inherently pulled back to the universe he is attuned to because each universe has its own unique harmonic frequency, but if that's the case then why would he have jumped away from his home universe accidentally in the first place?
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 12:14 PM on April 23, 2016 [1 favorite]


But when he came up with the plan to get back, he never raised any concerns about being able to get back to the same Earth he left.

Argh! You're right.

If they ever explain it on the show I'm sure it will instead be something about how he was inherently pulled back to the universe he is attuned to because each universe has its own unique harmonic frequency

No addressing that was dumb though. He should've been worried, whether or not it was justified. You're completely right.

I increasingly feel like we're all staring into the abyss on this one. Like, the harder one stares into the plot of The Flash, the more likely a person is to just go mad.
posted by mordax at 12:30 PM on April 23, 2016


Stepping back in for a moment, it also occurs to me that this only one of *many* insane things to happen this time. Like, we've barely touched on 'time remnants.'

It's one thing when Eobard Thawne survives as part of a stable time loop... if that's what happened? It's something else when Zoom can run fast enough to literally create temporal duplicates of himself that are completely untethered from his own existence. (Plus, it seemed to me that he didn't really 'convince' his other self to agree to be murdered - looked more like he killed himself.)

... yeah, I think TV has finally made me want to just go outside for a bit. I better switch tabs and shake that off before I encounter the demon sunlight.
posted by mordax at 1:37 PM on April 23, 2016


I understood the time remnant thing to be that if the timeline is changed while someone is in transit between times, they are unaffected and cut loose from the timeline. Maybe I misunderstood. If not, that superficially makes sense -- one of those things that people casually write about time-travel for plot purposes -- but which makes no sense if you think about it because what does "while someone is in transit" mean in that sentence?

So I just filed "time remnant" under "time-travel nonsensical wanking" and no longer thought about it, just accepting it as hand-waving whatever the plot requires. In this episode, I'm not sure if they used it the way they've used it in the past, but basically I didn't even try to make sense of it. Although it definitely added to my frustration level with the episode, as yet more stuff that mostly doesn't make sense that they expect the audience to simply accept.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 5:14 PM on April 23, 2016


Wow this was disappointing. I realized a while ago I was mostly staying with this show out of love for Wells, but they really betrayed his character here. There's only one way that last scene could have gone if they were staying true.

[Zoom grabs the speedforce syringe, shoots himself, goes into convulsions, and drops to the floor, dead.]

Barry: "What did you do? I gave him my word!"

Wells: "I didn't." [looks around the room at everyone] "He tortured my daughter."
posted by straight at 9:02 AM on April 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Stay tuned for a preview of the season finale, "The Flash and Friends Get Ice Cream"!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:34 AM on April 27, 2016


Is there any explanation for why Zoom's outfit is a därk version of Barry's instead of a black inversion of the Earth 1 Flash costume?
posted by straight at 12:39 PM on April 28, 2016


The writing is terrible on every level except for Cisco's lines.

At this point I'm basically watching "The Cisco Show", which keeps getting derailed by his friends doing dumb things for inexplicable reasons.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:01 PM on May 5, 2016 [1 favorite]


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