The Expanse: Caliban's War
April 20, 2017 6:56 PM - Season 2, Episode 13 - Subscribe

Friendship ended with Cotyar. Now Bobbie is Chrisjen's best friend! asavage has a speaking cameo on UNS Arboghast, which goes poorly. Amos doesn't kill Holden.

It is the mark of a good life to have earned someone looking at you the way that Avasarala looked at Bobbie.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe (62 comments total) 9 users marked this as a favorite
 
Someone on the Expanse reddit (which is not quite a wretched hive of scum and villainy) pointed out that there's still a kid buried somewhere in the protomonster, so what we saw was basically a kid chasing a great new toy and then getting dissolved in nuclear fire.

Now you can has a sad too.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:59 PM on April 20 [5 favorites]


Okay, I'm officially impressed with Bobbie now.
Can anyone explain WTH happened when the ship got taken apart like Lego? Was it being assimilated or something?
posted by Kitty Stardust at 7:13 PM on April 20 [1 favorite]


I was wondering why Bobbie used her armor to pick people up instead of shooting them, then realized the Martians would have unloaded all the weapons when they originally handed it to the UN for study.

I think the Arboghast was being studied. I kept waiting for the humans to get studied...
posted by Mogur at 7:31 PM on April 20 [4 favorites]


I loved this episode. The series has really grown on me. In addition to the cast, the diversity, the kick ass women and men, and the fact that the characters feel true, trying to solve problems rather than doing dumb inexplicable things that are convenient for the narrative.
posted by zippy at 7:44 PM on April 20 [4 favorites]


I kept waiting for the humans to get studied...

It's already studied a few hundred thousand Belters.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:09 PM on April 20 [4 favorites]


The Arboghast getting taken apart like an exploded technical diagram was the protomolecule learning. Also notice that the "massive EM uptick" and the Martian ship just disappearing happened immediately after the protomolecule hybrid got vaporized by the Roci's drive plume, although relativistically at the distances they were at it's impossible for communication to have occurred. More protomolecule weirdness.

I loved the scene between Janus and Iturbi just before that: We understand each other well enough at this point that I'll make your argument, you make mine, and then we'll go ahead and do the thing that needs to be done. And I imagine that if you're a scientist, there are probably worse ways to go out than while realizing "I'm experiencing something no human before us has experienced."

Actually there were a number of scenes I loved, which I won't list now. But wow, Wes Chatham is great. Not just the shirtless fanservice (although, thanks for that, much appreciated) but the scene between him and Naomi with the apologies, and the scene with him and Holden when Holden's pinned… so good. I really hope casting directors are paying attention to what a subtle and interesting actor he is.
posted by Lexica at 9:19 PM on April 20 [11 favorites]


Avasarala prodding Cotyar's wound to revive him made me laugh hard. Perfect.
posted by hoodrich at 9:42 PM on April 20 [2 favorites]


Good episode, bad place to end a season, IMO. Sigh. I really shouldn't watch these things until they are done, especially when they do such short seasons.
posted by wierdo at 1:11 AM on April 21 [1 favorite]


wierdo: Good episode, bad place to end a season, IMO. Sigh. I really shouldn't watch these things until they are done, especially when they do such short seasons.

I didn't even realize it was the season finale until now. :/
posted by bluecore at 6:49 AM on April 21


Yeah, there were a lot of things that I really liked about this episode, but it seems like such an odd place to cut it. We still have no idea about Mei - or rather, we do but the protagonists don't. Avasarala's misfit crew aren't dead, but we have no idea about what comes next. This is about the midpoint of the book as I recall, though they did this last time as well.
posted by corb at 7:27 AM on April 21


They cut the season in an odd place last year too. It's odd places in the books for that matter. They're moving very quickly through the novel series, a bit too quickly for me right now.

Loved the visual effects splashout though. The shot of the protomonster framed in the drive engine, the exploded science ship on Venus. Good stuff.
posted by Nelson at 7:31 AM on April 21 [2 favorites]


I wish I could find a screenshot of Avasarala looking up at Bobbie in her power armor. There's LUUUURRRRRRVE there.

I was wondering why Bobbie used her armor to pick people up instead of shooting them, then realized the Martians would have unloaded all the weapons when they originally handed it to the UN for study.

Even if it were loaded, her gun is made for shooting other people in power armor and would just have vented the ship.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:50 AM on April 21 [2 favorites]


It was nice to see one of mefi's own, asavage, on the Arborghast. Maybe he could lobby for more metafilter extras (dibs). I'm sure we could pull together a crew for the "Fabam Et Laminam" easily enough.

Amos has been a favorite this season, just because of fantastic acting, and he's a real anomalous type of character, but the deeper we get into his development, the more I'm just super stoked about the character (and really amazed at Wes Chatham's acting work). Amos trying to make good choices is like the most badass thing he does in the show.

One of the themes that's been revived in this episode is how cognizant mid-level players are of their 'status' in this world, and how little control they have over global (systemal?) events. Even though it isn't a genuine offer, the captain goes into depth about the same sort of idea Amos has coined 'the churn.' Like, this is a very real way to see the world, and at first I thought it was just a coping mechanism that Amos developed to operate with his mental health issues, but the captain brings it up in almost the exact same way without the name. I'm on the fence about how heavy handed this is dealt with with the characters. Like, it seems almost too lucid? I don't know many people who are sort of as fatalistic about their place in our world, regardless of the accuracy of that mechanism. I don't know if i'm explaining this clearly.

Basically, the internalization of the idea behind "the churn" seems more prevalent to people of the Expanse universe than to ours. I don't think it's a bad thing, and it's not being handled in a heavy-handed manner, but it's an interesting theme for sure.


Even if it were loaded, her gun is made for shooting other people in power armor and would just have vented the ship.

Pretty sure, given how smart-towards-war the Martians are, they would have several types of ammunition built into a single suit. Don't military units do that today? I mean, even cops have a couple different options built into their arsenal. I'm guessing the power armor she's wearing is the human-level Roci, and that's just not being explained well; the most cutting edge of military technology built for a number of operations.
posted by furnace.heart at 8:55 AM on April 21 [3 favorites]




Basically, the internalization of the idea behind "the churn" seems more prevalent to people of the Expanse universe than to ours. I don't think it's a bad thing, and it's not being handled in a heavy-handed manner, but it's an interesting theme for sure.

It feels very medieval, to me; it's an attitude that shows up a lot in Shakespeare when the poor are talking about how they're stuck in the power-games of the nobility. I think it's something that's more prevalent in ages where the divide between rich and powerful and everyone else is more formalized, which suggests - and they've certainly supported this with what little we've seen of earth, not to mention the life of the average belter - that the gap between the haves and the have-nots has grown insurmountably large. Given the way income inequality is growing in our time, the return of "the churn" kinds of attitudes, as opposed to poor Americans viewing themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, feels to me like a very reasonable (if bleak) near-future prediction.
posted by mstokes650 at 9:18 AM on April 21 [7 favorites]


Spasibo, tovarisch!
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:18 AM on April 21 [5 favorites]


It feels very medieval, to me; it's an attitude that shows up a lot in Shakespeare when the poor are talking about how they're stuck in the power-games of the nobility.

Yeah, that vibes right. I was also thinking that the actual size of population and the devaluation of life could be contributing factors here? Like, there's so many people on earth who just aren't really doing anything, that life is that much more devalued, so that bleeds over into the culture pretty strongly. The lack of mobility in this society seems pretty dismal.

I guess this also ties into Avasarala's threats to put people on basic assistance (and how incredibly powerful a threat that is).
posted by furnace.heart at 9:29 AM on April 21


Here's a tweet with a GIF of it: The actual hearts in Avasarala's eyes though!
posted by Lexica at 10:26 AM on April 21 [5 favorites]


This episode is as good a place as any to remark how much we have enjoyed the relationship between Avasalara and Cotyar, and specifically the delight that both actors have taken in it. Unfortunately, we can't help comparing and contrasting it to the screen incarnation of the relationship between Holden and Naomi.

I wanted to point out that the literal pro-forma discussion on the Arboghast between Janus and Iturbi is mirrored by the discussion between Cotyar and the security commander on the Guanshiyin. Elegant scripting.
posted by mwhybark at 10:31 AM on April 21 [5 favorites]


I must admit: I love Bobbie's characterization this season, but the power armor scene visually didn't live up to what I was hoping. Rather than Han Soloing in at the end, I imagined her having to fight all the way back through the ship, Hulk smashing armed henchmen into bulkheads, using ammo specifically created for ship boarding to obliterate others, and just generally destroy anything that opposed her - doors, men, whatever. A pissed off Martian Marine in power armor should be the single most badass weapon system we've seen thus far, but I felt like we got a couple TJ Hooker stunt throws and that's it. Honestly would've preferred less time/money spent on the creature effects on the Roci and more on this.
posted by bluecore at 10:32 AM on April 21 [7 favorites]


Basically, the internalization of the idea behind "the churn" seems more prevalent to people of the Expanse universe than to ours

It's a pretty common understanding in the military - that you will live or die for things that have little relation to your desires or choices. I know a lot of people who internalize it, so it didn't seem heavy handed to me at all.
posted by corb at 11:54 AM on April 21 [7 favorites]


To the folks complaining that we still haven't seen the full capabilities of Bobbie's suit: No, no we haven't. Considering there are many seasons' worth of material in the books, it's not much of a spoiler for me to say that Bobbie and her suit appear in more scenes and get to show more of what her suit can do.

Do you really want to see everything it's capable of the first time we get to really see it in action? That wouldn't leave anywhere to go.
posted by Lexica at 12:49 PM on April 21 [2 favorites]


That looked like pride in Avasarala's eyes to me. She'd seen the potential in a broken woman, and knew she was right to dust Bobbie off, put her back on her feet and add her to her team.
posted by rhamphorhynchus at 12:53 PM on April 21 [5 favorites]


A pissed off Martian Marine in power armor should be the single most badass weapon system we've seen thus far

On the other hand, the unarmed and unarmored Bobbie laid the smack down on two guards with (biometrically secured) automatic weapons.
posted by cardboard at 1:06 PM on April 21 [6 favorites]


To the folks complaining that we still haven't seen the full capabilities of Bobbie's suit: No, no we haven't.

I don't think we ever will. There's an asavage thing on tested where he's talking to the costume/prop people about the power armor suit, and they chose to go with a suit that Adams can walk around and act in. As opposed to Eyeron Man, where RDJ can't lift his arms except in the partial suit that's built especially for him lifting his arms (and fucks up something else).
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:07 PM on April 21


Lexica: Do you really want to see everything it's capable of the first time we get to really see it in action? That wouldn't leave anywhere to go.

I wasn't wishing for new capabilities, I was wishing for better scripted and shot action. We knew she left to get her armor, so a Han Solo appearance didn't do anything for me. I wanted to see her fighting her way back to Avasarala in a corridor of commandos, picking them up by their heads and bashing them against bulkheads like cantaloupes, picking up a dead one and using it as riot shield as the others fill the hallway with bullets from their assault rifles, punching through airlock doors sealed in front of her as they flee. Throwing a couple of them into conveniently place bookcases felt, as I said, like the stunts in a network cop show. I wanted Bobbie unleashed to be brutal and visceral.

cardboard: On the other hand, the unarmed and unarmored Bobbie laid the smack down on two guards with (biometrically secured) automatic weapons.

Yes, cool, but not very well shot, I'd argue. It felt slow. I don't need Bourne shaky cam, but it was a little too wide for my taste. The biometrically secured weapons were a nice touch, however.
posted by bluecore at 1:27 PM on April 21 [5 favorites]


I bet they were making her be extra careful after she threw the last dude into the tv set hard enough to shatter it.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:29 PM on April 21 [11 favorites]


That looked like pride in Avasarala's eyes to me. She'd seen the potential in a broken woman, and knew she was right to dust Bobbie off, put her back on her feet and add her to her team.

Could be! I see that too!

But I also see "Here is my new daughter" and even a little bit of "Take me now, sub-creature."
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:30 PM on April 21


"I'm sure we could pull together a crew for the "Fabam Et Laminam" easily enough."

BEST.MEETUP. EVAR.
posted by lapolla at 1:45 PM on April 21 [2 favorites]


and also!

we all see something in Ava's eyes; for me, it was RESPECT. which is closely related to love and pride, it's true. Bobbi is, literally, her hero. oh and, i don't think the friendship between her and Cotyar is done. but the trust, is.

but then, a person like Avasarala probably has very few friends, and even fewer that she can trust.

i agree with bluecore - as delightful as that look was, i found Bobbi's reappearance disappointing. her rescue of Avasarala deserved more than a slo-mo bit in a montage. also, that sequence with the elevator has been done too many times, in too many places. i loved her exchange with the electrician, though. when he asked her to rough him up a bit, her expression was so, so good.

as for Prax and the proto-monster? i almost wondered if he let it get close enough to realize it really was NOT Mei. somehow, looking into its eyes, he knew. at least, that is what i would like to think, as otherwise, everyone's attitude - and especially Prax's - was far too glib upon destroying the thing. i mean, y'know - whoo-hoo, got it! and all... even though i do not think there is still a "child inside" it. a new life form, yes. but not a human child, or the essence of one; not anymore.

and yes, Lexica! Wes Chatham is AMAZING. who would have thought that Amos would be my favorite character? not me. but Chatham brings such complexity to the character, with so little visible effort. brilliant. his eyes are SO expressive.

that said - Dominique Tipper owned this episode. Naomi really isn't my fave, but damn - that speech. if you just close your eyes and listen, and don't get distracted by the montage (and that fantastic moment when the research ship flies apart - OMG), you can hear how much she brings to it. it could have been corny, or banal. but it is achingly earnest.

and yeah this really didn't seem like a season finale. more like a mid-season break. but it was a good episode and not a bad place to pause - I AM SO HAPPY THERE IS A SEASON 3!!!
posted by lapolla at 2:17 PM on April 21 [1 favorite]


It's interesting to see that the people going balls to the wall in favor of leapfrogging human evolution to make us all protodudes have already achieved their human dreams.

Mao, Errinright, the doctors that have died, everyone willing to toss aside things like Bobbi's exoskeleton suit -- they literally have everything, they are at the very apex of human accomplishment. Do they even dream anymore, or have real ambitions?

The people most horrified by the protomolecule's power don't see it as an evolutionary leap. These people mostly have nothing -- they have their lives, but they are soldiers on Mars without an atmosphere to breathe. They are Belters struggling for their next breath, drink, bite of food, another day of life. These people still have HUMAN dreams they're not willing to let go of -- quite a contrast to the massive Haves pushing the protomolecule/human hybridization.

Interesting, isn't it? And just another of many, many parallels we've seen in the story so far.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 5:30 PM on April 21 [9 favorites]


> see something in Ava's eyes; for me, it was RESPECT

Yyyyyes, respect... and I do totally agree with the love/family/friends/trust thing 100%.

Maybe the books have coloured by perception but my take on that was that there was a significant amount of a Monty Burns steepled-fingered "Exxxxcellent."

Yes there is genuine affection for Bobbie, but also a big dollop of possessiveness and self congratulations for scoring such a useful and potent tool (catspaw/chess-piece/whatever) - and the wheels are already spinning on how to best apply Bobbie in a ... not "unscrupulous" but perhaps strategic manner for maximum effect.

Unicorn on the cob - yes, totally. It's mortality, one of the very few things in common between those who have achieved the apex of human accomplishment* and those struggling for another day of life, that is driving Mao and their ilk. This ilk, perhaps better explained in the books (and perhaps counter-argued in Clarissa), seem to care more about themselves than in merely having successful offspring - qv belters sacrificing themselves for their kids vs. Mao not particularly giving a shit about his (vs. Avasarala caring/loving/enjoying her grandchildren vs. Holden's polygamous family melding genetically into a single child for economic reasons - who then goes off to follow very high mortality rate/fertility endangering career(s)).

I don't know if this is too bukwala-ey, but some (at least) of the principals who were in the know about the protomolecule before general knowledge think/thought that they know something "special." Though, several very important and impactful implications can be easily drawn once the existence and purported origins of the protomolecule are known. All of this will probably be presented to the viewer mid next season?

*I would have chosen a different word, perhaps "success within societal systems of the moment"
posted by porpoise at 6:13 PM on April 21 [4 favorites]


I would wager that the season four opener will feature Bobbie taking over the entire ship with Avasarala walking serenely behind her, dropping f-bombs. Mao is going DOWN.
posted by Ber at 10:27 PM on April 21


Season three, right? This was season 2.
posted by Justinian at 12:55 AM on April 22


The bit with Bobbie and the electrician was more badass than the bit in the power-armor, I think - Bobbie is unarmed, walking slowly, speaking calmly, and the electrician is absolutely *terrified*. For me, this is the scene that sells Bobbie as an absolutely devestating force. And, er, also kind of hot.
posted by Mr. Excellent at 9:05 AM on April 22 [11 favorites]


I felt like we got a couple TJ Hooker stunt throws and that's it
I was a little bit disappointed too but the conundrum with filmed scifi is that it's horribly expensive to get right. The Expanse looks great but like other TV scifi shows there's a lot of people-talking-in-corridors scenes. But if the producers could get the budget for better action sequences, we know what would happen: instead of a smart TV show we'd get a tentpole franchise of $200 million action movies featuring Chris Pratt as Holden, Vin Diesel as Amos, Margot Robbie as Naomi, Scarlett Johansson as Bobbie, Kevin Hart as Alex and Sigourney Weaver as Chrisjen Avasarala.
posted by elgilito at 12:04 PM on April 22 [8 favorites]


Although I realize the cosmonaut contingent on the ISS probably has one I expect there'll be very few guns allowed on spaceships, or anything that easily makes holes in the walls. The elevator scene was a bit lame and something to show off the suit could've been cool (say a heads-up targeting of a flick of a teacup that takes out one of the bad guys).
posted by sammyo at 12:39 PM on April 22


The epic build-up to the power armour, followed by a quiet and slackly choreographed two seconds of Bobbie cow-tipping in a field, was super lame.

I could have done with less of the Roci Protomolecule - which, according to my stardate calculations, spent a cumulative three days of in-universe time punching through one (1) aluminium floor, and going up and down a ladder - and had some of that CGI budget put towards more PA-Bobbie kick-assery.

The exploded diagram of the Arboghast was probably the coolest thing ever, though.
posted by turbid dahlia at 5:19 PM on April 22 [8 favorites]


It's worth keeping in mind that this is apparently one of the biggest-budget sci-fi TV shows to date, at $5-6 million per episode back in S1, which I'm guessing has only gone up. On one of the Expanse-related podcasts (I forget which), Naren Shankar mentioned that the accounting department at Alcon Entertainment refer to the show as "The Expense".

Alcon kind of make me crazy. They've basically got fans hammering on their door hollering "We want merch! We want shirts! and posters! and a Belter language textbook! and… we dunno, offer it to us and we'll buy it!" And Alcon are just… nah, we're not sure there's actually any demand for this.

TAKE MY MONEY DAMMIT! LET ME SHOW MY TEAM ROCI PRIDE! I WANT AN OPA SHIRT! Argh.
posted by Lexica at 5:39 PM on April 22 [7 favorites]


If it's close to getting cancelled perhaps Netflix can pick it up.
They should create a company called Rand Enterprises to make it so we know it's an apology for Iron Fist.
posted by fullerine at 9:21 PM on April 22 [1 favorite]


a tentpole franchise of $200 million action movies featuring Chris Pratt as Holden, Vin Diesel as Amos, Margot Robbie as Naomi, Scarlett Johansson as Bobbie, Kevin Hart as Alex and Sigourney Weaver as Chrisjen Avasarala

and yet, i would watch that so hard.
(seriously, the elevator fight scene in Winter Solder was one of the most exhilarating action sequences i've seen. beautifully choreographed.)
posted by lapolla at 1:10 AM on April 23


Lexica - i would love some Belter temporary tattoos!
posted by lapolla at 1:16 AM on April 23 [1 favorite]


It's already been renewed for Season 3 so no need to worry for a while! The ratings and buzz online are all growing, I think.
posted by adrianhon at 2:57 AM on April 23 [3 favorites]


Oh, that reminds me – if you've got an inkjet printer, here are some Belter temporary tattoos generously provided by the Belt-punk band Xetamangz.
posted by Lexica at 9:55 AM on April 23 [3 favorites]


Hope this hasn't been linked previously, but here's Adam Savage talking to Wes Chatham.
posted by mordax at 10:28 AM on April 23 [4 favorites]


I miss asavage, but it was a sacrifice in the name of science.
posted by vanar sena at 9:12 PM on April 23 [4 favorites]


Savage's goofy look of worried awe when the ship got disassembled was classic.
posted by turbid dahlia at 9:31 PM on April 23 [3 favorites]


I expect there'll be very few guns allowed on spaceships, or anything that easily makes holes in the walls

For what it's worth, in the books they do talk about how there is special ammo designed for in-ship shooting which is designed to go through human beings but not ship bulkheads (and also recoilless ammo where the gun is actually more of a miniature rocket-launcher so that people shooting guns in zero-g don't necessarily go flying back in the opposite direction). They don't dwell on it, probably because it's not terribly plausible from a physics perspective, but they do at least take the time to tell the reader "we are hand-waving this away," which I appreciated.
posted by whir at 10:38 PM on April 23 [2 favorites]


The latter might not be plausible but the former should be fairly easy. Some sort of ultra-soft hollow point round.
posted by Justinian at 12:14 AM on April 24


Frangible ammo exists, though I don't know that it's ever been issued/used. "Recoilless" rifles and pistols have existed for decades though ISTR they're just less-recoil.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:01 AM on April 24


Hat Cop noted that the guards on the station that the IPA raided were armed with gel rounds. Which didn't do any damage on a space suit.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:06 AM on April 24


A small confession: I watch Expanse on my iPad, and for a few minutes afterwards, I'm tapping and swiping, pretending I'm working on a spaceship. :)
posted by Mogur at 6:15 AM on April 24 [1 favorite]


You are working on SPACESHIP EARTH! Hurtling through the cosmos at whatever km/sec!
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:47 AM on April 24 [2 favorites]


Mogur, you must try this and get your nearby fellow iPad people to follow suit. I think there may be additional similar apps as well. I have had it installed on this and that device but never had the gumption to gather a crew for a living room session with the TV as the main viewport. Really oughta do that someday.
posted by mwhybark at 1:50 PM on April 24


Spaceteam seems like it might be more accurate, given what we've seen of the rustbuckets lots of Belters are floating around in...

("FRAMMINATE THE JIB-JAB! WHO'S GOT THE JIB-JAB? FRAMMINATE IT BEFORE WE BLOW UP, DAMMIT!")
posted by Lexica at 3:10 PM on April 24 [4 favorites]


Frangible ammo exists, though I don't know that it's ever been issued/used. "Recoilless" rifles and pistols have existed for decades though ISTR they're just less-recoil.

Air Marshals load frangible ammo for the same reason one would use it on a spacecraft. It penetrates flesh, but doesn't tear up the aluminum skin. So yeah, it is a thing that exists. A small hole wouldn't cause catastrophic decompression or anything (there's already a vent on the order of a square meter on large aircraft!), just an annoying whistling noise, but the irregularly shaped hole and the stress involved in making it could easily lead to much larger holes thanks to crack propagation. It would not be nice to have a DHC Comet or Hawaiian Airlines situation suddenly develop because an Air Marshal felt the need to shoot someone.

Recoilless rifles also exist (and work!), it's just a matter of pointing the exhaust gases the right way to offset the momentum of the projectile. IIRC they are employed fairly widely in the military for ridiculously large caliber weapons that would otherwise be impossible to fire accurately in bursts. I believe the Soviets even issued recoilless handguns to Cosmonauts at one point. Plus they fitted some of their early space stations with large recoilless guns, similar in concept to how WWII bombers had gun turrets for defense.
posted by wierdo at 6:57 PM on April 25


lapolla: i found Bobbi's reappearance disappointing. her rescue of Avasarala deserved more than a slo-mo bit in a montage

I read it as: Bobbie's rescue of Avasarala was inevitable; the only tension was if she could get there in time. Hence the almost perfunctory fight sequence.
posted by dhruva at 8:33 AM on April 26 [2 favorites]


I kinda wished I'd had a copy of that map Bobbie found to refer to for the rest of the episode, since I wasn't sure how close she was to her goal at any point in the "can Bobbie get there in time?!" sequence. OTOH I am probably better off not trying to match scenery to a real map; that way lies the No-Prize.

Probably time to get on with reading the books before the next season, but I've really been enjoying watching the show fresh. Y'all have been great about being oblique about future plot points, and thank you for that!
posted by asperity at 11:29 AM on April 26


dhruva: I read it as: Bobbie's rescue of Avasarala was inevitable; the only tension was if she could get there in time. Hence the almost perfunctory fight sequence.

If rescue seems inevitable, then the writers & director dropped the ball. If you want to increase the tension of whether she'll arrive in time, you give her more obstacles, not less. Maybe season 3 will start with them fighting back to their own ship, but I'd argue you put your fireworks in the season finale.
posted by bluecore at 1:50 PM on April 26 [1 favorite]


I guess giving us someone to worry about in those scenes is why they had Cotyar get shot.
posted by rhamphorhynchus at 5:24 PM on April 26 [2 favorites]


It looked to me like the protomonster was still climbing/walking on the deck under gravity when Alex had cut the engines and everything was supposedly under zero-g.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 5:16 PM on April 27


If I were a protomonster I would totally have feet covered in tiny suction cups.
posted by asperity at 5:33 PM on April 27


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