Supernatural: War of the Worlds
November 24, 2017 12:18 PM - Season 13, Episode 7 - Subscribe

As Dean and Sam stumble across a familiar foe while investigating recent murders of witches. Interesting things are happening across the rift.

I'm not sure how spoilery it is to have a Lucifer plot summary out on the purple, so I went with that.

So wow that's an eventful episode! I have no real notes except I was really buying the Alexander bit for a second, except when they first found him alive and asking about Rowena I figured it was her reanimation spell that brought Ketch back.

Lucifer is just livin' life in many cages!

I'm glad Kevin's sort of back! I hope Osric Chau can do both this and Dirk Gently!
posted by numaner (8 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
I realised Osric Chau was Vogul's actor when he freaked out after Lucifer went through the portal. I immediately googled to verify. Without that scene I'd never have guessed.

Ketch looks completely different wearing a beard, until he spoke I wasn't sure it was the same actor.
posted by FallowKing at 12:11 AM on November 25, 2017 [1 favorite]

I was surprised they brought Ketch back. He was a good character, but his story seemed done and I don't know if anybody was clamoring for his return. I wonder if this was a roundabout way to set up bringing Rowena back? I liked her, but my understanding is the fans have been crabbing about getting rid of her forever.

Somebody floated the theory that Cas is really Mr. Inky in disguise, but this episode made me really doubt that. I was watching for any foreshadowing, and so far he REALLY acts like Cas. (Although maybe Inky is hiding inside Cas' mind or something. So far I dunno who the Big Bad this season is supposed to be. It could be Asmodeus, or Michael... or maybe Inky will play a bigger role.)

Just before they did the big reveal with alt-Kevin, when they opened the doors, for a second I thought it might be alt-Crowley!

It seems like they're trying to make Lucifer kind of sympathetic. He really got the crap kicked out of him, and it was pathetic watching his failing attempts to be a badass. But while Crowley could easily shift back and forth between bad guy and lovable creep, it's hard to see Lucifer swinging that. I mean, he's Lucifer.

(Fallowking, I think the Ketch actor may have put on some weight. He did look different, and I don't think that was only the beard.)
posted by Ursula Hitler at 9:22 PM on November 25, 2017

So I guess I didn't hate this episode, but it wasn't as sharp or tight as the first 5 this season, which were truly great. The last couple have been just a little off, somehow. Didn't need Ketch back. Meh. I'm just fine with Rowena staying dead, personally. Lucifer trying to partner with Cas was fun enough. There was a lot going on, but it was nice to see the different threads finally starting to be woven into a single coherent narrative.

I do love when Lucifer says "Oh my dad."
posted by terilou at 8:38 AM on November 26, 2017 [3 favorites]

I think they're setting up Ketch and Asmodeus as a complement to the Winchesters and Cas. Like, what would it be like if someone as skilled as the brothers teamed up with the bad guys?
posted by numaner at 1:32 PM on November 26, 2017

I didn't even remember this Arthur guy at this point.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:10 PM on November 26, 2017

I'm still convinced it's VoidCass. He read Cass's mind in the void to find out everything he could when we were first introduced to him. He came back too easily (with too little suspicion) for it not to be a set up later in the season. Plus I feel that Misha has been playing Cass with more of a smirk lately - but perhaps that is my projection.

LOVE that Kevin Tran is alive! Already forgot who Ketch was until they said his name. What a useless idea to bring him back. It would be great if he and Rowena stayed dead. Why not bring Charlie back? Why do the awesome women all stay dead and we bring back these useless characters. Ketch served his purpose and Mary put him down. It was a good ending.
posted by Suffocating Kitty at 9:12 AM on November 28, 2017 [2 favorites]


Lucifer: Hey, hey, I got an idea. Why don't you whale on Mary Winchester for awhile. I'll go get a latte, OK?

Michael: For now. I consider myself a man with a plan. Alternate universes? Not news. We've been exploring the idea.
Lucifer: "We"?
Michael: Bring him in. The greatest minds on this "dead rock", including our Prophet of the Lord.
Kevin: [enters the room]
Lucifer: Kevin? Kevin Tran?
Kevin: Have we met?
Lucifer: Uh, we had one of you in our world. The other you is dead.

Lucifer: What is this? Cincinnati? Excuse me, could you tell me where I am? Just a moment of your time, sir, 'cause I don't know where...
Woman: [stepping around Lucifer] Oh, my God. When are they ever gonna get those people off the street?
Lucifer: Excuse me? "Those people?"
Woman: [to her friend who is absorbed in her phone and paying no attention anyway] No eye contact, Beverly.
Lucifer: You have no idea who you're talking to, lady.
Woman: [dismissively handing Lucifer some cash] Here. And don't go spending it on drugs now.
Lucifer: [tosses the cash over his shoulder, indignant] I'm Lucifer. [snaps his fingers; nothing happens]
Woman: Honey, you're not Lucifer. My ex-husband's Lucifer.


"Duma" (Aramaic for "silence") is an angel mentioned in Rabbinical literature. In Jewish mythology he is the tutelary angel of Egypt, prince of Hell, and angel of vindication, having "tens of thousands of angels of destruction" under him, all charged with the punishment of the souls of sinners. According to Genesis 25:14, Duma is also the name of the sixth son of Ishmael, son of Abraham.

This is the fourth episode of the series directed by Richard Speight Jr..

The episode title is a reference to the H.G. Wells novel of the same name.

Erica Cerra, who portrays Duma, also portrayed Robin in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (ep. 6.22).

After Lucifer meets with Castiel, they go to Nick's Bar. Nick is the name of Lucifer's vessel. "Old Nick" is a nickname for Satan.
posted by orange swan at 4:07 PM on February 8, 2022

I don't understand why Sam and Dean would have merely dumped Ketch's body. Surely they would have burned it, not out of respect for him, but because they wouldn't want to risk having to deal with Ghost Ketch.

Ketch actually did a good job playing his own twin. I for one thought he was telling the truth.

It's a sign of how screwed up Dean's world is that Ketch coming back to life is more believable than him having a twin brother who is a mercenary hunter.

Lucifer trying to bluff his way through situations with angels and Asmodeus was an eye roller. I don't get why he wouldn't have lain low until he could figure out how to get his grace back. He would surely have known he couldn't pull it off, and wouldn't have wanted word getting out that he'd lost his powers.

Yay for the return of Kevin Tran, even if he's not "our" Kevin!
posted by orange swan at 4:12 PM on February 8, 2022

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