The Walking Dead: No Sanctuary Show Only
October 12, 2014 9:36 PM - Season 5, Episode 1 - Subscribe
Carol opens a can of whoopass on Terminus.
And I'm super excited that Morgan is back and on track to rendezvous with Rick's group.
posted by Jacqueline at 9:40 PM on October 12, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Jacqueline at 9:40 PM on October 12, 2014 [1 favorite]
How many other shows have a gray-haired woman as an *action* hero?
There are plenty of shows with hot 20-something women as action heroes (the "waif-fu" genre, mostly) but I can't remember ever seeing a middle-aged woman kick so much ass on TV before.
posted by Jacqueline at 9:45 PM on October 12, 2014 [14 favorites]
There are plenty of shows with hot 20-something women as action heroes (the "waif-fu" genre, mostly) but I can't remember ever seeing a middle-aged woman kick so much ass on TV before.
posted by Jacqueline at 9:45 PM on October 12, 2014 [14 favorites]
The back story of Terminus, or the snippets we saw of it (which was the right way to do it, I think), were creepy as all hell.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:47 PM on October 12, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:47 PM on October 12, 2014 [5 favorites]
I can't remember the last time I was this giddy over an episode of TV. I keep whispering* "CAROL FUCK YEAH" under my breath and giggling while wiggling my toes.
*husband is trying to sleep** next to me or I would be shouting and vigorously fist-pumping the air instead.
**thank you, mods, for dark mode Fanfare
posted by Jacqueline at 9:55 PM on October 12, 2014
*husband is trying to sleep** next to me or I would be shouting and vigorously fist-pumping the air instead.
**thank you, mods, for dark mode Fanfare
posted by Jacqueline at 9:55 PM on October 12, 2014
I missed this show so damn much. RIP, Tasha Yar.
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 10:17 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by Ik ben afgesneden at 10:17 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
Carol is awesome, but given how awesome she is, I find it weird that people are still listening to Rick when it comes time for the big decisions (like where do we go next).
posted by longdaysjourney at 10:29 PM on October 12, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by longdaysjourney at 10:29 PM on October 12, 2014 [4 favorites]
So speaking of Carol and her touching reunion with Darryl and how that reminds us all of how she used to blatantly hit on him and he responded awkwardly and uncomfortably to her innuendos (hey, the train of associations works for my ADD brain):
Is 'Walking Dead' Heartthrob Daryl Dixon Gay? Show's Executive Producer Responds
Gay would be pretty cool but given his apparent awkward interest in Beth, blushing virgin would be nice too. Outlander was very successful in subverting typical romance tropes and making the man the inexperienced one so I totally think TWD/Darryl could pull it off. And it's plausible given that before the zombie apocalypse, Darryl was just a redneck hick with an abusive druggie older brother who totally obliterated his self esteem -- his current hotness to the ladies is very post-collapse context-specific.
posted by Jacqueline at 10:31 PM on October 12, 2014 [7 favorites]
Is 'Walking Dead' Heartthrob Daryl Dixon Gay? Show's Executive Producer Responds
Gay would be pretty cool but given his apparent awkward interest in Beth, blushing virgin would be nice too. Outlander was very successful in subverting typical romance tropes and making the man the inexperienced one so I totally think TWD/Darryl could pull it off. And it's plausible given that before the zombie apocalypse, Darryl was just a redneck hick with an abusive druggie older brother who totally obliterated his self esteem -- his current hotness to the ladies is very post-collapse context-specific.
posted by Jacqueline at 10:31 PM on October 12, 2014 [7 favorites]
Wow, this season is off to a start.
So in this episode Carol covers herself with zombie guts at one point to keep from being detected. They did this during the first season at one point, as well, to great effect. Is there a good reason regarding why they don't do something like this more often? It's not like there's ever a lack of zombie guts, nor a lack of zombie hordes in unexpected places. Just an oversight in the continuity department?
posted by SpacemanStix at 11:02 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
So in this episode Carol covers herself with zombie guts at one point to keep from being detected. They did this during the first season at one point, as well, to great effect. Is there a good reason regarding why they don't do something like this more often? It's not like there's ever a lack of zombie guts, nor a lack of zombie hordes in unexpected places. Just an oversight in the continuity department?
posted by SpacemanStix at 11:02 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
After this episode, I'm also wondering how anyone is still looking to Rick for leadership. His hidden knife move was nothing compared to Carol taking down Terminus on her own.
I also wonder if we'll find out more of what Terminus was about? I feel like we have a rough idea, but whoa.
posted by quince at 11:04 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
I also wonder if we'll find out more of what Terminus was about? I feel like we have a rough idea, but whoa.
posted by quince at 11:04 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
Is there a good reason regarding why they don't do something like this more often?
It's very, very gross? Imagine the smell. You'd have to be pretty desperate/hardcore to tolerate it.
We've seen variations on the idea, though -- Michonne and her zombie pack mules / cover was basically the same principle.
posted by Jacqueline at 11:09 PM on October 12, 2014 [1 favorite]
It's very, very gross? Imagine the smell. You'd have to be pretty desperate/hardcore to tolerate it.
We've seen variations on the idea, though -- Michonne and her zombie pack mules / cover was basically the same principle.
posted by Jacqueline at 11:09 PM on October 12, 2014 [1 favorite]
Is there a good reason regarding why they don't do something like this more often?
There's all sorts of practical stuff we've seen them do, or seen them witness, that they should make standard practice but do not -- not just the guts camouflage, but using body armor, walkie-talkies, flare-guns to distract walkers -- that you just sort of have to accept as a precondition of the genre that they not do, like how zombies are groaning and stinking attention-magnets, unless they need to sneak up on somebody.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 11:48 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
There's all sorts of practical stuff we've seen them do, or seen them witness, that they should make standard practice but do not -- not just the guts camouflage, but using body armor, walkie-talkies, flare-guns to distract walkers -- that you just sort of have to accept as a precondition of the genre that they not do, like how zombies are groaning and stinking attention-magnets, unless they need to sneak up on somebody.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 11:48 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
Carol is awesome, but given how awesome she is, I find it weird that people are still listening to Rick when it comes time for the big decisions (like where do we go next).
Well, she did preemptively murder a couple of people for having the flu. She's really good at some things but I'd be wary of having her in a leadership role because she's a bit TOO pragmatic/utilitarian.
On moral issues, I'd take Rick* over Carol any day. I even agree with his impulse to kill all the Terminusators, burn it to the ground, and salt the earth -- otherwise, they'll just rebuild and lure in more victims. I'm disappointed that the group decided to forge on instead of finishing what they started and excising that cancer on the budding post-apocalypse society.
*Well, I'd rather take Hershel or my boy Dale, but sadly neither of them are options anymore. Perhaps Glenn will become the new voice of moral authority? "That's still who we are -- it's got to be."
posted by Jacqueline at 11:52 PM on October 12, 2014 [4 favorites]
Well, she did preemptively murder a couple of people for having the flu. She's really good at some things but I'd be wary of having her in a leadership role because she's a bit TOO pragmatic/utilitarian.
On moral issues, I'd take Rick* over Carol any day. I even agree with his impulse to kill all the Terminusators, burn it to the ground, and salt the earth -- otherwise, they'll just rebuild and lure in more victims. I'm disappointed that the group decided to forge on instead of finishing what they started and excising that cancer on the budding post-apocalypse society.
*Well, I'd rather take Hershel or my boy Dale, but sadly neither of them are options anymore. Perhaps Glenn will become the new voice of moral authority? "That's still who we are -- it's got to be."
posted by Jacqueline at 11:52 PM on October 12, 2014 [4 favorites]
I'm disappointed that the group decided to forge on instead of finishing what they started
I was hoping they'd go back and find wherever the other hostages were being kept.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 11:55 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
I was hoping they'd go back and find wherever the other hostages were being kept.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 11:55 PM on October 12, 2014 [2 favorites]
There's all sorts of practical stuff we've seen them do, or seen them witness, that they should make standard practice but do not...
If you have ever worked in an office with Baby Boomers who are just counting down the years to retirement then it should not surprise you that people sometimes don't immediately adopt the obviously more efficient and overall superior method of doing things.
So, take most people's natural resistance to change and then add in the cognitive impairment of severe and constantly increasing PTSD and it becomes a lot more understandable why the characters on the show don't do the things that we in our non-post-zombie-apocalyptic lives think should be obvious as seen from the vantage point of our comfortable couches and beds.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:03 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
If you have ever worked in an office with Baby Boomers who are just counting down the years to retirement then it should not surprise you that people sometimes don't immediately adopt the obviously more efficient and overall superior method of doing things.
So, take most people's natural resistance to change and then add in the cognitive impairment of severe and constantly increasing PTSD and it becomes a lot more understandable why the characters on the show don't do the things that we in our non-post-zombie-apocalyptic lives think should be obvious as seen from the vantage point of our comfortable couches and beds.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:03 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
Like, I frequently find myself screaming at the screen over their stupidity but when I stop and reflect on how most people in real life behave when they're constantly dealing with one crisis after another then I feel a lot more sympathetic to the characters despite their stupid decisions.
Think about someone in the real world who is dealing with grinding poverty, or ongoing abuse, or chronic mental or physical illness, and how they often seem to be making seemingly irrational decisions. When you examine their circumstances more closely and with more empathy, you realize that they're doing the best that they can given their stress load and resources. Now take that and multiply by at least 10 for the zombie apocalypse.
These people are so traumatized that they're probably literally brain damaged -- chronic elevated adrenaline and cortisol levels will fuck up your amygdala. They can't help but have knee-jerk emotional reactions to everything -- their rational sides don't even have a chance.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:17 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
Think about someone in the real world who is dealing with grinding poverty, or ongoing abuse, or chronic mental or physical illness, and how they often seem to be making seemingly irrational decisions. When you examine their circumstances more closely and with more empathy, you realize that they're doing the best that they can given their stress load and resources. Now take that and multiply by at least 10 for the zombie apocalypse.
These people are so traumatized that they're probably literally brain damaged -- chronic elevated adrenaline and cortisol levels will fuck up your amygdala. They can't help but have knee-jerk emotional reactions to everything -- their rational sides don't even have a chance.
posted by Jacqueline at 12:17 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
That was the most harrowing and beautiful thing I've ever seen on the internet.
posted by evil_esto at 1:17 AM on October 13, 2014
posted by evil_esto at 1:17 AM on October 13, 2014
My daughter and I were literally yelling "Carol power" into the screen..... I LOVE this character..... My teen daughter sees a strong woman who is taking care of business.... I really hope this continues....
posted by pearlybob at 1:29 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by pearlybob at 1:29 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
That opening in the slaughterhouse was brutal and unnecessary because you 're pretty sure none of the stars are going to die. So it felt incredibly gratuitous with no emotional payoff other than "ugh, why am I watching this show again?"
That said, seeing Carol in action was a thing of exquisite and singular beauty. All of the character's actions made sense, from the disgusted look on her face at Tyreese for not being ready to kill, to her careful zombieing up, the gathering of the crossbow with the watch and telling Rick he has to come see something, instead of telling him right off the bat. Watching all this as you consider where the character came, it 's pure joy to see the character fly.
That said, it's a bit odd to hear people championing her to be leader. As noted, she killed two of their own. That's not a leader to follow. Carol belongs right where she is in the group, high up on the list command wise, but not quite THE leader in the long term. She has a no nonsense practical outlook that the group absolutely needs to consider at times, but it's not something you want steering the boat all the time.
Speaking of the group, how awesome was it that everyone was improvising in the train car and down for fighting with whatever they could get their hands on. Yet it was brilliant that the Termites dropped a smoke bomb from above. They weren't exactly dumb either! Yet Rick still managed to land a punch or headbutt or something on one of them, hee hee.
While I don't mind the quick resolution to the Terminus storyline, I also wouldn't have minded a bit more about their background, say another episode. Not a big deal, though.
Poor Tyreese, still has issues. And Morgan! Welcome back, you crazy bastard!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:15 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
That said, seeing Carol in action was a thing of exquisite and singular beauty. All of the character's actions made sense, from the disgusted look on her face at Tyreese for not being ready to kill, to her careful zombieing up, the gathering of the crossbow with the watch and telling Rick he has to come see something, instead of telling him right off the bat. Watching all this as you consider where the character came, it 's pure joy to see the character fly.
That said, it's a bit odd to hear people championing her to be leader. As noted, she killed two of their own. That's not a leader to follow. Carol belongs right where she is in the group, high up on the list command wise, but not quite THE leader in the long term. She has a no nonsense practical outlook that the group absolutely needs to consider at times, but it's not something you want steering the boat all the time.
Speaking of the group, how awesome was it that everyone was improvising in the train car and down for fighting with whatever they could get their hands on. Yet it was brilliant that the Termites dropped a smoke bomb from above. They weren't exactly dumb either! Yet Rick still managed to land a punch or headbutt or something on one of them, hee hee.
While I don't mind the quick resolution to the Terminus storyline, I also wouldn't have minded a bit more about their background, say another episode. Not a big deal, though.
Poor Tyreese, still has issues. And Morgan! Welcome back, you crazy bastard!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:15 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
I feel like Carol does what needs to be done, but she doesn't get off on doing it. I.e., she will act to protect the group, even if at the cost of an immoral action. But she doesn't take pleasure in the actions, or do them out of revenge. I actually prefer this approach to Rick, who will only act when there's no other choice, usually at the cost of several group members dying. Rick is actually becoming more Carol-like (a long overdue development, imo), as seen by his wanting to go back and make sure that no one on Terminus is left alive to follow them. If I were a group member, I'd still go with Carol at this point, because I feel Rick is a bit of hothead. Carol feels less crazy to me, even as I'm aware of the fact that she'd probably kill me if I posed a real threat to the group.
posted by longdaysjourney at 4:27 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by longdaysjourney at 4:27 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
We'll be seeing the Butchers of Terminus again, I'm not sure why so many of you think we won't...
posted by entropicamericana at 6:13 AM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 6:13 AM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
So, I know this is a SHOW ONLY thread, but I just wanted to say that I find it really interesting, as a reader of the comics, that my favorite characters are Carol and Daryl, two characters that aren't in the comics at all. The writers have done such a good job with them that they almost completely outshine Michonne, who is by far my favorite character from the comics. They've definitely given her some nice development in the show as well, and I hope they continue to do so.
But, yeah, count me in with the "FUCK YEAH, CAROL!" yelling-at-the-TV cheer leading squad. Ever since Rick kicked her out of the group last season, I've been afraid that she was being written out of the show. And while last night was completely awesome, now I'm afraid that we've seen her arc come to a close and something terrible might happen.
posted by MsVader at 6:18 AM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
But, yeah, count me in with the "FUCK YEAH, CAROL!" yelling-at-the-TV cheer leading squad. Ever since Rick kicked her out of the group last season, I've been afraid that she was being written out of the show. And while last night was completely awesome, now I'm afraid that we've seen her arc come to a close and something terrible might happen.
posted by MsVader at 6:18 AM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
YES! CAROL! I loved her reunion with Daryl too.
Has Michonne lost her katana or was it buried with Rick's bag?
posted by astapasta24 at 6:29 AM on October 13, 2014
Has Michonne lost her katana or was it buried with Rick's bag?
posted by astapasta24 at 6:29 AM on October 13, 2014
Has Michonne lost her katana or was it buried with Rick's bag?
The Terminus people took it from her, IIRC.
posted by Jacqueline at 6:34 AM on October 13, 2014
The Terminus people took it from her, IIRC.
posted by Jacqueline at 6:34 AM on October 13, 2014
I thought it was kind of terrible for them to pack 2 flashbacks to the termites. Bit confusing that the guy Glenn lets out of the shipping container is the same (cleanshaven, but still with facial tats) guy in the second flashback. At the point of the second flashback those termite characters are dead, so who really cares about them, right? It's wrapping up their story with a narratively confusing bow.
Nice to see them bring that blonde guy (remember him and his girlfriend the day Carol got banished by Rick?) but that execution scene with the trough was probably one of the most brutal scenes ever shown on television.
posted by Catblack at 7:01 AM on October 13, 2014
Nice to see them bring that blonde guy (remember him and his girlfriend the day Carol got banished by Rick?) but that execution scene with the trough was probably one of the most brutal scenes ever shown on television.
posted by Catblack at 7:01 AM on October 13, 2014
Oh, and on the 'shows with strong women' front, there's obviously the bodice-ripping Outlander, but I've also caught the first episode of the canadian western 'Strange Empires' which features a few strong females. (You'll probably have to get past the lead's designer coat and leather pants though.)
posted by Catblack at 7:09 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Catblack at 7:09 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
Carol also got the best line: "We're friends of the chick with the sword and the kid with the hat." And at the end, telling Rick, no, the fire wasn't out yet was such a poignant little callback to Mika saying you could tell from the smoke color.
We didn't see Gareth die, so I have a feeling he'll be back sooner or later to create mischief, but I did enjoy his "banality of evil" bit with the shell counts and the inventory of who was from which container.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:12 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
We didn't see Gareth die, so I have a feeling he'll be back sooner or later to create mischief, but I did enjoy his "banality of evil" bit with the shell counts and the inventory of who was from which container.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:12 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
Also, it looks like my prediction last year about where Beth is was probably accurate.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:12 AM on October 13, 2014
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:12 AM on October 13, 2014
The Terminus people took it from her, IIRC.
For some reason, it really bothers me that she doesn't have it.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:13 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
For some reason, it really bothers me that she doesn't have it.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:13 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
Rick is actually becoming more Carol-like (a long overdue development, imo).
And more Shane-like.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:15 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
And more Shane-like.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:15 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
Gay would be pretty cool but given his apparent awkward interest in Beth, blushing virgin would be nice too.
I'm guessing it's more because he recognizes how very "unsuitable" (in pre-apocalypse terms) he is for Beth, social-class and agewise, but of course, all that has changed.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:20 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'm guessing it's more because he recognizes how very "unsuitable" (in pre-apocalypse terms) he is for Beth, social-class and agewise, but of course, all that has changed.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:20 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
I can't remember ever seeing a middle-aged woman kick so much ass on TV before.
Ugh, I can't believe I forgot Melinda May. I think it's because the actress really really really doesn't look her age (50!).
posted by Jacqueline at 7:28 AM on October 13, 2014
Ugh, I can't believe I forgot Melinda May. I think it's because the actress really really really doesn't look her age (50!).
posted by Jacqueline at 7:28 AM on October 13, 2014
Rick is actually becoming more Carol-like (a long overdue development, imo).
I'd disagree, especially if Rick is the one true leader, which thankfully doesn't seem to be case. The group needs Rick, but it needs him to be tempered by a Hershel (or hopefully Glen and Maggie in the future). Carol works as part of the group because she's a bit of a lone wolf type in what she does. Practicality is necessary and Carol is there for that, but it shouldn't be the sole guiding force.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:34 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
I'd disagree, especially if Rick is the one true leader, which thankfully doesn't seem to be case. The group needs Rick, but it needs him to be tempered by a Hershel (or hopefully Glen and Maggie in the future). Carol works as part of the group because she's a bit of a lone wolf type in what she does. Practicality is necessary and Carol is there for that, but it shouldn't be the sole guiding force.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:34 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
And more Shane-like.
Except Shane's utilitarianism was shaped (and perhaps caused) by his competition with Rick for Lori. And Rick's utilitarianism feels like a reaction to individuals (Shane, the Governor, now Garrett), not the situation. Carol's utilitarianism seems much more dispassionate, and that makes it feel more trustworthy to me. Maybe this is too fine a distinction to make. But I totally get why Glen recoiled after Rick said they were going back. I doubt I would have had the same reaction if Carol had been the one saying the same thing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:40 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
Except Shane's utilitarianism was shaped (and perhaps caused) by his competition with Rick for Lori. And Rick's utilitarianism feels like a reaction to individuals (Shane, the Governor, now Garrett), not the situation. Carol's utilitarianism seems much more dispassionate, and that makes it feel more trustworthy to me. Maybe this is too fine a distinction to make. But I totally get why Glen recoiled after Rick said they were going back. I doubt I would have had the same reaction if Carol had been the one saying the same thing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:40 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
That could be my favorite episode of this show, ever. So much awesome. Hard not to be awesome with near-nonstop action. The little breaks for dialogue and character building didn't feel like too much, as they can. And those reunions, yeah I teared up. But that closing bit, AFTER the credits? I love that character and his arc, so I yelled in triumph.
I think Show-Michonne and Comic-Michonne differ in some fundamental ways; I prefer the former, really.
posted by waraw at 7:58 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
I think Show-Michonne and Comic-Michonne differ in some fundamental ways; I prefer the former, really.
posted by waraw at 7:58 AM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
I think they did a great job with Terminus. I'd watch a whole spin-off series about it, actually, but I don't think they could have done the story justice within the constraints of another show; I liked having the half-awake details instead.
posted by Room 641-A at 10:25 AM on October 13, 2014
posted by Room 641-A at 10:25 AM on October 13, 2014
Oh man. This is by far my favorite episode of the show to date. I was on the edge of my seat for most of the episode, and when Carol blew up the gas tanker it was all I could do not to jump up and shout "YES!!!" at the screen - potentially waking the neighbors. Carol has come SO far since the first season, it's almost like a complete 180 degree transformation.
The reunions at the end (Daryl with Carol, and Rick with Judith) were so heart wrenching it was unbelievable.
I watched "Talking Dead" after the episode was over, and one of the guests (Gimple, I believe) referred to the actions of the Termites as "institutional evil" - the kind of evil that is all the more brutal because it doesn't occur to the Termites that anything is out of the ordinary. During the trough scene, when Gareth comes in with his clipboard and starts asking about shell counts while the slaughter is taking place, the whole atmosphere is almost one of "business as usual".
posted by Telpethoron at 10:31 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
The reunions at the end (Daryl with Carol, and Rick with Judith) were so heart wrenching it was unbelievable.
I watched "Talking Dead" after the episode was over, and one of the guests (Gimple, I believe) referred to the actions of the Termites as "institutional evil" - the kind of evil that is all the more brutal because it doesn't occur to the Termites that anything is out of the ordinary. During the trough scene, when Gareth comes in with his clipboard and starts asking about shell counts while the slaughter is taking place, the whole atmosphere is almost one of "business as usual".
posted by Telpethoron at 10:31 AM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
During the trough scene, when Gareth comes in with his clipboard and starts asking about shell counts while the slaughter is taking place, the whole atmosphere is almost one of "business as usual".
Yes, very Auschwitz-like in its dispassionate efficiency, which is why I don't think the highly visual brutality was gratuitous but was appropriate: a clean, well-appointed abbatoir. Gimple also said on Talking Dead that the cast members' first exposure to the "arterial deluge" mechanisms the crew had rigged up were during the shooting of the scene, so they were pretty much as freaked out as we were in their reactions.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:52 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
Yes, very Auschwitz-like in its dispassionate efficiency, which is why I don't think the highly visual brutality was gratuitous but was appropriate: a clean, well-appointed abbatoir. Gimple also said on Talking Dead that the cast members' first exposure to the "arterial deluge" mechanisms the crew had rigged up were during the shooting of the scene, so they were pretty much as freaked out as we were in their reactions.
posted by FelliniBlank at 10:52 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
I think Show-Michonne and Comic-Michonne differ in some fundamental ways; I prefer the former, really.
I was pretty down on Show-Michonne for a while, but I really warmed up to her once the writers started giving her an actual personality beyond "scowling sword-slash delivery system who doesn't trust anyone".
As for this episode...hell yeah! Carol was a woman with zero fucks to give and a whole load of guns. More of this, please, show.
Also, I kind of want her and Fet from The Strain to pair up and just go on an absolute and unrestrained undead-eradicating spree through the post-apocalyptic landscape.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 10:52 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
I was pretty down on Show-Michonne for a while, but I really warmed up to her once the writers started giving her an actual personality beyond "scowling sword-slash delivery system who doesn't trust anyone".
As for this episode...hell yeah! Carol was a woman with zero fucks to give and a whole load of guns. More of this, please, show.
Also, I kind of want her and Fet from The Strain to pair up and just go on an absolute and unrestrained undead-eradicating spree through the post-apocalyptic landscape.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 10:52 AM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
Five things you may have missed in the premiere
Best one: remember how Rick and company shot Gareth's brother last season in their attempted escape? That was his body on the butcher table about to be carved into meat.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:17 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
Best one: remember how Rick and company shot Gareth's brother last season in their attempted escape? That was his body on the butcher table about to be carved into meat.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:17 AM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
I would compare this episode to the Lost season finale (3 or 4 I think) when the castaways kicked the holy crap out of the Others. Tons of payoff and righteous ass-kicking and a high point in the series so far.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:19 AM on October 13, 2014
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:19 AM on October 13, 2014
Carol does what needs to be done, but she doesn't get off on doing it. I.e., she will act to protect the group, even if at the cost of an immoral action. But she doesn't take pleasure in the actions, or do them out of revenge.
I agree, and I found her to be an interesting juxtaposition to the Termites, which is why I think it was crucial that Carol was the one to save the day. The whole clipboard/butcher scene did a great job of showing that they were not sadists, but were essentially utilitarian, too. They slaughtered the victims but did not inflict pain needlessly. The flashbacks were devastating and showed how otherwise normal people can be driven to horrific acts that can be coldly rationalized for self-preservation.
To me, the Carol/Mary confrontation was a kind of mirror to an alternate reality, where you can see how different circumstances can create different kinds of monsters. That and the flashbacks invited some reflection on how our characters compare to where they began. Season 1 Carol would probably have thought Karen's murder to be utterly unthinkable and evil, and although a lot of viewers found her actions uncomfortable we understood them because we have watched her character grow and change. Without the flashbacks we would have seen the Termites as two-dimensional evil people; IMO, the flashbacks made them even more disturbing because, rather than being just cartoonish cannibals, they are a terrifying example of what our characters could become under brutal circumstances.
I thought the writing was brilliant. I have a lot of thoughts that are still swirling around in my head that I need some time to unpack.
posted by gatorae at 1:22 PM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
I agree, and I found her to be an interesting juxtaposition to the Termites, which is why I think it was crucial that Carol was the one to save the day. The whole clipboard/butcher scene did a great job of showing that they were not sadists, but were essentially utilitarian, too. They slaughtered the victims but did not inflict pain needlessly. The flashbacks were devastating and showed how otherwise normal people can be driven to horrific acts that can be coldly rationalized for self-preservation.
To me, the Carol/Mary confrontation was a kind of mirror to an alternate reality, where you can see how different circumstances can create different kinds of monsters. That and the flashbacks invited some reflection on how our characters compare to where they began. Season 1 Carol would probably have thought Karen's murder to be utterly unthinkable and evil, and although a lot of viewers found her actions uncomfortable we understood them because we have watched her character grow and change. Without the flashbacks we would have seen the Termites as two-dimensional evil people; IMO, the flashbacks made them even more disturbing because, rather than being just cartoonish cannibals, they are a terrifying example of what our characters could become under brutal circumstances.
I thought the writing was brilliant. I have a lot of thoughts that are still swirling around in my head that I need some time to unpack.
posted by gatorae at 1:22 PM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
I mean, Mary as much as said that to Carol, right? "You could have been one of us!"
Also, a small request. I'm in a non-US country so my ability to watch WD is a delayed, meaning the Fanfare thread goes up several hours before it's possible for me to watch. Can we stick with the generic plot summaries yoinked from AMC's site or IMDB or whatever on the front page, so I and others who aren't watching live aren't spoiled while just browsing the Fanfare main page?
posted by olinerd at 2:16 PM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
Also, a small request. I'm in a non-US country so my ability to watch WD is a delayed, meaning the Fanfare thread goes up several hours before it's possible for me to watch. Can we stick with the generic plot summaries yoinked from AMC's site or IMDB or whatever on the front page, so I and others who aren't watching live aren't spoiled while just browsing the Fanfare main page?
posted by olinerd at 2:16 PM on October 13, 2014 [1 favorite]
...spoiled while just browsing the Fanfare main page?
That's what the Hide Post Descriptions feature is for.
posted by Jacqueline at 2:27 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
That's what the Hide Post Descriptions feature is for.
posted by Jacqueline at 2:27 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
That's what the Hide Post Descriptions feature is for.
That's not what was asked and I'd encourage you to take the request to heart, as your plot summary was not great for this episode.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:07 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
That's not what was asked and I'd encourage you to take the request to heart, as your plot summary was not great for this episode.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:07 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
By "not great," I mean it specifically gave away what was occurring in the episode. If the studios are taking the time and care to refrain from doing so, it's probably a good idea to follow their lead in this one area.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:08 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:08 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
How about "The people at Terminus have a blast while having some old friends for dinner?"
posted by entropicamericana at 3:20 PM on October 13, 2014 [9 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 3:20 PM on October 13, 2014 [9 favorites]
It's cute, snarky and factually incorrect, so maybe not.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:28 PM on October 13, 2014
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:28 PM on October 13, 2014
Um, did you miss Alex's appearance in this episode?
posted by entropicamericana at 3:32 PM on October 13, 2014
posted by entropicamericana at 3:32 PM on October 13, 2014
Um, did you miss that Alex was in the prep area only, not on the table?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:37 PM on October 13, 2014
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:37 PM on October 13, 2014
Point of order: The prep area was a table.
posted by Sys Rq at 3:39 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by Sys Rq at 3:39 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
You seem a little touchy. What's eating you, Brandon?
posted by entropicamericana at 3:39 PM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 3:39 PM on October 13, 2014 [5 favorites]
Point of order: The prep area was a table.
Hee hee, touche. Ok, it wasn't a dining table. With utensils and shit.
Is that how people were served? Or was it buffet style?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:42 PM on October 13, 2014
Hee hee, touche. Ok, it wasn't a dining table. With utensils and shit.
Is that how people were served? Or was it buffet style?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:42 PM on October 13, 2014
Poor Tyreese, still has issues.
Tyreese may have his issues but when push comes to shove he always gets the job done. Even when that means taking out a whole pack of zombies with his bare hands and a fence post. Or a whole mob of zombies with a claw hammer. I could even see him growing into the next group leader, if something happened to Rick. All he needs to do is not die.
posted by mstokes650 at 3:47 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
Tyreese may have his issues but when push comes to shove he always gets the job done. Even when that means taking out a whole pack of zombies with his bare hands and a fence post. Or a whole mob of zombies with a claw hammer. I could even see him growing into the next group leader, if something happened to Rick. All he needs to do is not die.
posted by mstokes650 at 3:47 PM on October 13, 2014 [3 favorites]
Is that how people were served? Or was it buffet style?
We already saw that they were BBQed.
posted by Jacqueline at 3:47 PM on October 13, 2014
We already saw that they were BBQed.
posted by Jacqueline at 3:47 PM on October 13, 2014
Yeah, but Carolinas or Memphis style?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:49 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:49 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
Yeah, but Carolinas or Memphis style?
Carolinas, of course. Anything else would be uncivilized.
posted by Telpethoron at 4:55 PM on October 13, 2014
Carolinas, of course. Anything else would be uncivilized.
posted by Telpethoron at 4:55 PM on October 13, 2014
CAROL!!! I love Carol's story arc. I love that this show FINALLY has strong female characters, after the first 3 seasons of women basically doing nothing. This episode was great for that reason and also because of flaming zombies.
posted by Librarypt at 5:21 PM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by Librarypt at 5:21 PM on October 13, 2014 [4 favorites]
All he needs to do is not die.
Hey, we've got THREE black guys on the show now! Maybe they actually took all the fan complaints about how they treated their token black guys to heart this season.
posted by Jacqueline at 6:15 PM on October 13, 2014 [6 favorites]
Hey, we've got THREE black guys on the show now! Maybe they actually took all the fan complaints about how they treated their token black guys to heart this season.
posted by Jacqueline at 6:15 PM on October 13, 2014 [6 favorites]
Look, I am probably alone in this but I feel like the show establishes a moral compass character every season.
S1: Rick
S2: Dale
S3: Andrea
S4: Hershel
S5: Tyreese
All of those characters died after their runs as the voice of "reconciliation" and maintaining order/society/compromising with the enemies within the new caste system of TWD's universe, the only exception being (obviously!) Rick. He is, after all, the main protagonist.
Tyreese, I'm worried about you. Such a good character with potential, I hope they don't do him dirty like they did poor Andrea.
Show!Andrea got screwed up in translation from the source material, IMO. Show!Carol seems to be getting the badass traits and survival skills that are associated with Comic!Andrea (in my mind, anyway).
Baby Judith really is the most likely major character death this season, but I doubt they'll stop there.
Holy shit, can you imagine knowing you were eating tainted human meat? Talk about the banality of evil. Appetite suppressant like whoa. *vomits*
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:39 PM on October 13, 2014
S1: Rick
S2: Dale
S3: Andrea
S4: Hershel
S5: Tyreese
All of those characters died after their runs as the voice of "reconciliation" and maintaining order/society/compromising with the enemies within the new caste system of TWD's universe, the only exception being (obviously!) Rick. He is, after all, the main protagonist.
Tyreese, I'm worried about you. Such a good character with potential, I hope they don't do him dirty like they did poor Andrea.
Show!Andrea got screwed up in translation from the source material, IMO. Show!Carol seems to be getting the badass traits and survival skills that are associated with Comic!Andrea (in my mind, anyway).
Baby Judith really is the most likely major character death this season, but I doubt they'll stop there.
Holy shit, can you imagine knowing you were eating tainted human meat? Talk about the banality of evil. Appetite suppressant like whoa. *vomits*
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 8:39 PM on October 13, 2014
Technically speaking, since everyone is infected with the virus, isn't it all tainted meat?
posted by entropicamericana at 10:25 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 10:25 PM on October 13, 2014 [2 favorites]
rather than being just cartoonish cannibals
See, I thought I detected some sadism. "We can get messy for a while, but we need to dial it back by sundown," the knife-to-the-eyeball bit, the gratuitous smirking.
posted by Rat Spatula at 11:03 PM on October 13, 2014
See, I thought I detected some sadism. "We can get messy for a while, but we need to dial it back by sundown," the knife-to-the-eyeball bit, the gratuitous smirking.
posted by Rat Spatula at 11:03 PM on October 13, 2014
Entropicamericana: exactly. Only non-human meat is not tainted, so why choose it? Seems like a shortlived and stupidly dangerous option.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 5:48 AM on October 14, 2014
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 5:48 AM on October 14, 2014
Another That Guy observation after a re-watch last night. What sort of leverage did Gareth really think he had over Rick when we was threatening Bob with the knife? Tell me what it's in the bag or I will kill your friend even more dead? (Okay, maybe once he shifted the knife to Bob's eye, there was the implication of torture, but Gareth's knife started off at Bob's neck.) Stupid hipster.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:32 AM on October 14, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 7:32 AM on October 14, 2014 [4 favorites]
Interesting trivia:
The way I understand it, Melissa McBride, who plays Carol came to the role in an interesting way. When Frank Darabont was shooting The Mist, he realized that McBride, one of the casting directors he was talking to in search of actors, was a better fit for one of the roles than any of the actors he'd seen. She hadn't acted much since 2000, but gladly took the role. Then, when Darabont was casting The Walking Dead, he came upon Carol, a role he thought was going to be hard to cast. Flipping through a list of casting directors reminded him of McBride, so he called her up and brought her in for the part.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:59 AM on October 14, 2014 [6 favorites]
The way I understand it, Melissa McBride, who plays Carol came to the role in an interesting way. When Frank Darabont was shooting The Mist, he realized that McBride, one of the casting directors he was talking to in search of actors, was a better fit for one of the roles than any of the actors he'd seen. She hadn't acted much since 2000, but gladly took the role. Then, when Darabont was casting The Walking Dead, he came upon Carol, a role he thought was going to be hard to cast. Flipping through a list of casting directors reminded him of McBride, so he called her up and brought her in for the part.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:59 AM on October 14, 2014 [6 favorites]
I can't imagine them all traipsing off merrily to DC, never to return to Terminus - Beth might still be alive at Terminus and Maggie and Glen would want to go find her. Plus Michonne's katana is totemic, like Darryl's crossbow. Even if the character was willing to walk away from it, the show writers would find a way to work it back in.
And aren't there some interactions with Gareth in the season trailer that weren't in the episode?
posted by natteringnabob at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2014 [2 favorites]
And aren't there some interactions with Gareth in the season trailer that weren't in the episode?
posted by natteringnabob at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2014 [2 favorites]
I can't believe no one has mentioned Wonder-Mullet's bit about weaponized diseases and fighting fire with fire. I haven't read the comics, so I am still not convinced that he's legit. But Abraham seems to be. Are we going to get more of his story and clues as to whether or not he's a con-job or there is an actual cure/solution to this zombie^H^H^H^H^H^H walker problem?
posted by Thistledown at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by Thistledown at 10:58 AM on October 14, 2014 [1 favorite]
While I love Carol's work this episode, I am annoyed that she didn't pick up the katana (not that I saw it lying around or anything but to her it should have been obvious). Although I do agree with natteringnabob that we will see it come back at some point this season.
posted by LizBoBiz at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2014
posted by LizBoBiz at 11:11 AM on October 14, 2014
And aren't there some interactions with Gareth in the season trailer that weren't in the episode?
Yes, but that's fairly typical these days, so I wouldn't put any stock in that. What I would put stock in is Rick's comment about killing him with the red handled machete. That didn't happen in this episode, so Gareth will probably be back.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:00 PM on October 14, 2014 [4 favorites]
Yes, but that's fairly typical these days, so I wouldn't put any stock in that. What I would put stock in is Rick's comment about killing him with the red handled machete. That didn't happen in this episode, so Gareth will probably be back.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:00 PM on October 14, 2014 [4 favorites]
Only non-human meat is not tainted, so why choose it? Seems like a shortlived and stupidly dangerous option.
Everybody already is carrying the zombie virus, which makes them turn after they die of other causes, so eating the meat of dead people won't make that any worse than it already is. Only the people who get bit or scratched by walkers (like Andrea) develop the acute, feverish, kills-you-soon type symptoms, so eating human meat won't make that happen, as is apparent from the Termites, who have been cannibalizing people for some time without any apparent ill effects.
posted by FelliniBlank at 1:00 PM on October 14, 2014 [3 favorites]
Everybody already is carrying the zombie virus, which makes them turn after they die of other causes, so eating the meat of dead people won't make that any worse than it already is. Only the people who get bit or scratched by walkers (like Andrea) develop the acute, feverish, kills-you-soon type symptoms, so eating human meat won't make that happen, as is apparent from the Termites, who have been cannibalizing people for some time without any apparent ill effects.
posted by FelliniBlank at 1:00 PM on October 14, 2014 [3 favorites]
I thought it was kind of terrible for them to pack 2 flashbacks to the termites. Bit confusing that the guy Glenn lets out of the shipping container is the same (cleanshaven, but still with facial tats) guy in the second flashback. At the point of the second flashback those termite characters are dead, so who really cares about them, right? It's wrapping up their story with a narratively confusing bow.
The idea is to show that he's one of the invaders who took over Terminus & turned the Swiss family Robinson into the Donner party. The implication is they returned the favor by keeping him alive so they could continue to torture him.
posted by scalefree at 5:59 PM on October 14, 2014 [2 favorites]
The idea is to show that he's one of the invaders who took over Terminus & turned the Swiss family Robinson into the Donner party. The implication is they returned the favor by keeping him alive so they could continue to torture him.
posted by scalefree at 5:59 PM on October 14, 2014 [2 favorites]
I'm okay with Carol leaving the katana on the table if it means Michonne now gets to fight with an artisan pike, thereby proving that two pointy ends are better than one. I suspect it will turn up, though, to provide Gareth with the appropriately foreshadowed comeuppance.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:39 PM on October 14, 2014
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:39 PM on October 14, 2014
I'm sad the katana is gone. It's like Sweeney Todd without his razor.
"At last -- my right arm is complete again!"
posted by potsmokinghippieoverlord at 1:21 AM on October 16, 2014 [1 favorite]
"At last -- my right arm is complete again!"
posted by potsmokinghippieoverlord at 1:21 AM on October 16, 2014 [1 favorite]
Here's the storyboards of Carol attacking Terminus. Interesting look at some of the staging and gear the camera people would use to get those great shots.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:56 AM on October 16, 2014
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:56 AM on October 16, 2014
Catblack: that execution scene with the trough was probably one of the most brutal scenes ever shown on television.
Interesting. Maybe because I watch most of my video media via Netflix and Amazon streams, I don't mentally draw the line between "this was on TV" and "this was a movie," but it seemed very orderly, given the fact they knocked the people out first and then slit their throats into a trough. Really, it seemed like a literal slaughterhouse, which is vivid, but seems brutal only because we're separated from that reality when we think of our meat (and also separated from the notion that people are meat, too).
olinerd: Can we stick with the generic plot summaries yoinked from AMC's site or IMDB or whatever on the front page, so I and others who aren't watching live aren't spoiled while just browsing the Fanfare main page?
Jacqueline: That's what the Hide Post Descriptions feature is for.
The summary is accurate, but also something I was hoping to not see ahead of the episode, but that's what I get for reading anything online before watching the episode. Still, I rather like entropicamericana's suggestion: "The people at Terminus have a blast while having some old friends for dinner"
posted by filthy light thief at 12:56 PM on October 16, 2014 [1 favorite]
Interesting. Maybe because I watch most of my video media via Netflix and Amazon streams, I don't mentally draw the line between "this was on TV" and "this was a movie," but it seemed very orderly, given the fact they knocked the people out first and then slit their throats into a trough. Really, it seemed like a literal slaughterhouse, which is vivid, but seems brutal only because we're separated from that reality when we think of our meat (and also separated from the notion that people are meat, too).
olinerd: Can we stick with the generic plot summaries yoinked from AMC's site or IMDB or whatever on the front page, so I and others who aren't watching live aren't spoiled while just browsing the Fanfare main page?
Jacqueline: That's what the Hide Post Descriptions feature is for.
The summary is accurate, but also something I was hoping to not see ahead of the episode, but that's what I get for reading anything online before watching the episode. Still, I rather like entropicamericana's suggestion: "The people at Terminus have a blast while having some old friends for dinner"
posted by filthy light thief at 12:56 PM on October 16, 2014 [1 favorite]
I agree that Wonder-Mullet (great name, btw) is full of shit. His story just seems fishy to me.
posted by potsmokinghippieoverlord at 5:39 PM on October 17, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by potsmokinghippieoverlord at 5:39 PM on October 17, 2014 [2 favorites]
No, I don't think that was Andrea. I think they would have given her a proper burial and if she hadn't shot herself in the brain properly then I think she would have turned before they finished doing that.
posted by Jacqueline at 8:12 PM on October 18, 2014
posted by Jacqueline at 8:12 PM on October 18, 2014
Send a tweet to Chris Hardwick and ask him to find out on the next Talking Dead.
posted by Room 641-A at 8:48 PM on October 18, 2014
posted by Room 641-A at 8:48 PM on October 18, 2014
So was that Zombie Andrea or not?
Andrea was in her bare feet before she got captured and strapped to the chair where she died. That zombie had boots on.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:36 PM on October 18, 2014
Andrea was in her bare feet before she got captured and strapped to the chair where she died. That zombie had boots on.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:36 PM on October 18, 2014
So I've been binge-watching TWD these past few weeks with my husband from season 1 and finally caught up last night. On the whole I enjoy the show for what it is, but if I had to make one complaint it would be that there is only ONE Asian character during the entire series, so when Glenn nearly died from the flu in season 4 I was on the edge of my seat. And I've been looking at the zombies, too... c'mon, not even one, even undead? I know it's set in the backwoods in Georgia or thereabouts but really?
posted by misozaki at 3:22 PM on October 26, 2014
posted by misozaki at 3:22 PM on October 26, 2014
If rural Georgia is anything like rural Virginia (where I live), there really aren't any Asian people. My zip code is less than 0.5% Asian last I checked.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:33 PM on October 27, 2014
posted by Jacqueline at 7:33 PM on October 27, 2014
Hey, Jacqueline, I just noticed your comment because I didn't think anyone would be reading anymore!
I was commenting in the Season 1 rewatch thread about this just now. I grew up in Mississippi in the '80s, actually, and had many Vietnamese friends even back then, so maybe the lack of Asian characters really stands out for me.
posted by misozaki at 12:37 AM on November 13, 2014
I was commenting in the Season 1 rewatch thread about this just now. I grew up in Mississippi in the '80s, actually, and had many Vietnamese friends even back then, so maybe the lack of Asian characters really stands out for me.
posted by misozaki at 12:37 AM on November 13, 2014
I have the worst timing, I binge through the first four just in time that s5e1 was taken down. Everywhere. (well too cheap to buy on amzon:) Finally found one on a Vietnamese subtitle site. Not being spoiler averse I'd read a bit but just could not think what Carol could have managed, then when she blew the gas tank, woo!
posted by sammyo at 9:16 AM on November 15, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by sammyo at 9:16 AM on November 15, 2014 [1 favorite]
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If I were 1% as awesome as Carol, I would be 1000 times more awesome than I am now.
I fucking love her character arc. Remember back in season 1 when she was a meek battered housewife???
posted by Jacqueline at 9:37 PM on October 12, 2014 [13 favorites]