The Flash: Therefore She Is
May 1, 2018 7:14 PM - Season 4, Episode 20 - Subscribe

Barry and Team Flash team up with Gypsy to try to thwart Thinker's plan. Meanwhile, Cisco and Gypsy have a heart-to-heart talk about their relationship.
posted by oh yeah! (12 comments total)
 
I'd really like to get a season of an Arrowverse show where the entire season isn't about some villain who is one step ahead of the heroes at all times. It's really boring at this point.
posted by runcibleshaw at 11:37 PM on May 1, 2018 [10 favorites]


I'd really like to get a season of an Arrowverse show where the entire season isn't about some villain who is one step ahead of the heroes at all times.

Right? Or too personally powerful to attack directly under any circumstances. I'd like an archnemesis with some freaking henchman and an incentive to scheme.

It's even worse because they're not even showing any work at this point: how was DeVoe supposed to know what was going on on Earth-X in real time during Fury Rogue? I didn't catch a wall of interdimensional security monitors in his hideout. How *is* he blocking vibing attempts?

The other thing that's killing me this season is that DeVoe himself is a joyless black hole of unfun. Nothing he does is cool or interesting or... anything but horrible for its own sake, and getting increasingly difficult to watch.

(Part of what made S1 pop is that Wells-Thawne was *hilarious*, and they keep moving away from that every season. Zoom is less fun than Thawne, Savitar is less fun than Zoom and DeVoe is just the actual worst.)
posted by mordax at 7:32 AM on May 2, 2018 [4 favorites]


I'd like an archnemesis with some freaking henchman and an incentive to scheme.

We really missed out when they didn't bring the Rogues in as a season-long nemesis group. Captain Cold, Heat Wave, Mirror Master, and (original recipe) Trickster all teamed up to have a go at looting Central City would have been amazing, but Cold and Heat spun off into Legends and became heroes, Mirror Master isn't as likeable, and Trickster is probably too big a guest star to get for a whole season. *sigh*, what could have been...

As for this episode, at least now we know that DeVoe has been an abusive jerk all along and that it wasn't his powers that corrupted him. That finishes off any little lingering sympathy I may have had for his situation. I want Marlize to team up with Team Flash and kick his ass. Poetic justice would be that his Enlightenment ends up being used on himself so that he alone becomes a mental vegetable.

The Breacher/Gypsy subplot needed to go; it wore out its welcome long ago. These characters need to find love in their own universes. Long distance never works!
posted by Servo5678 at 9:30 AM on May 2, 2018 [3 favorites]


Poetic justice would be that his Enlightenment ends up being used on himself so that he alone becomes a mental vegetable.

now that we know what he's plotting I'm betting that's how he's going to go out.
posted by numaner at 7:23 PM on May 2, 2018 [1 favorite]


When DeVoe made that comment about how the elasticity of his new Dibney body's cells could store so much information, I figure that means it will turn out that Ralph's personality is still in there somewhere, and he'll regain control after DeVoe is somehow purged.
posted by oh yeah! at 7:52 PM on May 2, 2018 [2 favorites]


I figure that means it will turn out that Ralph's personality is still in there somewhere, and he'll regain control after DeVoe is somehow purged.

Yeah, that stuck out to me too.
posted by mordax at 9:11 PM on May 2, 2018


I don't usually comment on The Flash because I only watch sporadically (my husband watches consistently and I pay varying amounts of attention) but JESUS CHRIST WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER STORY WHERE A SMART WOMAN FALLS IN LOVE WITH A MAN BECAUSE HE IS RUDE TO HER. OH MY GOD. When she said "No one has ever challenged me like that before " I was like "LOL GUYS SHE IS A WOMAN IN ACADEMIA LITERALLY EVERYONE CHALLENGES HER ALL THE TIME." If he'd made her think about something in a different way or asked a question that blew her mind or made a brilliant point and she'd said "people challenge me all the time but I can always dismiss them whereas I feel like you are an intellectual peer" I would have been like "okay, cool, let's stick with this lazily obvious love story" but noooooooooooooooooooooooo it had to be SO LAZY that THE BRILLIANT WOMAN is just BOWLED OVER AND CHARMED by the FUCKING SMUG ASSHOLE WITH NO MANNERS WHO SAYS SOMETHING DOUCHEY TO HER AT HER JOB IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 6:35 AM on May 3, 2018 [9 favorites]


DeVoe also cracked a Dibny-like nervous joke, I think during the first robbery (not watching again to find the exact scene/quote), that made me think Ralph is still in there fighting to get out.

Where did DeVoe zap Barry to during the dock fight? Watching on the CW website it felt like part of a scene was cut. One second Barry is in a cold, dark, place which I initially assumed was a pocket dimension. But then he is instantly back at the dock asking Cisco and Gypsy "what job?" before cutting to commercial. When they come back everyone is at S.T.A.R. Labs with Barry acting like a manic couples counselor. For several minutes I was expecting there to be a reveal that Barry was sent to a parallel earth and returned with an altered personality so it was a disappointment that manic counselor Barry was just a plot device.
posted by plastic_animals at 7:18 AM on May 3, 2018


I second the "love story" about an abusive guy and the "challenge" bullshit. Gaaaawd.

"(Part of what made S1 pop is that Wells-Thawne was *hilarious*, and they keep moving away from that every season. Zoom is less fun than Thawne, Savitar is less fun than Zoom and DeVoe is just the actual worst.)"

Until next season. They'll find someone more boring!
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:33 AM on May 3, 2018 [1 favorite]


Where did DeVoe zap Barry to during the dock fight?

I assumed somewhere in the arctic or antarctic given the snow and aurora in the background. Barry just shows up. I think we're supposed to assume he ran back.
posted by runcibleshaw at 8:10 AM on May 3, 2018 [3 favorites]


JESUS CHRIST WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER STORY WHERE A SMART WOMAN FALLS IN LOVE WITH A MAN BECAUSE HE IS RUDE TO HER. OH MY GOD.

This is a very good thing to shout about, and I must endorse it with more than a favorite.

Until next season. They'll find someone more boring!

Man, I hope not. At this point, I really am down to just sunk cost fallacy fueling my viewership.
posted by mordax at 10:42 AM on May 3, 2018 [4 favorites]


With insightful comments like that, Mrs.Pterodactyl, please feel free to jump into these discussions a bit more, even if you're only a casual viewer.

Maybe if we all scream about these kinds of problems loudly enough the show producers will get wind of them and stop shoving this kind of crap at us. (Yeah, I know, wishful thinking.)
posted by sardonyx at 4:57 PM on May 3, 2018 [1 favorite]


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